tv [untitled] August 14, 2022 10:00pm-10:31pm EEST
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then, but in general, it will bring us closer to the fact that this border functions as it functions now in the countries of the schengen zone, in fact, that this border of the european union moves further to the east, and on the border between ukraine and poland we can move freely, as well as between poland and germany are now other countries of the european union, but returning to warsaw, there is a very active diplomatic life in warsaw and, of course, there is a great interest in foreign services to ukraine or a lack of faith in russia at the time in to diplomatic meetings. do you meet her services in warsaw? no, i have not met her and i have no such desire . as long as this unleashed baseless war continues, we have nothing to talk about with him, and meeting him is
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definitely more than that. i believe that uh, one of the consequences of this aggressive policy of putin, there should be complete isolation of russia, including at the diplomatic level, sanctions, isolation and support for ukraine's weapons, these are actually the three pillars on which our victory will be built, and here we have a common opinion, a common position, and with the polish side, full isolation somehow does not quite come of age in warsaw, when he once came there for some sentimentalist, he remembers the cemetery and i don't remember who . well, everyone knows him there. it was a big camera. ukrainians and fists meet him there, and they will meet me there very well . so what is he i think he is hiding somewhere in his own, let me thank my president for this one, i
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understand if you hear from poland i know that you have lived here for many years and i mean how do you feel now or are you impressed when you see , for example, ukrainian flags on the streets of polish cities, this slogan of kyiv-warsaw joint cause has now acquired a completely new sound for me when i personally saw how great it is for solidarity and the spirit of support for ukraine here is felt not only in warsaw, but in other towns and cities of poland, it is inherent in all er, i explain it's very simple, throughout its history, poland has learned to value its statehood and independence, and it values those who, just like the poles, in their history defend their statehood and their independence, and as long as the ukrainian soldiers will show heroism in battle and
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repulse the enemy, this support is solidarity with ukraine, it will continue, i am more than convinced of this. well, i also, when i see its ukrainian flags on the poles of polish princes and poles singing ukrainian songs, for example, i am also struck by something such how can it be said so about the sanctions of the poles, what bloody sanctions at the government level are the same . things that impress everyone very much it is necessary and necessary to do as i say uh russia and even ordinary russians who support putin's policy unfortunately have to feel the consequences of this aggressive uh war that they themselves unleashed without any grounds in to the civilized world - this is not a method of solving any issues, you can't kill people
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just because he doesn't like something in you , first of all, you need to understand why you don't like something in you, now you need to understand why you occupied the sovereign the territory of our state why did you take crimea, and for that we still have to love and respect you, russian, my russian peace, it is not inherent to the ukrainian people, we cannot tighten the yoke of the russian world and until the kremlin and until other russians understand that we cannot be called in any way we are one people we are different we are different but who am i not attacked by us supporters of peaceful coexistence and suddenly we get something that what putin has done does not fit into the head of any civilized person , therefore the consequences of an aggressive policy must be felt on
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to himself, every russian who did not condemn this aggression , who pretends that he is standing aside, there can not be a culture separate from politics, it cannot be this, that is, this line has already been crossed, not only putin, but also the entire russian people, who are the only one here the method to end this war as soon as possible is complete isolation in all spheres in all spheres and then let one or another russian think about why it happened why it happened and maybe start looking for the culprit in all this somewhere near the mozoleil maybe i would i wanted certain people to start looking for a free person there, but as it shows, it is hard to believe it, as they say, the water is sharp, i hope it will be like that if he said that warsaw has a common cause, and in
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the end, let the cats also say your word that you wrote with others, like when you came to poland in june, do you plan to work mainly 24 hours a day, and for the sake of friendship with the ukrainian people, because from poland, ukraine will definitely win and i wish us that ukraine will win quickly, it will be our joint victory that we let's celebrate together and this will be our new joint history which we are also building together already and now in a single united family thank you very much for the meeting i thank you very much i welcome you to the espresso channel today we will talk about weapons or more precisely about weapons for victory about those samples of equipment and weapons that allowed the ukrainian army to hold back the enemy's onslaught, and now, with the acquired experience and
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practice of use, cause significant losses to the aggressor. we want to make a clear overview of what is the most effective and most necessary in in the hands of our soldiers on land in the air, as well as to repel threats at sea, and today's issue we devoted to weapons and equipment specifically for the defense of land, this is the new artillery, hymers, atgms and armored vehicles, how their capabilities are realized in the conditions of the largest war in europe, my name is serhiy zgorits, i am the director of information consulting and the defense express company, which, together with the espresso channel, tries to cover the most relevant events in my life and the defense of the industrial complex, and my interlocutors today are oleg katkov, a military expert and editor-in-chief of defense express and also vyacheslav tsiluyko military analyst and now a serviceman of the special operations forces i congratulate
