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cities, as well as donetsk region, luhansk region and mykolaiv region in novaya in kakhovtsi, kherson oblast, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed the base of the russian military, the state border service reports at least 12 dead people who were killed as a result of our shelling the russian military base as of the morning of the 19th, august 18, forgive me, russia lost 44,300 people in the war with ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine eliminated 200 invaders with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 1,889 tanks, 4,179 armored combat vehicles, 10 artillery systems, 265 jets of salvo fire systems 136 air defense means 234 aircraft 197 helicopters 3.61 units of motor vehicles 15 ships boats 190

cruise missiles 793 drones 93 units of special of equipment, the enemy suffered the greatest losses in the donetsk direction. the main directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense announces an escalation on the front in the coming days. erdogan wants to negotiate with putin and zelensky. we will talk about this in the next hour. we are now in touch with serhii krivonos, reserve major general and first deputy commander of the sso in 2016-2019 former deputy secretary of the national security and defense council p general good day good health to you thank you for joining our broadcast good day glory to ukraine glory to the heroes so, mr. general, let's start our conversation with discussions that have been going on for several days in society and in social networks, too much about the publication of

the washington post, where investigators wrote that the ukrainian authorities knew about the attack by the russians long before the start of a full-scale war, that is, in the fall of 2021 , according to you, could the ukrainians avoid a war with the russians, or is it a big war, meaning whether it would have happened in any case, and whether ukrainians could minimize losses in this war so that they were informed in time about the date of a possible russian attack on ukraine, which allows the russians to directly start a war against ukraine, a big war, because they launched a war against us in the 14th

year . and allowed them to start this war and what if we had all been warned in october, although a long time ago i warned that there would be a war in march of last year and told in which directions the enemy would attack and what objects he would destroy it matched with 100% accuracy. let's consider if we had known about this in october that we could have had time, an example is one of the simple examples of the purchase and production and purchase of the same arctic projectiles by the artem plant, if at that time the artem plant worked no more than one or two shifts a week, if our statesmen who run our country, knowing that we are attackers , increased the number of orders for our defense enterprises, primarily for the same artem

. in azerbaijan and with armenia, there was a projectile famine, this problem was even already in the position of desire on the 34th day of their 44-day war, as well as in our country, the famine began already on the fourth day of our war with the russian federation, even then it was directly in february of this year yes, if we increased the number of orders and the plant started working 24/7, then in the four months before the war, we could produce a huge number of shells, which our glorious design bureau , which at that time also practically stood still , would have been able to produce received stimulation, received an order to increase the production of anti-tank systems and pastun, then in these four months they could release more than 2,500 missiles and more than 500-600 launchers, this significantly improved your

capabilities, of course, now the next in these four months along the russian-ukrainian border on possible in the directions of the offensive of the russian federation, we could dig and equip, to be honest, in military language, a huge number of company strongpoints, see the equipment of a homogeneous strongpoint in the composition of the company, it is somewhere at the level of the activity of bayonets of 60-70 men in 7.5-8 days with an 8 -hour day. weekend vacations there parkov economic levels, we could at least each company could catch 12 strong points, it can be done and respecting our obolona defense in a depth of more than 100 km there, and it would be great and it means that it would increase our ability to resist the russian e -is aggression, we did not do this and did not directly

receive the troops of these tasks, and the defense-industrial complex did not receive tasks, and the leadership knew how it has already admitted that they knew about this war, besides, one of such shameful cases, let's remember when in january of this year for the armed forces, the verkhovna rada took more than 50 billion 50 billion hryvnias, even 50 billion hryvnias for one projectile for the installations that we now have directly nato well, for example, there is a crab or eh pz2000 eh costs somewhere at the level of 72-76,000 hryvnias 50 billions, how many shells could we buy? and if we take the shells produced by our artem, then those shells of 152 caliber at that time cost at the level of 27,25,000 uah for 50

