territory that needs to be fixed. this plane is not going to taiwan . good afternoon. the armed forces are voluntary, that is, something will happen. well, i don’t see that, i don’t see that the third world war will start because of this, because china, for example, has only 200 or 300 nuclear warheads n- against the thousands that the united states has, and you understand the sense of starting, for example, a nuclear war or some even local conflict with such consequences through taiwan, for example, as ukraine will be, yes, this is for china, it makes no sense, on the contrary, if you were to talk about the advantages of china, then china on the contrary, on the contrary, it is better for him now, on the contrary, to sit quietly in the sense that russia is at war and for him it is for him and he for him is the rear rear calm peculiar where russia can sell zero and its ingressions, you still understand and china right now in total china gets cheap energy resources for him this situation is not worth it if the americans

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war that is currently going on in our territory, well, even i have already talked to some experts on these issues , and they think that it is bad for ukraine because, first of all, the attention of the united states will be taken away , that is, it will be switched to the asian region and of course there will not be such support for ukraine as it is, because as we have already said that the usa will directly participate in this conflict with its armed forces, that is, it is already said and most likely all the weapons will already go there and in this sense, we should count on a greater extent, well, nato europe will most likely not leave us, but american support will of course be less if there really is some kind of confrontation in the asian region, we are waiting for them in october, there should be a land forest here, uh, don't forget, and if there is the conflict is still between the chinese, but it is dangerous for an ivanivite about some kind of lend-less for the taiwanese. well,

the same, the same. well, the problem is that i say that the taiwanese are already selling billions of us dollars in weapons and have sold and are selling and will continue to sell there is no such question as to whether taiwan would not be protected, yes, that is, here the question is that, uh, the question is really to what extent yes, to what extent will the united states participate in this conflict, that is, if it is a direct nuclear conflict, do you understand? well, then that's all it will be. that is, there will not be a local conflict , you understand, it will not be limited because the americans and their wives, as a rule, are not limited to some kind of confrontation. snake, yes, there will be no such thing against it, it will be a confrontation along the entire front, you understand, along the entire front, and well, and excellent, for example, you understand excellent american weapons or the american

strike group of the group that it can also bomb the territory of china, yes. that is, it was created for this attack aircraft and aircraft carrier group a chinese , for example, aircraft carriers. they are only for repelling foreign aircraft carriers, that is, they are unlikely to be able to bring an advantage in the naval battle. if we talk about this and the war segment a if it comes to the shelling of the territory, then of course it is the use of strategic nuclear weapons , and this is global, then the conflicts and ukraine , of course, will be the first to leave very quickly . how do you know, what is the significance of it , now the maximum attention is there in china and in the usa last week, biden and xi jinping spoke on the phone, they admitted that taiwan has always been and remains a key point of intersection of interests

what are the interests of the united states and china in the first place, because for china it is a sovereign territory that no one has the right to encroach on and uh, and in china they say very clearly that you see what a double policy the americans have. they protect the sovereignty of ukraine, and in the case of taiwan violates our integrity for the united states. no , they do not recognize it, they recognize one china, yes . that is, they do not recognize taiwan as a separate state , moreover, the united states has done a lot because taiwan, for example, was thrown out of the united nations and the united nations and replace it with china yes and now, on the other hand, they don't want to surrender this outpost , because for them, it will mean a retreat, a significant retreat of the american presence in this region, a retreat all the way to japan, to korea where

do the americans have bases, that is, in fact, they are giving up the entire coast of the south china sea, the yellow sea, what is going on now, as you know, there are also a lot of disputes with large oil deposits and so on, then the americans say ok, this is actually indulgence, if you say it like that, so that china seized taiwan, just as an example happened with hong kong last year, yes. last year, when china promised not to change hmm internal laws or any status of hong kong as a territory that was transferred to it as a former colony of britain for 50 years, but instead the protests of china and russia as provocations, including those inspired by the united states of 2000, forced china to impose a group on hong kong and say everything is okay, guys, everyone can be, can there be any internal conflicts?

