and it provokes the fact that the second frog that is being boiled, something that is not talked about much, this is the european frog, this is the readiness of european societies to take tougher steps . it is clear that if there had been tougher support at the very beginning, we would have been in ukraine several times over because it would have saved part of life and part of the infrastructure, and perhaps it would really allow to solve the situation earlier. it is clear to everyone in ukraine and in the neighboring countries that russia is afraid of the power of small lithuania, as demonstrated by closing kaliningrad. the czech republic by providing tanks to ukraine finland and sweden, joining nato on all these positions, russia declared that if this happens, it will never forgive this and will act harshly and somehow no one imagines how terrible it is. i am not talking about the cruiser moscow, about cotton in the crimea and many others of the so-called red lines that russia constantly throws into the distance and show and supposedly it has so wide these red lines

and far in these circumstances europeans also needed to undergo a certain evolution of their feeling towards russia towards ukraine and the perception of this the situation and what the europeans are ready for now, in addition to the situation economically and with inflation in the social sphere, which european society found themselves in. if it happened suddenly, this collapse is infectious, because it is possible that there would not be such a unity of the west, and that is why there is strength in europe as well and wider in the west, who support ukraine, they are constantly balancing on two fields, one is nuclear blackmail of russia, and the other is the electoral mood and the growth of protests in western societies themselves, and they need not to break the seal in both of these cases and act all the time on the edge, but do not cross it yet. thank you, mr. yevgeny. look today, august 16,

autumn is approaching and it will be the most difficult heating season not only for ukraine but also for many countries of the european union . on television, videos about how to save money about how to use less hot water to be well, obviously soon they will be hardened there, they can be there from this russian legendary porphyry ivanov, what kind of advice dousing yourself with ice water while standing in the snow will be pulled, well, of course, this is a joke, but the fact remains that there is one criterion, one fact, which in my opinion is very important, putin does not depend on the results of the elections, on the word in general, just independence, that is, any alcoholic delusion of dmitry medvedev is not oppositional the activity

is true and navalny, who is creating a trade union in the colony, is also not an opposition activity, it is just another function of these people, so everything is clear enough here. he has enough broad support inside russia to say that there is any threat other than the palace a coup rather than a desperate attack by wagner's group , which is unhappy with its own losses in ukraine. well, except that, but everything else, well, this scenario is even less realistic, while any european or american politician who is in power depends on the results of the elections and ukrainian politicians depend on only we should have an understanding of the results of the elections that our elections will take place only after the end of the war, during the war there will be no elections in ukraine, this must also be clearly understood by everyone and, accordingly, politicians

westerners will act cautiously enough for one more reason. the war that is currently ongoing between russia and ukraine is the largest war in europe since 1945, the most extensive. neither is the previous course of the russian-ukrainian confrontation . in terms of scale, they cannot compete and the challenges are really very powerful, so we can expect that the west will accept everything right now. look at the position of olaf scholz regarding visas for russian citizens what other evidence do you need in order that there is not even this and the refusal of visas for russian citizens, well, first of all, it is not a touristic thing, it is

not a direct economic loss, it’s true. yes, but even on this issue there is no consensus. and you imagine that the leaders of nato countries made a decision about the fact that they will send a military contingent , that is, actually citizens with the risk of dying to ukraine, as far as i'm concerned, well, what exactly ? we understand that the americans have the ability to do this. we have seen the statistics of the operation of the method , that's all, uh, that's it, you understand, we

can. because look, there is a military field, there is a political and military field. of course, this would destroy part of the russian missiles, etc. but how could it blow up inside europe itself, we do not know how russia will take advantage of this, well, that is, we can also draw a hypothetical scenario, and it is not a fact that in of european unity, it would just make it possible to reach the level we have now, it is possible that it undermined more of the european crowd than it would have destroyed the russian fronts, you are from horlivka, this is a town in donetsk region, your small homeland is now occupied, british intelligence says that a referendum is being prepared on joining dnr to russia do you have any possible information, uh, firsthand, people there are happy because they will finally be with russia together, why are they not happy, why are they already with russia? well

