they wanted people to stand and solve such matters from the gut, everyone felt it energetically because all living things want to live and every living thing has its own territory, dogs keep their territory, cats mark their territory, man marks his territory and this territory must be protected, according to this people thank you for this interview friends, this was bohdan beniuk and our series of interviews until independence day. please stay with espresso and watch. colleagues have prepared many other interviews with other interesting and important people. hello everyone. i do not

i am afraid of this word for sure. well, for me, the most delicious guest that can be on our tv screens, they will not be divorced for a long time, because uh, i sincerely apologize, but there are people who, well, it is not necessary to introduce this person - this is how we agreed zhenya klopotenko zhenya congratulations and since we are meeting with you in a special period, especially a time for ukraine, and the day before well, probably the most important for ukraine, after all, there is a holiday, so i will start with such a question. thank you. well, the word independence is the very concept of independence. agree a little, well, it’s not that it’s leveled , it’s true in advance, but if you think about it, for example, i’ll start with tactics, i have one question, and i’ll divide it into two parts , that is, independence, what exactly is independence for you personally, for a person, and what is independence for countries for a specific e-e of our country well, here it is very

i think that it was called incorrectly, well, i don't like the name of this because regardless, it means that you were dependent on someone, now i am not dependent on anyone i would not say that ukraine was dependent from the soviet union, ukraine was part of the soviet union. well, i don't think that it should be called independence, it should be called something, it already exists. therefore, it means that we will not leave anyone, but this is not true, because all people are from which zone and what depends on it, that's why i like this word i don't like it. i don't like its etymology and i generally don't use this word in my communication. this is me fully 100% equate it with freedom well , that is, for me, addiction is freedom, freedom

of a full-fledged choice, a full-fledged flight, this is like birds, it is like artists, it is like, well, who can be without borders in their fantasies, then they are 100% independent. i am very happy for this answer. because when i was forming it for myself, well, for the country, i could argue with you a little, but today you are not quite. maybe later, but that's it. it seems to me that personal independence is freedom of choice. it's just, well, it's like that so sweet sweet concept eh, well, a little bit closer, so to speak, to your essence and to what you have the best knowledge of. well, look at ukrainian traditional cuisine, well, whenever they say french cuisine, everyone there understands italian cuisine, but if, for example, well, i would formulate or the expression was composed by some such ukrainian traditional cuisine, what is its peculiarity, how does it differ from other traditional coals, etc., it is a lot. well, we already understood, including

thanks to you, for example, but well, in general, here you are read a lecture, for example, and we wanted people to understand that non-ukrainians were so original about what is so unique about ukrainian traditional cuisine that could differ from other kokans in the world. tradition, tradition is certain rules of behavior , fixed rules of behavior of a certain group of people in a certain territory, and the problem is that our culinary traditions are very mixed , blurred, spread out, and what is happening now is just the formation of culinary traditions and if each of us is happening, name 10 traditional ukrainian dishes, shulyks, well, now ask who knows what

these are. we have a lot, but we can’t name it, because we had a little bit of customs clearance, that is, there is a tradition, but there is simply no one about it. well, it is more likely, no one . a mix of modernity and just such combinations. for example, for example, say something, what is berlin cuisine, or there is a german authentic person, there are many modern ones, just like new york, what are new yorkers cuisine, it so happened that we simply lived in one period and quickly moved to another period and we live and it is to form us well, what is happening now ukrainian traditional cuisine is the cuisine formed by our ancestors, then under the influence of the soviet union, all some traditions were changed and now there is a revival again, and that is why we we get a huge spectrum, much more than

you know, we can imagine in our heads varenyki, lard, borscht, this is not ukrainian semolina, well, there is chinese, turkish, you can talk about it for a long time, but in general, we are now only forming a tradition here, through which in 20-30 years i will be able to say we don't know if the shrike survived or was eaten by the shrews, because it can't arrive survived, because you can't eat it. now it needs to be in circulation. if people are okay with it, it will become a tradition. if not, then no. will it disappear? olivier, will it remain, the same question is whether or not we can make the boykiv super kiselitsya , which we talked about before the broadcast, make it popular and replace the okroshka right now, these are the questions that every person faces every day if he once talked to e -e no lvivian she says well why did you switch to the ukrainian language i say well i left i wanted to be more ukrainian but i felt it i say atheists but she says yes i say

