and such a thing will happen, but everyone gave themselves the opportunity to put it somewhere far away, you understand, even those who lived through this war for many years, everyone knew what it was, but almost no one among those i know personally, it was units. well, at the state level, you all know what happened at the level of the state, we were waiting for them kebabs, if we are not talking about the army, and about society in general, you have already noticed that almost no one was preparing and did not expect that a large-scale invasion would still happen, and despite the statements of our western partners and the development of other countries, right now, do you think our society understands

why the russian aggression arose, but only the reasons, the main factors of this, the history and the feedback, there is already such an awareness among ukrainians about this, after all, not at all levels. listen, well, don’t expect more from people than they can feel and think and so on, a large part of society began to look at all this in a different way, but people are only people and it is always for those who do not care about what power to live for those who are not physically able to think wider than their garden here or there a bench near the entrance because it it is unreal in any society, it is unreal if everyone understood what was happening as one, all

as one studied history, all as one were military experts, this will not happen, but society has grown up, grown up significantly literally in six months, in general, we have to do not to the russian military, but to the civilian russians now, do you support the thesis that a good good russian is dead russians? i believe that the main thing we have to do is not to turn into them, this is a war on the territory, this is a war not of countries, this is a war worldviews, and it is very important for me to embroider my soul not as it is in them, if it is in them no

, i am not ready to kill everyone, i am not ready to kill a person who came to my territory with a weapon, i have no doubts what to do with her but to kill , for example, women the children of old women are not their territory , this is not about me and i hope never about me. i also hope that most people will be able to step over this black pain because of the huge hatred that they have, not for their sake, they are not worth anything for their own sake, otherwise if we become with them they will win in any case even if we get to moscow or vladivostok and we

will get to see and see and what for you by the way, the victory is what it was if we talk about our society. i think that everyone should draw huge conclusions and we have never let this happen again there must be blood with a crocodile there a fence to the sky whatever eh we should never be more and as for our neighbor and let's be honest about the two neighbors i wanted to see how these

countries move but independently thank you very much madam lesya for your answers, for taking the time to defend our country and still giving us such an important interview with us was lesya litvinova, a volunteer, public figure, the founder of her charity fund and now a defender of ukraine. good morning to all those from espresso. we continue our marathon together with andrii seychuk, the audience asked me from our previous hour when we were discussing the monuments of vatutin to pass it on to you andrii and still i want to

clarify also for all the viewers so that we do not introduce certain misinformation here ask serhiy to tell me that vatutin was killed by the ufians not after the war, but during the wounding in february 1944. he died on april 15, 1944. thank you for the clarification. wise remarks and remarks when you just want to express your bad mood well then, not to us to the psychologist serhiy is a very valid remark because i forgot this moment well, i am friends i am not a professional historian so i may be wrong sometimes but there are still such things mr. svinchuk wrote whatever svyatchuk does not interpret his history, but i will do it myself because i want to do it, and

i do it. that's all, first of all. from the book, actually, from these, from the song, from the half don't throw it out, mykhailo hrushevsky himself wrote about it, reread it about such ukrainians now and turn to mykhailo hrushevsky with these comments , actually. will be som the same as in lithuanians are similar in the same way as poles are similar , because it’s a little bit and i’m like that, the heritage of the grand duchy of lithuania likes it, you don’t like it well, they are, let’s move from history to the history that is happening right now to what is happening at the zaporizhia npp by us olga kosharna quest expert-kaz of atomic energy and we will ask her what is happening there, whether we can expect that mrs. olga, we congratulate you, whether we can

expect what is there putin talk to macron and, as it were, presented on the terms of ukraine so that the mission i finally arrived at your gas station in a second, check it, check the clean microphone. it ’s been 4 years now, and now we hear that the mission in ukraine is really being actively prepared, a coordination meeting is being held between all the interested parties, but i was embarrassed by the fact that this weekend, again, there were shelling in - first of all, thanks to the fact that the opposite shore was actively bombarded with rockets, and from missile weapons, they provided that the personnel, er, were sent, even those who have a license, you are for the weekend, and er, the weekend

