this is humanitarianism, my dear, i don’t know how it is. i don’t know why. tolerance. yes, which is more like this is not a good ancient profession. well , the question actually arose of the occupation of the 14th year. finally, it seems to me that ukrainians can understand the crimean tatars and to understand, what makes a good russian , conventionally speaking, different from the good russians who came to crimea after the 14th year, what is the difference between those who came to the homes of the crimean tatars who were taken to kazakhstan , uzbekistan, and so on, and these came to their homes ukrainians who were forced to leave in order not to be repressed, not to live under the rule of the occupier, this is a good thing. they come for

free. yes, because this is the meaning of life. they then give birth to children there... what we have now shown is that the responsibility is on everyone and on those who on the driver stood yes, when people like putin killed, robbed, marauders, raiders re-interviewed and those who were on the hook and those who came there for free will all answer. then you can't be anything, and i think that in these discussions here from inside ukraine in society some sycophants by politicians, well, well что делать надо будет там э-э градации some kind

of thing to do yes, who is in the yard and who is not? and what else , i think that this is what our actions of our military have put an end to these discussions. thank you. of the forest of the ukrainian tatar people , he explained quite emotionally, but correctly, what we need to do with the russian in ukraine, it is interesting that this war of ours, which russia has unleashed against us and this full-scale offensive, is now a country where the russian world tried to stay stuck after soviet times require a little bit - they drive out with brooms, e-e, in estonia, monuments there, for example , are moved to less public places, and in the menu of stalls , latvia reported that they are preparing a draft law to limit the use of the russian language not only at work, but in public places and it's

interesting when they say that you don't affect russian-speaking people, because a lot of russian -speaking ukrainians protect ukraine. hmm, on the fronts, yes , they do, and it seems to me that they have a certain indulgence, because they take risks. the most precious and most precious thing in their life is their life, but here we are, somewhere in more or less calm regions, we can also do something to protect our country on another front, on the peace front, and try to move at least to the ukrainian small, but its own war with that imposed russian, there are no russian-speaking ukrainians from russia, there are ukrainians in latvia, and its use is still being drafted. but i think that it will be voted for 100% so that it is also used less in public places i witnessed, uh, i actually witnessed such an

episode when a military man came to a girl and a boy, i don't know what started it, and asked them not to speak russian. the military man was already limping. it is obvious that the injury he got somewhere at the front, and here the question is whether the military man has the right who once again risks his life to protect this country from the russian world from russian tanks , missiles, and bob, does he have the right to make remarks from russia to the ukrainians and ask them not to speak the russian language, which is for it is associated with the language of the enemy, so i spoke something and serhii harmash, journalist -in-chief editor of the publication ostrov, a former representative of certain districts of the donetsk luhansk regions, as part of the ukrainian delegation in the tripartite contact group with us, in touch with us serhiy good day to you good morning, i saw such a

beautiful photo just now i would like the directors to maybe show it on the page of your colleague denys kazanskyi, the stop in mariupol is very eloquent, oh, these improvements brought by russian peace, can you tell us a little bit? because we have little information about what the future life of people in the lpr dnr looks like. there, the women of these pseudo -republics wrote an appeal to putin, saying that their husbands were mobilized and captured, and no one wants to exchange their everyday life. today is that in donetsk, in particular , there is no water in the purchased part of donetsk region, and this is not the first month, and i, you can imagine how to live without water in high-rise buildings. and every day, as it is read that they collect rainwater, i think

i was wondering if it's true. well, i also see the video. well, of course, i don't think that this is the main source of water supply. today it's raining . queuing for this water ah well, that is, water is a big problem today ah and of course they blame ukraine for this, but who else is to blame because they are not there oh well, it's hard for me to say who they blame i think they blame ukraine too and its power is probably less than that of russia, because you have to appeal to someone yes. and when you say that the women there wrote down appeals to putin, that means that theirs are bad and putin is good. yes, if we turn to him for help, that’s why it’s difficult to give evaluations and talk about changes in attitudes there. that people still

don't react publicly the way they think, let's say yes, we already have to turn to someone, that's why putin must be good, unlike the local ones, common and all the others, and there is no electricity in most of the districts of donetsk and because of shelling also every day i read there 147 e-e it seems like the day before yesterday the substation was disconnected, turned off, what else? well, of course, this forced mobilization has a great effect on the mood, because men are hiding, and they are searched for in houses, pretending that there is a gas leak in the house, and walking around the apartments , looking at them. who are found and mobilized, well , that is, i won't say that their life is, let's say, very, very interesting. of course, the economy almost does not work and it cannot work in principle because, ah, for all