, first of all, let's say it ourselves. people think believe me, people there don't think much during these 8 years, the propaganda has passed and people have clearly polarized those who support ukraine those who support russia and the first and the second there are also the majority of those who are simply marginalized simply by what i wish the war would end but everyone is absolutely offended because of that that everyone lives in extreme conditions of occupation with terror and everything. perhaps the general mood is such that people now do not care about any referendum, and i think that russia itself will imitate it even compared to the 14th year. there will be hyperemission because now it is already the standard to physically gather people in certain locations, people know very well who is shooting where, how provocations are made, people simply will not physically gather because they will be covered with a mortar in order to show a picture of how malicious punishers shoot supposedly peaceful people during the so-called referendum, and the second is that the russians will want to gather people in cups because the key topic is about which they are lucky to gather, only two people appear. the first thing they talk about is forced mobilization

the second thing he is talking about is the lack of water. the third thing is that the infrastructure is destroyed and there will be no work and no future in these territories. imagine if people gather in groups. and this immediately begins the desire in the crowd of russia. dispersed and that people should not gather at all, at least in small groups, because it immediately spins this flywheel of discontent, and they are there, it is crazy, don’t say it is big, it is really crazy, thank you for the conversation yevhen mach where director of the institute of world politics and oleg sahakyan, a political scientist and co-founder of the national platform for dialogue on peace and safe reintegration, were with us. it was interesting what oleg said about the fact that if people in the dpr are going to the cup, it is not in the hands of the russians, and this is precisely what distinguishes them. and in the dpr , they wanted to be in that russia. however, what distinguishes them from russians is that they gather in cups

and still express some of their opinions about what they think about this and that government, that is, how russians blindly love and praise putin and all that he they won't anyway, so let's move on and uh, we already have, let's talk a little about uh, security, nuclear security, about the situation at the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, which is captured by russian troops, and we will be in touch now mykola shteknberg chief ex-chief engineer of the actual chernobyl nuclear power plant and former head of the state committee on associated security, also for the past minister of fuel and energy of ukraine, and also with us are people from their lytvyn expert on atomic energy, gentlemen congratulations, glory to ukraine. tell us what to expect from what is happening on the soviet union, because

the information from there is always fragmented and alarming. they say that there was a radiation leak . dangerous. i do not have such information about a serious leak. what is happening is definitely a complete horror. there is no only way out of this situation. territory from the military of the russian federation, if, for example, there was talk of an emergency shutdown, what exactly does this blackout threaten, or is there any

uh-uh danger here, mykola, in your opinion, and also how uh-uh zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, for example , differs from the chernobyl nuclear power plant is it possible is it possible to have an accident of such a similar scale with such a similar release, for example, of radioactive substances from your last question, this is a completely different station, a second type. there may be 1,000 options, as i explained , the same car is such different drivers, and let’s say the ice drove onto the road . i don't know what i'm saying specifically, 3 minutes every time happens in zaporozhye, except for the

information that goes on the sites and it is not there in general, well, sometimes the old thoughts of the servicemen call, who, too, like you, got the information somewhere sideways, you have to continue with the firing line electric transmissions were shelled on the territory of the station, they were shelled on the territory of the spent nuclear fuel storage area. well, that’s all it was without eh. let’s say so, eh, to support the extremely undetermined state of the psychological state of people, and from my point of view, this is the main problem today, because the station it is based on the unjumping hundredths of the employees of zaporizhzhya as operators and repairmen of the foreman of the laboratory that ensures the safety of the existing blocks, the leadership like me i understand that the nuclear regulatory body was completely freaked out, the same thing. well

, everything refers to the fact that there is no communication link, and so on. the team does not work psychologically. it is possible to understand the situation. you sent me. you will return home. you don’t know whether you will find your family there or not. so that’s it. the conditions under which the operator works, here is every movement, every action of which can cause unforeseen consequences, this must be understood, too, all safety now lies on the shoulders of these guys. russian soldiers, whom it is possible not to talk to. and these are some of the beauties of the people of our zaporozhye people. they are on the shoulders of their states , a safe station and, in general, all of our common. or

