you sbu 2014-2015, it's a pity that you didn't have time to ask about the fsb agent who tried to install their calculating device in the verkhovna rada, so where are you going to crowd us when there is silence right now for all those who died at the hands of the russian occupiers who every morning at 9:00 a.m. news e-e to be more precise or i apologize now we are announcing after a minute of silence the attention of vasyl zima's interview with viktor bronyuk, the frontman of the band tik, this is a series of interviews for the independence day of ukraine from the e team espresso watch, we will honor the memory with a minute of silence ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war that started it russia

i congratulate you dear tv viewers ukraine celebrates the 31st year of independence 31 years of de jure

independent de facto ukraine is currently waging a terrible holy bloody war for its true independence from russian instructions from the kremlin's dictates from the whims of the russian politicians who like to call themselves elder brother, this is a real holy war for our independence and so coincided that on august 24 we pass another important milestone six months from the day of the full-scale invasion of the russian federation on our territory well, today we invited a well-known person in ukraine to the conversation, the leader of the tik group, a volunteer and historian viktor bronyuk, mr. viktor, i congratulate you and have a good day, i congratulate everyone on the holiday of independence day, i wish for true independence within myself to get rid of that you know this syndrome of lesser value and to understand that we are representatives of a great nation with a good history

that should have a bright, good future for the civilized world. what is independence for you, if you are for we somehow tried to figure out this question and give ourselves an answer. we would like to hear this answer as well. well, for me personally, for example, i think that independence is an opportunity to be free and an opportunity to do that what do you want to be able to be happy and live in a country where you are not told what to do? what are you supposed to say? and let's say to be a human being in the normal manifestation of all this. surely, over the years, many ukrainians have not i once asked myself such a question. what is the real thing? independence and why it is needed and we saw firsthand the possibility to still be free and

the possibility to be in some kind of union with those people who still talked about brotherly love , then the rocket, we destroyed houses, killed relatives , killed friends, and today it seems to me that ukrainians understand more than ever what real independence is and appreciate the struggle, and i think that we have to fight for it and tell the story for generations and that there will be no more war and that we will no longer doubt for a second in that sense, who are we, why do we need this? on the first day of the war, you joined the vinnytsia territorial defense. are you arriving today as part of the vinnytsia territorial defense, yes, for today i am a soldier, er, this is a matter of defense, and now, er, of the city of vinnytsia, er, i think that it is probably

for every man, er, to defend his country and if, for example, today there are all questions about the fact that someone defends me with a machine gun, for example, the handing over has not changed globally. what i was doing all these years in the 14th year, i will remind you that we were actively engaged in material activity, communication logistical and uh, the same and now actually uh, of our territorial defense - this is a new new year of the month with many issues uh not resolved because, unfortunately, they were formed already at the moment when the enemy would be in our territory. therefore, now we try to do as much as possible provision, so that means the fighters, those who today are in advanced positions protecting the borders of our country, but they did not feel the need for

any ammunition, personal protective equipment, well, everything, because what is needed. well, this is a joint struggle, because someone has, someone is fighting. at the front, as it will happen in the dust, but this is joint work and our victory will also be common to all, but we really need such a classic image of the ukrainian kobzar, who, when necessary, sings folk songs with a kobza for the ukrainians. and so to speak, it either ignites their souls and their spirit , or somewhere it calms down, and somewhere it makes them cry. and when there is a war, this kobzar can also take a saber in his hands , that is, he is so versatile, and also ukrainian performers whom all our citizens love, listen to by heart, even those songs, they proved that they are real ukrainians, they are hmm , some of them took up weapons and went to the front to defend ukraine. and do you keep in touch with the performers who today are in the armed forces of ukraine, again,

or er, in the combat zone, or maybe somewhere also in the teroboron well, but in any case, they stood up for the defense of their country, we support it, but how can i tell you this? do you know that we meet there somewhere, or is she in my unit, for example, there is no such thing among my colleagues, but if there are any needs that arise somewhere someone needs a car, someone needs something there, someone needs something there for their brothers, and some medical equipment, something else, but there is communication here too, if when we address each other, no one there , especially, does not ask what how for what if there is for example, the appeal is a need and needs to be resolved. everyone understands that it must mean that it must be necessary here, it doesn’t happen any other way, but the question there is, for example , uh, still, if we talk there about creativity