billion, how many could be ordered? and how many shells could be purchased abroad, not this amount this is exactly what irresponsibility and inaction allowed the russians, seeing that no one is waiting for anyone, no one is preparing, during those four months it was possible to raise the level of territorial defense not when on the first day of the war they poured out as firewood gave out automatic machines to anyone and in 4 months it was possible to train hundreds of thousands of people, those hundreds of thousands of people could be distributed in all directions where needed in this hundreds of thousands of people could build qualification facilities, which are much more difficult for us here, russians, and that’s all if only if if unfortunately, it led to the fact that we have huge losses at the beginning of the war, especially among the local population, and i don't know how our civilian population will appreciate the fact that they were simply pawned, they were

simply not told, because when you are ready for independence what kind of panic is there talking about, the war has been going on since the 14th year, there was no panic in the state and there will be no such thing that from kyiv, er, from other settlements in general , er, people left en masse and all the roads were blocked and so on it was, but in four months the processes could be revealed. unfortunately, this lack of action today, the opening of solutions led to the fact that the russians saw that we, well, they are right here . they still know their maneuver the state is not ready for its tasks, the state is not waiting and all those previous four months on the eve of february , a-a, roads were actively being built precisely on those tanks er-e available directions along which then absolutely calmly starting from the crimea, from kalanchak, ending there er-e chernobyl

direction russian tanks on the wonderful ukrainian roads that were built according to the program of large-scale construction absolutely without orders in the first day reached the outskirts of the city of kyiv, all this is not just shameful, it is something that will later heat up the authorities if they tried to lie now, no matter how they tried to tell now, and that their intentions were the best, no, tens of thousands of those who died in the first days, their relatives and loved ones will never forgive them for this, it will be informational manipulation, but it will still not be erased from the people 's memory mr. general, it is obvious that the government needs an honest and frank conversation with society. it should be conducted at least now, because we understand that there is six months of war and we need to talk about reducing expenses in all directions and direct

all the money for defense goes to the armed forces of ukraine, it is necessary to reduce the bureaucratic apparatus because it was and remains large enough in ukraine, obviously it is about the fact that the people living in ukraine, from the smallest to the largest, must understand that the time will not come and each of we will have to take up arms or at least stand next to those who hold well and in the armed forces of ukraine there must obviously be some kind of general mobilization plan or war preparation plan i remember very well how in the soviet union these trainings were held for schoolchildren and students, what to do in the event of a nuclear explosion there, what to do in the event of an attack, that is, educational military training, is it not too late? already now, and is it necessary to unfold this whole big picture now, because we only see and state the consequences that were

in six months, but despite the fact that the british and americans are predicting a long protracted war, we do not see this plan for the future preparation of society for the future devastating war with russia. in fact, this is a plan, it was signed in december. may 2019, decree number 200 of the president of ukraine. this five-step program, which i proposed back in may 19, regarding raising the level of the country's defense capability, emphasizes countries that do not even have armed forces. where are the five steps that would allow in the shortest possible time and make the country a strong territorial defense of the country, not the territorial defense troops that have been created at the moment because it is even difficult to say and everything is absolutely not what ukraine needed and not what is needed now for the resistance movement national-patriotic education

to the military training of the population and the information resistance to russian propaganda, i have proposed all this as the main thing for a long time, and all the same, it was buried by this government for the time being, you are absolutely right . television, a means of mass information, must show videos that teach how to disassemble weapons, how to use certain other military equipment, how to tune radio stations, how to act in case of injury the basis of tactical medicine, to provide the basis of military topography, this is absolutely necessary for the entire population, the following why because we must be ready not to wait simply to agate a huge number of people who are taken in the event of a protracted war,

will be ready, if necessary, to replace those parents and older brothers on the fronts, this is necessary we have a huge number of people to do, just like in the armed forces, if there is a huge number of servicemen, but not such a large number of soldiers, so this is the task that we now have to prepare soldiers both in the armed forces and outside of it . as for the economy, we must make it so that the entire economy was now working and was able to provide for our own needs, so that we do not compromise on certain things that we sometimes ask from our foreign partners, and one of the examples to whom are we asking for medical gowns, but we can sew medical gowns here too, and for the money that goes for medical gowns, it is better that they give us something military, which we cannot produce inside ukraine for certain reasons, which we simply have it was never produced or at present, this

