when we had a discussion in the people's council about what this act should be, what should this document be called, we didn't know the name yet, there were different proposals at the meeting of the people's council, and universal and the law and uh the declaration, although we passed the declaration a year ago on july 16, 1990, and all that. so, we agreed on the word, the act, we create the historical act of the restoration of ukrainian statehood, and look, i know that very few people know the text of this document, this historical document, and i took it for 25 seconds

i will read your permission, because it is very appropriate, it will be an act, which is basically this text, which i mainly processed and made a rough draft of, like, sketched out by levko lukyanenko, cut off by education , so, of course, i have an interview with levko like him how did he work on it? what thoughts came out of him, so to speak, and so on and so on and the final results already ? act of proclamation independence of ukraine based on the mortal danger that loomed over ukraine in connection

with the coup d'état on august 19, 1991, continuing the thousand-year tradition of state-building in ukraine, and what i said was that when we could not insert the word er into the title of this document non-declaration and restoration of our independence, the communists did not want to vote, so here we are. based on the right to self-determination provided for by the charter of the united nations and other international legal documents, implementing the declaration on the state sovereignty of ukraine, the verkhovna rada of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic, it is scary to read this

name of our so-called state, solemnly proclaims the independence of ukraine and the creation of an independent ukrainian state, ukraine, territory of ukraine is indivisible and inviolable, henceforth on the territory of ukraine only the constitution and laws of ukraine are valid, this act enters into force from his approval, the verkhovna rada of ukraine, the signature of leonid makarovych kravchuk, in a word, this document, dreamed of for centuries, we succeeded in spite of these details that accompanied the path to this vote, and when exactly at 18:00 kravchuk , when already pavlychko, came running from the marching bureau with a

sheet on which this text was already printed and gives him standing behind garmyder, there is a noise in the session hall, and dmytro vasyliovych gives this piece of paper to kravchuk and says he will vote, this is after kravchuk, after a short pause, says "maybe on monday" let's postpone the voting pavlychko again after a short pause, he says, "what kind of soul is this dmytro vasyliovych, and in his uh first volume, he mentions this well, and this is with his own ears , uh, so to speak, he heard this in front of him, he was not offended at all and made another small pause, for some reason he was delaying putting to the vote, then when i was

in one of my programs where i invited leonid makarovych , i asked him why you, what did you delay? so further he says i knew what u in the basement there in the assembly hall in the cinema hall , the communist faction headed by gorenik is finishing up the meeting. here they already had the final decision. wow , they will support this act or not with their faction, because he says, i was afraid that when i put it to a vote, we will not even get 226 votes and that there will be a scandal for the whole world and so on. now we will continue. i will add volodymyr, just about whom you are talking about the communists. well, they will agree or not. i want to translate that to russia, which i again read in one of kravchuk's interview, which he built, whether it was gordon

or who, i don't remember you, that they came from moscow and places of interest at that time and actually intimidated and warned ukraine against such a path as sovereignty and then independence, mr. volodymyr what do you think is the truth? because russia then temporarily allegedly, as they say, gave ukraine to belarus or a state there with the fact that later on it would be returned mentally and yeltsin and all their top brass understood that, well, de jure ussr there is no fact, it is and the time will come and it will be restored a then when the time came and it did not recover and then there were attempts to separate crimea with that president mishkov, then there were many, many stories when russia tried to combine it again, well , the creation of the cis and so on. and is today's war really just a fact that russia decided , as they say, to repay her debts, and since she cannot do it with good will, she decided to return the weapon to the ussr, because she never gave it up, please well, first of all, i

admire uh-uh, such thoroughness, dedication, which p yaroslav documented this entire national liberation process, he is a fantastic personality in this, because all the significant events were documented by him in a lot of documents . and now his testimony is more than important, because i observed the same process on the streets and us there there was probably a million and when at the moment when leonid uh-oh uh-uh when dmytro vasylyovych pavlychko came to kravchuk and stood to vote somewhere literally an hour before that, we caught the odesa populist afangal who was fleeing from treason and said yes, go and vote because we here now we will crush you right on the street, that is, dmytro vasylyovych very clearly and the people's council clearly

