germany, the russian emperor alexander ii , i am signing the decree, which prohibits the public use of the ukrainian language, education and the printing of books in ukrainian, but it was too late. the ukrainians already had kobzar and eneida, who knew by heart the length of the place, your leading step in the cockpits of the planes behind the monitors of the radar stations at the anti-aircraft control points missile complexes at thousands of combat positions throughout the territory of our country, they are bringing victory closer every day. glory to the air force of the armed forces of ukraine, oh in ukraine

and volunteers, everything is possible, death to the enemies everything they will find everyone they will feed everyone their tails will be saved they will be given on airplanes they will lean on they will help doctors they will sing a lullaby they will equip defenders they will hug everyone glory to ukraine to the whole world ukraine is glorified for the volunteer kind there is no translation all of ukraine thanks you what to do if you find yourself under the rubble of a house assess the environment call for help inform where you are calm. wait for the blockage to be removed. if no one can hear

you, try to free your arms and legs. if you are not sure of your strength, patiently call for help if there is one. use the phone, knock on the pipes, the heating batteries, if no one hears , carefully disassemble the shaft, try not to touch what everything is supported on, get free, look for yourself, if possible, give yourself first aid, if you know the likely location of the victims under the rubble, inform the rescuers, your help can save lives we will intercept the defeat we will win together we are strong we know practically everything that happens in the temporarily occupied territory we cannot install on 100% accurate. who where among our prisoners of war or

civilian prisoners are being held, but the general picture in what conditions? how are they treated? and what happens with the admission of international partners ? it was so long ago, at the end of july. and i would like to start with the topic that was key at the time, uh, at that time , the key topic was the explosion in the deer park and the death of ukrainian prisoners of war. at that time, you said in an interview to my colleague that, in particular, uh sent an appeal to russia in order to find out the truth about what happened there. did you receive any response? yes, indeed. i sent my first official appeal to the ombudsman of the russian federation to mrs. moskalkova with the fact that, first of all,

i was allowed to come there in person if she considers it appropriate it was necessary for her to be there so that the whole world could see who really wants an open investigation into what actually happened there. the second thing is that i should be given the opportunity to communicate with the wounded servicemen who were punched at that time in the deer park and the third that the russian side started the procedure of handing over the bodies of the dead to relatives who live in ukraine, unfortunately, i never received an official response, but to which it was one appeal in which there were three points of the official response. i did not receive after that i communicate almost every day with the international committee of the red cross and with representatives of the united nations according to their information, which they have given me, so far there is no

official permission from the russian side regarding their arrival there are no employees to the deer park. i will clarify here about the un. there was a statement that they are ready to send their investigative team to the deer park. is that correct? i understand that there is still no such proposal from russia. the russian federation declares that it is creating conditions for it to come. this un mission actually does not happen at all, we have a lot of questions at the united nations organization , that is, in my opinion, an organization that was created as a result of the second world war in order that the third world war never took place and that no country has been able to start its aggressive policy there, or if it starts, there was a very harsh and quick reaction, in fact, what we see is that it does not cope with any challenges , what was the reaction in 2014, well, in fact, none

of it was inherent, and this, in my opinion, led to the fact that on february 20 and 24 in the 22nd year, the russian federation began a new stage of this war, a large-scale offensive again. so that you understand and our viewers understand, we currently have a permanent monitoring mission of the un in ukraine under the structure of the un. this structure has been working in our country for a long time. a separate mission was created based on the decision of the un general assembly voted in april regarding the collection of evidence of war crimes by russia federations on the territory of ukraine, i separately met with them for the third time, as soon as the information about the deer appeared, we are official as the ukrainian authorities, and i, as an

ombudsman, we appealed to the organization of the united nations as a result of which was the launch of the third mission to investigate the events of volynivka, when we showed to the whole world that, look, the russian federation is not stopping, it is moving on and has now reached the point of nuclear blackmail, and the fourth un monitoring mission was created regarding the zaporizhia nuclear power plant power plant , i have a rhetorical question for mr. otelish, who came to ukraine yesterday, how many more missions should be launched in order for you to really well, 100-200,000 began to act at the moment when you and i are recording this interview, mr. gotyarish is in odessa, and i wanted to clarify whether he might have expressed a desire to go to the occupied territory to the same deer park and directly, in this way,