eight years, their economy was ... ukrainian handouts yes from moscow, in fact, that is russia is not interested in the economy of the donbass because it is competitive with the russian one, and now that there are international sanctions, the russians know where to put their coal, their metal, and for her, what is mined and produced in the donbass is simply unnecessary, and therefore, of course, this is not a problem. work, that is, life, like me, like life under uh-uh, how do you say russian peace? well, what about the law in the territory of the so-called dpr and lpr? speaking to a citizen, well literally somewhere two weeks ago, they raised the

minimum pension there to 10,000 rubles, and you can say that, i’m marking it for myself. i think that many people are interested in what they have, fuel, gasoline. began to rise in price by one ruble, it costs 42 rubles today. of course, it is cheap. well, but we understand that russia has no place to spend its ruble , that is, sorry for its gasoline and its oil now, er, that's why such prices began. by the way, we accept applications for compensation for destroyed housing and it's like going to mariupol. i know that some people who left even to the controlled ukraine and the territory, they return hoping to receive some kind of compensation and, in this way, to improve their financial situation, well, this is probably the main thing, if we

are talking about life, if we are talking about politics , propaganda, then of course now the head coach is the so-called trials of our military over the people of azov , death sentences for them, the preparation of the so-called tribunal in mariupol, which will be held until the end of august, as pushylin says, it will take place here, by the way, it should be noted how the soup differs from tribunals in general, the tribunal is in fact, it is a demonstrative propagandist er social event it will even take place in the literal sense on er on the stage they are building a big son there and the decisions of the tribunal, so we understand, are not mandatory to be implemented. that is, they may not be implemented, and therefore from those who will be tried by tribunals, now they are tried in the so-called dnr, but in closed courts, we do not know what they hear there, what

they are accused of, and they are given death sentences . and it should be noted that i investigated this issue . i think it will be interesting. judgments they made changes there to their so -called legislation and on the first of july they start the execution of the death sentences begins on january 1, 25 years ago, in principle, i think that it is calculated more so that the western countries, first of all, now condemn to the deaths of our citizens of our western partners who fought in ukraine so that they communicate with the authorities of the so-called dpr of the lpr regarding the fate of their citizens and thus actually recognize their legitimacy. i think that this is what is being done the calculation is today, mr. well, if i don’t

know what’s there, for example, you know, by the end of next year, all the territories of ukraine will be returned, and those residents who have been there all these years , will they be able to return to it is normal to be loyal citizens of ukraine. and what to do with those who, for example, came all this time, for example, from russia, and for example, would like to stay and get citizenship from russia during that time, while there are these pseudo-republics. well, of course, i do not have such statistics. think of her not at all, visually, many came because the prices for housing and real estate were cheap, now there are fewer people in donetsk, people are leaving because donetsk is actually on the front line, and there is no centralized evacuation, unlike

there on february 18, when no one at all they shot . yes, people were evacuated there. today there is no such thing on camera, but these people are leaving themselves, of course, the picture in the city is changing, so to speak, what to do with them. to leave or be responsible according to the law if they occupied, for example, someone else’s home, yes, ours , well, they can also choose to leave russia. if they are close to putin, so to speak, yes, the russian peace, or stay and live according to the laws ukraine, eh, and well, in principle, they can have their own views, eh, like all people, eh, the main thing is that they obey the laws of ukraine and do not interfere with those who have different views. well, i think yes, yes, it

will be optimal, just behave like this the scenario because, well, in principle, there was one before the choice was to buy a ticket to russia, you could buy some kind of housing there. i think that in some distant regions of russia, housing is not too expensive and you could even improve your living conditions by selling something there in donetsk and buying somewhere where grandfather says good night but nevertheless, they wanted the russian peace to come there, and they did not go for the russian peace well, of course, no one wants to leave their homes and go somewhere, yes, this is natural for a person, but let's be honest, i don't quite agree. things with yours with your thesis about русский язык er because i believe that putin er is probably of ukraine because we have some russian- speaking regions there because our state would be weak if we had, for example, nuclear weapons or an