is just there was a shelled building, some backup generators for the fifth and sixth block, that is, the situation continues on a wheelchair as for that, putin agreed there, but in fact it is a requirement of international law that the mission from our territory is controlled by ukraine because it is our property the staff works on our behalf. here, accordingly, there was no second option at all, just russia, which violates absolutely everything, including absolutely all the conventions that made up the international regime of nuclear security is a fact. this is our supreme verkhovna rada. she wrote a wonderful appeal, which is already a permanent representation in ukraine, and published it

, and asked the secretary to vote and distribute the list to absolutely all conventions that are violated by the russian federation in connection with with the delight of the zaporizhia countries a-a c i also ask a-a lady er-e i meet many such er-e assertions well, we also have such things said on the air here er-e well, it’s true not from nuclear energy experts here a just general experts about what about what actually uh, nothing super scary can happen in this uh nuclear power plant because there is depleted uranium there, there was some kind of nuclear detonation, it can't be like an atomic bomb , it's definitely not it will explode under no circumstances. and the timetables. is this a clear optimism? can you be cautious or careless? the point is that

from my point of view, there will definitely not be a nuclear explosion, but there is a mass of risk that must be taken into account when we have introduced the events after the fourth lesson were focused on which, when the external power supply failed, backup diesel generators were filled with tsunami. and here they were unable to deliver on time. there was a meltdown of the active zone, the so- called hydrogen explosion, the release of radioactivity, so that this would not allow up to 20 such stationary reserve diesel generators to be installed on the site of the zaporozhye station. there are also mobile ones feeder generators and pumps, mobile fuel reserves up to 10 days and during this time of course, you have to try very hard to allow the melting of the active zone, but this is what our institute in

hydrometrology calculates and we regulate it together with our scientific and technical center, they calculate from the beginning the possible spread of nuclides in the case of this most severe accident at one reactor with a meltdown of the core or depending on the weather conditions and depending on the wind. there was a period of weather conditions on august 15-17, but there were options, somehow, the wind was in the direction of the east , i.e. west. that she is here again on the 18th, well, this is the next one wrote on the 5th page that the ukrainian military terrorists are nuclear, they are the ones

who violated absolutely all the conventions. part of the equipment from the energy supplier was taken to the roadblocks , but that’s what they limit the personnel, there are days off , in case of some force majeure, there is a certain procedure, there may not be enough trained personnel, and the russian representatives, who are there, they can’t managing a nuclear installation is all the chiefs understand from the chief engineers of the engineers of the nuclear plants of russia and that's why it 's impossible to simply get russian operators there and so on because we have a little friend for the second one, now, after modernization, i have to learn all this on simulators and so on, so i have this, calm down, the final state

of the zaporozhskaya station staff . and eh, it hurt me especially to read that eh, about vseonistr, eh, energoatoms, eh, they don't collect money for the arrival of energodar families after september 1 in boarding houses, eh , that's why it's painfully strange for me, i understood that way that the people who are leaving the personnel, but not the critical personnel who operate the reactor installations, they do not receive support from energoatomy without employment, that's what we need to do with it. you said the following phrase about the fact that the russian personnel will not be able to give advice on the

zaporizhzhia npp, since it is arranged differently after modernization. i correctly understand that their nuclear power plants lag far behind our ukrainian ones. the stress of the mythology of the european union, even if we were not eh about my candidates as associate members and then at this time and according to the results of these passions eh, reports were written, missions from european experts arrived, rich and we made a program for the implementation of the measures they были рализоны and this is how the modernization is estimated together by the safety of the operation , we are the partner verification of the world association of power operators and, in particular, the consecration of the parties to the nuclear safety convention, and here we noted that