see you didn't even want to be ukrainian anymore and you say the same in ukrainian a the ukrainian language is only a small part and there is a lot of everything. therefore, now everyone has their own debates and we are only in the process of forming this tradition, but here it is. well, such a variety of cuisine. well, i understand this better, because ukraine is not so many regions and it goes, for example. how do you think it will be possible to revive it faster? this is what common sense is, whether it is in villages or in cities. where is it better for people to go to meetings in this edition, where they will be more interested? in this transition, you say your with them in the ukrainian language and the interest in old ukrainian dishes because she is actually very interested in reading it a little more and it is delicious and that it is important that it is useful in fact, well, we are also an aspect well, not only deliciousness yes, but it seems to me that this is just right in the modern century that we are all such assholes, we breathe these gases, well, bad. we don’t do very much sports, and then

we have a car accident. we already have food. it is for this reason that i integrate many ukrainian dishes so that the children can go later. i am trying to do it. it is interesting. i wanted to talk about it later, but still, we heard about it together. i thought, i think this is the menu. well, this menu is given, for example, to the team of cooks there, because they say that they cook something there at school. well, i remember to myself how my parents would have me there. well, they didn't eat well, anyway, i ran out and bought some terrible food. junk food, but which was tasty. but not all is there well, in general, it was such a joke, it already started when it was accepted for well, at the beginning of the group on january 1, was there any sense at all from this, or were there any ? well, of course, i was standing on the street, for example.

with ukrainian toasts, after all, a new product, which i think will be replaced by gram, will be worried in ukraine. well, let's see there. well, i was just treating people to all of you. but well is this actually or should it be evaluated for specifics, reflected, children start eating well, i think that a lot of people need to understand that children in general, unhealthy food is what children want, and no matter what you do, you will make super cool food and they will get sick, it is harmful, it is normal but the problem here is that we are talking about the percentage that the children will never eat, we are now saying that the children used to eat somewhere 21% of the children there, according to statistics, 25 children ate in the canteen for everyone else on the street and we want to statistically increase this meeting so that there are somewhere around 70% of the children and we we are in the process of changes, now there are already somewhere around 35,900 children who have started to eat. well, imagine if

we had 15 thousand schools before the war, multiply by the number of people there, children, children, up to 2 million children study million well, you can imagine how many percentages it is and we continue to work, there is still a lot of work to be done, or the menu is ok, but not everyone was able to learn how to cook it, i will teach it to you, war we, uh, not everyone had money for purchases there, some countries had to be reorganized gave a lot of money for support, but now there is money, yes. well, they voted there. uah 1.5 billion was given for a real version of food blocks, but this money is now all gone to war, so there are many moments that have changed, but we continue the reforms, we literally met with the first lady’s team the day before yesterday, i called them i say let's not stop we need to show our enemies that we will not stop us nothing during the war we will change the diet and we were a working group there were many challenges and what we have to do well we will do them well actually it is very cool if we change there is dealing with the issues of

school nutrition during the war, it says a lot about what we have and about values ​​and about some incredible for me even to a certain extent irrational faith of almost every person in victory sorry for the pope this and that well, it is also about belonging . they talked about children. are you interested in the company of children? look at the children. i just see adults in them. they are already quarreling with life, well, they are already doing something, they were taught to defend themselves there, they shout. yesterday, for example , i talked there three times in a day, i argued with no one , i have never had such a life and with no one and yesterday i just started talking in a different way here and there and they all started at me take offense well, children are like that, children. they are free, the independence of children is because i have such an experience, with my nephews, they were godparents when they were little to school, by the way, up to six

to seven years old. they loved terribly, especially boys , they loved terribly to be in the kitchen i remember mine the nephew pulled up the stool, stood up so that he was taller, i was there, for example, i was making cheese there, i was making cheesecake there or somehow there, well, i was baking something there charlotte, my god, how interesting he was, i remember how natalka was shouting to me, one more component is missing, he heard it somewhere the word, what exactly are children, well, look, it is so laid down in childhood that they, well, know how, well, they want to cook, they have such a desire because communication is such a kind of thing. well, it is such an action to play only with products, but it is something more, for example, even on my own, even now when i'm nervous, i start cooking something. and when you were little, did you like to cook there or be interested in something related to it? is it as if, well, i have a little bit different from me? the dishes were it's not a matter of whether it's a boy or a girl, but the boys loved it very much and then they start to be ashamed of him when he stands up to society. so she is our society in which