army in general which putin understood that she is strong, that she has weapons, despite that what language do we speak here he would never attack especially since the issue of language well, it may go away, but the issue of faith, for example, will remain yes, and putin will start protecting the orthodox well, we will all go to islam -is to be crossed with excuses, that's why i believe that there should be a strong state, if ukraine is strong, then those people who support russia will have no choice, they will either be held accountable by the law for support for actions against their state , or they will leave and live in comfortable places for themselves psychological conditions surrounded by the same excuse me cotton people who are themselves i do not want to offend anyone, mr. serhii, i think that the baltic countries are quite strong countries, they are in the end in the european union and we cannot get there because we have the whole sometimes there are some obstacles or we create

them ourselves but nevertheless, you see, they decided to act in advance and moreover, their languages ​​are not very similar to russian. but nevertheless, those citizens who remained in them during soviet times they say either you want to live here and listen to our laws or you are going to where your roots are from somewhere in russia or somewhere else language is, so to speak, the guide of the world, so the discussion can go on for a very long time, especially since the baltic countries were 40 years under the soviet union ukraine is a little more, unfortunately, so thank you mr. serhiy serhiy garmash, a journalist, editor-in- chief, and dani ostrov, a former representative of certain districts of the donetsk luhansk region, as part of the ukrainian delegation in the tripartite contact group, was with us, and andriy yakovlev

, a lawyer for the umbrella association uh, an expert in international law, an expert of the media initiative for human rights, mr. andriy is joining us . good morning. good morning actually . about the ukrainian position on the occupied territories. i found this moment very interesting. ben wallace and the minister of defense of great britain remembers what is now published and his recollection that on february 11, on the eve of the war, he had a conversation with shoigu tried to convince him that no, no, we are not planning to attack ukraine, we will not, well

, in a word, i just lied to his face and hair, in principle, understanding that he was lying to him, he told him that i had been to ukraine five times and i i know ukrainians they will fight, they will fight , what did my ukrainian mother tell him right away, so as not to surprise me. she can still do this, and she says so. i know ukrainians, and we are one people in sante, that they will not fight and it will be ok, i understand that language is only one of the most important criteria, at least it was in the 19th century in order to distinguish who is which nation. but nevertheless, but not the only one, he definitely confirms and says that his family on the maternal line is a native of ukraine , that is, the question is whether today otherwise for us has already been raised here in ukraine, and in the controlled territories, this is an issue that will be raised after the deoccupation, all the same, and where to find a balance between the observance of human rights, the rights of minors

or the rights of minorities, and the fact that ukrainian is ukrainian identity, and therefore the ukrainian state. i am constantly threatened in confrontations with the russian identity, which, moreover, is very strong, idealized, mythologized, it is not clear where it begins and where it ends. how do you define this question for yourself in this regard is a matter of debate, especially when we talk about the genocide of the ukrainian people and try to compare it with the genocide that took place earlier in all the historical cases that we know of, one nation was superior to another or strongly differed, for example, these are completely different nations or let's assume

white and because there is a different skin color or religious differences between us and the russian federation, the differences are not obvious, at least from the point of view of an external observer, but the main difference is the values ​​actually with the values ​​of values ​​and different peoples and different states are being built in our situation. it is very easy for a koverbotsianist to actually become a russian and he will not differ from him. it will be difficult to distinguish the external one, so i think that the main difference in values ​​is that our country seems to come out of the environment of such an imperial one and it is held back and so directly those forces that pull ukraine forward and are exposed to the greatest attack from the russians, in my opinion, that is, in your opinion,

values ​​are still more important than, for example, questions and er national markers, well, this question is a very interesting question. i can delve into the history of the united states, let's say when many peoples came to the united states and they formed a country, and everyone believes that there is an american people, on the basis of which they were formed as a people, for example, i see parallels in plato's republic when he said that if everyone is given a certain amount of property, people will protect it later, and he believed that there are three categories of people: populists, those who own property, the middle class, and oligarchs, populists, oligarchs they will always demand certain rights for themselves, and those who

own property are the middle class. they will not participate in any of these populist measures. they are most interested in observing the laws, and we see this directly in the usa. they gave everyone land to everyone, and accordingly, these people who owned land became the basis of protection in the war of the american people and they created and they created their own people and their nation, therefore i believe that the most important thing is the values ​​that make up our country and we differ in our values ​​from the russian federation. but what do we attribute there to the value, everyone can understand it differently, it has its own traditions in that account. well, that’s if, if you compare. by the way, this is the story of the last 100 books and i managed to read it and neil felyus. and who writes about what exactly he conducts an analysis of why myrhorod colonization in latin america took place

