the loss of these years that we were actually not aware of the russian threat, we were not aware of that, well, that is, not everyone was aware and those on whom the state decision depended, they just reduced to a lesser extent they were aware that russia would attack, that it was preparing for it, that it was working on it without stopping hands, since august 24, 1991, that she only dreams of uh, to tear away piece by piece of territory from us, to install some kind of puppet government in kyiv, to keep us completely under control, and that's what the leadership of ukraine mainly took this threat lightly and did not take it into account conditionally, which

gives grounds to ask about pickled, wasted chances, wasted fish, in fact, of course, it was necessary to demonstrate its pro -westernism with all its might, swearing at the russians and you with them on conflicts while they were not yet so militarized and weak, spoiling relations with them and building relations with the west is by all means breaking into the structures, first of all, to nato and so on and so on well, but i keep hope that it will it couldn't be like i wanted today, it could n't be this rapid and westernization of our country. but everything is forcing us to it. but russia is taking away the lives of ukrainians, taking away the houses, housing, i will destroy this uh-uh

ukrainian uh-huh world. it had to happen , the late oleksandr kryvenko believes. the great ukrainian journalist said at one time that he was a hard westerner and adheres to this very idea that ukraine must destabilize if it wants to survive, but if to such processes that today are no longer fearing some slurs, they openly call it russification, or should directification take place , and is there also, well, there may actually be an anti-western aspect, since in this there is someone who says that this is such a policy of resentment, in your opinion, we have not hmm, we would not have reached a resolution yet in other words , we are in the midst of such a great political, military, military-political crime, which, in relation to us, is a country

called russia, and accordingly, the escalation of this crime on their part will cause more and more a clearer and more radical understanding of that. do we need russification or not? to a large extent, it all depends on what the atrocities of the russians will be and how long these atrocities will continue if, let's say, it becomes impossible even today russia suddenly will announce that it will stop its aggression, will withdraw its troops from ukraine and will try to restore some kind of civilized good-neighborly relations with us.

russification will not work in our country if russia. and i tend to think that this is a much more likely option if it will increase its aggressiveness, its criminal potential, if it arranges for us a few more absolutely expressive manifestations of genocide, and behind these manifestations there will be only one goal of destroying ukrainians, then definitely in relation to russification, well, it is not just possible it will become such an absolute prerequisite for our further historical survival. well, finally, i will ask what for you personally is the victory of ukraine in this war, membership in the european union , ignore these two points, and they will mean how

it seems to me that they will also mean territorial reconquest, yes, that is, a return to those borders in 1991, from which independent ukraine began, so thank you. yuriy andruhovich was very much there for this conversation with us. and actually, we also wish everyone a good day independence day of ukraine, which is approaching, is not very cheerful. i congratulated you on independence day. well, there is still a little more time. well, you know that, the price that is paid for this

independence is so high that today this holiday takes on a very sacred or sacred meaning . content, that is, there is no such reason for stupid stupid laughter, then and now more more something so very important something so that sometimes it takes your breath away so when you see that right now there are a lot of ukrainians who may not have fully understood what the price is and what this day means that this is not just a day for holding some concerts and parades and that this is a special day that is worth holding on to that is worth that is worth appreciating and a lot of ukrainians understand this one because this independence is for them and they also felt that they they are fighting for it, uh, well, we are continuing our marathon and in our second hour we will talk about what is happening with the zaporizhzhia nuclear

power plant, and we are in touch with oleksiy ryabchyn, the deputy minister of energy and environmental protection in 2019 and 2020 greetings, mr. oleksiyev, m.m. good afternoon, dear studio, dear viewers, such rather alarming news from the gas station, and the whole world is alarmed, and uh, we have information that nato uh, if suddenly there is a radiation leak due to russia's attack on the zaporizhia npp, nato use article five of your charter. how do you think it will come to this scenario? how crazy are the russians in their actions? the answer to the second question: they are crazy. nata and the

fifth article well, what i read is now in the press, this is a statement from the head of the prohibition committee of the chinese parliament, who said about it, then the process declared. in the states, that is, we see political statements are not statements from official representatives of nato, that is, authorized to do so. well, this is already a very serious indicator that the whole world is watching this situation, and i really hope that a solution to this situation will be found. the best thing for us is that, of course, the russians leave this dangerous situation they tried to connect it to russian networks or to crimea or something. they are trying to do better .

