from the trumpeter, as it was wounded, there were also security forces from the structures of the ministry of internal affairs in the interest of this goethe's transitional cabinet , such as the minister of defense, the minister for the 13th case . principles, what will you change, but the horizon of money is worthless. i am sure they are very small, this is the same situation with honey. here i am uzhhorod in poland, because it is not safe in belarus because four of my colleagues , naked editors, are behind bars, and in gogol an example of 30 journalists in belarus detained well, naturally, the influence that we exchanged hours there is no maksym paranets zupliom that we have this pir alina with attract listen although for this it is possible to keep it will give seven years of deprivation of liberty here a-a they drag us out of hearing but they took away this protest ion hid and

he went to the internet. you have such partisan movements, which we have seen for a long time. ties there with damage to the rails and so on . to eat at least until today evening, and now we have an announcement, yes, please, it is very important that we have an interactive today at 4:40 p.m. we will start an interactive with mykola verst, where he traditionally answers your questions and comments and very actively epic, sometimes with sarcasm, comments on everything you you know, i'm a serious person, you can't do tv on facebook, write to us there in the comments or on youtube, espresso.tv, in the live chat, i

follow everything you write, and now let 's find out what's happening on i hope we already have the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant ms. olena pareniuk, senior research associate of the institute of nuclear power plant safety problems of the national academy of sciences of ukraine. good health, ms. olena, so i will now try to calm everyone down, unlike the officials of ukraine who scare everyone and the europeans, well, the truth a european is not very afraid, look at mrs. olena, that's the kind of question i ask him all the time, and he always says that i'm wrong, but i could be ready to be stubborn further. that's what my father says i was involved in chernobyl quite actively, i was peeking in there , eavesdropping on something, and if i had finally learned that, especially after chernobyl, what are the

chances of undermining ukraine from the outside, making some moves from the inside and bringing things to an explosion well, they are almost zero, they are not zero, but they are very, very close to zero, there are some the conversation went on. what is the biggest plane in the world to send to any ukrainian nuclear power station, nothing will happen. well, there will be an explosion , yes, and that's all, but a nuclear reaction will not start . ukrainian officials or mykola veresen, who says that there is indeed a probability, but it is not that karaul karaul karaul nightmare nightmare nightmare well, as the classics said - it's horror but not horror horror ah , that is, indeed, nuclear power plants are very safe, very protected after chernobyl

safety technology increased a lot after fukushima. it increased even more, and what's more, every year we have many nuclear reactors around the world, certain incidents occur, and they can be mainly design-related, that is, those that, well, certain planned and after each incident, the magadade revises the entire security strategy if the incident has something to teach us a-a new recommendations are published that i must have for the adoption of the nuclear power plant a-a so really blow up the nuclear reactor of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant so that nuclear the reaction is not impossible, but it is very difficult, that is, one must have a certain knack , talent, inspiration, time and knowledge, but there are other dangers, and they cannot be neglected, because, for example, now a lot of specialists

say that the possibility of scenarios is a focus when the electricity consumption of the power grid, which is connected to the zaporizhzhya npp, will be completely cut off, this means that there will be no electricity to cool the power to the pumps that will pump the water that cools the reactor itself -e active zone it can melt eh, well, actually, the emission of radionuclides will begin and that is what was in the focus, that is, no, the raptor will not explode most likely, but neither the station nor the occupants will be healthy. and there is nothing like that remote or even i would yes, i understood, i didn’t ask. maybe the world will see this story with zaporizhzhia and start thinking about how to manage somehow, to make such an extrinsicity

to manage, to give the opportunity to the megalomaniac to manage from the outside , which, relatively speaking, if some moron entered someone else’s territory like putin and does something there with nuclear power plant, uncle is sitting in the store or there is a symposium, uncle and aunt know me here, there is always a problem. well, what do they say, they press the button? well, i will mix it up, but they just make such an option that it, er, stops the story and just it is impossible to continue to operate and operate it, but it is also impossible to have an accident at this power plant , first of all, it is a bad idea. that is, you cannot just click something on the phone and your vacuum cleaner will start. no, it does not work like that. because the npp is a complex system of secondly, each nuclear power plant belongs to the organization of the generator, that is, the organization that

operates this nuclear power plant, and each nuclear power plant has its own technological processes, and there is a certain specificity of management. that is, why, including rosatom, cannot manage the zaporizhzhia npp because the operators do not know the specifics of the work of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant and the ukrainians well, they don’t want to share what is logical maybe in the future well, it’s impossible in zaporizhzhia, this will not help anything, and that is, i apologize, what can we do now, because, well, we can not just sit and wait, or whether they will fall or not , unfortunately, there are no such mechanisms, that is, the