agreements between the united states and china regarding the situation around taiwan and the situation that is happening in ukraine, for example. can the states theoretically yes? and i miss exchanging the interests of china and its control and ivan in support of china. the position of the united states on the conflict in ukraine is an interesting question. i think for china, these are unequal issues, you understand , that is, well, this is an interesting question, on the other hand, i don’t think that it is worth it. that is exactly what it is. some moves by china towards siberia, they can hit putin's ambitions hard enough and it will be a blow to putin's back from china. come on, i would have

phrased it differently. this connection in exchange for taiwan i don't think i don't think that's what it's all about admit china thinks that it doesn't have taiwan, that is, it doesn't bargain for this option because it doesn't see the presence of the united states there, it says it's our territory so that we don't do everything right there and we will to consider as ours and the fact that they, the americans, will not remove their troops from there, i mean their weapons or that they will not refuse to sell, just the visit of pilos, he just demonstrates that in the american with that blyzmet completely different moods, let's say so that they will not trade with taiwan, mix it with the problems of russia or ukraine, etc. although i will tell you that before the war, before the beginning of the invasion, there were indeed such topics that even china would start

a war at the same time as russia, that russia would attack on ukraine is attacked by china in taiwan, as if two fronts are opening at once to stretch the united states and then yes, then there were such versions instead, as we can see . does not consider taiwan to be a story at all, what kind of story should he talk to a third party? china in relation to taiwan. that's how you understand, although here the situation is actually the same as i said, a divided nation, yes, that is, there must be some kind of guarantor. yes, how did they glue germany, for example, the ussr, said ok, we do not object to being absorbed by you, yes

, the same here, that is china is waiting for such conditions to be created that taiwan will join and that this support will withdraw. well, this is not happening and china is ready to wait, while the americans, on the contrary, are winding up like this. come on, let's go quickly. taiwan will join and why does taiwan live here because you know in many associations, so if the territory is not conditionally recognized as another territory, then it is something conditional there, transnistria , abkhazia and the like. i was self-sufficient, i would say so, that is, the people who fled there, you understand , they understood that this is our last bastion. yes, you can say that if we are also kicked out of here, then we will have to flee to the philippines. they created an economic miracle there, or whatever you want, they are a miracle there, well, that is, there was also a tough regime there

, that is, when he was the leader and the ivanivka woman yshi was the leader of the kuomintang, he also actually created an authoritarian regime there, but it was, in principle, just enough, he with it grew due to investments, high-class productions were created there, that is, we can never say that taiwan was poor or it was somehow dependent there , on the contrary, on the contrary, when china began to carry out its transformation, the taiwanese they were the first people to understand that china is where money should be invested, and it was the taiwanese who were the impetus for civilization. the taiwanese were the first investors in mainland china when and and here it is. this is how china sees that it is necessary to attract them gradually, you understand, when the kuomintang was in power, then the communists met with the kuomintang with the leaders of the taiwanese nationalists and tried

let's let's open e-e postal service let's open air service with taiwan let's learn more gradually gradually so that in they are there and the indicators of trade between china and vietnam, even as of today, are quite good, and in the status of whom they trade because, you know, conditionally, we mention the facts when it became clear that ukraine purchased coal from the so -called ldr. so all this ends in cases of high treason because there is such a thing, and there, why is it possible, and there, here is the question, just look at the dezinpin , it is very important that it is the chinese in the first place, what their ideology is, it does not matter, the ideology has always been true, but we greatly exaggerate the meaning, yes the communist party is ruling, but now it is under xi jinping that it is happening. i would say that such a shift of this uh, chinese communism is precisely in the direction of nationalism, that is, the nation becomes a chinese nation

