maybe listen well. and this is the whole story, if it’s already, well, if we were to say, er, touch with trump . - the president who can testify, he may not testify, but he may testify, giuliani may testify in a shorter way, such a low, uh, series of unpleasant news for trump, which suggests to me, maybe i am wrong . what and the american establishment somehow wants to forget about the existence of trump or such people as first of all, i want to say that regarding your previous remark, i agree that the authors of the article are very

interested in what russia did here, why it did it, and the discussion will continue both among journalists and among political experts, what prompted putin to do what he did on february 24 and continues to do now, what did i instigate, what considerations, how did we all pray , many said that there might not be such a large-scale invasion, and so what should russia do now after six months of such and such a war, then here it is a really important focus is also on russia, there were a lot of publications before that in the american press, but with regard to trump, well, you see, there are many complex lines of investigation at different levels, someone is investigating his role in the events of january 6, last year, when his supporters took over the congress capitol, someone is investigating his business activities let's say the trump corporation in new york, and someone is investigating. yes, what you have to do is take away the investments, this is not the only process before a new investigation regarding him, and took away the documents for

support your master. well, there will be this tract, i don’t like it. yes, but you are right, and the current american government really did not want it to look like this. he is the leader of the opposition and the previous president . because it would really make america such a banana republic. yes, as the republics say, some criticize. they approached this cautiously for more than a year. everyone knew that he took a bunch of documents in boxes on all secret ones from the white house without any permission for this or that, it cannot live , it is not protected. this is what they say. well, and this is a problem, yes, but they perceived themselves up to a point when the national archive of kyiv had already disappeared. what to do

is normal because on the ice really and anti which relate to the foreign policy of national security and maybe really nuclear affairs something needs to be done and with that pressure he already really says we are doing these investigations we are continuing and doing this search and that's why i absolutely agree with you here here here no i'm sorry but something is just interrupted with the sound i just have to thank you because it's just something our connection is interrupted and logic thus it doesn't have your words she started your words yes, but no. well, we don't hear the line. we only hear separate sounds. excuse me. it was volodymyr dubovyk, director of the center for international studies. associate professor of the department of international relations of odesa national university. we will now go to crimea accompanied by members of the keyboard

of the verkhovna rada on human rights of the deputy chairman of the forest of the ukrainian tatar people of the former political prisoner artem or his for mr. artem good health thank you for joining us thank you for agreeing to cooperate with us see a-a e-e the question is definitely about krymit, definitely. do you know such a question? maybe i don’t know, maybe i ’ll open your answer. i’ll reveal some secrets . i wouldn’t like it. but let’s imagine a successful offensive of the ukrainian army in the area, for example, armenian. i’m sorry, i don’t know which crimea is the name tatar simply or can the ukrainian army count on some national liberation movement of the crimean tatar people in such and such possible events during which the whole of ukraine expects that there

will be an attack on the crimea and the liberation of the ukrainian crimean land you hear now i hear yes well first i want a little change the phrasing of the question, first of all, when they talk about that opposition, what do they mean by the partisan movement? well, let's be honest and frank, when crimea was abandoned in the 14th year, what were the partisan years, when in kherson in the 22nd kherson was abandoned in 2008, what partisan movement were

there, what were the armed people prepared, what hiding places were there, and so let's be honest, there is resistance in the crimea for more than 20-8 years and there is resistance in the kherson region because the main reason for such resistance is the human factor, which or he is playing tricks on the government, or everyone is not going to the russian ship, that is, this resistance is seven and will be our question. what are we doing? so when all these four years after the liberation, i tried to convey that crimea is without him, there will be no ukraine, there will be no point ago and our actions it is necessary to start from this position on this issue and take our actions today about con-

