there is an academic year that will unfortunately be decisive in this sense, because there were women traveling with children. these children go to kindergartens and schools. they left for the middle of the last academic year. someone started studying there. eh nationals there the first little bit otherwise they will go to schools and after that it will be extremely difficult to get them to come back but now i will say a very unpopular thing but i have to say you know we have to fight not so much for their return as for the formation of such, you know, mr. ukrainian universe, we are talking with you about ukraine, everything will be

ukraine yes, it is very popular, it has faded, so let 's stick to it let's try to make it so that any person of ukrainian origin who is outside ukraine feels like a ukrainian patriot or patriot, let's strive for that that even those who were born in the states, in germany, in poland, i don't know anywhere else, and consider themselves ukrainians, so that they keep this sense of ukrainianness if they are in ukraine the economic situation will be normal, not only ukrainians will return, these foreigners will come here, and whether we want to admit it or not, migration is the driving force of civilization

, it has been since the days of the roman empire, i don't know, nothing has changed . this will not work anyway, people will change , but we can try to help our compatriots who go to other countries feel like ukrainians, so that these foreigners who come to ukraine to work, felt like well, i don’t dream about ukrainians, but still tangential to ukraine, and then we will be able to use migration in our interests, and the desire to ban something, i’m afraid that it will lead to nothing. once again, i apologize, i understand that it is not

correlates with the mainstream of today's society, unfortunately, this is correct, well, it's true, and we understand that people still, well, women in this case, who went abroad, will take care of the safety of their children and will be there with them as long as this well, it will be safe here, the problem is not that they will give there until it is safe, the problem is a little different, if you talk about these people, they will be there as long as it is safe, until returning to ukraine ceases to be dangerous, but during this time, if it continues enough thought, they will find a job there, they already have one, their children will attend kindergartens, schools, this is necessary. and they will adapt there, thanks to their work, they will be able to rent a normal house, and if

their house is destroyed here in kharkiv, that is a lot of people who has moved out because the house is destroyed, they don't have a job in ukraine, but there they have a housing job, so please tell me where their husbands will go, where will the reunification of families take place, there or here, the answer is obvious . of internally displaced persons in ukraine from east to west east in the center of ukraine from the north of ukraine 3 million uah were registered who went to the north the north means ukraine if if we take the east luhansk and donetsk then the north in to my understanding, this is kyiv, this is volyn, this is the rivne

region, no, this is in the northern regions of ukraine. i am not talking about belarus or the northeast . in the east of ukraine will rebuild this structure of society in general in ukraine, that is, when territorial resettlement, you know, the issue here is not only that it is destroyed here, the issue is much deeper, but the issue is that, i repeat again, our aggressive neighbor it will not change anywhere, what we should do in order to and

should we do it in order to well, let's say in kharkiv oblast there, in chernihiv oblast, production developed, the economy, people settled, kharkiv is kharkiv because, well, it is the technological capital of ukraine and it is rather i hope that it will develop i do not now about kharkiv and about kharkiv region i hope that chernihiv will be revived, i am not convinced about chernihiv region, we must understand that we want to do this one issue, that is, with these territories bordering russia and belarus, mainly with russia, this is the first and second question, how do we imagine , we will say, develop strategic

productions that were near the borders with russia. is it better to transfer them somewhere ? production, these are the three questions i ask myself all the time, i don't have the answers to them, and i'm categorically against turning, say, kharkiv into a gray zone. but what to do there? it's 40 km to the border. the answers to these questions

bother me much more than the infrastructure, the infrastructure can be rebuilt, we will rebuild it. the question is where and how to rebuild it. i absolutely agree with you because, well, all industry, heavy industry, was concentrated in the east and in the central part of ukraine, if you take large enterprises, giants those who worked in the donetsk and luhansk regions, as well as in the south of ukraine, now we have, unfortunately, the situation. to articulate at least the prime minister of ukraine because the prime minister is talking about what he is considered and well, you are now acting as the prime minister, so i appeal to the prime minister to also think about it if ella libanova about it he thinks that the one who

manages the economy directly is also the people who are indifferent to ukraine. they are not indifferent. they are trying to invent it. it is not very difficult. it is just asking questions but looking for answers, but it is quite obvious that ukraine will also be different after our victory, and we must in a completely different way to treat state institutions and those people who work in these state institutions, well, relatively speaking, after our victory, there should be no corruption in ukraine, in my opinion, inefficient institutions, which state institutions that cannot manage, uh, volunteers replace these institutions in order to bring some ammunition please, can i have a question ? tell me, please, where will this corruption

go if we? i will say right away that i do not have such godfathers, unfortunately or fortunately, but we need to be sober and evaluate the prospects of our country, because when in the course of the war, a congressman of sparts, a former citizen of ukraine, says that we must trust, we must see people who do we give weapons to? who do we give money to? i am most afraid that after our victory, we can get back on the same rails we were on when help comes here. we will start rebuilding the country, and as a result, they will start sawing money again.

