oh and they agreed to a number of qualified jobs, they agreed to a lot of things to do , and people with a high level of education left here, the germans talk about the fact that 70% of our world about the fact that our women are competitive in those labor markets where did they come from professions and honestly saying well they all talk about they have dignity, they do not agree to a job that does not satisfy them and

today the image of a ukrainian is being formed as a ukrainian woman, perhaps as an image of a representative of freedom-loving , democratic, highly educated, qualified a smart nation that is not inferior to anyone and our children also who enter european schools and demonstrate our children after the fourth grade, the children correspond to the programs of the fifth grade there, well, considering what you say, ms. ella , how long will it take for people to adapt to that society and since time is needed so that we do not lose them, it is

practically one and the same time, you know, actually, i am afraid that the second academic year will unfortunately be decisive in this sense, because women were driving with children. these children go to kindergartens. they left for the middle of the last school year. someone started studying there. it is difficult to get them to return. but now i will say a very unpopular thing. but i have to say, you know

, we have to fight not so much for their return, but for the formation of such, you know, mr. ukrainian universe, we are talking to you about ukraine will always be ukraine. yes, it is a very popular slogan in our country, so let's stick to it. let 's try to make any person of ukrainian origin living outside of ukraine feel like a ukrainian patriot. i don't know where else anywhere and they consider themselves ukrainians so that they preserve this feeling of ukrainianness, if the economic situation in ukraine will return to normal, not only ukrainians will come here

foreigners, whether we want to admit it or not , migration is the driving force of civilization, the development of civilization, it has been since the days of the roman empire. we can try to help our compatriots who go to other countries feel like ukrainians, so that these foreigners who come to ukraine to work feel like themselves well, i don't dream about ukrainians, but still tangential to ukraine and then we will be able

to use migration in our interests, and the desire to ban something, i am afraid that it will lead to nothing. people anyway, women in this case who went abroad will take care of the safety of their children and will be there with them as long as it will be safe, the problem here is not that they will be there touching it will be safe, the problem is in a little differently, if you are talking about these people, they will be there as long as they are safe, until returning to ukraine ceases to be dangerous, but during this time, if it lasts long enough, i think they will find a job there, they already have it, their children

will attend kindergartens, schools, this is necessary a they will adapt there thanks to their work, they will be able to rent normal housing, and if their housing is destroyed here in kharkiv, there are many people who have moved out because of the fact that the housing is destroyed, they do not have work in ukraine, but there they have housing work, please tell me where their husbands will go, where family reunification will take place, there or here, the answer is obvious . so, the panel is still there. we have a large number of internally displaced persons in ukraine from east to west, east in the center of ukraine, from the north of ukraine, registered 3 million hryvnias who went to the north, the north means ukraine, if

we take the east of luhansk and donetsk, then the north, in my opinion, is kyiv, this is volyn, this is the rivne region, no, it is in the northern regions of ukraine, i i not about belarus and not about the northeast, now i am talking about a figure of 6 million people who have moved, does this mean that the lack of all the infrastructure that has been destroyed in the east of ukraine will rebuild this structure of society in general in ukraine, that is, when is the current territorial resettlement, you know, the question here is not only that it has been destroyed here, the question is much deeper, and the question

is that, i repeat again, our aggressive neighbor will not change anywhere, what should we do in order to and should we do it in order to well, let's say kharkiv oblast there, in chernihiv oblast, production, economy, people settled, kharkiv is kharkiv because it is the technological capital of ukraine and it is rather i hope that it will develop i am not talking about kharkiv now, but about kharkiv oblast i hope that chernihiv will be revived i am not convinced about chernihiv oblast we must understand that we we want to do this with this one question, that is, with these territories

that border russia and belarus, mainly with russia, this is the first, second question, how do we imagine , we will say, develop strategic productions, are you near the borders with russia, is it better transfer them somewhere 3. this is the question: we will focus on large enterprises before, or we will try to make a distributed system when the destruction of one sector does not mean the destruction of this production. to the gray

zone but what to do there. there are 40 km to the border. and the answers to these questions worry me much more than the infrastructure. the infrastructure can be rebuilt. we will rebuild it. the question is where is it ? to rebuild and how i absolutely agree with you because, well, all industry, heavy industry, was concentrated in the east and in the central part of ukraine, if we take large companies, giants, which worked in the donetsk and luhansk regions, as well as in the south of ukraine, now we have, unfortunately, a situation so, when these enterprises are destroyed and the issues you raise should obviously be articulated at least by the prime minister of ukraine , because the prime minister, you are now acting as the prime minister, so

i appeal to the prime minister to also thought about it, if ella libanova is thinking about it, then he who directs the economy is also looking for prices, well, the truth is, let's not think that there are people who are indifferent to ukraine. they are not indifferent. they are trying to invent something, it is not very difficult. but to look for answers, but it is quite obvious that after our victory, ukraine will also be different, and we must treat state institutions and those people who work in these state institutions in a completely different way, well, relatively speaking, after our victory, there should not be in ukraine, what do i think of the corruption of inefficient institutions, which state institutions, which cannot

manage, uh, volunteers are replacing these institutions in order to bring some ammunition, please. can i have a question ? tell me, please . it's bad, but the best man needs to be decided, if the need arises, i 'll say right away that i don't have such best men, unfortunately or fortunately, but we need to be sober and evaluate the prospects of our state, because when in the process wars, congressman sparts, a former citizen of ukraine talks about the fact that we have to trust, we have to see people, to whom do we give weapons, to

whom do we give money? we were when the help will come here we will start rebuilding the country and as a result they will start sawing money again no it won't happen listen i can wait uh-uh what do you want in private conversations let's talk uh no one will give us money just like that they will give us money under control or not they were given to germany just like they were given to france, just like that. and we will have strict control of serious western structures. i don’t know if it will be the british or someone else. i would like it to be the british, but this is already my personal opinion. and if this does not happen at the first stage and if our civil society, as it is today, has understood