, about musical activity, we periodically, as there is an opportunity, we, for example, collectively are not complete composition, because today part of our team, the mobilized part, is engaged in accurate evacuation in the east, so we do not have the opportunity to leave there with a full composition, but, er, the reduction is directly on the combat calculations of the combat units a little we support the fighting spirit. i think that this is also a necessary job, a necessary thing, it happens that we wait with someone as colleagues directly there , so no one came without even talking, we met, we talked, uh, we should meet, when he said in one of the interviews, they talked about what they expected, unlike many citizens of ukraine, they expected a full-scale invasion of the russian federation, or it didn't happen. just such a large-scale invasion and exactly the march to kyiv, because many expected it, i think somewhere there, maybe in donbas maybe somewhere in the south, but this kind of full-scale invasion didn't it come as a surprise to you? i graduated from the faculty of history and

, er, historians are sometimes called a bit paranoid because er, you know, my ability to analyze and what is happening, there is an opportunity to combine these cause and effect relationships, it was cause and effect, and what was wanted was not wanted. well, unfortunately, if the world entered that phase, and war was inevitable, and i am probably an extreme person in all kinds of this did not want and was afraid that she took place, but the factors that were, she says, have a moment, uh, already in society, they talked about the fact that there will be a war, and it will be cruel, it will be insidious, it will be uh, bloody, and i, for example, uh , a few days before the start of large-scale hostilities act

and see, with your family, with children, with your wife, we learned this way in the kitchen, they say, let's talk aloud, because the wife also started saying that you are already with yours, this is a war . panics it's no wonder that i didn't panic this time, for example hmm that's because in the 14th year i endured everything so badly. i even somehow got sick for a couple of days . in fact, i still have some kind of illness . my name is viktoria, so you know, the war was so bloody and terrible that it came to vinnytsia in the day when enemy rockets hit the center of the city, the center where the hospital was was destroyed, there was such a business, an office, a shopping center, and also the

officers ' house. that day and i also know that many townspeople joined in to help on this day at this time well, there was probably a panic, but people were already some kind of solidarity from what i read from what i see , please it so happened that uh, on that day, they just hit that crowded place where there are always people where is such a traffic junction and no one expected that hmmm that is exactly where the blow will be struck. and that is why it caused a very large number of victims. well, eh, the joke and communication of services and means did not give an opportunity for the first maybe minutes eh it is possible to save many lives because there is a large crowd of people it would have caused

the number of victims by itself, so there were sidewalk workers, police, medics, ordinary citizens at the hospital , and they taught all 25 a day heroic deeds because, let’s say, they were the result of their concerted actions. eh clear professional eh saved the lives of many people, unfortunately, there are many victims, including children, and it is very painful, and it even happened literally yesterday, eh, in that area where children's toys lie, where the consequences are still visible that explosion well somehow well i can't get it into my head that you know that in the third

thousand, well, in the xxi century, we are er 101 - this is a stupid war, it is so insidious, it takes human life, and the verkhovna rada of ukraine has laws that prohibit er russian music on television, radio and in public in some places, according to your observation, there has been less music in russian, do you know this as a law, a law? and whoever wants to spin it wherever he wants and rebroadcast it, so to speak, please. you see. if you would look carefully at the law there about russia, nothing is actually said, please, country- aggression the music of the aggressor country, the music of ukraine, aggression, but they have russian music there, usually, well, with and for me, let’s say a little bit like that yes, it’s strange because it’s been there for two years, it’s been there, let’s say time will pass there er, all wars will end and this

one god willing will end and then everything will fall into place again, but ukraine russia will no longer be an aggressor , and we will again see the efforts of russian music, well, you know, whoever wants it will actually listen and this is the question look at each of us, we always have a claim to the artists they sing in russian there is another thing, but they listen to them, you understand why this is a two-way process , and if they weren’t listened to, if there wasn’t such a large army of fans in front of the citizens, then there wouldn’t be, they didn’t sing, that’s why you can’t unanimously talk about what and where they are bad there, and here it seems to me that those who listen here have such a limit of responsibility that the one who sings in russian therefore eh here it is certain that this is a joint effort and there should be joint work of the listeners eh viewers and performers in order to perform

once and for all, this brotherly language in quotation marks and to understand that my speakers are beautiful and have a beautiful language culture and it must be developed. i want to say that i, let's say, could hear russian before the war, i didn't listen to it because i wasn't i'm a big fan of russian performers, well, none of them for me, somehow russia disappeared in 514, in principle, but well , it's russian music, russian words. they're kind of like that, but now i can't hear them. well, i don't know how people react to this, i don't understand why they listen, i can't hear russian, but i listen i try to search for ukrainian on all these applications and listen to ukrainian. i think that it is ukrainian that should be done. well, we need to support the development of our music and our culture. i would like to know what to ask, how did you react? to understand that they are the occupiers, that they do not know ukrainian, so to speak, the culture of identity, one question was deer, deer, a question mark. well, the ukrainians answered unshaven, unshaven

