territory. of course, within the framework of the mgt, it will be considered exactly this aspect that there are many russians there, so that there would be at least equal. he unexpectedly spoke in favor of the public and commented on the possible accession of serbia to the european sanctions, so that in order to join the european union, one of the main allies of russia and serbia will have to harmonize their policy with the policy of the european union, including regarding the sanctions against russia, that this would prove andriy smolii well, let me honestly quote directly what he said to him, they told him when he would join , he answered, when they tell us in the eu that we have 6 months left before joining the eu, we will fully harmonize our policy with theirs because it is our duty to do so. and if they don't say

it, then we probably won't join you. well, you know, it's a two-pronged position, that is, to talk about serbia's 180° uchiha turn, it's not worth it yet, but there are certain bells and whistles. of course what even some of putin's partners, do they understand the whole situation around the aggressor state? they understand very well that, first of all , moscow has much less financial opportunities, and in principle, they see that well, let's be frank, one way or another, the world is still about united against russia, and even if some of the measures there seem to us to be smaller or larger, still, as of today, for almost 6 months, the sanctions are only getting stronger, and in principle, i would not

talk about any rather large relaxation, although such aspects are also there. of course , mr. vučić tries to sit on two chairs , first, serbia, one way or another, in the event that if it had such an opportunity, i think it would join the european union, because it is absolutely clear to everyone, it is also financial opportunities, it is social opportunities these are any possibilities, and on the other hand, we see that they are not doing, for example, there are other countries, well, the same switzerland itself, some certain steps, er, regarding the sanctions regime , that is, er, he is talking about what is good if the european union will give us a green corridor, a green light. and the fact that we join the european union or the european union, in fact, together with this, will finance serbia. okay, then we will carry out those

sanctions packages that have already been imposed by the european court. if no, then no, that is, this is a signal about that and i can um from putin's side, so to speak, go over to your side. if you help finance serbia in the amount that we need, this is already a bad signal for putin, i will explain why he is this bad signal is that is allies of the current aggressor states, they agree with a certain financial benefit, political benefit for themselves, to switch to, let’s say, the other side, the other side. and this is bad news for the entire civilized world in our country, and this is, by the way, a kind of signal for other states that are currently supporting there are so many aggressor states, but all the same about the fact that hmm, you can say from the point where

they are now to move to a completely different point but again, i want to emphasize once again that there are no real actions and no we are not observing a 180° turn on the side of serbia, so far these are words, so far this is a demonstration of certain , not even actions, but a demonstration of certain certain, so to speak, possibilities of what serbia will do in the event that what i have called is so and so far it is simple a certain political bow from the side of the european union. i think it is worth following up, but for now there is no need to draw any final conclusions in this case. thank you, mr. volodymyr. the president also said that ukraine maintains military neutrality and does not need foreign military bases. this is how he responded to the reports of some media

that russia wants to turn a humanitarian center in a niche into a military base, according to him, serbia will maintain military neutrality as long as he is the president of serbia, your comment, i ask for discount questions to serbia - this is a polarized country, a polarized society about often in that's why the eu makes such statements. well, with regard to russia, they have a certain dependence on the issues that concern kosovo. that is, it is more of a historical component, and that's why he is actually now a student with this statement. tried, so to speak, to take the position of the guarantor of the player over all the players in the internal politics of srednytsia. as for foreign policy aspects, the statement about neutrality is also aimed at maintaining this status that serbia does not take part in any wars. that is, it is a certain neutrality in relation

to russia and the european union in military and political terms, but yes, in the student's latest statements there are some notes that indicate that the student's serbia has begun to distance itself somewhat from putin's regime, everyone in the world is closely following the course of the war in ukraine, and when you don't see that for six months, er , er, russia has tied the little ones in ukraine, er, when they see the situation of napoleon in moscow, napoleon's troops in moscow, and now putin's troops on the right bank of kherson right bank of the kherson region everyone understands that the glorious putin army, like the once glorious napoleonic army , is beginning to collapse like a colossus with clay feet

