opa should never again depend on russian gas, i may be wrong, but i will wash it or the voivodship and or someone from european politicians, well, this understanding came like this, if it is very brief, please remember well, this is a phrase of scholz and indeed it was said in a critical the moment when the german government, after all, adopted a new new strategy and they will really refuse russian foreigners, but no, not immediately, not as much as we would like, because it is also technically very difficult. this winter will certainly be very critical and instructive for all of europe. i think, well, what is russia, russian gas, what is the dependence of the buyer on the seller, there will be an opportunity to learn this lesson. well, you can also watch war films, especially european ones, it shows very well how they lived when there was a great war, which the price was paid for the victory over hitler well, thank god that

it is not there now, europe does not suffer all, but anyway, well, at least some price can be paid, because it is a big bill and germany, in the hands of angela merkel, contributed a lot to prosperity putin and his de facto monopoly on this market is the bending of many countries. we must bend our backs and elbow putin in the nose. thank you very much. volodymyr gorbach was with us. thank you for your professional comments . and now we have two topics, in fact, which we will discuss first one, then the other, they are very important, in fact, maybe not as loud as there cotton in the crimea, we all have it here or something else like that is happening and we let's talk about things that depend on our heating season, the prices of utility services, in particular, the supply of heat there, or something else. well, this is about naftogaz, in particular. globally, it's about why state companies, well, war, but still, you have to work as a crisis manager for some reason they become

bankrupt or unprofitable. and money is still being asked for in the budget, so today we have a story about nk naftogaz of ukraine and yuriy prodan, minister of pavlov and energy of ukraine in the seventeenth and tenth years, minister of energy and coal industry ukraine in the 14th year, mr. yuriy, i congratulate you. good evening. well, the unprofitability of state-owned companies, or even bankruptcy already on july 26, if i'm not mistaken , now and i wrote for myself on the 26th, and on july 26, naftogaz did not pay 335 million dollars, mandatory payments in principle. this there was a reason to talk about, well, in fact, the state of default, and then they asked for money from government officials in order to restructure their weeds, here is the latest information on this long history that the oil and gas company could not obtain from investors an external deferral of payments for with three issues of eurobonds, the structure is very complicated . well, can you explain more simply how it all came to this or is it only the war that is to blame for this, please? well, you know, it is quite difficult to

analyze today the situation in nak naftogaz, why is it difficult because, as you know, even the verkhovna rada was forced at the suggestion of people's deputy kucherenko, write into the legislation that nk naftogaz should allow a state audit of nk on autogas, and in addition, one more point was written that nk naftogaz should publish the gas balance based on the gas balance based on the conducted audit we knew the whole picture the whole financial picture of naftogaz naftogaz and of course after such an audit questions may arise regarding the management of naftogaz how things were conducted in the company and why the company to date , there is no possibility to pay the corresponding

obligations, but still, the war also, of course, makes its adjustments, and of course, these are significant debts that arise due to non-payment by consumers, and there is a reason, but to understand it, i think what is the temporary commission created in the verkhovna rada? will it give a certain answer? what happened? yuriy about how everything came to such a situation in naftogaz, when debt resourcing was canceled, payments were, well, in fact, a state of default, but i will quote your words, and maybe it all started from there. you wrote like this in your time, in published e soberly e-e vitryanku came to the post. well, the top management

of avtogaz, i will say in russian in the spring of last year - this was a practical decision of the country's leadership . it really became a problem then. and is this critical situation in the state-owned national company explained only by the war? year to say that this happened because of the war. a beautiful argument why this is happening, of course it is not true a-a and eh, the confirmation is that mr. vetrenko together with firtash a-a made such a contract that canceled a-a the so-called bank guarantee when you complained, you had to buy from naftogazakaz, that is, before, if they had to buy gas from naftogaz for, let's say, 100 million hryvnias, they had to show a bank guarantee that they have this money, that is, if

suddenly they started playing for it and did not pay, then naftogaz would have taken this money, and after vetrenko became the head of the company, this clause was removed from the contract, it was previously in the contract, and the cloud companies had to show the money, but this clause was removed, which gave firtash's companies the opportunity to buy gas and it is not paid for, and the main deficit was created in the winter, that is, the flooding season, and as far as you know, the full- scale invasion began on february 24, and this, well, how can you gently say that it was not the beginning of winter? yes, accordingly, the main financial the problems were done before february 24 and they were done because the company does not pay for it, and the specific contract allowed