you can bet on what you want in private conversations, let's talk about it, no one will give us money just like that, they will give us money under control, just like they didn't give it to germany, just like they gave it to france, just like that and for us, even more so, there will be strict control of serious western structures, i don't know if it will be the british or someone else, i wanted it to be the british, but this is already my personal opinion, and if this does not happen at the first stage and if our civil society, as it is today, understands its power and responsibility, it will not be left behind. and i i don't see any prospects for it to concede its position, what you are

talking about will not be restored. i think that we will immediately, that is, my understanding is that we will be able to overcome corruption quite quickly at the highest level, but there will be a problem with it, it is not even corruption, it is thanks to bribes at the lower level it will be more difficult from here. well, at least it seems so to me. do you agree with the opinion that the political situation and political players and political parties that existed before february 24 should behave differently already after six months of war and in general evaluate yourself and the situation around you in a different way, and accordingly, ukrainians should already care or have a greater choice of those parties of political

leaders that they can trust, to what extent it will change, in my opinion, we just have to get rid of those remnants of infantility, which in general distinguished us don't understand what you need to vote well, according to the understanding of the program, we should demand from those who go to the elections a program not just incomprehensible promises, it's all good against all the bad, but specific programs, what are you going to do, do you want pensions, ok for the increase of taxes, the increase of the retirement age, at the expense of what? explain, and then probably all this is just an example, you know , you can

name two dozens of such critical examples in five minutes. we just have to behave differently, choose differently, then we will be able to demand something else from the government , because today if we vote, it is not known how and i did not understand, well, that is, we have what we have, and in fact, this is a problem of democracy in general, it is very, very easy to organize elections for a totalitarian it is much more difficult for a democratic society ,

much more. we will be europeans in the european union, we will be respected members, we will have a fiercer army in europe, where are you going, ms. allo , during the war, sociology does not publish presidential ratings maybe measures, i don’t know, you can probably say for sure yes, no, not really, by modern measurements, everything is very difficult, well, it’s difficult to spray here. look, we don’t know how many people there are in ukraine , we really don’t know. well, here i am even less than you, we know how they are distributed on the territory of ukraine. that is, we do not have information about the general population, how to form a

qualified sample, this is the first, second, we have the number of refusals of these who, shall we say, are pro-russian? these are random refusals. i don’t know that when people answer our questions. please tell me they, er, klo, understand what they are being asked about, and fourth, the crazy wave of patriotism is old, god, what is it, but in the context of sociology , not every person is ready to express their doubts. origin with the mainstream and so on everything went in a circle in a circle well, you know, i can't help

but mention one person who says that she saw sociology regarding presidential ratings, this is the adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine arestovych, let's go let's listen to a small fragment that is simply discussed there during the last three or four days when he said that he can be the president and that his sociology that sociology shows the second result after zelenskyi we listen to the arrestee the president then i yes and then and then the hostage so popular i always knew honestly that you did not foreshadow both i always knew that i would be popular from childhood you would run for president well, there is already one candidate for president." and

well, see how much time you should have take place or pass from the moment of our victory and hmmm then when people consciously start electing the president and deputies of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but according to my feelings not very much the war forced us to grow up very quickly very quickly true and i, well, i, i am absolutely convinced of that that will take me back to my childhood, i don't know about it, i

'm not about it at all, i'm about the fact that in ukraine, despite the fact that we have a de jure parliamentary-presidential republic, de facto it is at least a presidential parliamentary republic and er during the war this is very good. maybe it would be better if it were just presidential, but in peacetime, i don’t know , we need to think about it, but i wouldn’t be there, i don’t think that ukrainians will vote today, well, it’s unknown for what, i still hope that we will to vote for a person who has his own team, i don’t know how well i understood you, you

wanted to say that ukrainians will stop voting for tv characters who are born and will vote here, the questions did not even have time for the characters. what is the difference, is it a tv character or is it some other character who promises a bright future tomorrow and communism in 1980 well, what is the fundamental difference if we do not have enough sense not to vote for it or is there a danger that we can slide into autocracy or authoritarianism i think no, what do i it is not inherent, it is authoritarianism, well, listen, well, the hetmans were taken out when they were not liked.