to his enclave and give an answer in general what is changing in this direction at the beginning of the week misha was quoted by the russian ministry of foreign affairs who threatened openly threatened megate that if the mother's delegation actually goes through kyiv, something may happen to them and it will be a dangerous trip and so on well, they answered, as they say, no well, the threats are not covered up, just not hidden, now it seems that there is information that the russians seem to be able to allow the delegation of the megate to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant on the terms of kyiv, what is it called comment on this moment, what if this delegation actually has to do there, here is the second question, i like more your correct question, what can they do there, i heard a statement from the director of megatep for a lot of money, i expected that we had the occupied chornobyl station, and what will he go now, everything will be sorted out well, if it was simply declared, you know and i understand, well, he has an organization that unites all

nuclear plants and he has to do something, he as a director did nothing, that's why he was so active, i show some desire to go hmm in the end, he went to ukraine and met with a sign minister. i think he met with the president , i could be wrong. i think he had a meeting with the president. well, if nothing happens, he always, for example, i will go. i will go there. well, he did not agree with russia and not there. it was like well where the factor of vegetarianism is a certain occupation for him to negotiate with them to go now is a completely different matter when now when these negotiations were undertaken at the highest level in the organization of the united nations when the visit is added in including the president of france, macron, who yesterday called putin for the first time in 34 months, and there was already a scandal with macron, remember that he recorded a conversation with putin and poured into the media the still very angry russian, well, that is, the case is moving, if it will be hydrouni, what is it it will be through our territory

if it will lead to consequences, not like we were . just go and get involved, it is wrong to go to solve the situation and it will prove whether russian troops are there, that is, de facto, there was no russian equipment on ours. how was it good? so what, maybe , will russia be ready, uh, i don’t know, to install there, well, at least some kind of neutral i read the zone in your opinion in this direction to conduct negotiations, i do not think that they will pass from here so easily, it is profitable, they are blackmailing the world, they are negotiating with them. it's a lever that they can continue to terrorize there , and you can see who is responsible for it, well, it's

just scary that they can play with these things, despite the fact that i believe in our ukrainian energy workers, as i have been to many nuclear power plants and communicated with by people and well, they are trained to work in difficult conditions in our country, no one was trained to work in the occupation in theory when you can't do take away when, well , mother to study well, i believe in our people in our specialists do they do everything possible to prevent a disaster and you saw the first when they captured this guard station, did you see a salute rocket, and our firefighters maneuvering near russian tanks are going to save and do their job. i am proud of my people and i hope everything will be alright, mr. oleksia. please tell me, we talked a few days ago with experts who said that the workers that's why no one in russia

listens to them, even if they speak. well, these are people who understand what they are dealing with, and even if they speak, no one will listen to them and will not hear them, and the latest information is that they are in it as if they left the territory of the zaporizhzhia npp, that is, there is no such reasonable restraining factor on the part of russia, in fact, now there is no longer any. i have no insider information on the wiring , i can no longer comment there. with colleagues who have more information there. well, de facto. well, what did you understand that the people who are engaged in nuclear energy there have all of them soviet, soviet education, they have such, you know, stones and protests and even there at the beginning of the war since 2012, i know that well, people at the professional level there at the scientific level communicated because they were graduates of the same higher education there or attended the same conferences, that is, every

director of a nuclear power plant there in his 30s and 40s knows the same themselves in the seedlings in the russian federation, there are others. that is, this proterstvo, if you can call it carbamistics, yes, how can i influence something? i haven’t heard anything from russian nuclear scientists, from russian specialists, from russians , i don’t know station directories, what, what are you there you can't do that to the military. well, you can't, that is, they understand it perfectly . you understand the consequences, and if , god forbid, something happens there, the wind can blow over to russia, and you are silent, and there is no way not to make your military angry. plans what the occupiers will transfer to crimea to russia this

electricity produced by the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, but several events have taken place in the last seven days, including the power lines of crimea and kursk oblast. made it impossible , and whether and to what extent, if so, once again, it is necessary to be specialists on the ground to know the situation so as not to be vocal there, but hmm, for sure there are military experts claiming me for this glory. well, me it seems that what i see is that the ukrainian side is sitting idly by and it is demonstrating to the russian side that their intentions are, we know, we understand , we can warn, and it's such people, you know , that i warned people or that i hope will discourage the russian federation to do the business