understood that the street is so electrified, that there are a million or even more ukrainians standing there, and if independence is not declared at this moment, then the people will simply go to the council and that's all. in russia, general vareinikov er-e frankly rammed er-e leonid makarovich kravchuk , the blackmail was so completely frank, that is, several planes er-e now er-e flew from moscow to from kyiv. here the landing brigades were all raised but it is still necessary to take into account this talent of kravchuk to drag and hold a pause, and it was from kyiv that it was clear that such a wave of problems was piling up on her brain that she could not cope with. well, this was confirmed by experience, that is, the act was announced on the 24th,

but now let's look at a certain logic uh, a tug of war for such intellectual and political primacy, because somewhere in the whole uh, uh, 91st half of 92th year, after all, kyiv was the intellectual leader of the post-soviet space , everyone looked back at kyiv, moscow was so numb from everything that was pouring down the soviet union and the poor er, well, the government’s fear of er, a united people who can simply , er, sacrifice the russian government itself, er, in fact, er, kyiv took advantage of this pause, and quite competently, the only thing that must be understood is that the ukrainian people, too. well, he more stable and he looks less back at, let's say, such social dependence on the government, and in

ukraine he always feeds himself, this is a very important factor, unlike in russia, that is why this shock of the collapse of the soviet union lasted 10 years 5 no less, let's remember when this whole mess she woke up first in the crimea and then it started in the donbass in kharkiv, well, kharkiv turned out to be such a guild city, let's remember that kharkiv even delegated well, let's look at kharkiv residents, for example, the same grynyov, who was the deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada of the 12th convocation of the ukrainian ssr or the first convocation of independence, he turned out to be a sufficiently democratic person, that is, uh , despite everything

the intelligence agency of the special service and actually launched a campaign against the ukrainian state, we will listen now, we have 15 minutes left, but here is one more topic, and we will discuss it. not on the day of the declaration of independence several years later, but this is the 1997th year, these are very important words, let's listen , but still, this is not the independent ukraine that you and i wanted. which yes there is a lot of talk, they don't do it so that finally prosperity will go to every house so that finally the language, culture, spirituality of ukrainian is highly valued and not further, it was very good indeed, i told ivan drach to think, we are to blame for the fact that in 1991 they

left there on the mountain in in kyiv, the power is in the hands of the old nomenclature, it is you, all the democratic organizations, we are to blame for these parties, we are to blame for the fact that in 1994 the elections were held and today, we have no opportunity to make mistakes , because today the question is whether to be us or not to be us, what has led to this war is just putin attacked, well, look for the guilty among us, well, you know, there are many things that are done wrong. many states have their own problems, but not all states have problems near the borders. putin, who believes that this state does not exist. he believes that ukraine does not exist. this is the main problem, but in this war how do you see the perspective and how do you see the perspective of this people, who is now, this government, who is now, this army, who is now to win and what will be the victory in this war, i am reinforcing here, it is interesting that you

touched on the question in such a way that now there is no point in looking guilty, why are we 30 years in 30 years? of course , it was possible to take a much more positive way to strengthen the establishment of our state, even the defiance of the act of independence, i saw my brother vyacheslav chornovol's light and memory, and now i the episode that comes to mind is when we already left the session hall on the 24th. there are unique shots when hmm i already said that at 6 p.m. the number 346 votes for this document flashed on the scoreboard, then, uh, we

passed a lot of resolutions there eh and eh at 9:00 p.m. 5 minutes, we brought this huge blue-yellow canvas into the session hall at 21 hours 10 minutes, you can see how much it was engraved in the memory of the minutes, we remembered the session for the first time since the moment when it started working as a house where the highest legislative body of soviet ukraine sits, even then, and so on. well, there is a man gathered around the tribune somewhere. maybe there are 15-20 pavlychko and mykhailo kosiv and lesterniuk and vyacheslav chornovil and everything and everything is a lot and volodymyr yavorivskyi is always somehow there