, so the course of the military campaign will also, i think , affect the position of those states that occupied such a fairly neutral or politically close to a neutral position in russia. in a war against ukraine and serbia, such countries will be defeated. thank you, mr. volodymyr, volodymyr volya, political scientist-internationalist, and andriy smoliya, too. thank you, political expert , candidate of legal sciences, lawyer. thank you. let's watch the story together ilya ponomarev with us, a russian opposition leader, a former member of the state duma and a jigamin and pavilion chairman of the committee on international affairs of the lithuanian seimas greetings good day good day, dear friends. let's go. i just wanted one thing before the story. maybe we can

discuss one more novelty briefly. president volodymyr zelenskyi said that russians who do not express their position against the war in ukraine support the war. people are approaching the level of complicity, and the refusal to fight against evil becomes an aid to it precisely because if you have russian citizenship and you are silent, then you are not fighting, which means you support it and no matter where you are in the territory of russia or abroad, your voice should sound in support of ukraine, that is, against this war, literally for starters, your reaction to this address yesterday to the ukrainian president, please, and i 100% support this statement to the president of ukraine and right now there's a lot of different indignation inside er russian immigration who think they're going to be sent back

to russia and that they're like modern jews during world war ii but i think that's wrong i think i can't be er right now i am an intermediate position, and if you are against the war, you need to fight, when you need to not only express the fall, only there, help there with various humanitarian methods. and you need to take up arms and fight shoulder to shoulder against putin and i believe that mr. zelensky expressed it very clearly. thank you, mr. serhiy. but ilya said that the russians well, first they organize ethnic cleansing and their army, and then in society they compare themselves to the jews who are trying to be deported back to russia yes, and there to create for them of the iron curtain. is this a correct comparison at all? i ask if you understand ukrainian. i apologize. well, i think i understood the question. all three baltic

countries . months ago when we were in a state of emergency in lithuania because of russia's war against you, we immediately made a decision that no tourists from russia and belarus could enter lithuania. it's normal that we don't issue visas, but the problem in that other countries of the european union are publishing giants visas and these citizens of russia can still get to lithuania through other countries and we are now raising the issue in

brussels so that we all этого вызы shopping without a visa. against you, but we made two, one of the first just implemented limitations, we have a plot, let's see together about the good russians and about the position of different people and what about the new iron curtain that can fall on the borders of the russian federation. yes, the material of our correspondents, then we will return to the discussion. good luck. estonia was the first among european countries

to ban the entry of russians from schengen visas , whether the entire european union will dare to take such a step, everything may become known already at the end of august, when, after the holiday season, the ministers of foreign affairs of the euro countries will gather for an informal meeting the union officially supports the idea of ​​not letting russians in on tourist visas, the baltic states, the czech republic and finland. they assume that poland, slovakia and other countries that have already partially limited or complicated the process of granting schengen against germany, the position of which was expressed by chancellor scholz, is putin's war, and therefore it is difficult for me to agree with this idea, we adopted far-reaching sanctions that affect the oligarchs, if the sanctions were extended to everyone, including innocent people, this would probably weaken the effectiveness of the introduced measures berlin's position will be supported by budapest, viktor orban's government is one of putin's main advocates in the european union, it is unlikely that france

and italy and other countries where russians leave a lot of money will join the idea, but it is important that the discussion is at least heard, i do not agree with the approach that we take the so -called ordinary citizens of russia and we separate them from putin by a war of buckets as a state and without a doubt russian citizens, due to their passivity, bear the moral responsibility for this to ban russians from tourist and other trips to europe proposed president zelensky in an interview with the american publication in the washington post, later he clarified that russian refugees must receive the appropriate status, and the rest, in particular, the so-called good russians, do not have the right to travel to the eu as tourists, there must be a guarantee that russian murderers will not be instruments of state terror using schengen, secondly, you cannot destroy the very idea of ​​europe, our common european values , that is, you cannot turn europe into a supermarket

in which it is not important who enters and most importantly that a person simply paid for these goods, in addition to a complete ban on issuing schengen visas to russians, there are a number of ideas on how to punish russia for the invasion, one of them is to recognize refia as a sponsor of terrorism, the diet of latvia has already done this in moscow they have already announced that a possible solution will be the point of no return in american-russian relations, the question is for you, er, you are a russian oppositionist, olafshol - this thinks that he is against putin, the russians there is no point here and there is no need to scale it to everyone. and what do you think, will the russians now take responsibility for this and should there be demonstrative sanctions from the civilized world? i of course