find out what is there as far as i know , he himself was on such a proposal. he didn’t get up. the only information is that, allegedly, during the communication with our president volodymyr savych zelensky and with the president of turkey, mr. erdoğan, there is little information that was allegedly determined. the head of this mission who must come to the deer park more than three weeks have passed since the explosion in the deer park, can we already operate with any concrete figures regarding who died there and how many of these dead people were, since certain lists were declared in open sources, some azov residents said that they partially confirmed what is your information here, let's say yes, it is officially confirmed, we do not have the information, again, how should we get it, we applied as i said i officially applied we applied by various a-a channels of communication with the aggressor country and

provide lists of real lists of the dead and wounded. we do not have an official answer. we have turned to the international committee of the red cross, which, not based on the geneva convention , should also receive any information from the russian federation. the verification procedure of these lists must be confirmed to us by the international committee of the red cross, there is no answer, there is an answer that russia also does not provide them with any information, so in legal language i can tell you that at the moment we do not have confirmed lists of the dead and wounded in relation to those lists that hmm exist and were made public by the mass media of the russian federation, we really have reason to believe that they are not entirely true , this is also due to communication with relatives of prisoners of war and they independently conducted

an analysis of these lists, many things do not match, therefore, based on this evidence, we can say that there is no trust or there is 100% confirmation that these lists are real, how is the process of finding out information about where and under what conditions progressing in general defenders of mariupol who were taken prisoner by the russians are there. well, because our intelligence agencies work primarily through different channels. we receive , we can say it's true or false, but in fact we know almost everything that happens in the temporarily occupied territory.

they are held, but the general picture in what conditions. how do they relate to what happens with the admission of international partners? we all know the conditions are terrible . and we have confirmed facts that more than 50 people are held in a 3x4 room and it is 12 square meters. that is, you cannot even sit down there. torture is used en masse. the international committee of the red cross is not allowed, in my opinion, precisely so that the internationalists do not see the traces of torture from such a terrible attitude, they are simply not allowed by all these facts. in addition to checking, they are being generalized, criminal proceedings are being opened, specific names of servicemen of the russian federation are being established, believe me , all this becomes such an additional argument for opening a separate criminal court, a separate

tribunal, which must condemn all actions not only of specific servicemen of the russian federation, but also the leadership of this country, who gave the order, the information appeared literally before since you and i met because of intelligence that on independence day the russians may be preparing a public trial in mariupol over part of those defenders in mariupol who are there and well, the intelligence forecasts are very scary. that the russians can launch a missile attack on this place. can we somehow help in this? well, regarding what will happen in mariupol, it is true. we have uh-uh data that uh-uh it is possible that there will be a trial , by the way, again, on these facts, i turned to the russian side, i can also say that i officially turned to ms. maskalkova to

intervene in the situation, if she is an ombudsman, she should respond to all these challenges and not to admit another violation of the geneva convention, well, it is clear that and according to the first answers, or rather, the lack of an answer, i understand what to hope for, hmm, there is not such a big chance, but nevertheless, we do it in the same way, we appeal again to record this next violation of the geneva convention, another war crime on the part of the russian federation, so that the fixation takes place both by the organization of the united nations and by the international committee of the red cross. i think that they will create this picture, they are interested in it it is necessary to question such support for this war against ukraine. how to do this, it is necessary to show that you are real, non-ephemeral nazis,

fascists who are fighting against the russian-speaking people of donbass. look at them, how horrible they are. we are judging them here, in fact, this is their main goal, i don't think that any rocket will fly there. at least i assess such a possibility as very low. because they need to show a picture, this picture, they will create, of course, that this and additional pressure on the leadership of our state, what are we going to do with your military personnel, or sit down at the table and discuss the information you have on the account of the captured defenders of mariupol, a few days ago , the wife of denis prokopenko, kateryna, said in an interview with the public that according to her information, her husband was taken to russia, but she has no confirmation of this, either from the state

structures of ukraine, or from the international committee of the red cross. can you confirm this information? we cannot confirm the information that he was taken out and we cannot confirm the information that he was not taken out again, uh, hmm, confirmation of information regarding the detention of a specific serviceman, as well as a group of servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine , takes place through the international committee of the red cross when a question is asked separately by surnames, for example, when i contact internationals they tell me that we thank you have received the information found. we cannot inform you, we only inform relatives, and here kateryna prokopenko complains that why does the international committee of the red cross not contact her and she is not alone in this? i understand from your words that we rely a lot on the

