with the help of which they did not close the sky for 100%, but nevertheless the level of security is much higher . well, finally, let's develop what is lend-forest, in the end, which we will start working soon. that is, we will then see a new nomenclature. well, well, that's it, to finish this, well, what's needed, i think what's needed is just for the west well, not the west, but the world elites, well, in the end, they understood that there's no point, there's no point and the russians don't understand the kind of language that they're speaking now they understand the language of weapons yes they want they hope that it is possible to speak with the russians in the language of good will . unfortunately, you can only speak in the language of good pain , that is, everything, but here you also need to understand the plan, the ambassador spoke about it and correctly noted that russia is not the only nuclear power in the world, but when was the concept of nuclear deterrence yes that is, this is the

theory of games, he worked out the caribbean crisis, remember, that is, in principle, to bring the matter to the nuclear development of the confrontation well, not the best scenario, probably an example of this, we understand it, do you remember that joke that is only very naive because stupid people can think that uh, let's start a third nuclear war, as a result of which ukraine will get crimea, this is delusional , that is, it doesn't work, that is, it is about how it is allowed to use these tools to achieve goals, and for that you don't have to put all the goats on the table at once, remember that in this case, this is not an expert opinion, but maybe you can correct me here, whether our partners , in particular, cannot now introduce such a game of attrition , well, that is, to make it conditional . it is it is also beneficial for our partners that russia should be exhausted on these fronts. if i am

wrong, you correct me. please , look, i just want to pay attention. well, this is an interview with zelensky, yes, about washington around. he asked for the horizon. do n't send us signals, you send us weapons, and he says that then he refused why because no one wanted to fight with russia, that is, the problem is that still no one particularly wants to fight with russia, that is, in fact, everyone wants this conflict ended as soon as possible so that the russians actually admitted some of their mistakes well, so that we formed some kind of security, a new picture, so that this picture was a factor of security and guarantors of security yes that is, well, i don't say ukrainian security there, i say in general in e and in the russian space, and of course people are afraid of the fact that there may be some negative extremes, that is, it is us

. it is clear to us. they want to preserve the existing world order, they are afraid of some kind of chain reaction, that's why they try to act as predicted, that is, their predictions can come true, and they are obgruntov, they are taking a step, they are fans, how will you get out on the track, roughly speaking, your speed should not be faster than the light. as you can see, only he is a headlight in education, so they move gradually and with speed, so i am optimistic in this regard, they are moving cautiously, moving cautiously. i teach on the air, we are talking about what tools the world and our partners can use to stop russia, and the recognition of russia as a sponsor of terrorism in the united states has simplified the process of introducing new

sanctions against the regime of vladimir putin and the impact on the forehead of countries that do not snort business - in connection with him, the ex-minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, pavlo klimkin, expressed this opinion in an interview with the public, how he sees the end of this war, and not only the diplomat was asked about this by my colleague olena romovska if you look at this russia, it is empty, there is nothing there, they look at the past, what idea about the future do they have, grab another piece, return the empire, i congratulate you on the first channel of public broadcasting, thank you for your time, well, i congratulate the public now, on this very day when we you are recording this conversation ukrainians in social networks are arguing about the information presented in the washington post article at the expense of the fact that the us allegedly had information about a full-scale invasion

last fall and passed this information on to the ukrainian leadership and now the ukrainians are debating whether it is right or wrong that the ukrainian leadership reacted to these american intelligence data, and i understand that you are not a military expert. meanwhile, you are a diplomat, and i am interested in your opinion as a diplomat. do you see that the ukrainian leadership, and in particular, perhaps the ministry of foreign affairs, reacted to the information presented somehow incorrectly, i can speak as a politician as a diplomat as an expert who, unfortunately, did not see this information, such information is shown even between allies and friends as they say, sound is what you see. you read it and you understand its value. you can appreciate it by understanding it in space and time in the context of events. and american intelligence was not always 100% right. well, look at afghanistan,

do you remember how much they gave to the taliban, do you remember iraq 20 years ago, you remember a lot more, but the fact that putin and this regime want to destroy ukraine, the fact that they have no more red lines in their heads, the fact that the director of the cia, bill birds whom i know when he was still deputy in the state department very well not he only understands and feels putin's russia, by the way, he was an ambassador, so i give it 100%. that 's why you will never say what this feeling is in this, intuition or americans. i know many europeans and those whom you should respect who did not believe in a full-scale invasion, and from this article it seems that most europeans , except for the british and the baltic countries, did not believe in what will happen, as