counteroffensive say you say i just met with a kind of attache and er there er employees of the embassy in america i mainly said this about crimea i feel that in crimea there are collaborators and occupying power, and those so-called soldiers are not soldiers, there has never been a military in russia, this is a gang gathered under putin's main bandit, and they are therefore a military ball, stubble soldiers - this is a gang, a gruppirovka yes, it is huge, but they have it now finished this motivation she she is simply destroyed to get crimea why because this is the hemonia of this bandit putin that is not in the occupied territories he

is responsible for everyone who kills, rapes, kidnaps people there she gradually got used to it why because ours showed that azart but naked he cannot protect the territory of the crimea, which he said is forever and yesterday and there two or three days ago and it is still natural and we show how we will be because this is one and more important. will be released they give motivation to our citizens, because this is the most important thing and it must be continued and you know, these meetings were such a surprise for them, this is

the approach, as they say, i remember well when in 87-89 no one executed us and the repression continued, but the situation was the other thing was the idea that the crimean tatars would never be able to return home, and that the soviet union was no longer like that. i didn’t have that kind of motivation. well, now i feel it in the crimea. that’s why we have to do our job. we will continue to do so. do a p artem akhtema and tell me please well now you if you have sources of information what are you in crimea now what is happening is what the

crimean tatar population is saying, we understand what the patriots of ukraine are saying we also roughly understand what the collaborators are thinking, what is the russian doing, what are they doing what do the people who greeted and clapped their hands think hurrah русский мир русская весна and so on and the like, what are the moods of these in this community, they are sitting on treason so that they clearly know the wording, these are some words, they are very they emphasize the state in which they are, did you hear that konstantinov and aksyonov escaped, they were released to moscow, and i think that there will be some changes in this direction as well, i think so, i know that he is so easily summoned there, yes, but that what we have been

saying since february. after about 26, when they failed to implement the plans here around kyiv, kyiv, the russian russian society, i do not call them the people and the consequences, especially for them, it is such an earthly factor, yes, fear and panic, but it immediately felt separate when began to run away and take them away first of all, their families. and now they themselves are fleeing, and there is a queue on this bridge to the devil, and there they have set up a roadblock in order not to let anyone in for the scheming, well, this primarily applies to men , and that's all, that's all, here's begging to convey to

everyone that this is the main fear and panic. they have been there for a long time. and when we add a little more, it will be an irreversible process. understood immediately, and yes, 50 years have passed the caste is not forever, and they fled home, sold, abandoned there, exchanged for rostov, kuban, at least somewhere. yes, that’s when the ukrainians lacked a little vlade, i had enough. yes, after 1991, this process was also fixed there, yes, or there was no desire, i think

more. that they did not understand at all what to do there and not only from crimea and which from ukraine is needed now i know clearly that the military leadership feels this i met with them a few days ago we talked about this topic and they will continue to work for that so that this fear and panic it was not the other way around thank you thank you automaton akhtem chigoz members of the verkhovna rada on human rights for the mere head of the intemperance of the ukrainian tatar people former political prisoner of the kremlin i will allow myself 2 minutes well just to remind you know we are now in our 22nd year today august 19 and we if we have been at war with russia for six months already, and the beginning was laid on this very day, the 19th of the year 1991

, when there was a state committee in russia, as it is called, the state committee, because of the usual state committee, and because of the usual provision. keep in mind that those people who are very young. they simply do not remember this and if they are not interested in politics, but the processes that are taking place today, my conversation with the active or yogoz, my conversation with volodymyr dubovyk, oleg or katkov, all today's guests, well, if it wasn't for the year 91 if there was no august 19, 1991, there would be no august 24, i.e. the independence day of ukraine would not be december 1. by the way, when the ukrainian people voted for independence and so on and on and on and on and on and on. this one this one the departure of ukraine from the exit from this prison-prison of