it is obvious that he has no musical ear, he did n’t have a problem. unfortunately, it wasn’t like that. oleksandrovich, and we sang. ukraine is not dead yet, neither glory nor will. oh, there is a red viburnum in the meadow. that’s how we finished this work . day and already went outside and when we came in we were already tired, sleepless, nervous, but we were infinitely happy. we lived in a hotel in kyiv - it is next to the verkhovna rada, we went to the second floor, there we asked the girls to give us something to eat , and they gave us that, and the truth is, well, friends ours is a clear thing warmed by the mood of that event and we are all happy, we are happy, because this is the case of ukraine, we won

an independent ukraine and how everyone who took the floor for the e-e-tosstva definitely emphasized that we what geniuses we are, what good men we are, without a single shot, without a drop of blood, without a single sacrifice we won the independent ukrainian state and already at the end of our dinner, uh, he gets up from the number in chornovil and says, fellow friends, i share your joy . today's mood, but i know that i know what situation ukraine is in. who are the neighbors of ukraine and his almost verbatim words. unfortunately, i did not record it on camera because there was no opportunity then and

he says that freedom and independence are not sanctified blood they are not valued first of all by their own people who live in this state and secondly, knowing who our neighbors are, muscovy, which is the eternal enemy of ukraine and it will never remain, so to speak , friendly to its younger brother, as they called us ukraine and ago he tells us that the time will come. these are his words literally, that what we did today, even though it was extremely difficult, will seem to us to be the easiest thing that we did before. what are the problems that we will face in the future ? that's how it is . look at one more thing. i'm finishing so that volodya

has time to tell me. svyatoslav maksymchuk called me a few days ago. he is writing memoirs and he needed to find the exact date when the zankivchan evening took place. lesya i found him a tanyuk at the zankovetska theater in lviv, because there is a full recording of this evening. and at the same time, i listened to it because it was so much. there was such a tradition that he barely speaks and says some general things, and then those present in the hall send notes, questions, and so on. and here is a note

about that this very evening took place on april 17, 2000 , just as putin left, yeltsin brought putin this presidential cabinet put the president in the chair and questions about putin, and now i have written these words, i think that they must be voiced somewhere, that even then it was 2000, that's 20 two years have already passed. that's what les says that putin came to power in russia, it means that fascism begins in russia and then he develops this topic, well, such an exquisite classical fascism, a model of fascism, nazism, which today is planned in russia. well, in previous history, hitler and mussolini together hid here , and hmmm, we had to survive this and reach

of what we have today, mr. volodymyr, i will ask the question like this. and you can supplement it or, er, leave it a little. well, the russian empire is falling apart. and you know somewhere a leg fell off, somewhere an arm fell off, that a person can live without it, even somewhere without an ear, somewhere without a kidney there is still something without something, and russia somehow lives without all these central asian republics, the caucasian republics also lives even without the baltic countries but is ukraine really the heart around which this russian organism was formed and when this heart is from you are being taken out, well, there is no life, is it true that russia cannot live in ukraine or is it trying so hard to destroy it, like this olaf scholtz told putin before the war that ukraine would not be in nato for another 30 years, don’t worry, i then told me that in principle you see it will be will it be too much, i just don't want ukraine or belarus to exist as independent states, please, well, about the heart

, ukraine is the heart for russia, russia is for ukraine a louse that sits on our body and all the blood is just a matter of what uh, this territory is uh, posordynska it existed without ukraine until the 18th century, until the middle of the 18th century, until feofan prokopovych taught them the theme of the empire, so to speak. how is it not sad, that is, educated ukrainians first expected to use this wild territory, and then this wild the territory swallowed ukraine, therefore, in fact, russia could not come up with any original concept of its statehood, instead of absorbing the concept of ukrainian statehood, that is, appropriating