, and the russians did not know how you reacted to this the fact that your already legendary classic song was used in order to, so to speak, identify the enemy in ukraine, you have no idea how many people then reset my passwords and, uh, for identification, uh, they came to me 24 hours a day, and you saw and you know? and you know what you saw? well , you already see it. you already entered history. there are some of them. well, actually, i was pleased . i just started talking about having someone there for me forever crossed out russian music for the russian language. but literally last year, we were just there , in the east of ukraine, and we went to one of the

network of gas stations. well, it was the 19th year, for sure. so, and there the song как упоительны в россии вечера was playing all the time, yes. that is, it is in the controlled territory of ukraine, and in fact , no one. we complained about the fact that the people, well, it can somehow be a war here and there, what about you you start with this question. what do you start with everything else? i have to do it and get rid of it forever. no , we will not even talk about this. we will already have permanent things, such as the language, the culture , and ukrainian, and when the ukrainian language becomes the language of communication, and then it will be completely different,

we saw it on february 24, well, all ukrainians saw it, many of you saw it before, but on february 24, in principle, everyone saw it, because the rockets flew to every corner of ukraine, even to transcarpathia, that's why they saw it what is the russian world video internet television everyone showed everything well, is it only a stupid or blind person who did not want to and could not see, in your opinion, after this very bright demonstration of the russian world, ukraine got rid of him, or does he still continue to nourish his roots here in the ukrainian soil, unfortunately , this question has not gotten rid of it. probably, it is not one generation yet, eh, you see, it is somehow a little strange , eh, that we are 30 years of independence of the state, and we still talk about it, we say it, because all this time, we are it's just the ghost of sovka, but he is for some reason

we were formed by some such syndrome of inferiority and tolerance towards our people, against whom there was no stupid big brother. so, and about what i already talked about at the beginning there today. what, yes, they considered us a brotherly people there, but despite all that, they always considered themselves older so, when you start arguing with him , saying that you are no longer brothers, you ca n't be older, yes, that is, it's the same, uh, that today we are talking about uh, what uh, well, finally , everything is already inoculated, rockets knocked down your houses you know i look like this talking with people with others. it seems to me that i don't know what should happen to those people so that they finally exclude it in their heads. and they didn't even think in this direction at all. here is the one who got rid of his property there,

who got rid of his. well, let's say their place of residence. have already understood what it is, but since the majority of people, er, it is still the same. never learn the lessons even if we don't today let's learn lessons from this war, then, well, it will come to us in a couple of years again. our children, our grandchildren will fight with machine guns, they will liberate their land again, and now the question is what should it be as tough as possible, tough, of course, non- traumatic well, although it is possible for someone and traumatic to whom these traumas are necessary humanitarian cultural policy of ukraine after the war to simply form help people to form in the ukrainian context because the ukrainian context is huge powerful what some call ukrainian

culture is small well, this is what mother teresa said, the world is not small enough to accept the children you kill. your hearts are small, yes, this is not ukrainian culture, small, this is your knowledge of culture, small, obviously. well, i think you know who i am talking about, i will not name names but what should the cultural and humanitarian policy be in order to once again place people in this ukrainian context and they are used to it, they began to feel comfortable in it, you see , we were not independent at all of the national idea, that is, there was no concept of any complex concept in this field, which was formed in order to develop people, the national spirit of the tour, or some national interests, instead, everything was always like our countryman writer stepan rudansky in one of his works, what i tear off from the top

, then from the bottom to. that is, uh, somewhere in some segment , they tried to do something, but it doesn't work like that, it should be uh, a comprehensive approach, uh, starting from the fact that the concept of national education because we have already brought up several generations of ukrainian citizens without a proper national basis. that is, somewhere there, everyone teaches something on their own, but it shouldn't be like that, that is, there should be some kind of reference point, there should be some kind of goal, some direction. who are we? we bring up when we want to see on the way out and then it will be much easier to work with whatever word we call it. well, i will say ukrainian because they were born in ukraine. in the ruins of buchachi irpinya, as one singer did, and they simply stayed there, or kept silent about the aggression or pretended that it did not concern them. well, it is