ukraine is a good practice called the magate, this is the modernization of some blocks, taking into account the accident at the focal points, there are not only additional mobile and reserve hydrogen generators, but i will strengthen it on the herma shell, there are placed under the herma shell, a recombinator of water supply in order to prevent a serious accident from the melting of the core . there was a hydrogen explosion. how was it in the er focus, so we now have accurate control shields er replaced from soviet to fully ukrainian production, we have two outstanding ones there are enterprises that benefit from the automatic control system of technological processes and control over the safety of the reactor, this is the north-donetsk impulses, which are from the kropnytskyi council. all these systems are of a different configuration, and accordingly there is an educational

training center for the operator of the operator's installations. major circumstances, therefore, if they bring the operator of the russian emu to train for quite a long time, because the operator has been preparing for 10 years in order to get the right and a license to control the lines. and what about we are still military personnel who, uh, seem to have signs of severe poisoning. the ministry of defense of russia says that there was no radiation. the wet pad is now normal, there was no increase in radiation, there was no blogger, or volunteers

of the local parametrization of that type - this is not the case. well, we remember that in kyiv at the beginning of this war, they had dry solders 15 there on the 12th they are overdue on the 8th of some years. i think that they are already 6 months into the war, as they were in 1962. who are the tanks getting supplies from? they probably have them somewhere since those years and the dry rations have gone into circulation, so what will happen next is only to increase the number of reports of botulism from botulism, our er citizens who donate some of their conservation there and well, they also do not spare old reserves for the invaders, well, our ukrainians are such good people. you know, there is such a

kolomoyka about the good hutsuls, then they caught a chinese man, and now they caught a muscovite. well, what happened next, i don’t even know, they put him in jail for 15 cases. so what do i want to say to you? god , i just wanted to say something . after all, from the previous hour, one of the viewers also reacted that they made monuments to us, i forgot, unfortunately, what is the name of the viewer, but i want to say that the monuments in themselves did not do anything, but i don't know if they are on the streets or that's how you do it but let's say i when i go their street, i see the name of this street, it matters to me what it is called, and if i don't know the name of this person, that is, i don't know who this person is or what the street is named after, and right away i start to wonder what she is, who she is, why she has a relationship with to this street to this city, what did she do for this

country? and the same with monuments, that is, if there are monuments to someone there, then why are they standing on our streets, why should monuments to vatutin, who destroyed ukrainians, stand on the streets of ukraine ? that it turns out that we have to worship those who are us kills, let's give a famous quilter vatutin, you understand, russians always have a thing for monuments, almost immediately they erect their monuments, they even fight with the letter in the name of the city of mariupol and take away ours with a dot, and put uh, theirs, that is, ours, and here uh grandma here with a flag with a tricolor already got married right away, they immediately start marking their territories, that's why monuments are important. actually, we continue our morning broadcast with latsiokulyuk and maksym kostetskyi, a lawyer, and larisa golnyk, a judge, join us.

just now good morning, i can see it, i understand the feature, i want to see it, say good afternoon to us, so that we can also hear what you are, what we hear you. i congratulate you. good morning, everything is great, i can hear everything, mrs. larisa remembered it just yesterday, so maybe you had hiccups , roman maselko and i were thinking about you they say that he said that you are not worthy to be in the supreme council of justice, which of course surprised me because you are for ukrainians, for many ukrainians, roman maselko did not say that mrs. larisa was unworthy. he said that there is an ethical council and decided yes or no p- mr. roman mr. roman is of the same opinion as i am as a large number of ukrainians for whom she is a symbol of the

struggle for justice and for justice in the ukrainian courts. to be grateful for the fact that they make sure that everything is done so that the mosquito does not infect the school, the judges said that there are many scoundrels among them and well, seriously, mr. maselko said that the judges were offended, mrs. larisa took offense to her colleagues. i think that i didn't offend when you know you call a spade a spade, but what they really are and the fact that the judicial community is quite conservative, and sometimes even reactionary