american intelligence says, how much are you and i still being listened to? well, there were people who left or who were left in europe because they were wrong fundamental assessed russia and us of the russian regime. i am not talking about politicians. i am talking about those who should have predicted putin's intentions. so tell me who is 100% right. who predicted the date and who predicted the direction of the invasion? to what extent do we have our strategy now, how far did we when this information appeared about a probable full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, precisely from the us side, you accepted this information with one hundred percent confidence that it would happen, but my

the bet was on autumn, i said it publicly, i said this year, this year that in fact a full-scale attack will take place in the fall, i said it publicly, i said it at various discussions, i said that autumn is due to the fact that the 24th year of putin's formal reboot is approaching, when will the presidential elections be held? well, don't forget 100 years of the soviet union, it 's three letters for us, i'm sorry, but for them, this is very important to the heads, and on december 30, they would very much like to create some kind of reincarnation of the soviet union. i think that putin decided that it is better to strike earlier, he told the austrian chancellor after the german conversation. by the way, he usually speaks german, something else. he

said war is better sooner than later. he decided to raise the stakes and he decided that at this moment, when the energy of the countries of the european union, as he believed, depends 100% on russia and they won't go anywhere, that's the rut, that's the red proportions, well, there will be some formal sanctions, well, and such and we'll pass, he was sure that the moment is almost perfect, one of the top news stories not only this week and the previous one there are also talks in europe about the need to ban russians from entering the eu with tourist visas as of now. how do you assess this step, because the reactions to it are very different. i proposed it a few months ago and there is no clear rejection in europe

. heart and could not even imagine it, well, before, 4.5 million russian tourists entered with these visas and left a crazy amount of money, many of them had real estate in spain, italy, greece, cyprus, and now these are exactly the people who also they want to go, although there are 9-10 times less of them, but the people who earn money in russia are, let’s face it, not the opposition, and not the self-appointed liberal, no opposition - these are the people who earn money on this regime, period, and these people should not use what they are now used in the european union, and the second and the second are actually more important. and who went to, uh, kill in the skypoles, as if to look at the people swimming there, supposedly tourists

, yes, and then we saw them there on video. and who organized the explosions of weapons warehouses in the czech republic and who organized the murders on the streets of berlin. who was it? it was actually people with toist visas, and when i talk to my friends there, there are many politicians in different countries. germany, france, the same. the same italy or spain. i tell them, you now allow next it's your responsibility if someone again tries to poison, organize an explosion and kill now it's your personal responsibility, the best we can do while the discussion is going on is to take all this bureaucratic mess around and say a now we are making it many times more difficult to issue these tourist visas, so if you want to get one, we will look at everyone under the microscope

. over this well, the germans, too, the germans now want, you know, such cupcakes, they will dust the chancellor offshol - he said think about the dissidents in response to this proposal i can answer dissidents, they are not yet on tourist visas to germany they enter, it's a completely different logic, so there's no need to confuse tourists with something here, flies are separate and meatballs are separate, as they say, in august, in the month when we meet with you, this latvian recognized russia as a terrorist state. we have already seen such a move from lithuania, but it is not entirely clear what will happen next with such a decision on the part of the american administration. do you think that this is an important step, because we see that the leadership of ukraine is very actively calling for the usa to recognize russia as a state

sponsor of terrorism, this is a super important step mega important, what will it change? well, if the lithuanians or our friends in latvia do it, that’s cool, but frankly, it’s a symbol, if the americans do it and introduce the status of either a terrorist country or a country sponsoring terrorism, there are legal nuances, i wo n’t trouble anyone. now firstly , new sanctions are passed much easier and much better in any congress. city republicans, democrats in any secondly, it is even more important, this means that in this country those who cooperate with the country are terrorists . because you can buy a cheap russian one well, we have a discount here, luckily, we finally have a cheap

car there, the americans tell them no no all goodbye immediately sanctions on campaigns that buy state non-state immediately sanctions automatically apply to everyone now the americans are trying to break try a bypass of the heart through china and crashed several chinese companies, and then it will be a systematic purge of everyone who cooperates with russia in certain areas , and the third is that there is actually a lot of it, until the end , there is no idea, but now we say frozen russian assets are contraband, the assets of the oligarchs are frozen, they are kept, but in order to use them for our recovery, they need to be taken away, confiscated, for that you need court decisions from whom money is taken from criminals. therefore, this money should be