they say that a man should work at work . woman should be in pink, there is a change, a change of these things and god forbid, mykola will come to us, there will be a woman as president, and she can’t wait for that moment for i think it will be significant for ukraine that when a woman will be the president, it will give her to ukraine . a completely different view, but here before the referral to life, but that's a different topic. i think that men, uh, well, i wouldn't really distinguish between women and men. they just cook. why are chefs better than men, because for them it's not a routine . for women, for a woman. you were already born with a woman. you're like this until the end of the day, you have to cook and you're like that, i don't want to. you have to cook because you're a woman and you say everything. well, no, you're a fool, you're alone with this food, but as they say to a man, if you want, sometimes come and cook, and men are like that. not tomorrow, and of course at such moments you can cook one thing, the week is so cool. and if every day is the same as transferring money to my

family, i want to say that my husband cooks a million times tastier than i do, but a million times less often. well, yes , but he when he cooks, he devotes himself only to this the process is love, and when i cook, yes, and i start cooking, oh yes, there is still something to be done there 50 that is, it is a few things, you scatter yourself on such things , for you it is work every day, and for him, it is i like to do it well, it is nice, i like it and there are women who are not careful, but i do it because, well, they have to be forced to do so, because this is such a society, we have already found ourselves in such a virtual kitchen. we have already started cooking something there, and there, uh, only let's clean the beets, and i, for example, potatoes. i hate cleaning beets well, i'll give you such a bomb secrets well, why learn and what can you say, well, yes , simply, if you give a reason why are you doing this, i mean, any moment in which you are unhappy, you must make it so that there is no point in cleaning it, if there was any point, if you are a banana

, you can to eat, but it will be astringent, but if you bake it, you can eat it, well, that’s how you know how i get a grand piano from the bushes , i so smoothly move on to the topic of borscht, well , first of all, because of those kudos and thanks, and i even give this. we only have it here for what is yours through petitions and efforts, our borscht was finally made ours really and it was contributed as it is correct to say intangible heritage of the world it means that this dish became part of it let's talk about it a little because well you already talk a lot about this topic of course i said i read it but anyway oh well anyway here's what i in the borscht, i'll take a second as if you're interviewing me, er, when i feel bad, when i'm afraid of something , when i have some kind of fear, when i'm cool, i start

cooking borscht, it's not because i'm showing off, that's how it's accepted the stereotype of a ukrainian woman is all there is to it a clear antidepressant is clear to me, and that is why there is probably something in this, that our first question is about a traditional dish. how did you come to the point that you began to defend borscht? well, i see the development of ukrainian astronomy in a slightly different way. borscht was only for foreigners, you couldn't, i didn't sell it to ukrainian people, because i say, "why do you only eat borscht and nothing else? i wanted to find out, and then i went on an expedition. i saw how different borscht is . and when i went, i saw how it is prepared in the fields military people who cook there in polissia on the mountains. i saw that behind every business there is a person and when i dug deeper i just changed my point of view that borscht is the opposite cool. that is, i thought to myself that borscht does not allow us to develop our other dishes well, it's simple, rustic, rustic , and for borscht, he's never eaten gamula, and he's a bit of a mess. let

's go to a ukrainian restaurant, order borscht, lard, and nothing else. it is unclear but but then i felt that people, when they cook borscht, it connects them with the land, with the traditions we talk about, with the culture, what is happening, what happens when you cook, you can be a different person, you can be against the government for power, you can fight there, it can be polite. but you come home and cook borscht, and we are all different . i have my recipe, but it's the same general ukrainian borscht i've already given away 7 pieces of your book, for example well, i'll be honest, i haven't, well, i've studied far from all the recipes. i love the ones that my grandmother poltavaska used to cook, so i kind of cook, but there were some difficulties

when you promoted this story so that he was included in the list of intangible heritage of unesco, someone resisted there, someone said there was a lot of work. it would be difficult the team that did it, my team, she did a little bit of it there, it's a very difficult topic, but it's not necessary in ukraine, you don't have to prove everything to anyone, and that's what you say, because everything is actually one of the unifying things. so, are you for borscht or against everyone? well , here people can speak. there, someone can speak in some different languages, but they say barrels, well , obviously, it's some kind of very annoying bitch, that's why there were no problems, there was a problem, there was a problem, if there was no full-scale invasion, then the problem was that um, then you the russians feared