you know where they will be evaluated, but they said that these cossack genes are strangely reflected in today's society, but this applies to the army, but after that i began to think, in fact, it is not only the army, it is generally applicable to everything. that is why ukrainians, unlike belarus, by the way , are not ready to obey any person. the first is the hetman. this is who is there. the first secretary is who is there . tsar, i do not know, we are not ready, we do not agree on this, and it seems that there are certain genetic foundations that we

simply do not understand today. because i i still remember the revolution for us on granite and on asphalt yes yes yes well, i mean that anyway ukrainians with the maidan are like a collective body of civil society that decides and gathers at the best moments of the personification of civil disobedience and not only disobedience because the maidan is already decided what the country would be next, it's not just disobedience, right, who are they? well, yes, unfortunately , i'll never forget all the prices, it's just that for me it was such an impression. it was the maidan on saturday and the maidan on sunday , the first maidan - these were students, do you want europe where

there are pop songs, uh, dances, and so on. on sunday, these were adults with completely different faces. and by the way, the maidan began at 12:00 until 3:00. not a single politician was on the maidan. people stood by themselves, that is, the politicians were again not ready. well, why am i talking about i am talking about the political system and the politicians of the future anyway. we will have to elect the president and the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and it is obviously much closer . we will not see those who we see now, or at least who were before february 24. what is the ukraine of the future in your understanding and in your imagination if possible, briefly educated, democratic, freedom-loving

, more or less wealthy, i say more or less because i understand that in the near future we will achieve this, but more or less fairly, this is critical , you know, laws can be different, but they must be binding for everyone, this is critically important if if this does not happen, then it will be very bad, because people know that corruption is a word that worries people that, roughly speaking, it stops two cars , one stops in the water, i get a fine and the other - and the violation of the rules was the same and this is critical

important i'm not talking about taxes, customs and everything else, and it seems to me that this is critical, important, thank you, mrs. ella, for the conversation . thank you for the conversation. i wish you good health. take care of yourself and your loved ones. friends, this was verda's program. serhii rudenko. we will meet with you tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. i will be visiting. volodymyra hryshko, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, let's talk about the international aspect, other situations in ukraine, russia, europe, visas that are being canceled for russians , in a word, it will be interesting, wait, watch the

espresso news and euro programs espresso for ukrainian refugees in europe, joint broadcast with the atp channel, radio svoboda programs , voice of america time-time programs, the inclusion of public television journalists, bbc news ukraine and france 24 news releases, as well as the broadcast of information of the marathon, the only news, together we are a force, glory to ukraine , we are looking for two sisters, yana and diana komarovsky, who disappeared in mariupol, with the help of the search, their sister alina contacted us immediately,

i want yana and diana, twin girls, 16 years old, alina is not but together with her sisters and lives in another city, however, since the beginning of the war, they constantly talked on the phone, and yana and diana told what horrors were happening in mariupol, and that they were told that it was very scary that on the left bank there were bombs very often banging, they heard that something was so heavy a-a often they saw a lot of tanks in the area, there was a lot of shelling, but their side was not affected yet, but on april 2, the russians began shelling and bombing the area where the girls lived , and it was on this day that they finally managed to get in touch with their sister. on the second of april, we they

got in touch with them at 6 in the morning. when they wrote to me that they said that the city center is very bomb prone and there was a bomb nearby. and they said that they have lost contact since then, yana and diana have not been able to get in touch by phone. disabled in social networks and they do not respond to the messengers, although there is information that actually inspires hope, let's listen to one woman. yes, she told me that the last time she saw their grandmother and the girls was april 22. also, this woman told the line that the house where the girls lived was hit by a projectile, moreover , it hit right in their driveway, but i wasn't with diana and their grandmother at that moment, luckily, she wasn't home." according to this woman, they moved to

some man, and the man lives in an honest house, i asked to ask what kind of man he is at least he can say where they are located, they said that it is near the central vegetable market and more and more, i did not find any information about them at all, and although this information is important to say for sure whether it is true at the moment, unfortunately, it is impossible at the same time. we know for sure that yana lived with diana lived separately from his daughters at 25 kazantseva street, but also in mariupol, and their father's name is serhii pikalov, so probably his sisters can be with him now. also, we know the name of pikalov's grandmother tetyana the mykolaiv woman hoped to the last that a shell would not fly into their house, their grandmother

spoke to the last, i already contacted her and said if you don't want to, uh, move somewhere in that house, he's old, i say let's come to us, we'll move you we will take or leave for half of putin, we will meet somehow and take away from you and your grandmother, oh, your child, god, what, but she said that there is no house or the whole of us yet, hmm, and i will not leave my house, she stayed by her side until the last house behind her apartment so that she does not want to leave her. alina really hopes and believes that her sisters are alive and well. she says that probably you were not able to leave occupied mariupol and asks for your help in searching for them. my twin sisters are unrecognizable. difficult. if at least someone has seen or knows some information, please inform the child tracing service. i will be very grateful