believe that this is a war of russian fascism against the whole world and i believe that the whole world should fight this and i believe that all russians should fight this. and we have already seen for five months what is happening, we saw that many russians decided for themselves to simply leave the territory of the russian federation and thus stop your struggle well, even with 99% of those who leave, they didn't even start to fight, they just leave for a better life, and of course i think that it is necessary, at least , to stimulate them, and at the most, to force them to stay, and -e to join the real struggle. and they also 100% support the opinion that there is no need to

deport people who ended up in the european union, but they help ukraine and there are many of them. they are going to provide humanitarian aid and they help military doctors and they do a lot of other things, but if they do not threaten the security of us as ukraine, it is best if they are inside the russian federation, the pavilion with the head of the committee on international affairs of the lithuanian seimas. what do you think about which of the countries, whether other countries will join lithuania or limit the european union consolidated in the russians are coming. well, i think we will be able to convince our brothers and sisters in the european union to follow our example because we in lithuania have a lot of

money. clearly, there are two categories of people in russia and belarus who are struggling with regimes, the entire headquarters of the mass forces lives in lithuania, svetlana tikhonovskaya lives in lithuania, her headquarters is now a transitional government that helps your kalinovsky battalion fight the regime . we will send them to lithuania, but we will make a special decision for each person , which we will let in. other tourists do not eat, and i think we just need to explain. this is what you said so well at this meeting of foreign ministers this is our minister gabriel, who raised this issue immediately after your war, but so are

we parliamentarians. in a week, there will be parliamentarians from most european union countries who want to support you and us in ukraine. it is necessary to explain this to these parliamentarians who work with us in this united for ukraine platform, or for them to explain to their government what chancellor shoutz says. i think it is simply wrong, eh. because if you stand aside, eh, how would my house be uh evil comes by itself, it's evil, it's only necessary that you stand on the sidelines and not fight the regime. and we need to show the russians with a sail that if you fight the regime the way the ukrainians are fighting and we've been fighting for 30 years, then you're europeans, and if no, you just have to sit in

this, in this same prison or in a sort or in a russian prison where putin will wipe himself out. well, tykhanovskaya and oleksiy navalny are beautiful . i don’t mind fighters with their regimes, but what kind of attitude do they have towards ukraine, well, navalny said a famous phrase that when i got a sandwich in order to return it like this svitlana tikhanovska during street actions in belarus, in fact, without an armed revolution , turned to putin with a request to influence lukashenka and help solve belarusian issues , that is, at night, are these belarusian russian oppositionists sympathetic to ukraine, i have a big question and is it correct that they are taking a position of light in this war between russia and ukraine? what do you think about these opposition leaders, what should be the attitude of our european partners, please? you know, there are two different questions here, because what

is the position of mr. navalny or ms. tipanovska? we can agree with something, but they are against putin, and now anyone who is against putin is our ally and we must support him and by the way, geminto has already said about the headquarters of mr. navalny, the headquarters of mr. kasparov is also located in vilnius, which is 100% an ally of ukraine and always supported him and his territorial integrity and was on our side all the time so i think that now it is necessary to look at whether the people are ready to fight putin or not, and this was the main sign here, the question is whether they are ready to fight putin for their power or whether they are ready to fight putin for ukraine well, it seems to me

that this is the difference between mr. we all have one enemy , that's putin, and we need to unite all the nations against him, too, russia. yes, that's what a colleague said very well. and not only russians come together with the kasparovs, we also do big events for these people who are fighting for freedom from all over the world in lithuania, but we want to convince them to fight against putin today , because putin can also the brains of very many nations eh and we need eh all of them eh as

if to direct them to one goal then eh we will also eh how to fight with the regime in china because we have to understand that this whole struggle is simply a struggle for democracy and for human values ​​that many strange people have forgotten and hold we are for free people and only about 1/3 or 1/4 of this planet we are losing the fight for freedom and we need to unite and destroy these dictators who themselves destroy value and even the one that our grandfathers signed after the second world war uh, we forgot these values, which are universal and we must unite these, everything is our strength, and i think that when kyiv defeats