them . the verkhovna rada even forgave the huge debt of the firtash company, it was about 4 billion dollars, if i'm not mistaken, it's quite significant. well, yes, it was a decision. the decision was made last year, if i'm not mistaken. can you correct me if it didn't affect what and is it possible to see certain devices here as well, who won from this? well, who will lose? we can already see, mr. mr. it was sold to you first, please uh, well, look, i appeal again that the company is uh, a state company, it was not, in fact, controlled by the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, and this is really so because we see how the state company behaved in relation to gas production when it did not fulfill the obligations that the main shareholder presented to them so again what

is happening there and maybe there are those things about which today, a colleague spoke about these things that were allowed, let's say, things that allowed firtash companies not to pay for the gas they consumed. someone did a full audit of the company. you know that, however, he does not allow - he does not allow a state audit of his company, which is nonsense in general, because how can i be in the country, especially in such a difficult period as i am today and the company, of course, when requires er requires from the budget to ensure

financial stability in the natural gas market, how to ensure it is very simple, let's just forgive people money and let them not pay, but here there is no forgiveness, sorry . vorobstvo ah firtasha is saying this correctly, because no one forgives anyone any money. naftogaz and the government say, now you simply do not owe us anything, we will pay this debt to naftogaz with taxpayers' money, that's what's happening. well, it's as simple as that, you know , now they're asking for money from the government, so let's somehow restructure something else, but that's just a fact it is not a lot of allegedly money, but on the other hand, uh, 20 means 950,000 euros, naftogaz spent, well , on his own security, gazpom, on his subsidiary company, on the heat-armored ones over ukraine

, volodymyr zelenskyi, he approved uh, the decision about moratorium on raising tariffs for communal services and on august 18 he signed the law number 24 79 and x which finally approved the current prices for the time of hostilities and six months after their end, now the question is we have huge debts and yes they will not increase services how to pass where to get money for companies which also provide services to energy generating companies, so that somehow eh, to do all this again, ask abroad or where please. yes , sir, the first thing is to you. spring-winter period and of course they must have the necessary financial resources in order to make appropriate purchases for this, there are appropriate mechanisms for this and bank loans in order to postpone for a certain time

the obligations obligations from the same consumers to pay off the accumulated debt for the same winter, well, and of course without the support of uh, without the support of certain support from the budget . think that i would but i it would not even be a mess right now on the search for resources e-e on polish financial resources. it seems to me that today the most important thing for us is to preserve the physical resources we have in ukraine , this is also the coal that is mined in us e-e and i i am talking now about the physical protection of the air defense system, this is our shebelinsky deposit in the kharkiv region , so that we have the physical resources to have the opportunity to

go through the winter even without additional gas purchases, let's say so, in such a brutal economic regime, this is for today, this is for today, the main thing is to analyze the situation, for this we have the ministry of fuel and energy, there is a cabinet of ministers in order to take all, but not all , necessary measures, including, if necessary, allocating financial resources so that companies can provide in this difficult period us with energy resources, mr. mark well, you actually have the same question from naftogaz now too, as they say in circles, if in silks, i will tell you what will happen, which means first, as i already said, with money for logopeyshchikov we will pay a huge friend for that which windmill he made together with alcohol and then it will happen. well, how can you say that the history is repeated , only the fir is not in this system because oblgazy was taken from him. thank god at least for this, although of

course dmitry vasilievich has such a very good talent and he is taken back. this is already the case, i reminded him that the president wants to sell gas cheaply to the consumer, it is logical because now the war is a financial crisis. well, it is possible to understand power, let's talk openly with people. and no one will pay high prices for utilities, people will be under stress, the country's gdp will drop by 35%. well, i don't agree with the violation, but i understand it. i understand why the authorities do this. expensive gas and cheap gas that you will sell only so that it will sell heat to people cheaply there, that is, the naftogaz company will again accumulate uh losses, which in the end will otherwise be paid off with money on logopotechkov, in other words, we will simply pay for everything with you instead in order to buy tanks and armored personnel carriers, we will pay for bad

management of oil and gas. this is how it will work . thank you, the rain came. thank you that we discussed this topic at all. it is an important topic. i think that our discussion will continue in our studio . minister of energy and coal industry of ukraine in 2014 thank you very much mr. yury and thank you to mark savchuk, head of the public council of the national anti-corruption bureau of ukraine. so, why did such problems arise in oil and gas. we talked about how this will affect us , and after the trolleybus, we will talk with you about the elections of members of the supreme council of justice. this is the council, which actually can judge judges and who can get into this council. wait, let's talk while the whole country chooses the future of the program and its place in it. keep the chance that comes only once it generation is a program of numbers and partners for absolutely free training in it professions , get the profession of the future and become a fighter