enterprise, no matter what you say, but it is destroyed, and the last thing we have to do is to prepare the territory of ukraine for war, namely, digging trenches in advance for other engineering structures that, uh, allowed us to provide timely filling there with prepared personnel and directly increasing our ability to protect against enemy damage or weaponry, because this war has shown that the main thing here is not sniper contact and the ability to shoot, this is a war of artillery and means of high-precision impression, but from the enemy's artillery in we only have one defense at the moment, for now it is a deep , high-quality trench, it is a high-quality dugout, where we can hide the personnel, this is the first thing we need

to do. that we already have 1,300 km, and the russian-ukrainian front is currently once again activated by the russians on the part of belarus, this front can be increased by another 1,084 km, so the question of the enemy's inability to advance, and the question of our ability to be ready to repulse of our active actions against the enemy. by the way, the minister of defense of ukraine, oleksia reznikova, gave an interview to the voice of america a few days ago. he spoke about the priority post-war reform, the reform in the defense sector, let's listen to him to reform the armed forces and the security and defense sector in general. we had the first part of the attempt - this is the creation of territorial defense forces, which is a component of the armed forces of ukraine, it was deployed literally from the wheels, it is not perfect in everything, but its

advantages and disadvantages are already clear, so i think that after the victory which will come exactly, we will have to sit down and understand what the number of the armed forces should be, that for sure 260,000 is not enough, maybe 360,000 or 400,000, it is normal to calculate, again, using force and means and accordingly, but i am convinced that, as we said, there will be a very large number of veterans who will pass this ukraine and russian war as winners. they can definitely be the core of reservists who will be ready to join the strya, and i think that the issue of weapons circulation, including its legalization, as it is in many countries of switzerland the example of the united states or in the same hall, it is enough. on the agenda, here is the key question of the general, when varshikov says that this reform should take place after our victory, it is not clear

when our victory will be and it is not clear how long this war will be, why why are we postponing this reform in the field of defense and why in the end our economy does not become a military economy, as it should have been during martial law. well, first of all, not us, but they, and secondly , everything that you say, poets - you can rewatch my speeches and programs that we were presented and submitted to the verkhovna rada for consideration. this was all two years ago. it’s just such a small pr based on other people’s opinions and other people’s achievements, but the question is not about our personal desires, the question is that it should work, they are still talking about the desire to to do and i say that it must be done for a long time now, yesterday, today and tomorrow, it must be done, there is no need to wait for instant ideal conditions and we will start developing something there, it must be done now and the programs and

development of this, we are ready for cooperation, but the government unfortunately, he does not want to hear us because he considers our competitors, which competitors are there now, there must be one political force in ukraine, the party of war with the russian federation and no other political forces. at the moment, i do not recognize and there is no force for me, only the party of war with the russian federation , because it is very important for us to draw conclusions from our mistakes as quickly as possible. we made a lot of them. at this stage, on the scale of the state, we have no right to make more of them a second time. why don't they do this, because they only announce passing off other people's opinions as their own because there is no professional team up there that could organize it quickly that's all, mr. general, the main directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense predicts that

very acute events can be expected at the front in the near future, the representative of the group andriy yusov said this says that the fact is that august and september will be extremely important months for the further development of hostilities at the front, at the same time, the president of turkey , recep tayyip erdogan, says that ukraine and russia should sit down at the negotiating table, well, at least then zelenskyi too, in order to reach an armistice, some kind of definite cessation of hostilities, what does temporary peace mean for ukraine, and is it needed now at this moment, and what does russia get from this temporary peace? and what at the moment, ukraine cannot talk about any truce because the very ability to freeze a set of conflicts primarily plays in favor of the russian federation, therefore war and war are permanent, which must be. i

understand that it is difficult. i understand that it is... very difficult but in the meantime, any truce with one will quickly play in favor of the russian federation. they have a greater ability to transfer resources and in terms of military production, they will say that they will not attack, meanwhile, they will accumulate resources by force, produce new products and start again offensive therefore, no unequivocally no no, there can be no question of any temporary ceasefire, judging by the information messages that come from moscow from the ministry of defense of the russian federation, they just want to force the whole world to influenced the ukrainians and this truce was, well, at least this morning i read a report that the ministry of defense of the russian federation predicts that august 19, that is, tomorrow, will be at the zaporizhia npp, which