uh, what happened, that is, nuclear terrorism is actually what russia is doing now, uh, at the gas station , holding everyone hostage and terrorizing uh, with shelling, uh, there are actually protocols like to act well in some similar situations in case of capture, for example, the station, i understand that they are under guard for a normal time, nevertheless , were there any optimal protocols in force in such a case, again the question of an emergency shutdown is it threatening, what does it add today, there is only one bottom station in the world and in one country has never calculated work in the conditions of hostilities. there are no means that can protect a nuclear power plant, as well as any other plant, any house, and so on. the effect of modern weapons. yes, something

it is possible to withstand machine-gun fire, and it is possible to withstand fire from tank guns, but bombs , rockets, and so on can withstand nothing. this should be understood. nuclear plants were never designed anywhere to work in combat conditions. there is additional protocol number one to the net convention. roughly speaking , the donetsk convention these are the rules of warfare that, in short, no one ever observes. in the zone, you already have an effect on them, weapons always lead to absolutely incredible consequences for the peaceful population, or the platinum is destroyed, well, imagine it will be destroyed today, we pay for kiev gas, hem it will not be cured in a few minutes , all the people who are there, this is

any platinum, the same this is my page oniski must be excluded from combat zones, well, war is war, it will find its own objects, so to speak, according to the law, ready or not, the situation of the military situation, well, i can return to the old stories of 35-40 years a long time ago when was that terrible soviet sex? yes, there were plans with all the leaders, and that is the case of the so-called personal period. if there are such plans or not, i don’t know. at least since january of this year. from the russian side of ukraine, i think that there should have been some absolutely strict and clear instructions to all managers, especially those of nuclear plants , and those special measures that should be taken to ensure the safety of these

объекты было это сделал no, i don't know the topic of the general conversation x the world says that it is very dangerous but it turns out that the world does not have any safeguards against that well from the situation that eventually developed in the zs this is indeed the case of safeguards i completely agree with mykola oleksandrovychemny correctly said that there are no safeguards to exist in the event of military action around or directly as is currently happening at the site of the zaporizhzhia npp, they do not exist and in general they cannot exist, as i have already said, the only possibility this is a completely militarized zone in the u.s. at a considerable distance from the station itself and effective u.s. hmm

multi-level anti-missile defense and air defense systems in this zone, definitely. this can and will be done in the event that russian troops are withdrawn, i actually want to say that the verkhovna rada also called on the world to punish the russian federation for these acts of nuclear terrorism. you know that yesterday a draft law was passed on the resolution of the appeal to the parliament of the governments of other states 301 the deputy voted for all of this, and er, and there it specifically talks about giving the opportunity for the security mission to come to this station. and in

response, today's statement by the russian foreign ministry actually says that this seems to me to be an undisguised threat about what will happen it is a dangerous, big risk for the mission of mogotei to go now from the npp and they would not recommend doing it. what if you buried it. but don't go through kyiv, here is a participant, briefly, of course, and you didn't ask yourself, except for advertising, hopeless money, which will be written down in the future biography that there are such harsher military conditions under the protection of the special forces that russia and ukraine were finished off by the zaporozhian ss further that what can be done by this person if he has not yet called the aggressor in this war the entire system of the

organization of the fire nations has failed completely all of this international bureaucracy, all of these politicians who will be remembered will already pass the organization, in my opinion, it is a shame that i fully agree with this point of view, none of the international organizations except for rammstein did not show its effectiveness. and because rammstein does not have a specific goal to win the war, and magadan, for example, has some real levers of punishment or some additional sanctions for russia that would be tangible. in my opinion, there is little to accept and will be accepted

for sanctions of the same plan of the same type, and there are no specific sanctions for them, except for russia, international agreements, especially international conventions, they do not have anywhere, there is no division articles of sanctions for violation of this electricity can be discussed, but there are no sanctions. and what should we do, then the property will stop winning the war for everything, trade, nothing , we need to wait. tell me, please. those people from the staff who hold it on their shoulders and like the atlantans uh and risk their health and their lives every day their

security uh or the russians who are also there uh they are not afraid of that radiation leak that e-e zs will not work as it should work , their health and lives are also at risk. solution at those levels and when you are a soldier, it doesn't matter which army in which country, that is an oath, you carry out commands and swear an oath. well, what can i ask, or will you ask the commander? ему ответ может

