friezes a child from 3 to 5 years old, i.e. these images , this twisted reality in which he lives, uh, he really creates what a painful uh-uh creature, i won’t say there, it’s a personal creature, not among radio experts who communicate with representatives of various religious communities, uh- you can hear that the vast majority believes that before us is something infinite, an infinite being, that is, there is no longer a soul there, and there is only this demonic nature that is aimed at destruction, he is no longer dealing with what he should be dealing with even a dictator who creates something for his people, but for him and his people, he has nothing on the walls and

, even more so, other peoples, he has a certain such morbid hyperdea that has taken over as a sub-state the internals personally and that has supplanted everything human and before us we see here is exactly this demonicity, where it is not us who demonizes putin or the russians, they demonize themselves, they demolish themselves by creating the actual, er, well, a terrible phenomenon , er, when in the 21st century, not the entire civilized world not only looks with amazement and horror at the space called russia and uh, they ask themselves questions, they try to somehow explain it, but it is clear that there are practically no such rational explanations, there is no value component there, there is no non-component,

which is connected, for example, with humanity in general, with rational calculations and some kind of logic, but uh- uh, we really encountered something that is beyond human limits and the human dimension doesn't work there now uh, hmm, it's not just about putin, we talk very often about collective putin, so now part cultural figures of the russian federation, people whom we read, listened to, watched, people who very often came to our literary forums, festivals, and so on, for example, the writer tatiana tolstoy, for example, the conductor george, or the very famous world-famous a-a, for example, the director

of the hermitage museum, mikhail petrovsky they say directly , we are all militarists, imperialists, war is the self-assertion of a nation, well, in the xxi century, you are absolutely right, it is not just archaic, it is some kind of very painful rhetoric, how do you perceive it, they are they saying this from the position of strength for today or from the position of weakness, this is weakness - it is not strength, you understand, yes, it is, back in the 50s, there was a study about rapists in general, and those who generally have such a disease of violence and all you derived such a formula that any such rapist is a weak being, this is a weakness, this is a weakness, they cannot bring order to their country, a huge country with huge

resources, fantastic, and cannot really form something decent for their people, and uh, they continue uh- and this very mythological one song in order to somehow justify this imperialism and imperialism - in their understanding, this is simply not an extensive path of development, that is, the capture of new and new territories, and again , this is not just a capture, but a return to this myth created by me about russia's past, which is really there was never such a myth but they created it for themselves, they are in love with it and they are blinded by this myth and uh, not taking into account at all the development of modern civilization or their understanding of

real history and this is forgetting their history not a they are actually erasing history, and they are actually rewriting history. they rewrote starting with catherine ii and rewrote their own history, again trying not to capture other histories, the same history of ukraine from which they do not feel the same inferiority complex, this inferiority complex will feed them and in fact imperialism where he really tells them at an unconscious level about their weakness and in order to constantly confirm his strength not again as a rapist why does he not have violence in order to raise the level of testosterone, this is such an image of constantly raising testosterone to this level in order to feel

its mythical greatness there - this is precisely the characteristic of modern russia, all of these intellectuals, too, and i always think about when we are not like that, not only us, but the whole the world failed when we were blind and failed eh how mature eh matured in russia this is what yulia latynina says now eh concentration camp so eh how this terrible putin's totalitarianism matured eh eh someone is very good yeblinsky seems to have said very well that putin he never hid that, he directly said at the munich security conference in 2007, yes, in this speech, he directly said what he would do to georgia in 2008

. and everything was already clear. but the world did not react, the world was blind for some reason or not blind, but the widow, what is it that he does not notice what is ripening in russia, how do you see it? do you see why it happened? and was it possible to somehow avoid or prevent this, let's say 10 or 15 years ago. well, you know you can't look at history in the wrong way everything that happened happened and everyone looked at russia and still some people look at russia from the point of view of what kind of picture russia itself gives under this view, we already understand with you that russia invested a lot of money in order to make this picture , they, uh, deliberately set out to create an

image in the world of this facade of the potemkin villages, the facade of russia as a civilized state, not as a powerful state that has a huge army there, that has the same resources and has right oce has the right and they gradually, through money and corruption through the mass media, created everything necessary so that the world would not look in this direction, that is, so that the world would not have that vision of the real russia, such as we now saw, for example up close is it really directly and hm uh-uh this is how it comes out in human human consciousness it uh saves itself it does not

try to look from the point of view of some uh-uh ordinary logic not taking into account that uh russia lives in a completely different dimension there is logic it is not the logic of the civilized world and not this led to that the world didn't want to see the world didn't see the world was fascinated by how and where some are now being controlled by russia and for example when we talk with you there about the european world they have already seen russia up close and when we talk about uh there uh the muslim world, why do they support the same putin there, the same and the same, for example , or also syria for the same egypt, for example, because none of them actually doubts this picture

