verdicts in absentia, but the question of how to bring them to court and to prison, then an in-person court to the difference - this is difficult and you and i must understand very clearly as long as russia will be preserved or in russia the policy and legal regime that is in place will be preserved today well, let's not lie , bring putin to court, i don't know about the game of lavrov or anyone else, it will be very difficult, well, let's say they won't go there. who will give them there the same story with the perpetrators, because it is unlikely that the russians will hand over their people who scientists directly committed crimes on the territory of ukraine, she will hide them, hide them , etc. if these people will not leave the borders of ukraine at all, well, let's say so to catch them or to capture them is very difficult to be uh unless

they are outside the borders and in countries somewhere where there are uh treaties on uh legal assistance in criminal cases between ukraine and this country or between other countries and this country there for sure you can detain them, and there is a completely different procedure for transferring them to ukraine or another country for trial and serving a sentence. but if they were to stay somewhere on the territory, i don’t know where the buryats of yakutia, adyghe, live somewhere else, it is doubtful to pull them out and fulfill all these years will be quite difficult. thanks to viktor chumak, the chief military prosecutor of ukraine in the 19-20s, who helped us understand a little what is happening in the case of the prosecution of war criminals . thank you, mr. viktor, and if we have oleksandr kovalenko, then i would. i would be happy to

talk to him . i do n't have it. i don't have it. okay. well, you know, oh, and i still have time. i still have something. in the hardware room, the hardware director and editors are sitting there, and they are, as it were, talking to me, and i am talking to them, i just, uh, you can call our military political experts, we still have two of them ahead of us - for half an hour, i just do something so quickly, quickly advanced and forgot that i still have half an hour on the air you will see what a desire to finish this 4-hour broadcast, but i would just think about exactly what i started, what i already started, it's about good russians, yes, there really is one. i have

3-4 friends who are very similar to i support er and did i maintain any relations even with those whom i interviewed once, about whom i can say that they always had that independent position towards putin, were always his critics , they left russia not today and not yesterday, but in in the 14th year, we went directly to e-e, for example, in march in the 14th year, that is, when russia committed the first such serious aggression against ukraine, when there was a gateway to crimea, when there was an escalation and a war in the east, we have uh-uh, and they have been living in europe for a long time in different and and and do they somehow deserve them to persecute, but to equate it with those russians who sit in

the studios of russian television and talk about the fact that ukrainians have such big teeth and they drink the blood of christian babies and and and and and can there be collective responsibility or about collective guilt and how to spend this line between guilt and responsibility that is, we if if we yes now i agree thank you and if we look at the germans after the second world war , we will say that there is not only guilt, but there is responsibility, that is, in the village of europe, germans could simply be beaten on the street simply by learning that these are germans, although this german could even be in some russia, there is opposition and so on, so it is very interesting to think about these same christians. although i even wrote a letter to one, he wrote me apologizing for what happened to him, now he is sad and crying

he is ashamed. i said that with us everything remains as it was before the war, but what are the russians going to do? well, he already has it written on his forehead, the enemy of putin, and people can meet him. i am convinced that i would not advise them to come to ukraine. if they are even super enemies of putin simply because he has a passport, then as we know, beating the passport empties otaka. this is the situation of oleksandr kovalenko, the military-political observer of the information resistance. thank you for being with us, mr. oleksandr. good day, you will not believe what in i will ask you a very first question. well, you are already an expert. that's how you answer, even though they are from such a

perspective . russia is not so terrible, the russian army is not so terrible, cadres are not so terrible, putin is not so terrible , and so on and so on, but for the americans, for example, if there is a problem with china, in china there is a communist regime in power, that is, such an authoritarian-totalitarian regime as in russia though it's as if there are no communists there, and when i wake up, everyone also says that there is such a force there, such weapons there, they are all so strong. i sit and think like this, and maybe china is as arrogant as russia, which we have here . one of them is an aircraft carrier that was built in mykolaiv in ukraine , so they still have one aircraft carrier, now they seem to have built a second one there, a bigger one, but it’s still. well,

we don’t know what it is, how far it will sail and how far it will be can we swim by analogy with russia and start thinking that the chinese too well, this is such a colossus on clay feet, as the russians would say, what happened because of your thinking on this topic, please share with us, mr. oleksandr well, of course, the point is that uh, directly behind china. since 2014, i have been watching the very beginning of a hybrid war russia vs. ukraine why because well, at that time, many people considered either china or the country that can implement hybrid scenarios in russia, and we all know very well that there is a movement in china that considers the territory of russia almost as far as baikal. -is they believed that china