this is how the united states this is how the united states became successful and latin america had no successful states in fact, but actually he says about that this is me you are a saxon this is some kind of approach that is valuable there john locke we remember helped to write there the constitutions of the foundations and so on and so on british philosopher here er but er for example robinson could and in his very here bestseller ot why do nations decline they write that in fact at first they wanted to do exactly the same as brazil and the colonizers, they came for this and that model. they also wanted to capture a bunch of indians and make them slaves, but something went wrong, and actually it went wrong. by the fact that the starting conditions themselves turned out to be completely different. well, there is also an interesting point about what. well, but you and i are getting too far

now, i just want to say that when i say land, it does not mean physically to give the land to the agrarians, let 's say where allegorically, the land is some kind of property that will protect this collective phenomenon. well, actually, but at this moment, that is, it is important to me, that is, are ukrainians fundamentally different as a nation ? some traditions of this land, they were different all the time than, for example, in russia, and at this moment, people who moved from all over the world to america to be called if we say so, then, for example, we can think about it from the position of some siva or iroquois, we say good white people, great white people came to our land, we ukrainian- speakers have a little bit. well, stop, let us leave the reservation, well, they understand, i will tell you otherwise, there is a book called "private", i say

journalists, i can be wrong. the main difference of kyivan rus' was that there was always an opposition, a civil society, with which the entire top had to be reckoned with, while moscow 's existed according to a different principle, based on the fact that there was a single ruler, a military commander, in which there was no need for a position, uh, everyone depended on him, he didn't need there was a civil society and they destroyed both novgorod and kyiv , because where there is a middle class of smoking, it could live without the administration without the supreme power, and the supreme power itself was only interested in such intelligence to ensure its maintenance and support of the army well

, we can see this book can be read, in my opinion, it demonstrates very well this is the same as pelevin once said that there is a pipe -pierced democracy and a noble despotism that is, where you have you don't have a single resource, you have many different groups that compete with each other, and there is 3d one resource, you only protect it and all the others obey you actually. it seems to me that such a process is happening between us and the russians. when they will be deprived of their large resource capacities, they can become a normal mouth, a small normal european nation . andriy, i will ask you why uh countries. i already named them here today. so uh, such as estonia, latvia, lithuania, now looking at ukraine and finland as well looking at ukraine and what is

happening in the country, they try as much as possible to get rid of those markers that the soviet union brought them, and the soviet union is the russian world, and the markers are monuments, language restrictions, and so on. and the rest a specialist of all kinds of such things, unlike the ihl , but i can say that there is also a discussion on this matter, some say monuments, monuments cannot be destroyed, the other part in this account and the ukrainian philosopher says that this is necessary in my opinion this is done for to erase the memory and more for future generations, modern generations can be traumatized by it, it can be traumatized by them, but other generations will create their own history, well , that is, when you actually build a monument for someone

else, and we, but on your history, you invest in this a story that does not belong to you and it develops a different story, not your own, there may be no lunch with prominent people of other countries, but this is our territory . we will create - support and create someone else's memory absolutely can't disagree with this documentary film by the way, according to some ratings, a documentary film about canadian hockey players has already been released somewhere who have ukrainian roots, quite strong hockey and many names of famous names in canada, eh, in that hockey, thanks to the ukrainians, and one of them

is yuki, and the documentary is called yuki, because that's what the ukrainians who came to canada called yuki in fact, one of the descendants and one of the prominent hockey players is a descendant of the unr general from a village in cherkasy region, and in this village there is not even a street named after the surnames of two prominent people in this family, this is about how we honor our history and what it will give us later this ignorance revolves around us history and disrespect for those who made this country better, you know, we still have scores, andrii, are you listening to this now, can you call it resentment, on the part of ukrainians who say listen, we suffered, give us back our history , give us all this imperial what happened here in 300 years in 50 years of the russians this is exactly the resentment

of the restoration of the empire. yours, but if you repeat someone else's work, even a good one, then it will always be a copy, why invest in copies and live by them ourselves, with these copies, we need to create our own in order to be original, not in order to stand out in some way, but simply to give credit to our own, then no it is possible to consider restoring the well-forgotten old one as well . thank you mr. andriy for this interesting discussion. andriy yakovlev, attorney of the umbrella association and specialist in international law and expert of the media initiative for human rights, our viewers suggest that lane greek is