both its power and its responsibility, it will not fall behind. and i see no prospects for it to concede its position, what you are talking about will not be restored. i think that we will immediately, that is, my understanding that we will be able to overcome corruption quite quickly at the highest level, but there will be a problem with it, it is not even corruption, it is so thanks to bribes at the lower level, it will be more difficult here. well, at least it seems so to me, do you agree with the opinion that the political situation and political players and political parties were until february 24, they have to behave differently already after six months of war, and in general

to evaluate themselves and the situation around them differently, and accordingly, ukrainians should already care about or have more choice of those political parties leaders that they can trust, how much will it change, in my opinion, we just have to get rid of those remnants of childishness that distinguished us in general. promises are all good against all bad and specific programs what are you going to do you want to pay pensions okay at the expense of what increase in taxes raising the

retirement age at the expense of explain and then probably all this is just an example you know you can name two dozen such critical examples in 5 minutes. we just have to behave differently, choose differently, then we will be able to demand something else from the government, because today if we vote, it is not known how it will be understood. well, that is, we have what we we have and in fact this is a problem of democracy in general, it is very, very easy to organize elections in a totalitarian society, in a democratic one it is much more difficult , much more it depends on the mood of the society and therefore much more depends on the means of

we have mass media, the behavior of the political players themselves, a lot depends on the experts, we are simply not used to it yet, but we will get used to it gradually, well, where will we go, we will be europeans, we will be in the european union, we will be respected members, we will have a more influential army in europe, where are you going ms. hello, during the war, sociology does not publish presidential ratings, maybe it measures, i don’t know, you can probably say for sure. we know how many people in ukraine we really don't know , maybe yes, more or less estimation of the number,

but regarding the sex-age structure. well, here i am even less than you, we know how the territories of ukraine are distributed. that is, we do not have information about the general population, how to form a qualified sample, this is the first, second we have a number of refusals , those who say they are pro-russian refuse. are these accidental refusals? i don’t know. when people answer our questions, please tell me , do they understand what they are being asked if fourth, the crazy wave of patriotism is old, god knows what it is, but in the context of sociology , not every person is ready to express their

doubts, not of origin with the mainstream and so on. everything went in a circle in a circle. well, you know, i can't help but mention one person who says that she saw sociology regarding presidential ratings, this is the adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine arestovych, let's listen to a small fragment that is just being discussed there during the last three or four days, when he said that he could be president and what is his sociology that sociology shows the second result after zelenskyi we listen to the arrestee the president then i yes and then and then the hostage tell me, did you ever think you would be so popular i always knew that i would be popular since childhood you will become president well, there

is already one candidate in the presidency "." well , see how much time according to you should take place or pass from the moment of our victory and hm, then when people deliberately start electing the president and deputies of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. i am not a political scientist it is better to ask, but according to my feelings, there is not much. the war forced us to grow up very quickly, very quickly. the truth is that i, well, i, i am absolutely

convinced that we will not go back to childhood. that in ukraine, despite the fact that we have a de jure parliamentary-presidential republic, de facto it is at least a presidential parliamentary one, and er, during war, this is very good . i wouldn't be there, i don't think so that ukrainians will vote today, well, in the elections , it is not known for what, i still hope that we will vote for a personality who has

his own team, i do not know how well i understood you, you wanted to say that ukrainians will stop voting for tv characters who are born and will vote here, the question was carried characters. what is the difference? to vote or whether there is a danger that we can slide into autocracy or authoritarianism,

i think not strangely enough, they are reflected in today's society, this applies to the army, but after that i began to think, in fact, it does not only apply to the army, it generally applies to everything. that's why ukrainians, unlike belarus, by the way, from russians are so unwilling to obey any person, the first is the hetman. this is who is the first secretary, then this. i don't know. we are not

ready. we understand but we have to realize how far we have such genes, at least not even two maidans, but three maidans, because i still remember the revolution for us on granite and on asphalt yes yes yes well, i mean that ukrainians anyway with maidan maidan is like a collective body of civil society, which decides and gathers at the best moments of the personification of civil disobedience and not only disobedience, because the

maidan has already decided what will happen next for the country. saturday and the maidan, sunday , the first maidan - these were students, do you want a europade, have a butt , songs, dances and so on. sunday, it was adults with completely different faces. and by the way, the maidan began at 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. there was no politics on the maidan, the people stood by themselves, that is, the politicians were again not ready. well, why am i talking about the political system and the politicians of the future , that we will have to elect the president and the verkhovna rada of ukraine anyway, and obviously much closer we will not see those we see now or well, at least what they were before february 24, so

what is the ukraine of the future in your understanding and in your imagination, if you can briefly, and educated , democratic, freedom-loving, more or less prosperous, i say more or less because i understand that in the near future in the future i will achieve this, but it is more or less fair, this is critical, you know, the laws may be different, but they must be mandatory for everyone , this is critically important, if this does not happen, it will be very bad, because you know people, corruption is a word that worries people, what roughly speaking, he stops

two cars, one stops in the water, i get a fine, and the other - and the violation of the rules was the same , and this is critically important. i am not talking about taxes , customs and everything else. and it seems to me that this is critically important, thank you, ms. ella, for conversation it was ella libanova, professor, doctor of economic sciences, academician of the national academy of sciences of ukraine, director of the institute of demography of social studies of the national academy of sciences of ukraine. thank you for the conversation. i wish you good health . take care of yourself and your loved ones. we will meet with you at 1:00 p.m. volodymyr hryshko, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, will be my guest, we will

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