против ето he also understands it well, they are fools, and in fact there are specialists, russian specialists of the atomic bomb, who are not completely stupid like ordinary soldiers, they understand well, you understand , these people are criminals, that's right, i don't know that they violate the convention on protection of nuclear material, they protect the competition for nuclear security and a bunch of others who know it. criminals. for 15 years, they have been planted correctly, yes, he was carrying out a decree of 30 orders, and so on, sit down. and this is me, we are the

violators , but we are more than once. the opening of criminal cases criminal cases will not change anything in order for them to act effectively, they need to hold the hand of this vagabond, unfortunately, they are still talking when there are personal against the person charged with a criminal case , he will think about it a lot. well, the next one in the end, these people or at least their relatives or their family members might not go , for example this summer or just now somewhere in venice on vacation. to punish them in this way is also a possible option, and this is actually also, by the way, in this appeal of the verkhovna rada, which was adopted yesterday, the actual issue of personal sanctions for

the employees of the russian rosatom, which is involved in all these operations, do you understand, verkhovna rada, young people the decision there had to be made at least half a year ago, and there is a specialist, there is a general electron, there is a president of energodam, yes, there is a chairman of the nuclear regulatory commission, what are you doing? they should do it, these officials do their work, and that’s how they are responsible . finally, i asked him so that people would continue this opinion of his about the employees of rosatom, who are not so stupid as to fulfill some stupid orders or will they go on the path of suicide in the case of, well, in the worst case

, will some common sense still work in them, she is people, they have finished their thoughts, i would like four to the end, and what was in them did not work, it did not will work for one simple reason: no one listens to them at the political level of the leadership of the russian federation and at the military level of the leadership of the troops that have now seized the zaporizhia npp. therefore, practically nothing depends on them from this point of view, and they understand that there is a threat a more serious accident, a global accident, i knew, i will repeat, they are not stupid, but they do not solve anything, they only embody what they are commanded to do, this is really a crime, a crime to the full extent, a crime to the full extent, a conscious crime, but i will repeat myself, the decision is not

theirs, what is it? thank you very much, gentlemen, for this conversation for your expert assessment of what is happening now at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the largest ukrainian nuclear power plant, which is in the hands of a sick person who uses it for nuclear blackmail and provocations, and these are challenges that the world as it turns out, i will not be ready and the situation is developing in russia. we are also monitoring this. this is what we can currently do. something is happening in crimea. the occupiers have already confirmed that ammunition is really detonating under the jacket. i wonder if there are already reasons for this whole world. they put it out so that everything is fine. everything is fine. well, clap, clap

, the causes of the fire are revealed as they write, as they write from aksyonov. and threw the butt sometimes the american ambassador or ambassador of the states bridget bring wrote on twitter, even in ukrainian, so that everyone could read normally that the great news about the appointment of two members to the high council of justice after a thorough review by the ethics council, these appointments are an important step forward in judicial reform, a key element of ukraine's advancement to a successful european future a-a thank you madam or sador indeed we are also very happy about it this is good news that uh

something important is happening in the country something friends uh we're almost done with this, i'm a little bit of the whole thing lesya vakulyuk will be doing an important interview with a very important interesting guest in the next hours , you can vote or not what's possible but it will be later on the espresso tv channel watch what's in we are happening and accordingly you will find out the sun was the minister of defense one of the countries is a friendly yes very very very cool person and you will probably be there soon yes there you will learn more about this interview well, i will learn more about this interview in the next hour instead for those who will stay everything - still with me for an hour that i am i promise you that we will talk a little about the economy, but such an interesting economy, and, in particular, about how

the economic situation in the country is not easy. it does not prevent deputies from updating their cars, for example, the deputy vasilevska moved to a jaguar after listening to the people, but she easily explained what it was . in order to save money, because it is an electric car yes yes and she bought herself a jaguar so that it would pay off in 350 years, she bought it alone so that only her great-grandchildren would drive it, obviously she bought it using this program without duty or if in the 21st year, the car is less, but i don’t know , it can be used, so it may be. maybe they drove it and it’s shorter. less, but it’s a new car, well, if it’s new, they use energy, and there are a few more deputies like that, it’s not so bad for you not all