, the formation of a state nation, which is happening now in china, it covers the communists, they fought all their lives , it begins. it begins to sprout through the communist party is nationalism, and it is against this background that they now very easily find understanding precisely with the taiwanese nationalists, but the taiwanese nationalists lost the elections and are now in power democrats, democrats look more to the west , they are more about independence, they are just this idea of ​​a taiwanese identity separate from the chinese, they are very actively promoting it, they have printed passports of taiwanese citizens, who, like everyone else in the world, try not to notice it, yes, they do not notice anything, they say you are the same brothers, what other chinese people from all over the world and let's join us in the nation and let's forget about all these misunderstandings of ours for all the decades and we will go as a united nation let's

let's return to ukraine, yes, and in may, ukraine offered china to become a guarantor of security and a guarantor of the fulfillment of certain obligations there , because there so that what will be the signature in the future is, can we really count on support for china, given all that you said about his relationship with putin, about his interests in this war, about the conflict with the united states . he we then on signed let's go now yes 94 for the price he provided separate guarantees outside outside budapest numbers and where they are they are formally active this statement yes yes pending implementation but but it is clearly written there that er there is such a phrase if ukraine er will be under

attack from on the part of the nuclear state well, what is in principle in fact is that kyiv and beijing will hold consultations like this. that is, all guarantees are limited to the consultation, they will go through at least not, that's the problem. this is exactly what mr. yarmak was talking about, which probably also started in march, when this idea in general, it was asked who to invite to the guarantors . of course, he then mentioned china, but we have to work here, and in the form of how to say it was announced in istanbul, what guarantees do we want ? they won't go, why won't they go because the guarantees that ukraine is talking about, they are talking about the fact that these are the type of nato guarantees, yes, something will happen to ukraine, and you will be followed by the chinese, and you will be obliged through there, after these consultations, to join if they

you are failing, you are obligated to defend ukraine, but the chinese will never do that, so that some third country demands from them that they promise something to protect them, that is, it will never happen, that some third power tells them to say so, or to formulate it more clearly for them to be dependent on the decision of some third countries, this is the problem, you understand, that is, with china, you need to produce your own sanctions, that is, your own guarantees, well , look, they guarantee us that they seem to protect us in the sense that there should be consultations carried out so that there would be no nuclear attack with the use of nuclear weapons against ukraine, then china seems to have to guarantee as a member of the nuclear club, let's say so, but this is also very blurred because for all these years, almost 30 years, we have never resorted to this mechanism, for example, we have always decided this was even when there was crimea, this was also, in

principle, already the first precedent. and then everything went so quietly. we never applied. and on this background, as the chinese said, that is, to be able to. we have such a problem. the problem is that we do not have a relationship with china. political dialogue, china is our largest trading partner with 1 billion dollars 15 billion dollars, but we haven't had a meeting of presidents for 8 years, well, visits, exchange of visits, poroshenko met sizingina, but high- ranking visits what would we really discuss, what kind of relations do we have, our strategic partnership as it is in our country, it is frankly complicated relations, because you remember last year's story, the privatization of the sichi motor, yes, the story is quite complicated there, but in fact china is very offended by ukraine even in the international e filed lawsuits and uh well, in such conditions of real cases to expect them uh now if this too few people know we owe

china a billion dollars we now owe him and already the payment terms have passed and china is now insisting let's decide something. 7 billion. and we also take billions from europe and we can't pay this billion to china. well, if we take billions from china, well, now they won't give it. there's been no ambassador of ukraine in china for a year. yes what yes and what just right now there is mr. yermak or mr. yarmak arkhamia, uh, from his side, who said that he read all of zinpin’s works and it was very easy and highly praised. yes, if they want to sit on this track, you understand perfectly well, but it is necessary here. here is such a question that it is necessary to understand what they want the chinese what are they ready for? what are they not ready for in the context, because, excuse me, we were silent until we held negotiations. russia was bullying them . their own