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you i will start with the first question five months of the war it is already behind and you can draw certain interim conclusions how would you characterize this war it is a war of technology is it conditional speaking of the war, the number of soviet and post-soviet weapons, what are the main features that can really be singled out characterizing these hostilities on land, olezhe, i ask you to answer this question first well, first of all, let's note what is happening now, as they say in the pentagon in direct language, we have not seen this for decades. we have forgotten what a real war looks like. the so-called war of high intensity and with the use of all types of weapons that exist, er, conventional means that is, this has never really happened before, we are seeing it for the first time and our fighters are really
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making history in relation to that mass of the russian horde that needs to be destroyed, which is fighting on the basis of the soviet union, is pressing precisely a lot of equipment in eh, but it suffers from the same ones , in my opinion, the vat, which refers to the army within and another century, that is, a weak rear eh, sir, consistency, but all this is compensated solely by the fact that we are really talking about the horde that accumulates and allows for example, they don't have such a concept as a lack of ammunition, and all because of that it is possible to find out such a yes such a just a barrage of fire in order to simply squeeze out our positions and leave only corrections of concrete from them , that is, such a thing. indeed, i am simply behind a decade like this has never happened vyacheslav what do you think is the most revealing about this format of hostilities that are being waged between ukraine and
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russia today on the land itself, so definitely the russian army and the ukrainian army are the heirs of the soviet army and what we are observing in a certain way, it refers to the soviet military school. that is, there are large massifs and so on. and so on. the russian army is a more powerful successor. it has more weapons. the ukrainian army has less weapons. however, we see in first of all, precisely on the ukrainian side, there are probably technological advantages thanks to the weapons provided by the united states and other nato countries, and this is precisely what allows, say, a smaller copy of the soviet army to effectively repel the attacks of its large copy, the main heir of the soviet army, if
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we say that on today there was a certain stabilization of the front line, thanks to the tactics of using certain weapons and the specifics of each type of weapons, if they were to form a certain priority in relation to the hierarchy of those or of other models used by accompanying troops or other units on the battlefield, how would you form it in such a hierarchical order p- on skis depending on what stage of the war we are talking about , that is, even the second, third, well, we must say that you played a significant role precisely those arms supplies that were transferred from the allies, determine the number, the same known ufos, the same jabelins, i.e., anti-tank missiles, and an exclusively ukrainian bestseller, which , in my opinion, is just insanely popular in the world after our victory, it was patriarch stugna, together with other means and desperate courageous actions of the armed forces of ukraine, to cut
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the guts that dragged the russian army. it became like this. well, because of this, it became possible, for example, to burn out simply with columns, er, raschits, er, now, of course, we are talking about later, er, starting from april, about the non-willing of projectile certain hunger in relation to the shortage 152-millimeter soviet ammunition, the transition to 155-mm artillery, what kind of armored m37s are these western self- propelled guns, such as the zakarpatska 2000, with which we also received crabs in a significant number of polish ones. now it is possible that we are talking about more long-range missile weapons that began to be used literally days ago. that is, it is growing
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exponentially and at every stage, every weapon that we received or would already have in our arsenal played a more than significant role and, in my opinion, allowed us to shape the picture of the war, and not the enemy, that is, in fact, for yours, i did not like the anti -tank artillery and the hymers, here are three samples that at the first and second stages paint a picture of the battlefield based on our capabilities, so well and, of course, these are just separate elements of the general system of all weapons and the entire general mechanism of the armed forces of ukraine, in principle, which should interact and interact extremely effectively, that is, we do not need to single out any type of weaponry from her point of view and consider that we got it there, this is a victory or we got it for him, well, in the future it will be a victory, this is a huge complex of measures and interactions of each individual branch of the armed forces of ukraine, in principle, in order to, for example, carry out some kind of technical, for example
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, well-known information about the fact that in order to strike the saka air base, for example, it was necessary to blind the radars of the anti-aircraft missile defense of the army and the russian federation, for which most likely gm business-8 harm was used, that is the launches were already carried out by the air force, the strikes were carried out by the ground troops, and the coordinates and so on, other targets and organizations in general. maybe there were special forces introduced by radio, that is, this is exactly the interaction of the general structure and the honed huge mechanism that works without interruption with extremely high efficiency. vyacheslav as what are your priorities regarding how his weapons were supplied to ukraine and how they would be placed there in the first second third place based on the influence on the course of hostilities in the first there and on in the second stage, you can certainly agree with mr. oleg that in the first stage, when the russians tried to win the war with