maximum that ukraine can do is to withdraw a license for power units, i.e. not to allow more power units. well, let's say to generate power and provide electricity to our network, but uh, so what ? well, we will say ay-ay-ay. the question was discussed, the question was discussed about why all six power units were not turned off back in march, when the russian army actually approached the nuclear power plant, the thing is that nuclear reactors are more stable when they operate at their design capacity, that is, they reach some a certain power and i work there for this, there is a fairly stable history in order to turn it off, that is, to cool down the reactor eh, it needs to be done eh it takes a long time, it needs to be done in several steps

, several stages, and at that time there was simply no time, that is, if you start to stop reactor and here you are being shot at and here you do not know what is happening, that is, an unstable situation from the outside and from the inside. it would be much more dangerous than continuing to operate them as they actually worked, so the operators did everything right and in march, and after the station was captured ah, hmm, again, it’s a long process, it’s not just one button, that is, it’s not just lc-5, you pressed and that’s it , that is, it’s a long process, the staff has to uh, take certain actions and i don’t i think it’s possible to do it, well, it’s the right project. when an uncle with a machine gun is standing over you, he says he doesn’t turn off the station. look at the station. what else does it mean technologically? well, it’s hard to believe everything, although since february 24, ukrainians believe that there are enough clinical idiots in russia,

so it’s not technological. and not a military one can do that assume i understand that i may not be right because he is not a political scientist, and you are more of a technologist yes and oh, i generally look, but then it is politics that putin does, it has nothing to do with technology, let's say, yes, and it has something to do with blackmail there is an opinion, that is, he wants to do something. well, many experts say that he wants to aggravate the situation, that everyone, since he has a bad situation near kherson, he just wants to calm down the ukrainian troops and make an appeasement, so the whole world will say oh-oh-oh atomic station, let's negotiate, let's

negotiate, let's not allow a new focus, namely a new chernobyl, and no matter how good it is for putin, you keep this option in your head, because it doesn't appear from your words that it's something other than what i say it is a political problem, a problem of blackmail exclusively of the political field. yes, of course, this is a problem of blackmailing the political field, because this is my personal point of view, yes. that is, i do not represent any official organization now, but here he threatened the whole world with nuclear weapons, the whole world is like this hmm okay, that is, we heard, i heard you, i understood everything, everyone understood everything, and nothing happened , that is, ukraine did not capitulate, and our western partners did not stop supplying us with weapons. we continue in the same spirit.

bet well, in fact, it continues. the same story that happened with nuclear weapons. it's just nuclear blackmail , because all the specialists, and there are conscious people, understand that the accident at the nuclear power plant is serious, everyone saw it, and chernobyl focused and and even if specialists say that no, well, it is very difficult, it is not so easy to do, but it is still scary. and this cannot be allowed, because nuclear peaceful atoms, like nuclear weapons, are not toys for some people mad dictators who want to subjugate the whole world or some part of the world, that is why this is nuclear blackmail and it is a game of stability, i.e. who is standing and who will be more stable, we even discussed with colleagues that this is such a good mechanism to force kyiv is full

capitulation, or at least to the point of leaving the situation, that is, the front in the place where it is now, and actually forcing ukraine to agree to the annexation of these territories that are now occupied, but again, i do not have any i don’t know how it actually happens. i also don’t have any relationship with a very wealthy person, but i can know. i know approximately. if he was sitting here somewhere, i know what he would say. we discussed it with vitaly. the portico is still there. i don’t know. in the city, three because even if there is a nuclear attack on ukraine will not change the situation at the front, no ukrainian will run away , nothing will happen, there will be victims, honestly, 100,000 people may die, but instead of them, another hundred thousand, maybe 200, will come and they will continue to fight, so i think that putin well, that 's about psychology, let's not talk about psychology.

let's leave it alone about radionuclides, about the fact that you don't need to drink iodine, because in fact , really, that is, what will i discuss about high politics, if i'm not a politician? let's go then finally, if god forbid this psycho putin finally say it, we will have a nuclear threat, what should we do, turn on the radio and tv, buy an analog receiver and listen to what the official authorities will tell us, and we have you and i, we pay taxes, and we have taxes institutes that develop response strategies in the event of a nuclear- chemical threat of any kind, so if this happens, that is, if a missile, for example, with a nuclear weapon has already been launched, and the trajectory can be recalculated