good wishes to china yes, but for example, look at all those declarations, there is still no recognition of the annexation of crimea, which is a clear position of china. that is, it is sovereignty and territorial integrity - this is something that china will not concede, because if we admit that crimea can sail away, then taiwan can somewhere, that is, a foundation, a foundation for negotiations. and we really do have some security guarantees from china, yes, that is, china does not recognize it, but this story that you say, how russia invaded china and we missed it, reminds me of what is happening right now on the african continent, lavrov's visits , lavrov's attempt to negotiate, and we, too, seem to be playing second fiddle in this story. well, we're not going to present the law now. yes, yes . let's end our conversation and return to its beginning. we already understand the direct direct confrontation between china and

the usa. how do you assess the feasibility of this scenario in the coming months, well, the coming months are less, that is, now it is a very hot topic. and if china has a congress, china does not want there to be any a hot topic is that when the congress takes place, all attention should be focused on the congress and not on the war , in the same way in the united states they have elections for the congress and for biden and for pilos they are also very important therefore it is possible now if this on scoring points, let's say certain points for the pre-elections - before the elections, and there and there, there is a mention of mrs. polesi. she, in particular, in ukraine, they learned about her when she publicly when mr. tram was still president, she and the lady who stood behind and demonstratively ripped him the protrusion yes then the sinking no you can hear no one yes well, in fact, it would be like that in ukraine, let’s say so internationally, exactly this

significance yes, because it was already in ukraine , for example, during the war. that is, it also shows that it can take such strong steps, you understand , even those that baida cannot do. biden cannot go to ukraine i came, you understand, and so and so. that is, she is an independent player as well and she is not unconnected . the conflict is mine the position of a person who studies china, that is, they do not seek conflict, but they will answer if they are dragged into this conflict . well, i don’t want to mention putin’s phrase here, if the dragon is a poacher, it is inevitable to be the first. that she took off, disappeared from the radar, then there were posts about where exactly she was flying, but this did not happen the

day before, it looks like this, uh, combat intelligence well , you can see how your enemy reacts , you know, russia, too, for example, last spring arranged maneuvers and everyone also thought that then the war would start and many of my chinese friends called and said that you already have a war there. i would have said a year ago. but no, everything is fine. why might they not have believed the whole war, the accumulation of troops, because then everything was over, you understand but what are your chinese friends saying about the war in ukraine, because as far as i know, they have been showing the russian news for many years and broadcast it automatically through a satellite into chinese, and that's why the chinese simply don't have such horrors , they know everything about the war that the russians know, see 90%, i would, but according to our estimates, our association also conducts such monitoring, let’s say, of chinese snakes there 90% are actually people who repeat russian narratives 90% for whom they listen from 90 10% who are smart without insulting everyone

there 90% china 90 10% of chinese who are able to bypass the firewall and this is also a problem. sorry, because not all chinese wait and read western snakes and ukrainian media. they bypass the firewall and receive this information, and they basically understand who is on the side of good and who is on the side evil, this is a key point, it is very important for the chinese because their propaganda also says that there is no side here, evil, good, ukraine is as guilty as russia, it is also pushed by the west, that’s all. and the chinese, who more or less understand the situation, they say no, and this is our task by the way, many chinese now also want to come here and cover with their own eyes here, for example, chinese journalists, in principle, also work here and they have all the means, in fact, and they want to understand what is happening to us, but censorship censorship at a certain level certain er let's say

it lets this information to those pi for example when this information well this information is ukrainian does not begin to completely cover these russian narratives yes that is, when the chinese already see that this is completely a russian lie, here they are here very carefully, but in any case, we as ukrainians, as people who saw the great war with our own eyes, we definitely do not want another war on our planet, but we only want the war that is going on in ukraine to end as soon as possible and end ours victory, oleksiy koval was with us in the studio, he is a journalist, an international member of the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies, natali ostrovska, yevgeny kuksin, stas yasynskyi, and frankivskyi, night watch 1+1, we hope you found it interesting, you learned a lot of new information. see you on the air, dear precious ukrainians, i greet everyone us

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