would be russia's number one partner, and they, like those brothers, would start a new geopolitical erugue in the world, but in fact everything turned out to be a little different, namely, watching china, i i have seen a very large number of examples of the fact that its, well, first of all , it is a big, really big economy, it is like that bubble and in the time since 2014, and china, it has been repeatedly in a state of economic crisis , first of all, it is the economic crisis of 2015 -2016 and also this is the economic crisis of 17-18 when started a trade war between the usa so and so and so and so and it is very interesting that in 2018 in general there was

such e shares are shanghai composite and they fell in value by more than 20%. it was a devastating blow to china's economy, then the stock market of the people's republic of china lost a trillion dollars of capitalization in a week, a trillion, and they were forced to save a large number of banks it is precisely at the expense of the budget that and as for the economy , china's economy is actually not as strong as many people think in terms of the military component . the fact is that china really seems to have such a large and powerful army, well, today it can even be considered the second army in the world a-ah

but and in which last really big conflict did this army take part and did it win, first of all, and secondly, what exactly is this army made of, the thing is that almost all the equipment, almost all the military potential of this army is replicas are called it precisely chinese replicas or western ones, but still, in most of them, it is precisely soviet and russian types of weapons, that is, who do we mean that and this is enough, on the other hand, painted, but also the same planes, the same tanks and others of a much larger quantity, they take care of them much better than in russia, but the problem of china, especially their electronic database, their reliability, and in general, namely, inheritance from soviet and russian

equipment. example when there were events between china and taiwan, and during mrs. white's visit to taiwan, well, i always said that there would be no conflict, because beijing, unlike moscow, still has a more rational and logical assessment of its possibilities, so he understands that i am waiting for him if he will start a war , for example, against thailand, and that's why it was all the same. this is the shame that he personally felt for a long time after these chinese warnings of the last century. and this shame is still more acceptable than he actually started the war and lost just as russia is losing now and ukraine is losing and this is exactly the parallels are quite clear, but still, let's say it directly, the authorities in beijing

have much more brains than those who sit in the kremlin, yes, and here we are being shown just the right kind of military and something crossed my mind. as i was listening to you, this thought came to mind. maybe it's wrong, but i noticed that the better the military is consulted, the worse they fight in the field, i just have n't seen such elegant parades in america, in britain, in germany, well, in germany only in they went so cool there, we saw these documentary footage, now we see the same footage on red square there on may 9 in moscow and here we see such and such advice in china there maybe on the square anime but we did not see in the countries there in the same pi- north korea has a beautiful parade, while

south korea doesn’t have one at all, but technologically we can’t even compare south and north korea, these are not comparable things, so maybe you should watch the parades carefully. if there are parades, there is no army. if there are no councils, then there is an army. i would ban advice to ukraine after the war from russia, treasures, we don't need advice, let's pass, fly, shoot, and not walk, petition, there is such a possibility . of our viewers that this is not the last economic crisis, a lot of experts today, he and economic and financial experts say that china is on the verge of another crisis, which may begin literally in the fall of this year, and so the same chinese say that it is not known whether or not the chinese experts do not know what or there will remain sitting because there are many problems

, many problems. if the economy still collapses and the pilots are flying here on their plane and friend putin is not all right with him, but the chinese. as you rightly said, they love silence, but the chinese communists absolutely love silence, you can't lose them face and lately, i see that the chinese communist leaders so often lose face, which is considered unacceptable in the east and such a person cannot hold the first position , let's return to ukraine so what and we have we have serhii kuzan military expert we have oleksandr kovalenko military expert we have solid military experts, now we three will be on your screens, not only i alone will bore you , but her beautiful experts

. he managed to answer one of my questions and now serhii kuzan, a military expert, also appeared. good health, mr. serhii, and it's nice to see you. congratulations, you know what it takes to become an expert. oh, i don't know. it's easy and simple to call yourself an expert of jsc butt in ukraine yes, if it is unlikely to work out in washington or in london, gentlemen, look, uh, this has been discussed since may, but august will come and there will be changes, and i have already understood that well, you have to be careful not to accidentally say the words surrounding the bag in the south of ukraine. it is not possible you have to be more careful , the military doesn't like it. well, to make it easier, but my