would have paid money for bribes and so it happened that during the war, for the first time, unesco used one of its rules there and voted voted for borscht when the russians did not expect this, they did nothing, but how can they, for example, me, purely objectively, how can they even at all words to appropriate our borscht because you even sound ukrainian. if it was russian, it would be borscht with a soft sign, well, that is, it is so obvious and it just seems to me that this is why you even came, all this bureaucracy is very cool because, as they say, i'm a piece of paper, so it's cool, but look, well, with borscht, if it were borscht , well, probably a lot of people in the world know, for example, now and now, and i think that's what it is, thanks to you, and i'm already like this shallow podhalemazh because i want to try it later. well , look. well, we have borscht. yes, there are some other dishes. well, maybe there are a number of dishes. the whole world is just full of italian restaurants. there are

some more. and how can you imagine, for example, years later? i won't say five, maybe in 10 or so it may be that there may be such ukrainian restaurants all over the world, such as italian restaurants, for example, and that they will be as popular as chinese countries that what made us think that the cuisine is difficult or not? well, we don't know what our cuisine is, that is first you have to make it food and then there was a wave of emigration and emigrants abroad opened a lot of chinese restaurants, they had a tradition, they opened and now ukrainians who have gone, they also want to participate in restaurants . so i actually wanted to ask about this, is it necessary so to dream about it, that's all because that's what i thought about it too, that all these kitchens that we're talking about became known to a large extent thanks to, well, trouble on the big account of emigration, when people, uh,

left so much that they can't come back. well, a lot who won't come back, that's absolutely normal, that's a statistic . well, they won't come back, but the italians didn't come back either, and in the short term, it's bad, but in the long term, we now all know what pizza is, yes , all food, yes, god, children, that's all if mad that took place i think that the best option unfortunately or fortunately, ukrainians also open hmmm establishments with borscht and that's all and if one borscht one restaurant of one dish well, at least well, there is bread, there is lard , but there is such a thing in prague, just like them there, when i they just don't have a place to make all the things you have published, a book with different recipes , a restaurant, for example, all the different borschts, belts , belts, are you planning well, at least dreams well, i don't have such dreams, i still do them, but i do them because i don't do them, that's why i don't have them i would still dream of such a thing i do it, but i do it because i don’t do it. in fact, i’ve

been thinking about it for a long time. now it’s really the thought that occurred to me that well, we can’t open a ukrainian restaurant. unfortunately, where will there be 10 dishes of aesthetic ukrainian ? and i guess you just love him as a matter of fact. well, maybe you love him, you need to love him, for example, only in germany, because in england. well, i have thoughts and i really want to do it . it's just not that easy. there, you need to form a team to find investment and implement the project will be done, the project will be done, but it will take a little time. your favorite dishes is a very difficult dish i don't know why everyone thinks it's easy

so that's why i'm like you a little i wake up i wake up i always eat the truth is the most important thing for me sometimes i cook for myself for the day to warn you, they bake some fish there or do something else there and eat it, but very often high, well, every year from year to year, i don’t understand, but now is the period when they eat eggs . there is a lot of things, i collect different breakfasts every day, but it is always constructed. that is, you, even for yourself personally, engage in this ugliness, in fact, i am engaged in this ugliness only for myself . and you have a chance to taste what i love. that is, it is not what i i do it for you, but it seems to me that i do it for myself and you just have the opportunity to eat what i like. i also have that kind of thing. i always eat. i cook what i like in all restaurants and establishments. i give what i like on the website. if i don't like some dishes, i won't give it to you because it might be tasty, but i don't like it, i don't want you to eat it, and that's all. it's all good. it's all good. it's all good. it's all good. it's

just global. what's it like at home? well, why are things depreciated? home is simple. what do i mean ? do you cook at home or do you eat in your establishments then yes yes well i'm just at home i'm always preparing this field for experiments yesterday there was chanterelles because i found chanterelles in the store and saw chicken thighs i saw leeks and lemongrass already more yes and now i already understood well you bake chicken thighs with with lemon and chanterelles and a little onion, it's time. that's all. that's it. i'll eat it for a day. and you said, uh, in your interviews, that you're going to do farming, that is, to grow, if uh, well, there are already such products, how are they now ? is it real or something will give everything away i actually made an agreement. i have partners, these are my friends in the rivne region, they have a farm operating there,