, then this dentocs state scientific and technical center of nuclear and radiation is included of safety and begins to give clear instructions about what needs to be done preventively er well, it is worth doing what i think we have already done, that is, stock up on canned food so that it is sealed in airtight bags, stock up on scotch er, together with various polyethylene and all the rest is for that window, if there is something to seal, make a supply of water, so that it is enough to be able to drink, you don’t need to drink iodine, you definitely don’t need to drink an alcohol solution of iodine, and if we need something, they will either give it to us or tell us on tv and on the radio, no one will shut this up. that is, it is no longer the soviet union, our country in the matter of responding to emergency situations. it works well

. ethers, the last such clarification regarding water, it should be bottled water. what does it matter, it should be that in the event that radionuclides fall out, it will contaminate the water sources, that is, radionuclides - radionuclides have poured in, dust falls from above and pollutes water, if the water from the waterworks is taken from the river, it is actually already polluted. therefore, we need to make a supply of water, not necessarily bottled , just there, and drinking and technical, so that it is closed, that is, so that dust does not get there. there will be programs in stores of houses because it will no longer be good for this good thank you yes thank you olena parenyuk senior

research associate of the institute of safety problems of the npp of the national academy of sciences of ukraine was with us directly, we are moving forward, we will talk about the agricultural sector about we will export ukrainian grain, yes, that's all we have a people's deputy of ukraine and a member of the verkhovna rada committee on agrarian and land policy, mr. dmytro solomchuk, greetings, greetings, the best greetings from the rivne region. thank you for finding time for us on sunday. we supply ourselves to the whole world. and about yourself, about the family of loved ones, see how you imagine 2020, the second year, 2023, in the sense of food getting into some a-a stores, the price of this

food, and the harvest. as far as i understand, i wonder what it was not for the ukrainians, it will be enough for export, it may not be enough for someone there, but for the ukrainians, they will not suffer from a lack of food, but how much will it cost, then you too, this is a homework question, such a task for ukrainians, well, you need to understand in general that the 29th and 25th and the 24th year are completely will change the approach to the agricultural sector in general, it will already be different, there will not be e-e campaigns that were more concerned with the study of technical crops on hundreds of thousands of hectares of land, that is, which they rented, came to the village there, sowed, cultivated, collected from them, it is no longer will work quite efficiently today, uh, for the most part, there is already one company there, small farmers are switching to animal husbandry, switching to

processing, processing, switching to kafto production, it will be profitable, it will be fashionable, it will be profitable to go to the village to engage in processing , who is the author of the production ? i'm interrupting, but you're painting such an ideal picture , uh, ukrainians dream that there really would be medium and small agrarian business, farming, that 's a lot of people talking about it, why did the war change why are these latifundia huge in your opinion, uh, they are no longer popular, although they are you know better than me, it is millions of dollars a year if you have a large amount of land, it was a very profitable business. and now that the logistics have broken down, the logistics have become more expensive anyway what farms did they have, well, such an average amount of land that you

can really take care of and work there effectively, plus small livestock complexes, plus for the livestock complex, did they have any kind of canning test, a sausage shop, a pasta shop, etc. the production is small, they will all show good financial results this year and the next, even producers who worked on hundreds of thousands of hectares , unless it is technical crops, unfortunately, the indicators will not be quite good . and if you even look in germany, in poland, all agricultural enterprises are breaking even though it is not always profitable, but the additional one deals with your strong imperial for different case situations, if we do not do this, we we will depend on that, that is, if we exploit silent there and bring back a

ready-made paraduction, then the marriage will in principle eat everything, only logistics, that is, the logisticians will earn, and the companies that have a railway there in europe will earn, the companies will earn companies that have epaulettes will earn money. companies that have trucks. well, first of all, the salon will declare the processors, and it will definitely be very unprofitable for the price for consumers, and it will be clear. for answers, angelinka wants to ask something about the fact that already 16 ships with grain have already left our ports, which are finally open, and the president says that in two weeks the ports work is equivalent to a month of transportation of agricultural products by road, do you agree with this thesis? indeed, if you count, in

these two weeks, we made exports in comparison with last year, what percentage is it by land? first of all, it is much more expensive and more difficult by land. in any case, we are developing it because it will be needed then for the delivery of other crops, which are no longer so massive or already semi-finished, are the processed products ready, that is, such and such are needed for europe, because they constantly see droughts, this is a huge means that in germany and in france, they collected for 5 customs officers wheat is less than planned and also with other crops they have many problems, that is, they will need to supply them and in any case these directions need to be gassed and yes, the most important thing is the development of supplies across the black sea, first of all, this is much