, which is shown by the same putin, and also russia, and these people work there -e rashi tudihi in arabic that is, this space is not a huge space of the islamic world, it still looks at russia through russian eyes and these are also problems how do you perceive not only not only the position of your own ignorance or lack of understanding, but also your own , or unwillingness to understand yes, but there are, let's say, famous european intellectuals let's say the philosopher hamermans or the canadian psychologist jordan peterson who are trying to do the usual evil who are trying to tell us that russia is equally invincible and we need to

find a compromise and we need to recognize the right of this evil for existence because it is invincible, how do you perceive it, because kaberman is a very authoritative intellectual in the world, so definitely, but that he got stuck in his optics for a very long time, his view . he looks at russia, not from the position of his vision, which was formed in he was probably 40-50 years ago and to say that he was wrong is fatal for him, it means that everything he saw in the world before that, he thought about the world, he constructed some kind of vision of the world, it means that he actually crosses it out what a life experience

considers russia as not at all why russia and russian culture they look at russia through the prism of russian culture, which they also fantasize about this topic, definitely, in fact, not after 1917, in the 18-20s, when what which were so disastrous for the russian intelligentsia for russian culture in general in the broad sense of the russian empire which have already become part of european american culture they did not bring their own nostalgia for great russia they already brought this pro-russian image culture is not about a special russian culture, and it fascinated the world, or at that time it turned the world around, and we

saw it in the 20s and 30s, and then. that in 1944, stalin issued such a uh, well, in fact, an order that uh, the entire history of soviet history, russian history was written through the prism of uh, i would say the greatness of russian culture, that is, what does it mean, for example, where we know that edison created there e electric invented the electric light bulb not and but same russian history will tell you that at first there were apples, that is, every invention in the world was viewed through a prism or a

fantasy, again, they created a myth that we had it before, that we had the best composers , that we had the greatest literature and this is gradually enchanted the world was also part of the ideology of soviet and then modern russia, and they were under the influence of exactly this ideological subversion. and that is what i call it. logical subversion and therefore bribery of the masses and other small number of intelligent western intellectuals, but still continue to look at russia with old eyes, which is again formed by this myth, and now i want to ask you pro-russian intellectuals, not imperialists, but russian liberals this is due to the fact that

, in particular, the day before yesterday yulia latynina, a russian journalist, was outraged by the idea of ​​visa restrictions for russians and she believes that they are indiscriminately sent back to the concentration camp, that is, russian intellectuals believe that they do not carry responsibility for the concentration camp in their country a-a i want to ask how you feel about this responsibility and immediately one more question. here i feel in russian intellectuals such a willingness and desire, they understand what awaits their country absolutely er-er they are aware of this and they it is clear that they are in exile in different countries, some in the baltic countries, some in georgia, some in israel, it is clear that the language is foreign, small countries are not comfortable, and it is clear that they are all looking

towards ukraine in order to be here, as she said latinina to create, to revive kievan rus, and as i understand it, to create just a small democratic russia for myself, what do you think about the house of russia in kyiv after after the victory ? it was written that there is such a thing as collective responsibility, if you are a thinking person and if you would like to change something, you must do something, really do it . opinion, but still tries not to expose himself to danger, all this suggests that you are a

complicit, a complicit, everyone is a co-creator of this regime, hey, i recently read a post of a russian woman who is already more katya has been living in vinnytsia for 20 years, and on this very issue she is categorically against these russian liberals. she actually supports the position of ukraine with our call not to let russians into europe, which in fact is dangerous for russia and even more so for ukraine, too. now is really such a time when the russians must prove if they are really the ones who say that they have some liberal vision of a democratic russia and they must either

become those who fight against this putin regime and not just not criticize or still remain in this concentration camp if they don't they chose exactly such a position, and i think that uh, this is their uh, with uh, with well, i would say well, what kind of suffering are they , uh, about which they are now talking about, that uh, actually closes for them these european horizons that they can't uh -e there to go beyond the limits actually if if you want to be there, to political migrants, then you must declare that you are a political migrant, that you are really breaking ties there, you must once again prove that your life is in danger, you are in danger, that is, you must do something if you really are a person who does not consider himself, who considers himself to be

with this dimension of a person, it is humanity, if you have values ​​and really these values ​​are not just general such values, namely internal values, values ​​​​that shape you exactly as a person on a non- sectional basis, practically just intellectual creature but this is not a person who chooses these values, that is, regarding the idea of ​​the revival of kyivan rus, e.e., in the performance of yulia latina. and in general, russians are good russians here in kyiv. kyiv rus they created it, they created it in order to join the source of reproach as they consider their own, in fact, their story is

not a story, but kyiv rus is a completely different story there is nothing terrible in this story and when i read the story there russia i don't understand why there is no history there mordovian mumbles silent chicheri misi strange white-eyed people of large ethnic groups that have practically disappeared or are disappearing now and this is the territory of russia and this is exactly what i mean, sorry, pereb, i mean here, it’s like i understand it. i mean to what extent. do you see the threat that the russians, coming here to kyiv, will again impose their agenda, and will again call us to peace for understanding and restoration, and peace and friendship. do you see this threatening call , unconditionally, and we all know this is history we have no

a huge period of common history and this common history gives us experience, not exactly the historical memory that we have, it should be a safeguard , in fact, we have already been vaccinated, both by this war and in general by that historical time that we had not together and we must not forget here we have to score, i constantly remember your phrase that the nation is on the radio, here i even unfolded it for myself in some lectures, i constantly talk about it because we we form our own text and for this in order to form our own text we need to understand where we come from, who we are, to remember the historical memory, eh, and eh, now there is such a thing, not a criticism, a dispute about the title of yaroslav