, lying, dragging it onto itself. ukrainians created settlements on the territory of present-day russia, and the process is evidenced by toponymy. that does not mean that we are a part of uh, well, some uh, body of great russia, well, no one - never a british person will say uh, first of all, americans, americans never you will say that great britain is the heart of the united states, that is, a normal, self-sufficient country never seizes, does not steal someone else's history, does not steal someone else's historiosophical concept, and does not appropriate it. moreover, this same appropriation is not creatively rethought if you appropriate, let's say, the concept of the ukrainian state, then please, appropriate the

democratic competitive system that ukrainian statehood had, and not such an asian -asian monopoly and uh, well, uh, human hatred, you tie it to a really beautiful, uh, bright and of a self-sufficient historical plot, that's what the real problem is, you know, there are two such concepts of power in the world. that's why among theorists of power there is, well, what is defined is the government or bandits who plunder the territory and bandits who develop settlements the territory of the russian government has always been a nomadic power, even the current russian government makes money on the territory of russia and takes all the funds abroad and tries to settle

there, why, for example, now there is a terrible discussion in latvia at first and now already and in georgia, what is this, well, the deposition of such a substrate of russian, well , imagine in georgia, there are more than three million people, there are already 300,000 russians, and this domination is beginning in the consumer sector. georgian cuisine is still something the same, and in latvia the discussion started there, this tv channel appeared, but it rained, and they started to hang out all the time. from the russians, what did he do, especially in the ukrainian issue? well, what to do with it, that

is, the main task now is when the countries that surround, when, well, from the western defense of vladimir, there is no border with russia, she is not afraid of it, but the collapse of the russia will have to buffer us with those who border with russia and this is probably an eternal mission in ukraine, i will say only one thing, thanks to you and everyone who has been creating this independence for 30 years and has been doing well, in principle , we still did not avoid the war but we all created a generation that is now fighting this war gives battle to the enemy and protects and saves our independence, the sixth month of the war will be and we are independent, this is also a big plus of these 30 years of independence thank you very much yaroslav knyaziv , people's deputy of ukraine of the first sixth convocation and volodymyr tsibulko, people's deputy of the fourth convocation, poet, political scientist thank you for being with us thank you for joining me, i will meet you today at 19:15, you will be with the express and take care of yourself, it is very

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democratic state ukrainians understand more than ever what independence really is those who were deprived of freedom understand well what a great value this is. we will win and make such a state where ukrainians will not die because independence is a state that protects each of its citizens for more than 150 days without a day off the front line is more than 30 units of captured enemy equipment tankist yevhen is getting closer to victory every day and

every day he says i am not tired i am not tired of defending ukraine we are looking for 13-year-old andriy kadyrov i have already told the story of this boy in previous programs and now we have received important information from witnesses that i hope will speed up searching for a child, i would like to remind you that andriy disappeared in the village of rozdolya in kirovohrad oblast on july 21 at about 9 in the morning, as usual he went to the forest to break branches for the goats, but he never returned home, since then there has been no sign of him news please help to find 13 years old but looks 11-12 short around 1.40 m thin black dark gray eyes chipped front two teeth

please if anyone has seen or knows the location respond to ms. olga foster mother andria she told that she adopted a boy when he turned two years old, at first everything was simple, recently big problems started with the child, these moments are still three 14th hours and now you don't know where he tells the truth, where he deceives , manipulations and constant fabrications are half the trouble the main problem is that andrii had an obsessive idea about escaping and a nomadic

lifestyle . he ran away from the police more than once, well, the police always brought him, they somehow found people at once. well, somehow it got out , i think that these are all mistakes, these are the walls of children. if andriy was still 10 years old, he invented such stories, he managed to cross almost half of the region a hitchhiker imagines what he is capable of now at 13, that's why i assumed that the boy could be far beyond the territory of kirovohrad region and look what a photo we received from a witness from poltava. the boy who was seen by a man near a local store looks very similar to andriy kadyrov. i drove up to the station wagon and in the neighborhood, we have gardens there, there is one in poltava atb, uh, station wagon, and there are two boys. well, they were doing something: wiping the glass, wiping the headlights.