question is simple, we see you as experts, and who i call experts, not you. and you see that something changes on the front in august, and do you respond to the hopes of those experts? what else in in may, they said, wait for august, something will happen, it is happening in the words of may, our august, serhiu, yes, yes, i think that here we ourselves can watch the rooster. to be a priority direction in view of the forces and means that were actually introduced and how skillfully our armed forces today pulled out to the right bank of the dnieper. actually,

the main main formations, that is, and this and the three-35 and the fifth army according to the military district of the russian federation, that is, on our initiative, the russians are already trying to react somehow to intercept our initiative, and let's be honest, they don't succeed . in the air, what they flaunted, the whole sky is covered by our complexes and s300 and shells, and yet today the situation in the south is already radically different, and not even only in the south, in the kherson region, zaporizhzhia, and even in the crimea. and today we see how things are going . the command, the command of those units, that is, their entire command, is fleeing today from kherson to melitopol to zaporizhzhia, because they hope that at least in zaporizhzhia, at least there is closer to the

crimea, closer to the sea, they will remain, er, they will remain somewhere at least in some kind of safety, that is why i think that the entire strategy of our armed forces is absolutely correct, and er, even today, in the month of august, we see a turning point in this war when it would seem from the priority direction, and the russians - from the very beginning, the company declared luhansk region donetsk region as a priority direction for themselves, they are forced to remove their most useless formations and transfer not just to the south, namely to the right bank of the dnieper, which is unfavorable for them, see p. oleksandr p. serhiy let's look, mr. oleksandr, now, what is happening in the east? yes, we see, we are watching in the south.

agenda and why there is nothing and there are some disturbing notes in the information from the east near the sands of these sands that there is quite strong strong pressure on the front on the ukrainian position and i would like to know if this pressure will last for a long time or if there is something missing or why this pressure continues mr. oleksandr, please. well, we saw how three weeks ago almost three weeks ago, the russian occupation troops began redeploying and regrouping their er troops precisely to the southern bridgehead, and on the donbas plasma , and it was their resource er, regardless even for the fact that, for example, in the area of ​​raisin in the direction of sloviansk, they are preserved sufficiently. and a serious group of avists, they are in no hurry to start offensive actions, and they still have not

closed, let's say, the conditional borders of the luhansk region, namely near belogorivka, they were actually they are blocked, but they can’t carry out any sharp actions in the direction of severska, but we really see today two directions that are the most sharp, this is the direction of bakhmut and this is the direction of avdiyivka, these directions are like we see that the use of their resources is limited, and because there are no large-scale active events in the kharkiv region, or in any other areas, only these two avdiiv and bakhmut regions, why exactly, and because, namely, during the redeployment and regrouping, they began it was precisely the assault actions that began at the expense of the accumulation of forces and means; it was precisely in these locations that the quantitatively necessary

amount of e forces and means to carry out these assault actions was concentrated in these locations in order to, let’s say, block and restrain the armed forces of ukraine, moreover, if we talk about the direction of avdiivka, then it is located almost in pisky avdiivka. they are located almost in the donetsk agglomeration, and directly to donetsk right now there is quite a large number of logistical routes for the supply of ammunition, fuel, lubricants and other materials, that is, in fact, on today, having a common er border with the russian federation, it is the eastern donbas bridgehead, and it has this er issue that has already been resolved on the right and left banks of the kherson region. that is, it is due to fire impressions of warehouses with ammunition and fuel and lubricants, control posts and command posts. but the situation is much more complicated at the donbas bridgehead, because it

is impossible to disrupt their logistics on a large enough scale. it is precisely in these directions that logistics continues to work. it really does not work so efficiently as it was, for example, a month ago, or two months ago, but still, it allows them to use, first, from time to time, the tactics of a barrage of fire in order to advance and also to concentrate forces and means to carry out assault actions, but as we can see, these assaults have dragged on for quite a long time, and because the armed forces of ukraine are blocking them effectively enough, moreover, i would like to remind you that on august 3, russian propagandists declared that the alpines were, so to speak, asbazhdeni, but now we have august 14, we see that blocking the advance of the occupiers continues because they can really increase the concentration of shelling and namely the concentration of all teachers, but this

is new. thank you, mr. oleksandr, but i’m just here i have to keep an eye on the foreigners, you know, so that there would be some kind of equality, mr. sergey, please, what would you add or tell us something new about this eastern direction, where there really are problems, as far as i can imagine and today we spoke with people who are directly there at the front, they say it's just that we ladies are standing here, but it's very difficult . it's very difficult, in fact, it's very difficult because there is no army. by the way, in europe, we can see from the warehouses the level of the help that is promised to us and how the entire air defense system is actually launched. in general of our allies, we see that not a single army would be ready for such a long war , i.e., under conditions of such intensity, that is, we really uh. we actually keep a huge number, a huge shaft of fire. previously, there were from