hrytsak's book, not to overcome the past well, the phrase overcome itself, i also don't like it because it is ambiguous and any term that is ambiguous can be used in any way, the same putin would also like to overcome our history , rewrite it in fact, and we need to understand, know our history, it is not different, and we must understand it and have the same tool both historical and modern , fantastic moments like this are happening in our time, which are also present in this vaccination against this threat, not the threat of the same russian liberals, and we finally have a common pantheon of our heroes, and we can no longer argue about the hero of the east and the west. north or south, these are our common heroes, and it is this

memory that already exists, that is already being formed about our relationship with russia, it becomes really such an important safeguard against these suggestions. i would say the same about a certain such unity, friendship, and so on, this will not happen for a long time. i have two more questions . did the ukrainian people surprise you with something? did you discover something new about the people for yourself in the way that the people are resisting this full-scale invasion ? you are expected to say that all expectations mean losing the theory itself , which is inherent in any researcher of

surprise, i am really surprised, not surprised, once again, i am surprised by this horizontal of our nation, it is horizontal, if the russian nation, they are hierarchical, everything that comes down from above, they perceive us as slaves, then we are really a horizontal nation, this was manifested precisely in the fact that our horizontal space is a space of love, we show the fact well, such manifestations of love are fantastic for volunteer russia at the front , under the queues in the military commissariats on the first days of the war, all that says will talk about the fact that we did not just go with some kind of hatred for the enemy, we went with love for our land, we protect our love, we protect our difficult relatives, not just there are loved ones, ideal people, we protect our right

to love this land and to die and live on this land and when, for example, i speak there, if you formulate it for me, the formulation of ukraine is modern in three words, i would say that it is freedom, it is dignity and it is identity. these three components are exactly what characterize modern i'm delighted, i understand . i see the shortcomings, well, there are a lot of points that need to be worked on. what's next for us, but now i'm just uh, tears well up in my eyes when i see our defenders, our volunteers, a couple of medics for everyone, and this and this is a moment that the car does not give the inner perspective that we did not just win in existential these cities, we won in humanity in

love and that means that we only have to win in weapons . this is a very good ending to the conversation mmm very logical and encouraging light thank you for this conversation ihor kozlovsky religious scholar and the scientist was actually a guest today we will see each other next wednesday at this very time and as always i say thank you to the armed forces of ukraine for that this conversation was possible. glory to ukraine for 11-year-old sasha marchenko, who disappeared in early

march in mariupol. they managed to find the boy. his uncle, who lives in the territory controlled by ukraine, told the man where his nephew is now and what horror the child had to go through. so sasha lived in mariupoli together with mother, grandmother and grandfather, when the war started, they tried to evacuate, but , unfortunately, they did not manage to leave the city. somewhere on the 22nd, they went up to the apartment in order to take food and take what today, after that there was a whistling and a strong explosion, a crash , here is a photo of the house where sashko lived , the explosion was very powerful, and then a strong fire started, they all ran together to the balcony because it started very quickly, the fire was very strong. he

says that it just broke out at one moment and a very strong fire started, little sashko, his mother, grandmother and grandfather found themselves in a fire trap on the seventh floor of the house , there was no way to go down the stairs, grandfather. he climbed over the railing of the balcony to the outside in order to therefore he tried to help them go down, but he didn't make it and fell down, unfortunately, sasha's grandfather died. meanwhile, the fire was getting stronger, and in order to save the boy, mother and grandmother tied sheets and began to lower the child down. they were some kind of sheets. some kind of sheets, uh, they they tied them up, tied up sasha and started and gave him a backpack phone and started to lower him down. sasha says that when he was still going down to us, his mother , svetlana's mother, and grandmother already started to burn, the fire was

very strong and they burned down there, the boy was being lowered on the 7th floor and on the 5th, he was picked up by a neighbor woman who took sasha to the street, and there they were stopped by the russian military, they went with her down the street , it was dark and they were noticed by some russian patrol, well, some patrol noticed them, picked them up from the street, put them in jail they got on a small bus and took them to nova azov, nova azov, they got to the local police station, mr. oleg was already able to talk to sashko via video link and make sure that the nephew is alive, now the man is trying to restore the boy remotely documents to try to get him to a safer territory, at the same time, mr. oleg says that sashko's experience unfortunately did not pass without a trace and affected his psychological state, the child

became locked in. now he has some mental problems , it is clear that he is not in contact with such cases in ukraine now, unfortunately, there are too many . therefore, the international children's fund unicef advises parents of children who have suffered psychological trauma due to the war as follows: do not avoid talking to the child about his experiences, tell the child that you must take care of her safety with younger children, you can act out fairy tales about how the main character survived difficult times and what awaits him in the future . if there is such an opportunity, of course, seek help from a psychologist, returning to sashka marchenko and taking into account the horror that the boy experienced, say what it is a story with a happy ending unfortunately , it is hardly possible although of course