they also have crop and livestock farming, a lot of things , and there are greenhouses, and i came to them and said, let’s open a business, a farm. it’s very difficult, it’s long-term it's not just that there are many challenges, but i wanted a farm for a long time, but when i realized that everything came together, i already have a location, there is a place, we will wait until the sun goes down a little and we will plant the first ones , we will create a ukrainian mix of salads , we will use, for example, well, when you buy you will get a salad mix there, iceberg , be happy, arugula, i say, why can’t we, for example, put our quinoa or lovage, put sorrel, spinach, etc. why not and we will experiment, but this is a process of a year and a half, two and three years, no less, because you show me how to sell financially, so that it is correct when to sell it, how to package billions of everything, but we are going to do it. we will also plant, we will have a plan for

next year, we will plant there are many plants peruvian potatoes that grow in the winter and we want them. they grow in the winter. i want to try to grow them here if it is in our climate. imagine that you can get potatoes already in march . the phrase where we are a business, there are farmers, they do business, and we join them and we start various creative things with them and say the experiment directly, tuna, we have somewhere around 10 pieces, we have 10 positions there, it will not work, but one or two will work out, which it's just going to be cool cool and we all went with the team we're already there milk and all a lot of different things we're also trying to use farm products well that's cool it's straight about prolonging life life will win just know i wanted to ask one question but you just he was answered about , for example, emigres. have you thought about emigration,

but i don't ask that anymore? no, why, all sorts of things, look, i've been, i've lived abroad many times, six or how many 5-7 countries, i don't remember anymore where do i live well, i know, i know, i can i'm not happy because we live in my house near alcoholics, yes, near the country, er, alcoholics are my country, well, we have such neighbors, i might not want it, it's better, of course, it was in switzerland or luxembourg, there was never a war in peace, you'll live it's normal for me to be rich and rich, not poor and dying, what's good about you, but my life is like this, i accept it, i can't go abroad because it hurts me there, i'm not happy here, objectively speaking , it's not the best place but here is the closest one. well, here is the heart and not everyone is there well, it can be a wife or a husband, she can be the best person in the world, but she is your child, zhenya, and then the question is, what is

victory for you? because yes, well, we all wish each other, we talk about it. you can imagine how you see it. is it just one day and everyone is blowing up balloons and shooting fireworks or is it just... well, if you thought about it at night. if you didn't think about it, you can not answer such questions . answers and then they get a lot of hate because it 's just stupid. no, but i think it should be better get a hat than they will understand me well, i believe that it will not be a simple victory, it will not be the type of victory in one day well, there are three questions: we will take back the crimea, we will return the luhansk donetsk, and does this mean victory or does it mean that it is not a victory, or what will we do? is it to be done or when we counterattack or when we recapture kherson or is

the victory actually uh-uh it's the people when they say victory no one knows how everyone doesn't ask who they're going to win and how do you have a victory everyone is here that's why the word victory is about how much you are inside you defeat your enemies when you are ready to live. you are ready to fight. you are ready to become even stronger in these conditions, and when victory is when everyone in ukraine will say we have won. he says i wish you to win means i wish you to become strong and not to be afraid of the enemy but to do everything so that we fight back so that we fight so that we defend our country this is called victory so i believe that it comes every day, in fact every day every positive news every positive action of such a person or your hope is already a victory and such a one day we sat there oh how

on victory day we signed some kind of act on the capitulation of russia well, that is possible but i do not believe in such extreme options i know that i am not waiting for victory day. i realized that i will bring it closer and that's why i started to make a farm and we continue school meals and i open more restaurants and establishments. i help people. who needs most of all i don't stop because i know i am bringing this victory closer with my actions and when it happens i will say well okay because when after the victory it will be even more difficult for us because we will have to rebuild everything and this is also such work, you know, it is very important this is very important that's why zhenya this answer is just a balm for my soul. because i'm somewhere so-so, too. well, maybe it appeared there. we imagine it in the same way. that is, it's not some kind of point uh thing. and this is actually not to be afraid and to do what you love. that's why that well, if you just lie down and it will be