of the digital front to ensure a strong economic backend and personal updike apply right now it generation chance for a great future dekists are surprised by the toilet in the house and we from ukraine can insure cars even if you are in the toilet hotline finance insurance of course online we continue the conversation big ether you know without honest judges of the reformed court that operates according to the law there can be no future for any state, a normal future, this is true even in spite of the war, and just as possible and in view of the war, it is now very important to create procedures by which judges will be elected of the members of the supreme council of justice, the most important thing is that they monitor the activities of judges, to whom you can

complain about the judges, elect honest people there, and here are the problems. because in our country, the verkhovna rada elected honest people, but then he went down the list, in our country, it means that to the supreme council of justice, they elect two presidents, two verkhovna rada the congress, the all-ukrainian conference of prosecutors elects lawyers of ukraine, higher educational institutions also elect, and the judges themselves also elect judges or judges 10 all others two each. elected, so to speak, representatives of higher educational institutions, well, they gathered in poltava, this issue was resolved, and there was such a dmytro lukyanov, i will not tell you about it, because i am including in the conversation maryna lames , the executive director of the foundation where -yure p. marino greets you, glad to see and hear. i just stopped at lukyanov and made a small introduction. maybe i made a mistake somewhere, but in general, i supposedly correctly sold this story about the meaning of the vrp and the elections and the procedure for electing members and

this congress of representatives of law universities. who is petro lukyanov? why was it chosen? how are we going to live with this? because there is one more person to be elected. please yes. first of all, i would like to start with the victories that er, you already mentioned a little er in the direction of reforming the judicial power in ukraine, in fact, a few days ago, the verkhovna rada, er, elected its candidates to the supreme council of justice, roman maselko and mykola moroz, in fact, are among these candidates. there were no public complaints against roman maselko, in general, is a person who enjoys great authority. he is a well-known lawyer, a public figure. he is known for the fact that, in particular, he represents the interests of the victims against the judges of the maidan, that is, the judges who made illegal decisions against the participants of the revolution, the

dignity of the participants of peaceful protests is therefore important . what kind of victory we should be proud of thank you for voting in support of these candidates. however, today a congress of representatives of higher education institutions of natural sciences and the nearest educational institutions was held and candidates were elected to whom there are many questions, in particular, he is known for supporting the appointment of unscrupulous judges therefore, expect that he will make some er decisions that, more likely, he will not make a decision ab- his activities in the supreme council of justice will er be directed to cleaning the judicial corps and er actually er it is

not worth it to ensure fair justice in the ukrainian judicial system. why did this happen? it is possible. i can list a number of reasons. some of my colleagues believe that certain well-known persons from the banking industry were involved in this. however, i would not rule out such a possibility either. hmm , there was some negligence on the part of the bank, and perhaps, on the contrary, not enough attention was paid to this congress, which made it possible to hold it first with some violation of procedures, and to bring it in such a way that many participants this congress did not have the opportunity to take part in it, but those who voted correctly, so to speak, and actually supported this candidate lukyanov in the end, instead, i want to say that from the representatives of scientists called er,

another candidate will be elected, and we as a public will, of course, pay much more attention to this than it was this time, because we can state that some loss er for our efforts because er well, we didn't succeed to prevent the fact that a dishonest candidate was elected after all. and this is extremely important, and not only because it is important to clean up the judicial system and it is important to reform our judiciary, but also because it is actually the reform of the judicial system, in particular the reform of the supreme council of justice and the supreme qualification commission of judges of ukraine this is one of the conditions of our candidacy in the european union, so i hope that the participants of the congress, that is, the scientists who will be elected as delegates from scientific educational institutions, and actually everyone who can

follow this process in the future, they will join it more actively, they will also follow the congress of scientists and the congress of judges and further other e-e procedures that will take place for the election of members of the supreme council of justice elect their representatives 10 if there are 21 members at all now performs the duties of the temporary supreme court, but 21 members of the supreme court, 10 of them elect judges, all the others are two each, the verkhovna rada, the president, prosecutors of the university, and the lawyers here are important. we will monitor, we will allow you to talk about it publicly if there are any problems and support you in this, of course, but if there are cysts of honest candidates, what effect will this have on the judicial system in general, how long will they be elected, this is not a lifelong title, please -er , it will have a much er, well, it will simply have an extremely negative er influence and much worse than we

can imagine today, because our as soon as possible victories, however, this front of work is also important , because in the case of the presence of the majority of unscrupulous and dishonest members of the supreme council of justice or the high qualification commission of judges, we will simply have for decades to come key bodies of the judicial power that will continue to appoint representatives of the so-called judiciary mafias will continue to appoint unscrupulous judges, so it is very important to follow all further stages of selection to the supreme council of justice and also to the supreme council of justice, thank you very much. joined our era. thank you for sharing important information and commenting on this news. of course, i would like to be happy and not so

happy about the election of candidates for the vrp . have a good evening and take care of yourself, well, this evening, in principle, started with p- this evening here in lviv, let's say a good one . it is very important for us to know and to understand what the weather will be like tomorrow, natalka didenko will tell us, let's listen and watch. everyone, synoptic greetings, dear ukrainians, and of course, i congratulate everyone with the apple spas, but we are talking about the weather, are we working as usual or a holiday ? will the weather and atmosphere be, you? you know , they always work. so, the weather, the weather forecast. to be more precise , we will look at the twentieth of august. then we will look at the 21st of august