criminalized if there is a decision about the country of the terrorist, can you imagine how much easier the decisions of the national courts, and here we need exactly the decision of national courts for those assets that are frozen in the states, the decisions of american judges, there are dutch , respectively german, and if there are any in each country decision russia is a terrorist country, then in fact it will be not just many times, but tens of times easier, here are these three factors that make the decision about russia as a terrorist mega important, new sanctions to cut off all other countries from russia, even the countries of the non-western world, and take away the freezing of russian assets in your opinion, the us is not doing this until now because they are trying to keep some space for dialogue with russia or as a notebook and how long

it will last another one is trying to leave some space for conversation this is a sanction nuclear weapons, all that is happening now on the part of the states, let's call it real missile strikes, i understand the comparison here, not not quite. but nevertheless, the decision about ukraine is a terrorist sanction, it is a sanctioned nuclear weapon. the 400 billion that are there, according to various calculations, will not return to russia, that is why the states say that we can. but at the same time, we need talks on the control of strategic weapons, well, this is what china said about the united states states that's why the americans use a gingerbread man, but they also use a whip. that is, it

's the gingerbread man's batagai principle regarding the course of hostilities. we see now that some moments have changed significantly. we see explosions in crimea. we see explosions in belarus. we don't know exactly who is in charge from above. our friends believe that this is the point of no return. i am interested in your opinion here as a diplomat. how do you think the situation will develop further? perhaps in the diplomatic plane around the russian-ukrainian war, then he will 100% try one or more escalations . will never leave the idea of ​​destroying ukraine, ukraine as a nation, as a history, how and how in general, space for him is something special, only someone

there, as you know, took something from the sandbox, but it seems to be his own, he wrote this in his articles last year. he has it deeply sits in the head but there is a significant part of the russian elite that perfectly understands that russia is going nowhere in the literal sense, it cannot be a player but a state of the 21st century under these sanctions and they want to talk under what conditions they will of course now they are pulling the cat by the tail, and the whole west will be confusing him and try to reach the time they think the reset will be in the united states, they will either hope for trump, who has already said , maybe there is a russian crimea or some other and putin, or they will try to try to

divide ukraine and come to an agreement, or if he suffers a fundamental defeat, then the empire will begin to crumble, this does not mean that it will immediately begin to crumble into different territories of the state. it can be reloaded into different new ones reality in the new confederation, there the leaders can reboot, but the movements went, they are very careful because everyone is controlled there, nails are hammered in. fs is working, but a large part of the elite and national elites and local elites already understand that russia is going nowhere as far as negotiations are concerned, the prospects for negotiations and we saw that during the meeting of the president of russia with the president of turkey , erdoğan, mr. erdoğan offered putin to negotiate in one or another format for ukraine, which way do you see here, under what conditions

it is necessary to agree publicly on this negotiation. russia says that as if they are not ready for negotiations yet, two points , first, yes, food is important to us, he is one of the few who is able to talk to putin, and for him now this is a question and who is he or is he a global leader who is capable of solving global problems, he would have shown his teeth during karabakh together with the azerbaijanis, and now he can say well, i am just as cool, i can conduct negotiations and between putin's events, i can be not just a mediator, a player if he succeeds, then we can use it exclusively in our interests in no other way, and of course if we start negotiations now, negotiations about what russia will continue to insist on some version of

capitulation . therefore, there is no subject for negotiations if dan convinces putin to sit down and start negotiations from a clean sheet. because i am from the idiotic conditions about the demilitarization of ukraine. about limiting the number of our military. we say what are all these bridyatians sorry , there are no more and we are talking about real things and putin is withdrawing his troops from the territories that he captured in ukraine then you can sit down and talk, of course, together with the west, only we have a strong position together with the west with a collective sometimes they say about the event in our country who is the collective event, but well, seven , the european union, the states here, it’s just

clear. is it possible to mediate these negotiations, why not, if these are real negotiations, if this is the same putin song, then what kind of negotiations can you talk about ? they said the following phrase, who is erdoğan? it seems to me that this is a question that worries many ukrainians now, because on the one hand, we see how a turkish manufacturer of byrectors gives free rectors to ukraine, and on the other hand, we see erdoğan's meetings with putin in sochi, where he talks about a new page in turkish - russian relations, and about the fact that they will build a partnership. he wants to be the leader of this world. he wants to talk on an equal footing with biden, with the leader of china