. of the problem, a rather serious accusation of corruption arises, and this is the permanent basis for why i was forced to turn to my colleagues and try to reach them, but unfortunately they do not listen and still do not understand what the problem was in our judge and i i think that this is a problem not only of the one in which i work, but this is a very typical problem. because we later saw, well, we saw that these are isolated cases when the judge says that something is wrong in their court , that corruption is happening, when the judge declares corruption, but the question is not that only in the fact that he declares about corruption and tries to

fight it. and when i was persecuted, i didn't name it. i thought that i was trying to convey publicly about this problem that exists . the critical council did not understand our in the ukrainian context, they did not understand the ukrainian context in which the judicial reform is changing, why did they introduce such an ethical check before the subjects of the appointment of justice should be judged dishonest and precisely it just seemed to me that the lack of further transparency and the violation of certain regulations of the ethical council’s own regulations

created a problem a-a in that it seems to me that international experts are not fully aware of everything what kind of documents should they thoroughly investigate and even submit, you know, in the ethics council there was supposed to be one international speaker per speaker, one speaker from the ukrainian side , and the ukrainian side had no confidence in it because there were two representatives from the council of judges who er, to which there is also a claim. and here, er, this is the lack of participation, and the international expert trusted them from the authorities, because they gave me a negative conclusion. i don’t know, er, maxim, in your opinion. well, here or here or here, it could be about some kind of corporate, conventionally speaking, or is it

more like that, the law of silence among the sicilian mafia is spinning, do n't say anything bad about your colleagues, because judges really don't like it when they use this word judicial mafia, but it's quite common in anti-corruption circles such a term is used well, after all, where well, we want to bring to the supreme council of justice people who will tell the truth and call a spade a spade. do we want to find people who will never offend, but somehow neatly between the drops little by little, they will do their job, maksym, you know, this is a very painful topic, in fact, because in our country, every president who began his term of office began it by promising judicial reform, which is why many representatives of the ukrainian judiciary are very skeptical of of judicial reform as such and to the effort of er to get

inside the internal history of corporate er, a large part of judges is actually interested in er to stop paying attention to such a strong focus on the judicial community and focused on some other aspects, because it would be more convenient, it would be more comfortable not to change anything, especially when for decades any attempt at reform ended only in facade reforms in changes to signs and changes in administrative structures that were managed by the ukrainian judicial system. in fact, the issue is very deep because ukraine inherited the judiciary sisted from the soviet union a little bit of her primarafetala changed some cosmetic procedures a little bit and implemented part of the european legislation and legislation is related to the protection of human rights, at the same time the very essence of judicial proceedings is very often not

related to the direct search for justice and the search for the best solution by many judges, that is, very often the judge does not act as the arbiter he should be, why what is the point in such a case what is the essence of what is the spirit of the judicial corps? we are talking, for example, about corruption at a state-owned enterprise. i always remember mr. parkhomenko, the former manager of the ukrainian mining and quarrying company, who said that the problem was not even that his predecessor stole money, he would have taken it, but that he had to build a lot of schemes for this and he simply did not have time to do one's work to develop the enterprise, for example, well, he had to keep all these schemes in working order so that they could steal a tract of land, well, it sounds, you know, let's simplify corruption as much as possible for that so that it would be possible to engage in public

administration as well, at least a little. i think that the problem is that a large part of the community is simply used to internal corporatism and absolutely avoids any attempts to enter new frameworks and new standards of how it should be carried out in relation to china, and a large part simply banally afraid that they will cover the manger and cover up the opportunity to earn significant amounts of money, i will remind you that after the judicial reform of the previous president, the level of salaries of judges from the district courts to the supreme court and to talk about the fact that judges are currently not receiving money. this would be absolutely and untrue, because judges of the supreme court, for example, receive up to uah 300,000 per month, and this is the level of salary . which should ensure independence. the question is that now when we talk about judicial reform, we are talking mainly about the reform of the bodies of the lviv

government, the higher council of justice and the higher qualification commission of judges, and there are so many tools to spoil at least one of components of this process in order to prevent the final result that they are, we are trying to take advantage of it. in the same circle, the result will be the despair of that part of the professional community that will simply avoid entering the profession because they will not see the result that should to be staying