putin, he will become the center of the struggle for freedom, at least in our european continent, but as i said, the struggle will go even further later that today china stands behind russia and quietly helps them destroy not only you, but also us and all other free countries with their backs, if other countries, some countries will simply wait for this and watch and not consolidate around this evil ilya ponomarev how are you what are your predictions regarding recognition which countries can actually do this right now , russia is a sponsor of terrorism, there are many countries that are thinking about it, but i believe that this will be the critical position of the united states, and

they now have an executive power and a modern administration she is very skeptical of the united states for this, and this is because of the existing american laws , because if they define russia and ukraine as a sponsor of terrorism, all ties there will be very limited, and it is most likely that even diplomatic relations will be broken, and... in addition, the executive power will be forced to include russia in the list of countries sponsoring terrorism, but they can not exclude them. this will require a separate decision of the congress, and of course executive then she doesn't want to agree with this, but i think that it's not such a critical issue for us, here is the issue of visas, for example, it is much more critical, but even more critical

is what i was just saying e p zahhiman a hmm we need to take leadership in the democratic process in the democratic movement in the post-soviet space and ukraine is very well positioned for that and it is necessary for ukraine to determine who will be the future russian government here we said there navalny will like it there. someone will not i like it there. well, this needs to be decided, and i believe that all the countries of europe, which allies of ukraine they need, they need to join the same process and form here this new and to the russian federation and an alternative to the modern plan of putin, and i believe that it will be the most productive, sir, to shoot now, i will give you

my word, i wanted us to look at one more illustration and i am reading the information that came from switzerland, ot how do ordinary russian citizens behave, for whom it is not a war, war says offshol from putin right from ordinary ukrainian russian citizens are somewhere away in switzerland. ukrainian students were attacked by two men, one was russian, the other introduced himself as a belarusian, the incident took place on august 13 in zurich, one of the beaten students, journalist yana sonchkivska, reportedly reported on instagram . so now we can watch the video. on the refugee on refugees from ukraine with accusations of speaking russian, a russian- speaking man who called himself belarusian first pressed a 20-year-old ukrainian against the wall later, he attacked the student with his fists and when he heard that he was from ukraine, the russians managed to record a fragment of the attack. here he is on the video. the girl said that one of the attackers accused the ukrainians of disobeying the russian language, and when she saw that one of the

girls started filming, she tried to knock the phone out of her hands. well and on the video you can hear how this man shouted in english, go home and die there, i will put you in your place, damn ukrainian. and then there is a russian word that means female genital organ. the war in ukraine is not their war, how do they treat peaceful ukrainian refugees who were forced to leave for the swiss confederation, the video can be viewed on the telegram channel of sonchkovskaya, a person from zurich who left there was confused, and returning to the issue of the ban on visas for russians, it will only be about talking will there be a real result of this initiative, because well, in the plot it was even said that the germans are against, for example, the ox of beans, there are about a million voters, yes or no voters who have the status of permanent residence in germany by russian-speaking citizens of russia or

ethnic russians, they probably won’t take it very well, france, italy, in the plot it was said that they will get used to russians with money who come and buy things there or some luxury items, who supports the baltic countries and other countries in this well in this initiative, and who is not , in your opinion, well, if i understood your question because i don’t speak ukrainian that well, but i would say yes, i think we will be able to convince our western colleagues to follow. e example of the baltic countries. because it also happens in our country that we give visas to these people who , as it were, are fighting the regime, but it turns out that they support the regime, and we check these guests. if we find such

facts, we will close visas and create their countries , even today, here is the parliament, when our session opens, we will discuss the law to take away the lithuanian citizenship of some people who work now, even now , even in our regime there are some traitors who go to moscow and skate there at all kinds of sporting events, we will initiate legislation to take away lithuanian citizenship from such people, not even lithuanians, let alone russian. these are the lithuanian figure skaters who performed in in russia, at some

celebration of the russian political elite, i understood correctly. how would these be our olympic champions? we took the state award from them , but we think that it is necessary to go even further. or supports the regime, and not only in this case , it is necessary to take away citizenship, they are not ours, she is not, they are not our family, if they are on the side of the regime that destroys you, thank you very much, very correct , normal, adequate position of lithuania. thank god, the helminth from the pavilion is enough a giant