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ukraine by means of a blitzkrieg, anti-tank missile complexes, ufos, such military-technological anti-tank means, grenade launchers, played a significant role. and i would also add disposable grenade launchers , well, rocket launchers anti-tank grenades because they were delivered to ukraine in such an insane amount that now every tero unit there has so many of them that russian armored vehicles tanks combat vehicles infantry they simply change their tactics they are afraid to get close to the ukrainian infantry and try to fire at a certain distance , i.e. anti-tank missile systems and disposable anti-tank rocket launchers, they had a certain effect on the russian briders, and at this stage, portable anti-aircraft missile systems should also be removed, they are not the same effective means of anti-aircraft defense
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defense but due to the fact that there were a lot of them, they not only caused and continue to cause significant losses to russian aviation, primarily attack aircraft and helicopters, and they also significantly affect the tactics of the russian aviation, and it is us, i see it with my own eyes, and the russian helicopters . they, too. made its bet, that is , the money for the re-equipment of the army aviation, the purchase of new k-52 and mi-28n combat helicopters, and now they too have suffered significant losses and their effectiveness at the stage of the war, it is extremely low, now that the front has stabilized, the artillery played a really significant role, and here we can say that even an old
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cannon from the second world war, which has outfits, is much better than a more modern, more powerful cannon, which does not have shells, that's why there are american supplies first of all, this is the m-77, which is called in our army three axes and self-propelled artillery installations, there are german , french, and so on, polish. it is important not only because it is a high-tech weapons, and also because there are plenty of shells for them, and this allows the relatively small number of such artillery systems to significantly influence the course of hostilities on the front, and i see this again from my own experience, that is, these artillery systems and a sufficient number of shells for them allow you to significantly influence the course of hostilities well, of course, the heimers here can talk about this for a very
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long time, that this is the means that already at the operational level allows ukraine to influence the course of hostilities, but did you somehow analyze what it says vyacheslav, yes, with the general indicators regarding the amount of ammunition, what was the picture with the artillery at the beginning of the war and the picture today with regard to the supply of ammunition to nato standards and to the stocks of soviet hummingbirds that were in the ukrainian army, what can be said in this regard yes, indeed, the minister of defense of ukraine, mr. varshnikov, at the beginning of june, released quite interesting information, which had exactly the percentage ratio of the soviet- caliber projectiles that were, as of february 24, to the nato-type ammunition that had been received according to him, the difference at that time was 10%. that is, taking into account the fact that the data regarding
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the supply of 155-millimeter projectiles to ukraine is public, they officially discuss it at the pentagon and in, for example, the same germany , that is, all the countries that will give us some weapons there, they release open information, that is, if you conduct the information of these data if we take into account a 10% difference, then we conclude that as of february 24, there were about 400,000,500 shells of soviet calibers 122-192 mm and 203 mm in ukraine in total, this is just an absolutely low stock, which is evidence of the fact that we also have warehouses of explosive ammunition, the fact that the production of equipment was not implemented for the entire period from 1991, the fact that the purchase of these shells was still
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not carried out in the necessary time there was always a lot of them. yes, and the fact that the active use of artillery since the 14th year was also new projectiles. well, it did not create, on the contrary, we only reduced this number . thus, in fact, in my opinion, somewhere even on state somewhere in april, maybe there was such a situation when for a conditional one hmm there is a system like i don’t know where there are 20 or a bridge there would be 3.4 shells per day, that is, these are the numbers and that is why they really worked and god grant that so and nato artillery in the caliber of 155 mm was pulled out, for example, the same uh-uh m-3 sevens, they were transferred in relation to these open pentagons, they were transferred in the amount of 2,000 shells per one
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community, and for example, why will we just take aid packages from the usa, the last ones, then there eh- e for the last two weeks we received an additional 140,000 shells, that is, returning to those 400-5 million that were on february 24, vyacheslav, what is the tactical difference between howitzers there 3 sevens and more technological howitzers, they are transferred on wheeled or tracked tracks of foreign production why is it a feature and what is more important for us there are three sevens or less, the number of more mobile hawks, well , look, in principle, on the active areas of the front, where there is an active counter, there is an active counter , battery fire from the russian artillery there the firing range is important because the same crabs and caesars have more data thanks to a longer range and mobility is important because it is important not
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to stay in the position for a long time because it will fly in response to more about those areas of the front passive here eh m-77 howitzer is enough the main thing is the presence of shells for it. that is, where there is russian artillery, which well, this is again what i observe from my own experience, it is quite ineffective in terms of hits, especially when it can not afford to simply sow hectares of land there projectiles, that is, when its number on the front is also limited, then the russians are already capable of effective counter-battery combat, let’s just say that they are not completely incapable, but their effectiveness in counter-battery fire is quite low, and here the m-77s are adequate for the task and face