faster and will give it as a gift. it is much cheaper than by land if we are talking about soybeans and not semi-finished or finished products. it is clear in the language that it is profitable. because this way, agari does not receive the appropriate funds. everyone eats up the entire cost of the products. logistics is important today, it is very important to download poems from the zno that was there remained from last season, because you need to understand that it cannot lie there for ten years and it will deteriorate, and the state of emergency of rio and impula funds and were able to bring in new products to be soldered in. sowing is already starting with us payment of the loan is starting, farmers want to build animal husbandry complexes, they are starting processing. yes , there are loans, for what kind of money did you go to the aid in the spring, for will some additional grants be launched for greenhouses for gardening for processing, there are also working, but still additional

funds are needed and i want to say with confidence once again that the situation, the emphasis on the aerobusiness in the next 2-3 years will be radically removed and changed. who is preparing for the first period? as they say, there will be more. you can say that, mr. dmytro. intellectuals have long dreamed of the state taking over all logistics and giving businesses the opportunity to work and pay taxes, we can expect that somehow ukrainian ports will change for the better, that somehow, for example, some kind of impulse in the danube shipping there reni, which a long, long time ago once upon a time, such steamships were very active. now they are more active. that at the border crossings will be made convenient so that

this trade in semi-finished products and finished products and just grain and so on. it is like this infrastructural society, which was talked about in the west back in the 70s of the last century, so that it would work here in ukraine, and it will definitely be a crazy push for the entire agro-industrial complex if they come, and i am convinced that the westerners will come to such a fertile land investments, western technologies, crops can grow, what you say, small and medium farmers will appear and farms, and this will all give llcs, and it will be sold somewhere, so we need ports and we need border crossings, we need river crossings ports should also be increased, do i think about it, the state or not ? well, first of all, the transitions that concern poland on the

western border are dealt with by the nf-100 of which minister of kubakov and e-e in expand the checkpoints and they are always covered by the media on their pages. i also went and watched there is constant construction there, this is the last two months, it concerns our southern flights in particular for the elevation and transshipment of the agricultural period, our stocks were already in good condition, and as for the transshipment, they were vacuum transports with such, that is, different, they weren’t exactly and the fact that the danube needs to develop to this fundamentally and to approach it like this, you see. nobody, for sure, did not think and knew, and i did not know that at some point it would arise the importance of an expert

on the danube river well, uh, today the situation has changed and we need to develop love in all directions, but i am talking about the south, and in our country, the general pass is definitely relevant, and they explain us, and there are no such people to believe, not in poland, or, uh, on the baltic sea in baltic countries, even approximately not in capacity not in condition not in modernity equipment not in possibility loading by ship by ship panoat to gdansk then dreamed of having such projects how do we have one more question on let's imagine a picture of a-a active work er-e of this black sea odessa but there is no work on the azov ports in kherson to mykolaiv under fire, it is able

to ensure export-import flows in the modern ukrainian military situation, when the whole world needs grain. ukraine also needs something, maybe some goods. turkey has this route from odesa to the black sea to the straits to the dardanelles bosphorus, this is enough for today well, you see, if you park the routes by sea, the route will be paved through these three ports which are taking place today, i have the full opportunity to ship 3 million tons plus by land routes with us 2.5 mm per ton can also be shipped there, and it is shipped together, well, in any case, 5.5 million e-e, in principle, this is enough, it’s just that now it will be a secret for

several months, or is there a large remainder of the merciful season for two or three months that is well will be shipped and the situation is stabilized, don't you forget that we deliver by land today and to all the balkan borders of the country or they will ask about our products and we deliver to western western europe, it is clear that more by land by rail and by road and property is a lot and today there is a lot stores want to buy eh, give data from denmark gdp, like a few weeks ago, they want to earn from all supermarkets, ukrainian pre-production departments because if there is a ukrainian the flag, well, the packaging says made in ukraine for them, that's what i'm saying, you know, how they liked to buy from us, they like to buy some german spare parts, where do they have an engineer, it's quality, you, as

for products today, let them feel that it's written maiden ukraine - it's dairy, meat produce, honey, vegetables, vegetables are highly valued , because they are of good quality in our country. as for the taste, even if you don’t need a lot. but once it is eaten, you will understand that you are eating somewhere like that. thank you. the council on the state of agrarian and land policy is in direct contact with us in georgia. it seems to me that i was there in the evening with my family just before the war in two months. in a month and a half, i say let's buy something. we go to a store in the center of tbilisi . ukrainian is ukrainian is ukrainian is ok i meant exactly