of connecting this station there or to the crimea or to the russian forces there, it doesn’t matter what they were planning there, and this is exactly what will force them to negotiate and get out of here, one of the elements well, actually returning to the topic of concern serious neglect and the deputies of various parliaments about what and congressmen and about the fact that the situation can be so serious that it can even be considered as the fifth article of nato itself, that is, in fact, as an attack on the members of the alliance to what extent is this not an exaggeration or is it really the situation can be so threatening that the lives, health, and even the lives of the residents of the nearest european countries will be affected, well, the situation is serious, any incendiary nuclear plants, i don't even know, a small fire on some transformers, or have you ever had, well, any

the station incident is serious. we saw it for a few minutes. this day there were various chernobyl focuses and others that happened and for the sake of this. it is precisely this organization that was created as much as possible and for the sake of the creation of very strict criteria . they work there on the regulators of the countries, that is, what will it say now . unprecedented this is simply unprecedented, so about such an exchange or in a terrible way, students cannot come up with such a harsh statement in response to russia's efforts, that's, well, i think it's appropriate now, it's not an escalation warning well, at least someone and at least something has to deter russia from er to resort to nuclear terrorism. thank you, oleksii, for the conversation. oleksii ryabchyn, deputy minister of energy and environmental protection, was with us in 2019-2020, and now we are joining our conversations olga skrypnyk, this is the head of the crimean human rights group. she is in touch with us. ani says

that our directors are telling us that there are some minor technical problems. while they are restoring communication, are you in kaliningrad or not? what happened there? andriy, you he told me during the breaks that this man of russian nationality got drunk and had his hair cut before that, and he decided that the hair that had been cut off could teach him a lesson later, and since he did not know in which garbage can he might be hair he decided to burn 30 garbage cans that he found in all neighborhoods and burned all night working trouble there well done well but it was not fair to tell him your hair is at the military base there it is there look for it and it falls but if the one that in the end for

it will be easier for the russian authorities, why is it burning and burning because it is very difficult for them to admit or to say that this is some kind of ukrainian sabotage, it gets stuck in their russian throats and will not solve the crisis, their russian-speaking jaws are taunted by the elephant is the russian federation and now it is doomed to success what is it what is it is all the rest well, kaliningrad is not ours, we don't need it but the crimea of ​​kolingrad is not ours, it was german . i think somehow poles let's get out, we'll agree here, here, it's a pity that there , and i like his kant, for example, he's buried , buried, fortunately, the soviets left it, but they're trying to dig it up. well, how do they wash out the amber, because such an amber region is

actually under their feet it's just that there is a lot of this amber and despite the fact that people on such a rich land they still managed to be terribly poor and they don't have any of that amber even in some neighboring countries of the hetmans scandalous famous head of the tax department of the hetmants' committee, danylo, scandals again, spoke in russian again, recorded an address to the residents of lviv and kyiv, saying that they are arguing here on the topic of what kind of tax reform should be, let them go to kharkiv , live there under shelling, and then they will know it's so simple, it's a shame, it's a manipulation , just like any, for example, i don't know because there is a

legion of freedom there, you can tell hetmantsev, go and take a position there in sands, next to me, and then you will write down the address in russian, well, something, people they don't say that. and it allows itself to do that. first of all, and secondly, the fact that ukraine has financial problems now does not mean that it is the policy that hetmantsev is proposing. it is soviet-communist in some ways. it is actually useful that they still keep him there . well, it's just, really this is some kind of insult, an insult to humanity and a pity. this is not my opinion. i just read the editorial of the mirror of the week. i absolutely agree with him. let's now look at how more than seven thousand hectares of land and 15 hectares of water surfaces are successfully demining in cherkasy region in the dnipro river, rescuers, for example, went to me to dive an explosive object, the state emergency service eliminated the projectile

just in the reservoir, and our colleagues saw the whole process, and we will also see it now with you, 20 pyrotechnicians, six watercraft and several patrols of the water police, the demining process begins with survey of the perimeter of the river continues, equipment is working to detect and install an explosive object, a missile fragment at the bottom of the dnipro is captured by an underwater drone it will not be possible to safely get the ammunition to the surface , therefore, according to the instructions, you will have to detonate the projectile in the river, the process is not easy and requires professional training, the descent of the diving board, the installation of the charge , the installation of the means of initiation of the detonation, the charge of the explosive device, the charge on this explosive object, and then a safe