nations and we would remain there in the very friendly arms of the russians, who would certainly still humiliate ukrainians, estonians, georgians in azerbaijani, armenians, and so on and so on, and so on and so on and introduce the like into the russian language instead of the estonian -georgian azerbaijani and armenian kazakh , therefore, today is a very important day, er, then the russians showed themselves to be strong enough and for many years . with a protest and now against gorbachev, in fact, but the ussr is for russia and now no one, well, 100 times less people are in favor, more precisely, not in favor of putin well,

but that’s already so cursory, i said something, and now we will talk with the expert of the bureau of analysis and politics, this is viktor bondarenko, who is. good health, mr. viktor, and good health, yes. good health, mr. viktor. listen, you know, when i look at internal ukrainian news , there are parliamentary presidential news that leak out that do not concern the war and the whole the situation surrounding the war is not me shuddering and surprised because the war takes up so much of my personal time and energy that the state bureau of investigation means now what is the name of the battalion of monaco, yes, that is, the people of 80 high-ranking officials who suddenly found themselves in monaco, i will tell you that my city is also beautiful monte-carlo is

all right there, i've been there a couple of times, i see, i highly appreciated the taste and attraction of these beautiful 80 people, mountains, sea, well, that is, the only drawback is that the price is very high, there are very biting prices in menek, but well, that's it it is correct that the authorities have taken up these people, we need to think about them and not think about the front, about n- events in the east of ukraine and so on, now it is time to talk about it, it is time. well, as in almost everything zelenskyi does, he is populist because if they are going to tell something, they pressure people to tell about all kinds of scumbags. they are not from zelenskyi's team

. yes, maryana bezugla has already submitted on this draft law to deprive those deputies of the table abramovych and well, and surkis, well, so that some of them can be removed from their parliamentary mandates, well, to remove them from and no, not to remove them at all. to deprive them of deputy mandates, and it would be cool. it would be accepted. well, everyone is there everyone, if they were indignant, yes, they all want their students to screw them, but here the key word is but the president, because then if , for example, it is possible simply by decision and zelenskyi has already spat on the constitution more than once the last time it was when they got rid of the wolf they took citizenship just like that, they took it away, yes , i received it. the other is not a wolf, wolf is a citizen of dnipropetrovsk, yes, stop, confused

, i apologize, i apologize and-and it flew out to catch and it is meant... er, the majority will deprive someone of their deputyship, then this could be an interesting precedent, and then they will deprive them of their deputyship because you are poroshenko there or because one of the deputies there did not like zelenskyi, as he did about zelenskyi told or you can even exclude him from the deputy seat if you say anything bad about zelenskyi's cat, even if you say something bad about it, she's sarcastic, as it were, so as not to offend anyone, a specific person, a specific deputy , she generally likes to complain, she complains about journalists, about colleagues, about others well, al-

but maybe she brings some benefit to her party. although i think that she is the opposite, first of all, she is always allowed to say things that are not enough. is there a conscience or do other deputies not want to dream about something? yes, there er she arachamis can speak cooler, then they usually talk about friendship with china, and zelensky says, what kind of arachamia is it? if i am a rohamia, if i am ashamed to say such a thing, then they call out maryana. maryana can say anything. well, that is why she is valuable. how else does she speak, uh, like a high school student who memorized a poem yesterday and nothing came out when she starts talking and you try to stop her, she doesn't care until the last line, there are a lot of ethers. so you know a little, i have a little experience, but we me seems worth it

already stop the pr campaign in support of madame because we have devoted too much time to it. what do you think mr. victor can expect. and the ukrainian nation in the next parliamentary elections, although i am probably being beaten up by most people now because there is no need to , er, warn my father to jump, but look, it is obvious that all the forces associated with zelensky are recruiting, it is obvious that they are recruiting forces related to participation in the hostilities, the national freedom corps, we have planned elections that should be held already in the autumn of next year, if we are in a year if we end the war, then they will be accordingly, and there is nothing shameful about it, because in