, with putin. this is his ambition. here, jordan will not cross certain lines that, first of all, annoy putin. he speaks about this publicly, and according to geology, trade with russia is not so important for turkey. there is gas, of course, and yes , there are 30 or so billions in aerobatics. look, there are 200 with the european union. well , what are we talking about, but this is work, this is work for those who serve russian tourists, but according to my data, they are there they don't particularly want to tolerate the rudeness of russian tourists either. so you think even the turks will mature to the point of saying, well, not now, no. today is for tomorrow, but they will mature to the point of restricting that's why evden wants to be a separate player, he doesn't want to be part of the event, he doesn't want to to be part of the east he wants to be the president of turkey, which is globally

respected, finally, i want to ask you this about what president of ukraine zelensky said that the end of this war depends on the losses of russia, and in your opinion, what does it depend on the end of this war, of course, depends on losses, but i tell everyone and i do not want to disappoint anyone, my friends, or spoil the mood. i am absolutely sure that this war will continue until the moment when this russian regime is destroyed. he will always want to destroy ukraine. moscow will never get rid of the idea of ​​destroying ukraine and that is why, of course, i absolutely agree with volodymyr zelenskyi

with both hands that the end of this war or at least real negotiations and a ceasefire depend on russian losses, and the situation also depends on the battlefield on the battlefield, on what is happening on the fronts. well, tell me when in brussels, paris and rome they really said they were going out there with their desires to be in the comfort zone, the situation should be decided on the battlefield, as the head of the foreign policy of the european union once wrote, mr. borel, why did he write on twitter that this is actually the understanding that everything will end with a compromise with this russia, and this means that this war will be won when this is restarted a russian regime in which we will brainwash, in which

ideas about the restoration of the reincarnation of this empire of the soviet union will no longer come to mind when he thinks about russia, or about the empire and the soviet union, then putin's war, not the russians', will end. on the contrary, i believe that this the war of this entire regime, i also include putin and the russian elites and the russians in this regime. if putin changes at some point, this does not mean that he or we do not know who will go in his place. it will be better if you want. my understanding is the next reincarnation of this empire could be even worse than today, i.e. the end of the war in no, this is the end of the russian federation as we know it in russia as an empire, this is the end of these mentality, this is the end of their imperial mentality in general, well, the soviet union is

one of the options for this, this is the end of their imperial model, then and the final war will end, this does not mean that hostilities will continue all the time, this does not mean that there will be no ceasefire, this does not mean that there will be no nato wax on our territory, i am absolutely sure that it will happen and that this moment will come that we will be a member of nato, that we will be a member of the european union, that the best guarantee of our security is super-fast integration into the west in all senses, because mental ukraine is part of the west, and this is now recognized. nevertheless, moscow will always believe that ukraine must be destroyed , and that means that there will be a war, a hybrid war will be on the fronts, they will always wage

this war, because this war makes this regime, this empire, and the legitimacy of no other legitimacy, no other values, if you look at this russia, it is emptiness, there is nothing no, they look at the past, they look at the second world war, endlessly repeating it, what idea do they have about the future, to seize another piece, to return the empire, they have no idea, putin always shows everyone what cool weapons we have, he no longer shows how cool the russians live, what they have there are achievements that they are cool no, he shows that we have nevi missiles and we are going to a new war, this is the whole meaning of the legitimacy of this empire, as soon as this one disappears, the final and forever war will be finished and i am sure that it will be

completed in the 21st century, there is no more place for this empire, history ends, it is like a loop , how do we return to europe after these three centuries, and russia will return to the imperial state, you will see it will not happen tomorrow , we are not naive and for this we need to work but nevertheless it is a must will

definitely take place. he says i'm not tired, i'm not tired of defending ukraine, oh, in ukraine, the volunteers find everything, everything is possible, they find everyone, feed everyone , save their tails, give them gifts on airplanes, support doctors, help lullabies , sing defenders, equip everyone , hug everyone. glory to ukraine to the whole world. ukraine thanks you soon the sky above