international committee of the red cross, but it looks like they are working as well. well, let's say there are questions about their work, this is not just a question they directly do not fulfill the mandate prescribed in the geneva conventions, the only thing i will tell you is that this is a claim, not a claim, but this is a real situation, but a real situation, for example , when i talk to them, i say well, then in my reports and publicly show that the russian side does not allow you, but even that does not do what concerns the ukrainian side you can check the state of compliance there with the conditions of keeping russian military prisoners in us in ukraine they say yes, i say you have no problems no, i say then ukraine creates all the conditions for russian prisoners of war for you, you can go at any time to check their condition there, observe health conditions, keep food , anything, why then you also do not demand such

the same conditions from the russian variety show, well, they say we demand. i say yes, but there are no results in that , and the point is that apart from demanding a-a, we do not see progress there. but nevertheless, i can say that, uh, we get 10% there we will get positive answers from e-e from the inquiries, but even if we raise a global issue and if someone thinks that the international committee of the red cross is not doing anything there at all, let's refuse their services, then he can tell you that we will automatically do for our citizens what are in the territory of the russian federation, there in the territory of temporarily occupied ukraine, therefore , first of all, we must understand it, record it, demand that they legally, it is the international committee of the red cross, legally record this attitude of the

russian federation to the implementation of the geneva conventions, and uh, raise this issue for consideration at the site the united nations, in my opinion, can and does affect the position of the russian side, this is the first position of the un, and in my opinion, they do not want the issue to be raised, for example removing them from the organization of the united nations and the second is the armed forces of ukraine together with the help of our partners, mr. lobinets, separately i want to talk to you about a topic that seems to me close to you as recently as the deputy, but i don't know how close this topic is to you ukraine is a candidate for membership in the european union, and it is a potential membership . it specifically stipulates that ukraine should change its law on national communities, and you are the author of the bill. a year was ready regarding the national communities, meanwhile a

year has passed, it still hasn't been adopted, and such a demand from the eu is a year after the moment when the president announced this bill and after the start of the full-scale invasion, you can see that this bill has to go through some more changes, its development has been ongoing and it is still going on, i started this work in the 20th year, it has been going on for two years, but in july it was like two years when i was elected. i transferred all my achievements to the members of the specialized committee . of our state, i see how quickly the work is progressing and i am sure that this year, or in the first reading, or in general, we will accept this bill, which is the most important thing. why is the work taking so long, because i approached it with

the principle that before even registering the draft law should be discussed with representatives of national communities, especially with those who constantly criticize ukraine's position that they are not consulted on this, first of all, i mean representatives of the hungarian national community. i personally went to transcarpathia i met with them there several times, i met with them several times in kyiv, so the process is quite difficult, let's say so. nevertheless, from my point of view, we took into account the fundamental things, and this is the creation of a separate state body, the creation at the level of the law, this is also the creation of a public council with this body, this is the creation of the same councils under local bodies in local self-government bodies, this is a separate term in the budget of ukraine regarding the support of programs of representatives of national

communities, this is the creation of houses of national communities in all regions and separately in places where they live compactly, that is, we have a lot of new things, real things that they need, and there in their lives, we did, you understand, you mentioned the hungarians, you give. and i still have a question, what can the russians count on? because it seems to me that this is such a spicy question. now, in the conditions of a full-scale war between russia and ukraine, what will happen to the russian community in ukraine? what if the census of 2001 is to be believed? second, in 2014, february 24 of this year changed even more dramatically, and i know a lot of representatives of this national minority who fundamentally switched from february 24

to communication in the ukrainian language, even in their personal life. believe me, this problem does not actually exist, this problem only exists in the propaganda stories of the russian federation in fact, if this law is to be advertised, we will make a reservation in the law regarding the aggressor country, this will be done separately, that is , there will be some smaller list of opportunities for them, according to this law, there will be a reservation regarding the possible use, for example, of the symbols of the aggressor country. that is, we understand in any case that because of what did not just happen, but because of what has been going on for more than 8 years, namely the war on the part of the russian federation, we must make such safeguards that will not allow the aggressor country to additionally discuss the subject national communities against our state, so i think that there will definitely be a consensus here both among the national communities and