. let’s see. how do you see the landscape? and more diverse, but it is also wonderful for our current situation, eh, in general, i think that even such a view of nature in what way gasses our hearts ukraine will fluctuate between 25-29 degrees, traditionally it will be warmer in the east and in the south up to 30-32 degrees. rains rains of the next day are most likely in the northeast of ukraine in the east and they will also affect the central oblast, we will talk about this a little later when i will review the weather forecast in each part of ukraine, and now we are going further to look at the

behavior of the earth's magnetic field, and if you see the forecast diagram, it is clear that fluctuations are observed, an activation of the earth's magnetic field is observed, so please, who reacts on magnetic storms negatively take care of your health about your well-being well, actually, we are starting the weather forecast for august 20 august 20 in the western regions of ukraine significant precipitation small probable only around carpathians in the carpathians there is a possibility of local thunderstorms , the air temperature is high 25-29° in the northern part of ukraine, zhytomyr oblast, kyiv oblast , insignificant precipitation in the sumy oblast, in chernihiv oblast, there is a chance of rain with a thunderstorm during a thunderstorm, even a qualitative increase in the wind , the air temperature is high 25-29 degrees in the eastern part of ukraine 26 30 27 32 and in the afternoon or even in the evening, short-term thunderstorms

, threats of possible squalls, increased wind in the central part of ukraine, vinnytsia , kropyvnytskyi and districts will most likely be without precipitation, for example, in poltava oblast, in the dnieper with the districts, there is a probability of short-term heavy such typical summer rains, the air temperature is also summer high in the southern part of ukraine +26-20 e-e nine somewhere 27 32 depending on how it will clear up from the rains and not or whether the sun will warm up more, rains are more likely in zaporozhye and crimea. finally, in the southern part of the country, precipitation will change with clearing, that is, the sun will also be enough in kyiv. on august 20, the weather is expected to be mainly dry and partly cloudy white clouds, blue sky, the air temperature will fluctuate between 28-29 degrees and again and again, of course. i congratulate everyone on the holiday, i hope that the apples are very tasty and, to be honest, i have borne a

lot of them this year. i congratulate everyone, i hug everyone for information about the weather tomorrow in ukraine, er. now i will tell you about the fact that we have cotton for the second night in a row in the crimea, explosions were heard in occupied yevpatoria, the russian mass media are writing about the work against air defense, i will remind you well, i think that everyone they know something is located in crimea, but yevpatoria is the western coast of the crimean peninsula, it is just not far from the place where it is located. the fedorovs babied the airport near the city of saki, so there is a gap somewhere and yevpatoria is also there. well, it does not sound there, they will also write about the fact that in belohorod region smoke, what exactly is smoky and burning, i don't know, at least there is no information about it yet, but the locals are, so to speak, a lover of the russian world, but the representatives of the bright russian world

, they already say that it is clear where to go it's falling from here, they'll be falling from there, the question is, what's the matter, how much time will it take, and the opportunity to fall, uh, bridge, bridge, because you can look for other ways if something happens to the bridge, well , that's actually what i wanted to tell you. i want to raise one topic now. the washington post wrote about how the russians were preparing for the capture of kyiv. the most interesting thing is that they were absolutely sure that they would not take kyiv, and in kyiv alone, on the eve of the war, up to 160 fsb agents were working, who were already planning a holiday in restaurants jsc праздавать с победу for three days well, none of this happened. by the way, the washington post is an interesting system. read it even if you don't know english . i think that everyone who knows english can read a very interesting article about what happened before the start of this war, well, that's it. actually, we will say goodbye to you, will putin go to the g20 itself? we will

talk tomorrow, and now for your attention, i offer a news release and some circles of the ukrainian bbc news editorial team. let's watch it together. good evening. we are from ukraine on the air of bbc new from ukraine live and from of london in the studio olga palamaryuk today in the issue ukraine warns of a major provocation at the zaporizhzhia npp what is happening at the station how drones help the armed forces target the russians bbc special report