certain that this word was coined, a lot of selichyt language , they were called mankurts once, yes, that is, people who they went from their native land and they were reborn in them and started in general. well, they forgot who they are from and where. and what, as it seems to me, is a very comparison and there is no need to supplement it. and that for you victory in this war for me personally is definitely the opportunity to wake up every day is not think about what will fly to your place today, this is an opportunity to do your favorite thing, like us, singers, to go to the cities, happy, peaceful ukrainian cities and welcome people with some events , to create a holiday. this is victory, for sure, this is the

feeling of a fraternal night, yes, and yet finally , uh, stand up and declare to the whole world why i am the representative of the nation, which uh, has its own country, which has its heroes, and which uh, has its own independence, for which it was chosen in such a difficult struggle and at such a terrible price your songs on the lips of all ukrainians, for sure, some have become classical and almost folk, and from now on, music comes to visit you, write lyrics, write music, but so that i can remember it productively

. probably not, because it takes more time, after all, routine work is connected with military work and with humanitarian work, something appears there a little bit for a while, i think that if only they sang this song, no one will keep it to themselves and we will definitely sing them. thank you very much. i believe that you and your colleagues they will put it in the music shop swords will cut them off, as they say, and they will take up musical instruments and our victory at big concerts all over the country, you will sing your legendary, truly folk songs, thank you very much for taking part. this eh in this festive moments independence day 31st independence day independence that ukraine continues to fight for today in this terrible,

difficult, bloody, but holy war for us, we continue our broadcast on the espresso hanna channel valevsk game clearing 9:25 on the clock today , august 20, saturday and the latest information from the occupied crimea rifak chubarov, head of the forest of the ukrainian tatar people, reported on his facebook page 25 minutes ago at 8:20 in the morning in the area of ​​the headquarters of the russian black sea fleet in the occupied ak' there was a loud explosion in sevastopol, we are waiting for details. well, mr. chubarov continues his vacation in sevastopol. it looks like sevastopol is now occupied and 9.05 e

adds refat chubarov, are you talking about akiyar or sevastopol, amused, reports that i am at the headquarters of the fleet 25 minutes ago, a drone flew in. unfortunately, fortunately for us, it was not shot down, although they worked over the bay with small arms and it was going low, there were no victims. well and adds the referee chubarov , but we are waiting for confirmation from independent sources. this is what is happening now in sevastopol, what do they call the city of russian sailors? well, in the crimean-tatar language, it is called aryan andriy smoliy with us already political expert, candidate of legal sciences , international lawyer, mr. andriy, congratulations good morning glory to ukraine yuriy podorozhnyi is with us please tell me, political technologist, expert of the ukrainian center for social development mr. yuriy and good morning to you, everyone has gathered, let's start, please, what is happening now in crimea, how big are these explosions i read we just read out the

sevastopol newspapers last night late and at night well, everyone there is in shock, there are explosions, shootings, and they are already writing to each other, well, they write and write to each other about air defense why are you publishing the location of the air defense forces? the location of the air defense forces is not revealed. such conversations are already taking place in sevastopol. to what extent will this change the public mood on the peninsula? well, in sevastopol, in particular, andriy, let’s start with the fact that we are not there, that’s why, of course, officially, we ca n’t speak there. about what exactly their actions are on the part of ukraine, but in fact we now see that there are certain certain movements, so to speak, in the direction of crimea , we see what happened yesterday, we see that, in principle , the russian air defense systems are already starting to work, we see explosions at er and airfields of the

crimea. i think that regarding today's event, we need to wait for some kind of official information, or at least semi-official information from the ukrainian side, so that something can be commented on in more detail, but if we talk about geopolitical dimension yes, this is clearly already a breach on the side of our state in favor of ukraine, what is happening today in crimea , first of all, the soil is starting to feel what ukrainians have actually felt since february 24, the sirens, the work of air defense, the explosion, this is what they brought our earth and today they should fully feel the same on their territory on their military bases on their airfields what they did let's remember those first days the second question if we talk again about the geopolitical dimension this really turns the situation around

because it is already in essence, the overturning of combat actions is actually the overturning of the already active phase of the war , including on the territory of the supposedly safe crimea, as the muscovites believed, to which nothing can reach there, nothing can fly there, as we can see drones may fly, missiles may fly, saboteurs may appear there and so on and so on and so on, all this can happen here, and today it clearly demonstrates that ukraine has risen a notch higher actually in this military arena, in the arena of combat actions and this means that russia in this case will suffer more and more or this special military operation will suffer more and more failure not only