distance, preparation for the team, plus for the safety of civilians and ships, a place the explosion was surrounded from the first time, the pyrotechnics did not succeed, not everything moved to a safe distance, there was kat, well, it was easy, such a duck , when he went around the means, he went back a little bit it stopped, it rocked and there was a jerk, and with this jerk, there are two well, two wires in this line, with this jerk, one of the wires at a certain connection was disconnected when the specialists have everything ready , the countdown begins, the command arrives to start neutralizing the remains of the enemy missile, attention for now it is safe to rest on the beaches of cherkasy region, assures the head of the state emergency service of the region andrii danyk, rescuers inspect the dnipro water area almost every day during the full-scale

invasion of russia in the region, more than 30 thousand units of explosives, but it may take more than one year to completely demine the region, experts say dmytro didora oskaryansons tv channel espresso well, let's go back to our conversations , we have already announced and finally fixed the connection with olga skrypnyk, the head of the crimean human rights group e- ms. olga is in touch with us. we welcome you , ms. volya. good day. we want to talk to you about the fact that on august 22, that is, in two days, the second one from the crimean platform will take place. nato will also take part in the platform. how important is it? i don't know how much it will affect

security and the challenges facing the country and the liberation of the peninsula. well, in general, it is important that the crimean platform, which was launched that year, is the first international platform that deals specifically with the issues of the occupation of the country, that is, there were no international formats before that, and just as the participants approved the declaration that year specifically with the issues of deoccupation, it is clear that today it has become even more relevant and that is why the participation the secretary general, for example, of nato, who was present last year, this is very important, because today we are not just talking about the issue of deoccupation, and now we need to discuss the issue of the military return of crimea , and definitely i think it will also be a question of which platform will be in the online format this year at the highest level levels and what will change, well, what will change, conditionally speaking, the agenda, compared to the pre-war one, yes, if you can put it this way, from the first with the first er with the first

that is the platform, well, the main question is definitely it is related and the main change is related to the fact that if the previous year and the adoption of the declaration was purely about diplomatic and political ways of returning crimea, today it is clear that the most pressing issue is precisely the deoccupation by military means and we see that this is an issue has already been raised and, in principle, the partners support the liberation of crimea, including the military way, because it is obvious that in the conditions of a full-scale war, in principle, this is the only way for today. but it is clear that this issue will to rise, but in fact the problem is a wider issue , in general, it is about security in the entire black sea region, and i think that this issue will also be raised because today is a threat. she has shown everyone that this is not an issue exclusively for ukraine, it is an issue of at least the security of the region and at least issues of the security of the whole of europe, and therefore, in principle, the crimean platform is, in fact,

a platform for solving security issues in the entire region as a whole, and not only on the issues of crimea. i think that this is precisely the format for especially security issues issues should be expanded and the second issue, which is also important and you are close to the issue of the return of crimea, is the ways of its reintegration, that is, the liberation of crimea . and so on, i think these questions will also be humanitarian news and the actual question will be raised, er, we understand that the question for the occupation is now mostly a question of the armed forces of ukraine, and the question is exactly future reintegration, it is obvious that here is the first question, as it seems to me, do the crimean tatars still have the right to claim national cultural autonomy for the peninsula, and question number two , what to do with the autonomy that

existed before, and question number three - this is what to do with those er russians, russian citizens who stopped by. there is a question, for example, what to do with the holders of russian passports who simply could not work otherwise. thank you, and they have a lot of questions, is it necessary now? some contours of the decision to draw yes thank you for bringing it up, because indeed we have been working with the crimean issues and on the issues of this legislation for 8 years, and of course we welcomed the crimean platform and support its creation and work, but first of all, ukraine itself must answer all these questions which you asked, what will crimea be like, what will happen to the people who remain there, what are the issues of responsibility , collaborationism, and so on, there we see that the war has even more emphasized all these questions, which ukraine, in principle, today has practically no answers we have a general strategy yes where is the occupation but it is clear that this is a strategy in order for it to be implemented and work, in principle,

the relevant bills must be adopted, so we are now more hopeful, we rely on the fact that in october there will be a parliamentary e-summit of the crimean platform and just there at the level of the parliament the question of crimea will be raised again, and ukraine should go there at the level of its parliament. i believe that with ready-made answers, including those that you raised, there are many answers that remain in principle until now yes na on the agenda, but there are no clear answers to any laws and, in principle, we see that if ukraine does not have them in advance, it will create real problems later for integration , so i think that it is too much for a long and in-depth conversation, but i think this is a really important point so that it doesn't happen what's there valery zaluzhnik says well, let's give crimea everything and we do and we don't know what to do with it all olga skrypnyk, the head of the crimean human rights group, was with us and we're not ready to come back, wild creatures hunt washing machines

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