45,000 to 60,000 uh of shells that flew at us , that is, now. of course, it is less thanks to masterful work, but still it is. it is simple, well, it is an incredible pressure both for one state and for any absolute european state, but here i want to pay attention to the map and the statements of the russian military and political leadership , and according to their statements, they should have already crossed the borders of the region a month ago. now we see that they are still. soledar bakhmut, that is, they have n't even reached our main er, so to speak, well, let's call the fortified area that way. pass a small village under

by the way, thank you for the correct use of the village of pisky. because i have been watching since the 14th year how our ambitious, obeying the locals, call those who call the sands topjesks, or something else with all those sands uh, but really, sands, not sands, not kherson, donetsk, not donetsk, and so on. and if he is russian, then he is uh, if the russians took him over, he would be yaroslav, and since this is a ukrainian city, well, he is kherson i understood this from i completely agree with you, ah, that's how we see that we haven't even reached our main urban agglomerations along this line, and they continue regardless. crazy shelling , despite the actual meat grinder, our soldiers

continue to hold even here is this line of defense from seversk to bakhmut eh and well, bahmut is already a literary name and at what price eh price of those mobilized from donetsk and luhansk regions who are simply thrown to the slaughter , i.e. unprepared unprepared at the expense of the number of manpower, the number of shells and the number of equipment, we see that they have become more frequent, and it is just that the exits of tanks and air raids on our position have become more frequent, and let me remind you that, after all, the use of this huge number of rockets is what in reality today, we do not have er, today , all this business arrives specifically at donetsk region, well, from 35 to 50 releases of this modified , converted s-300 missile, that is, which

opens and hits a huge area with its shrapnel, that is, this is an extremely powerful weapon , and who, for example, has been under fire of any kind of jet systems for it and compared it with missile fire, they understand how much there is. well, there is such a big difference, both psychological and uh, and well, actually speaking, and the area of ​​damage and therefore what our armed forces are doing today in the east i think that this will not just go down in our history, it is already in our history, but it will go down in military textbooks all over the world and because of the way we observed and actually were in contact with our allies overseas and across european states in all of them one reaction, they are amazed at what our armed forces are doing today with the resources they have, that's why i think that sir, we have two minutes to go to you, we have two minutes, everyone will get it, now i

'll ask an idiotic question, i didn't understand the question from an ignoramus mr. oleksandr mr. serhiy and look, we see the supply of western weapons and changes at the front . is it correct? i understand that if we were given 3 3 5 7 high mars there in the east, that could change the situation, or am i wrong, mr. oleksandr well, the question is not only in m- 142 himers question also in other weapons must be taken into account , artillery, tanks, bbm, etc., not only m-42 himers decide. yes, it helps a lot. it performs very important a-a work, namely, to destroy warehouses and destroy the management system and support system of the advanced units of the russian occupiers, but it must be taken into account there are also other types of

weapons. no, of course. if we are given 500,000 tanks, 150,000 guns, and so on, then we will go on the offensive and finish it off somewhere in the ural mountains, so it would be very nice in my opinion, but in principle to what extent is this, i’m already asking mr. sergei cousin, how much does it change the situation, the presence of such western weapons absolutely changes, absolutely changes because today well, we will be honest that we are currently reforming our entire army, that is, we are moving from soviet equipment to western and uh, and first of all, why do such reforms? well, of course , this is the greatest stress - it is the most difficult, but at the same time, well, when, when, how not now, that is, any western weapons units, they are more effective than

similar similar russian or most often the soviet ones that are currently in use, in terms of quantity, i think that the best thing would be 3-5 pieces, they will not change the situation fundamentally on the front, we need it in the complex. i agree with my colleague that we need to get all of the entire range of weapons in the complex. those positions that were declared earlier, in particular serhiy, yes, as always, ukrainians are like honey, give us everything with a spoon, then we will win oleksandr kovalenko military-political view, take a look serhiy kuzan military observer mykola veresen sheep program but it doesn't turn out very well because i passed the word to iryna koval, who usually gets the word after her work, this time it won't happen because i finished my 4-hour broadcast today , so who will iryna pass the word to?