what will happen to weapons, will they be legalized, and what nuances will the new law contain? well, we're going to take a little pause on this, because right now the chronicle of the information war with olga lazy is the one we're giving the floor to. congratulations lesya, congratulations well, literally in a moment we'll talk about visas and other things that are currently relevant for russian propaganda. look, in recent days, russian propagandists have lost their spirit, and one of the subjects of dmitry kiselyov's sunday program should be given as an antidote to all those who suddenly start telling what the flower is getting tired of something from ukraine, er, it shows that everything is just the opposite, the world's position on the russian war is becoming more clear and definite, well, this is evidenced by the fate of, for example

, the former head of the ministry of foreign affairs of austria, karen kneisel. well, it is instructive after her resignation from the austrian government and until may of this year, she worked in the board of directors in russia, and this is what came out of it, see foreign affairs of austria, he invited everything to her wedding. i was forced to leave my husband and get a divorce in france. where i expected karin to settle and they didn't even open a bank account, in the end i found a refuge in a

cast figure. they called me a russian pig, a russian prostitute, and i could no longer work in austria. french nonsense. now the owners of my house interviewed them and they literally said don’t let her on the doorstep, and what’s most interesting personally , no one contacted me like that, yes. my name was on the black list, and this is even a domestic resolution of the european parliament. when they adopted me sanctions in austria, the newspaper was bombarded with headlines, cheers, karen's assets to naysal will be confiscated, what kind of wealth did they want to confiscate - this is a house for €120,000, a house on which i earned money for 12 years long before i started working with someone, who at least how are you connected россии that's the way it is in principle. it happens when you start contacting to work with russia, and i think it's an interesting story, because before russian tv didn't

talk about such things, on the contrary, they said that the whole world is with them, only some of them are separate. they against russia, but now it turns out not, but you see , even in austria, which we usually consider very pro-russian, they simply expelled their politician from the country, of course i understand that lebanon is france, but on the other hand, lebanon is not russia, for some reason she did not go to russia, it is very interesting, the truth. well, what is e more than that. now more and more russians are saying that the situation is getting tense. why is it suddenly after six months of war? but nevertheless , it is getting tense right now. listen , not only russia but all russians in latvia are being isolated. lithuania has declared our country a sponsor of terrorism , estonia has closed russia's border with

a schengen visa, which it itself issued because of all its efforts, it is trying to make the ban spread to all of europe . peace pochemu vy also don't do it with russian tourists that we overlooked something, we didn't take care somewhere, we missed the initiative, the announcement of the russians is already in fact a direct war against all russia - this say this, this means that the situation has escalated to the limit and it is necessary to understand that, well , the ban on the issuance of schengen visas to all russians may be part of the seventh package of european sanctions against russia. this topic does not appear on russian tv, they are very actively discussing it, i used to show such quite literal screams in previous programs

that this is not a genocide of russians, but it continues even now. especially since, in addition to conversations, there are already for example, our baltic friends are taking action. look how estonia decided it. estonians suddenly decide to cancel schengen visas issued at their borders . it is clear that the system common to the european union. the passport remains, but the owner of such a russian passport is now automatically subject to estonian sanctions. what does it mean that it is impossible to cross the border ? the exemption is canceled for the time being for diplomats, truck drivers and the closest relatives by nationality, all the rest as they say from the beach indiscriminately well, this is not enough, it is better never

on the border of estonia without any nato based simply on suspicions that are not visible to anyone, it is canceled and schengen visas issued, for example, in france vecherknul simply we have passports, passports, visas, our schengen visas, and he said that everything is so that we don’t buy anything from their country. at the same time, the prime minister of estonia, kai kallas, officially calls on the eu to stop extorting tourists from russians. europe's privilege, not human rights, estonia sets a precedent, tallinn follows zelenskiy, calls on all countries to stop tourism from russia, stop pushing out schengen, and those who still have it, close it. not in brussels. there is still no

unified position on visas for russians. ukloncheva but there is no condemnation of the estonian experience. to the european union, then moscow will immediately respond in a mirror to whom it will make happy, we will not catch up , no one needs escalation well, suddenly, escalation turned out to be so terrible well, why is this somehow perceived in russia as some kind of new stage of escalation, let's talk with georii chizhov - this is political scientist, head of the center for the promotion of reforms eh and actually well, also a citizen of russia eh hello george

the ban on visas, well, the russians are beginning to understand what kind of world they have found themselves in, and they thought that it was my war, it was somewhere in ukraine, and they are not here. and now they are like jokes about it, and we are, of course, the vast majority of russians, no one was in that schengen and they won't feel any changes in candy, but the russian so-called elites in the russian so-called journalists who serve uh-uh all this gnats uh-uh they now understand that the civilized world is not happy with them and will not be happy in the coming years, that's why it's so completely natural reaction well, by the way, there is an interesting thing, as i