the office of the president, the specially trained andriy yarmak is thinking exclusively about intercepting a political initiative, and not only that, they have a very clear plan to win not just a majority, but a constitutional majority but er, although they are trying er to have a constitutional majority, why do they need it so that later when the second time, for example, well, they are sure that in the 24th year they will get over zelensky so that then by the end of the second the deadline to change the constitution and make a parliamentary cleanup was not going to work if he was just under the liberals a little, but the servants of the people hope that he will take away a lot from poroshenko . they will be for poroshenko in their 15% european solidarity -

this is the minimum they will take we do not know how the war will end and how much the servants will take yes, if it ends with our victory, then of course zelensky's servants of the people will be on the horse, but they will not take the constitutional majority. they think that they will win the support of prytula, who will push out, let's say, but he will take a lot of waste, not from poroshenko, from zelenskyi. that's a plus, boyko and tymoshenko, they also have a stable electorate, their stable electorate, it's true that boyko is from mariupol, he came very often abroad and they may not vote there. but do you think that 5% of them will jump over and yuliya volodymyrivna will jump over, well, from prytula, plus let's say a party of the military. yes, we have a party in prytula. which the problem is actually the services of the people. they think that

prytula is their ally and they are using it now, but who told you that it is not shelters that they are using, having the opportunity to do pr at the expense of this single marathon, and so on and so on, so prytula will bite well, a piece, but not a fact that he will be a servant of the servants is not a fact at all. and again, if there is a conditional party of the military , let's call it a party of the hardworking, yes, it will bite even more, and again, it will bite off exclusively from the servants, so its stable electorate zelenskyi, who is there, in zelenskyi's style, it will be somewhere around 25%. what are the railways? no, no, volume. and you are without a p. viktor. and you are convinced that a military party will appear. i have the impression that mr. zuluzhny is as civilized as any military man.

i mean a military man, as a rule, they are not right. they get into politics, never in a civilized judge, there is no such thing, but you are right that here they can drag someone for what they want to put on the list, the generals in poroshenko, but zelensky and zelenskyi can make the list of generals the shelter is the same and they will disperse to different parks and it won’t actually be about that if some authoritative general says no. the top 20 will all be heroes of ukraine, can you imagine how much such a party will gain? well, i can imagine it, but i can also say that i would categorically vote against such a party because the junta, well, it is as if the junta is already

ready, but a separate party enters the parliament the military, how to call them veterans, but this is a junta and i am a party of veterans of ukraine, and they will already be public, they will be ready, what is the difference to me, these are people who are related to weapons, the army have authority, this is the junta, possible, possible . i'm not saying that there must necessarily be a junta, but the party, with all the coups and everything in the world, started with such and such specific people in uniforms who got somewhere together in one place, sat in the same office, and sooner or later it could end in chile greece has a lot, a lot. i'm not talking about africa, that's why there's a problem here. well, there's a problem here. you and i may

not like it, but the majority of the population will like it, and they'll just want this junta to take power, so that these, let's say, fighting over there majors, colonels and generals, so that they seize power and the majority of the population is in favor of the dictatorship oh oh don't say but we have something else, we just have to learn from the fact that dictatorships have never won the war , democracies have always won yes we are also looking at the first world britain they won with the americans taizer germany and austria-hungary were defeated in the second world war. well, there stalin was attached to them. but still, they defeated the people . so, in the cold war, they also defeated democracies . democracy in the short-term perspective, of course, autocracy. decisions are

made, but very often it is wrong, as with putin, he made the wrong decision, now he wants negotiations and that's it, a democratic country, democracy wins, but people think on the contrary that democracy or liberalism is rotten, that's all there is does not lead to good, but good, good, the junta will save us. we and we, you are absolutely right, it means that this is a bad path, but very often ukrainians chose the wrong path. well, but ukrainians know how to correct mistakes. first they take yanukovych, then they expel yanukovych yes that i think that ukrainians have a great, so to speak , great experience in correcting their own mistakes. well , our program is ending.

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