among the people's deputies who will have to vote for it, the main problem from the point of view of representatives of individual national communities is the language of instruction and i always speak or in front of our international partners, in front of representatives of national communities, i show the position of our state, you know, it is easiest to show by your own example, but i have never done it. you know the secrets of the fact that i am also a representative of one of the national communities, that i am greek, that i am like a citizen of ukraine, this is the most important thing he should demand from the state of ukraine, this is the creation of conditions for teaching the language of the national minorities and definitely the main language of ukraine in us, for example, in a city of compact residence, well, it is donetsk the region has created conditions for children to

study from the first to the 11th grade in the ukrainian language e-e conditions are being created for the opening of greek classes textbooks are printed in greek at the expense of the state budget of ukraine salaries of greek language teachers are paid at the expense of the state budget of ukraine renovations of the filling are made at the expense of local self-government therefore, the state creates conditions when a representative of the national minority there is greek while studying in the ukrainian language, but has a desire to study the greek language as well the state created all the conditions for what is happening with russian in our country, and before the full-scale war there was an opportunity to choose russian as a second terrestrial language to study it again. there were no transitions, it will remain approximately in this

form. as reflected in the english language er as i said this will be a warning against the aggressor country again with all due respect to everyone but we cannot not do it because it is always a language issue, always in our country it was first used for political you know, we constantly divided points as the elections will not come, who all only talk about the language , there are no more problems, you know, this is rhetorical , so i will give an example of the russian and hungarian national minorities, that is, it seems to me that all international partners absolutely support the logical uh-uh behavior when in ukraine in the ukrainian school, the citizens of ukraine study in the ukrainian language, and the advice does not cut their ears, besides, the state of ukraine creates the conditions when the representatives of the hungarian

national machine will learn to study hungarian language, but in parallel and now, as the vision demands from us, at least the representatives of the hungarian minority at the beginning, they want that in ukraine, at the expense of the state budget of ukraine , citizens of ukraine study exclusively in the hungarian language in a ukrainian school. please tell me if we are talking about mirror parity can i imagine, for example, when in hungary hungarian citizens can only study in ukrainian in a hungarian school, then we can tell you that there is no such thing in principle there the children of our representatives study in sunday schools and they are financed, as a rule, from a charity account on this topic, one more question, you literally

mentioned that you are a representative of the greek community, it really just so happened that the place of compact residence of the greek community in ukraine is mariupol, which is now occupied in addition, we have a specific situation with the urom romanians who, for example, lived in melitopol, which is now also temporarily occupied. and what happened to these people, did they evacuate ? i don’t know if there is any separate communication regarding them, in particular with greece, for example, maybe greece helps somehow, yes, there is definitely communication, and those who wanted to leave, they left, many of them are now in the territory of greece, greece has created the conditions for accepting representatives, accepting citizens of ukraine and those who have greek roots i would say that it is done by a lot of other

countries that sincerely support us. someone stayed in the temporarily occupied territory and such cases. we have them again. it probably does not depend on nationality from belonging to this or that national community, it certainly depends on making a personal decision whether to leave or remain in the occupation. it depends on the people of plovinets. that's the end. i want to touch on a topic that , in my opinion, has not been fully discussed. you will be asked questions not only as a current bootsman but also as a member of the verkhovna rada until recently and in particular the initiator of the same resolution of no confidence in lyudmila denisova, tell me version of the understanding of the situation, why did you and your colleagues fire lyudmylo denisova, well, first of all, legally , i have the initiators, the initiators were

a certain number of people's deputies who collected letters regarding the expression of no confidence in the acting abutsman, these letters are legal because submissions went to our committee, we are the profile committee, we held a separate meeting where i invited ludmila leontina denisova to give explanations, we a-a unanimously made a decision in the committee, we did not vote neither for nor against such an initiative, we voted unanimously for the fact that if the people's deputies come out with such an initiative, let the ukrainian parliament determine whether it will support such an initiative or not, i can officially tell you this is not a secret, when there was a vote in the session hall, i pressed the yellow button, therefore, in the legal

sense, i did not fire anyone but again, this was done by the ukrainian parliament regarding the reasons for doing so. again, as far as i know, the people 's deputies proceeded from the fact that the facts that were publicly disclosed by ludmila leontievna were not found their official confirmation, well, about the sexual crimes of russian soldiers against ukrainian children, there was also a claim that since the full-scale offensive of the russian federation on the 24th, most of the time i did not check this information, this is according to the people's deputies , most of the time she was abroad and according to the people's deputies the ombudsman should be located inside the country, again, for example, i share this point of view and i generally do all the time