say, i was just struck by the fact that almost all russian tv shows talk about these visas, although they themselves say that 70% have never left russia, but there is an interesting statistic - in russia, let's look at it, because well, because it shows how it happened there in the last year, let's look at the statistics, millions of people went, and so on. what do the numbers mean in the first quarter of the 22nd year? and the ministry of development law 3 million 880 000

people left in the first quarter of 22 man, the number is not really the smallest, but here it is necessary to clarify who these 776,000 people are, because it is possible, those are the people i admire forever, they work for a russian company. predely families left, but relatives did not break ties, but there are those who really left. that's how they say on permanent residence almost forever, and the current is observed, in particular, among it professionals in the spring. russia won 15,000 dollar millionaires out of 101,000. well, it seems that you don't know much, but there are military actions going on in ukraine. yes, they are bombing there and everything is happening, but at the same time, three and a half million people left ukraine, well, that is, practically

the same number of tourists left russia, i don’t know, maybe for some other purposes. if you compare it with, for example, 2021 , the total crossing of borders by russians during the year was 21 million and four tenths, and in before the 19th year, in general, 48 million border crossings, well, this is in all directions, not only in zakhidony, it is not so little, in fact, it is obvious that this does not mean that it is 70 there in the 19th year, 78 million people left russia to and fro drove, but it's enough, even if it's constant the same people. that is, it is so active , active bones, and it basically shows that the russians used it enough, that is, it is not only a matter of the deep people sitting in russia, it doesn’t matter to him, it is probably not to the

end, anyway but uh, still, i am surprised by the fact that well, not what is even surprising, i don’t know, well, some kind of misunderstanding even by the opposition of this story, because uh, here is the reaction of part of the russian opposition and the reaction of part of the russian propagandists, they are direct sometimes even in words coincide even if look at the last of what ksenia sobchak said, what if you don't let us go? so what's left for us ? this reaction of the opposition is also very violent. all the innovations can be described in one word. poor and this is quite understandable, that is, people who are against

putin and against the war. it is a little unpleasant that they are equated with other fellow citizens who support this war, but many already understand. what is it logically, it should be so, especially since europe does not cancel the possibility of obtaining a long-term visa for those who are escaping putin's regime, but those russians who considered themselves integrated into europe now, well, they are moved, and europe does not want to see them at least as accurate, well, this is the impression, you know, that um, it was like that

, uh, how in the world, everyone was waiting for something like in the 14th year, that there was a war going on somewhere, and the attitude would be, well, like that, well , all the same, there are good people there and in in principle, there was even i think there was even such a company for to maintain such an attitude in the world that the russian government is somewhere separate, but the russian people are somewhere separate. how do you think it was successful? what did it fail to maintain ? a good russian will appear in an empty place o-o-o there are many russians who started an anti-war e-e movement in europe, here they had an

envelope in the right, but in general those who remain in russia yes they say that it is necessary to divide the fate e -e of my people, er, i'm sorry, maybe it will be easier about to switch to russian so that it would be better and faster, it is from these russian peoples, so there are so many christians who stayed at home, how would they not explain that they cannot abandon the country in the troubled period, and they do not begin to understand that they are really in the same boat anyway they can't do anything in russia if they say they want something a little louder and immediately take to prison the one who remains to speak, let's allow local self -government. i can't say, i love public declarations on the

topic of war on the topic of ukraine, they are punishing themselves, that's why they actually stayed in russia. there, the opposition is russian and they are actively discussing it on russian tv channels, they quote everything, let's show it, let's see. well, it's so interesting, actually, let's take a look. moral you know when we understand that people were forced to flee ukraine, some of them stay there, fight for their lives, fight for their homes, while the people of the country that is at war can still travel

freely, and enjoy all the amenities of the free world against which they are essentially fighting their government is great, and yours is excellent, but the russian position, at least part of it, says that these visa restrictions prevent people from leaving the eu for security reasons. a political activist who now faces long prison terms in russia in this way. they say that in fact you are playing into the hands of putin. i wouldn't say that. lithuania is an example of that. here to people who are running away from the persecuted, and again i mean that we must answer the second question with which russia do we want to do business in the future, the one with how would two countries so to speak for one dictatorial

people who decided to stay there remain and still the rest are those who are against the war and those who adhere to democratic values, they left, this is already a reality, these two russias are already realities, not necessarily. i would not say that. you know when we say that even if there were five 10% of people opposing the war in russia, there would already be millions of people talking. do you want these millions to be inside russia or outside of it ? i still believe that changes are happening from within. and if we believe that in the future we are waiting for a democratic russia, and the decision will be internal, and mostly you will leave those five and seven 15 who knows how many percent , georgiy. well, you see, here is such a categorical position. what do you think, anyway? and what can they do ? the people who remain inside russia, does anything at all depend on them, i will say in