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our by the armed forces, that is, for such areas, it is better to have more than three axes, the main thing is with shells for them, than there are fewer high-tech, but there are high-tech artillery systems, caesar's crabs and armor 2,000 howitzers, so it makes sense to use them in the directions of the e-e or where the russian army is concentrating its forces and trying to advance, but also in those directions where ukraine is moving into a counteroffensive and it is necessary to concentrate effective firepower, and it is in such areas of the front that the best place for more of technological artillery vyacheslav, the authenticity is your experience, are there any examples of pairing, so to speak, of howitzers with counter-battery radars on the front line, specifically on the ukrainian side, does this symbiosis work in real hostilities? yes, of course, ukrainian the army is sufficiently technological thanks to the
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adequate tactics and thanks to the western supplies of weapons and those means that help to effectively process the counter-battery radars, they are used, but less actively, but the interaction between artillery and air means of finding the enemy and adjusting it is worked out by 147%, as they say, that is, a very effective symbiosis is obtained here, which allows the maximum effective use of those projectiles allocated to artillery systems and allows the ukrainian artillery, even when it is in the minority , can not only effectively oppose the more numerous russian artillery, but also inflict significant losses on the russian army, and one more point, to this i would like to add such a very important tool. it is not a weapon, but it is difficult to overestimate it, it is a
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system starlink, which was provided to ukraine by elon musk and it is precisely thanks to this system that the ukrainian communication system even e-e, subject to the use of means of radio electronic warfare by the russian federation, allows even urban tactical levels to maintain e-e communication and control of ukrainian units, including effectively correcting ukrainian artillery . what i see with my own eyes and what does this mean for the audience, how to explain what nettle is to the ukrainian army, why it is extremely important, this is actually a program that we can install on a phone or tablet now
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i have installed this program that i use in our activities on the tablet through which we communicate with you. that is, it allows there are topographic maps, there are satellite satellite layers, and the program allows you to calculate the necessary artillery calculations to mark where was the trouble to convey this information to the gunners and they already carry the appropriate amendments and girkaya. after several aimed shots, they begin to hit the targets sufficiently fertily, that is, what previously took the team 57-10 minutes for preparation it now takes much less than a second to open fire, that’s right, yes, and the main thing is not only to open fire, but also to adjust , that is, artillery can hit me with a superior shot. it is difficult to take into account, for example, weather conditions, because the wind at a considerable height can to be different and it is important to notice those first hits, they told
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the gunners where they will go and then they have already adjusted their sights on the sights and started talking fifth oleg, the question for you is that there is artillery, there is a control system, but there are also high-precision guided are the ammunition adjusted, which previously the ukrainian army did not have at all, what is the effectiveness of these ammunition, what types do we use, what effects do we have from them? with them, the range of the repeatedly mentioned m-37 will be, if i am not mistaken, about 40 km, and if , for example, it is fired from a crab or caesar, then the range there already exceeds 50-55 km, and this this is due to the fact that self-propelled guns have a barrel length of 52 caliber and in this entire section the projectile has a
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minimum deviation from the aiming point literally there in 1-2 m, that is, in. objects at a distance of up to 50 km, such objects can be both anti-aircraft positions under interactive complexes and, for example, the headquarters and communication point from the station of the russian clinical intelligence , that is, an extremely effective means for firing such a close rear of the russian army is also not it is confirmed, but most likely it is expected , accordingly, again, the pentagons of the pentagon e-e ammunition, which have such accuracy, most likely, we are talking about the jk kits, which provides for the conversion of any 155 mm caliber artillery projectile into a high-precision e, this kit is much cheaper than the
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simple excalibu excalibu there according to different costs with different data about 100,000 dollars and the gk kits are about 20 and it has a little more because a little i believe that the accuracy but in any case it is about 5-10 m of dependence er responsibility there or only satellite navigation is used. we also use, in my opinion, extremely effectively, a rather rare but extremely effective ammunition called smart a-a 155, which is a 135-meter munition that already had supplies for destruction of enemy armored vehicles that have individual guidance, that is, for example, a moving column is covered with smart shells, and this projectile throws out two misses with it, which independently hit each of its targets, eh, and there are already verified videos with the use of this system, when
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the same shells are simply destroyed, for example, on the move, hmm, well, that’s it, that’s it, so far, the triad, if we ’re talking about artillery shells in particular, then they have already proven their maximum effectiveness, in my opinion, because again it is necessary to understand that if we take the soviet instructions, then it is for the destruction of such an object as a suitable support point, i may be wrong, but there the children are talking about about a thousand shells of 152 mm caliber, and in order to destroy this diversionary support point, that is, to strike if we use high-precision ammunition, then we will be talking about 5-10 such ammunition, so it is even possible and economically more profitable to use high-precision ammunition at times, because it is not only or a smaller number of shots that is, less than the consumption of the barrel resource and
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