they write. russia and there is nothing to talk about here, but i understand that they are due to the shelling of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which can lead to very serious consequences not only for ukraine, for western europe, and for russia itself because the specialists say that if the radiation goes towards the russian federation, there is the rostov region, the krasnodar region and many, many other regions of russia may be affected, that is, they adopted blackmail tactics and they are ready to blackmail the whole world and force the world to put pressure on ukraine so that ukraine went to some kind of truce. can russia implement this blackmail

? russia has always been engaged in this kind of leningrad blackmail in recent years, because putin was brought up in leningrad in the gates of st. petersburg he knows exactly what it is to take on the weak, and this has been instilled in him since childhood, and now he is trying to take us on the weak and by blackmailing the captured zaporizhia nuclear power plant, are they able to go further ? the russian air force is now located on the territory of a nuclear power plant, i emphasize how much attention they pay to this and directly provide information on it , but you understand that if we have a nuclear power plant that was captured by the russians, which blackmail and a huge number of nuclear power plants are also on the territory of the russian federation, and

magatek is extremely worried about the situation that has developed right now, and this is not a small organization, such an organization is serious enough, which controls all the nuclear power plants around the world and the channels of influence . they have if the russians have already lost any understanding of the real situation. they may be able to press, but the security system of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant also allows it to close access and extinguish this nuclear plant in time in my opinion, it is better for me to turn off all the reactors completely, than to have a headache, the question can be resolved that at the moment it is just to turn off all the reactors and the name where to allow the enemy to blackmail, because today, generals, there is a lot of talk about diplomacy, about some diplomatic efforts, a meeting at the hotel zelenskyi and

erdogan and everyone seems to be talking about the fact that there should be peace in the whole world, do you believe that the russian-ukrainian war can end diplomatically, if not, then in what way ukraine can win a victory over russia, to be honest, i don't really believe in the ability of diplomatic channels after the end of the war, they can already be when russia is defeated , then diplomats can join the negotiations regarding the acceptance of the capitulation of the russian federation. i understand that some will say that you want to surprise here until the end, until the victorious end. that 's right, because the russians aim not to fight until the victorious end, and all their efforts are there to talk about a truce or peace - it's simple misleading us and, just like misleading the world society, in order to defeat the russians, we directly still need the active help

of our western partners and we must deploy the russian troops of the russian federation in such a way that they no longer had offensive capabilities at all or absolutely then clear our land of this russian enemy and liberate crimea. this is what we need to do and we can do it. i am not saying that we will do it in a month or two, but if we take into account those proposals what should the state do about the protracted war, which i said at the beginning of this interview, plus the help of the west will allow us to achieve our victory by military means, general, do the representatives of the current government turn to you for advice or for some recommendations, you have a lot of experience management of the ukrainian armed forces and, in general, do you know anything about

national security and defense? do those who are currently in power need this knowledge? as for the highest helmet of power, they do not apply. they completely and everything is ignored. and as for the middle and lower e-e levels of this government, we actively cooperate and i provide both help and consultations and myself practically take part in the training of certain e-e units regarding the preparation of us e-e proving a war with the russian federation thank you, mr. generals , for putting the espresso tv channel on the air. it was serhiy krivonos, former deputy commander of the sso, in 2016-2019, reserve major general, friends for those who are watching us now live on social networks, social networks please like our video, subscribe to our pages, and also watch our

broadcast on cable networks, subscribe to our social pages. forces of ukraine major of the armed forces of ukraine mr. major good day good health to you, i am glad to see you on our air i wish you health but i would like to inform you that at the moment i am busy with other issues and the commander there is another person in the battalion, so life goes on and we continue to work on different fronts, thank you. i thought you wanted to correct that you are already a lieutenant colonel, so i wanted to apologize. let's hope that soon you will be a lieutenant colonel. the last few days this is the publication of the washington post investigation on how ukraine was preparing for war