my opinion, as of today, they can’t do anything. because they have divided, they have no tools for civil life in russia, they will have a chance if the russian people are divided, if parts of the elite will understand that they are not on their way with putin, then at least there will be something again, but today you have done with the people what he wants, and we understand that more likely, the armed forces of ukraine something the front will be on the line and the request will be suppressed with sanctions about what is happening inside russia, there will be some kind of explosion in the same moscow in the same petersburg, which, however, you are afraid of, that is why people are not sent from moscow to petersburg to the front and in general they are asked to support them there like she was before the large-scale invasion on february 24 for example, well, discontent, how can

elites appear, that is, what kind of elites can we talk about in general, for example, can some regional elites become such that they oppose themselves to putin and his entourage, is it possible or not, i’m just asking why because you took a very large part uh, well, at one time, in consulting there during the elections, when they were still in russia, and in principle, i worked precisely in the regions with the regional elites . 90s, the beginning of the zero years, in principle, it was different because each region was built as small as it was against the state, there was a political process, and under putin, all this was deliberately turned upside down, that is, there as a result,

people from moscow are appointed to higher posts in the regions, not necessarily muscovites, but they, one way or another, are transferred from the center of the governors to the leaders of the ministry of local governments, and as a result, all these regional elites are also under the ochen with serious fsb control, and it is also very difficult to consolidate because there are very many of these very varangians in uniform, and therefore now there is more hope, already in honor of the federal elite, for those very rich people who are used to working as in russia and living as in europe, and here is the possible wisdom of this decision to ban tourist troops, also in the fact that it will be very difficult for them now, they will either have to leave russia for good and put the church in doubt about the state of their replenishment and their earnings either they need to change something in the country, otherwise it turns out that they cannot introduce the usual

way of life. they have money, they have levers, they have understanding. how to undermine this from the inside. by the way, how much now is this state, as if the normalization of war is widespread inside, how do you assess it? because, well, it means that to what extent do they have the impression that no, well somehow it will get better because, for example, when i was watching all these broadcasts, i also noticed the thought that oh, come on, there, well, the transfer office will cancel our visas, but there remains france , germany, italy, and they will give us there, and we will go anyway the positions of the largest countries where they have the most assets have not yet been

determined, again, they did not try to include what is there until hungary is there, after all the other schengen countries refuse to give third-party visas, so hungary is celebrating an increase there the payment depended. two will make money on it, but i think that if the european position will be consolidated after all, and in europe there will be an understanding that in order to end the war as soon as possible, there must be such sanctions against all russians, and maybe there will also be sober it means uh because the first half of the war is full-scale they didn't have enough to understand no it won't work this time oh this time russia sees the defeated from this war and its citizens especially those who didn't declare their uh harshly the anti-vain position they will suffer in any case. well, we have one such piece, too, which is just about this, about this feeling that nothing is happening, so let's

see what kind of people there are, how do you seem to be? it's a special military operation - it's somehow well, what's there, the easy one is talking about syria, that's how he 's putting all of this in there. mira so it seems to me that the request will be presented in such a way that in general it is well, as if nothing happens personally, well, in the age of the internet, it is taken care of, well, krym is understandable there, but the exit from ukraine of the average is probably the mass is the mass, and frankly , saboteurs can be themselves in general, according to me, here, how there would be an illusion that this is the border of champagne, against military actions near to

the tetom, everything can be done, in general, they will announce a regime there. curfew, it's all terrible, terrible, but to sum it up, we don't have much time left there. what should be the actions, well, apart from this introduction of visas, what should be the actions that would pose the question to russian society , what well, yes, you are waging a war and it will not be so easy for you. you have to decide something . the sanctions policy of the west must continue. it makes sense to search for the assets of those russians who in one way or another cooperate with the military machine, whether ideologically or there . military production is provided with something and introduces point sanctions, not against putin's immediate entourage with him. it's all been clear for a long time, but against the broad circles that support the pressure, i consider it a war because all

people will also gradually get there. sanctions do not work as quickly as i would like. yes they have a lot of holes, again, i hope that the competent authority of the european countries studies these holes and thinks how the twist is. unfortunately, this is a very long story, of course, we would like the war to end quickly, but the sanctions are not fast. they work especially against such a huge country, eh. but if we are at this point, i think we will see the results already the first time, probably by the end of this year. sure, thank you. it was georgy chizhov, a political scientist, the head of the center for promoting reforms. well, the result is actually ours, what we saw now it is such a definite turning point and this is generally a visa issue. how strange it is. in this context, it is one of those, well, even , well, you know, decisive, that is, it can become

such an indicator that the world and europe, and most importantly, the russians will understand that this is not some you know, a war that is a limited special operation and it is somewhere separate in which we will destroy everything on the territory of ukraine and we will not have anything to worry about because it will become clear that it will affect everyone in russia if they do not stop it immediately well, let's see, i would like to because now this is about this package of sanctions and i would like there to be some solution, at least if not the european union in general, then it should be at the level of at least every government to ban tourist visas, no matter how funny it sounds, but it will become such an indicator that for russians in general, this is a toxic story russians in general are toxic and everything russian in general is toxic

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