if we do not restore contact with mr. general now, we will wait for another guest, oleksandr musienko. he should be in touch, and i say once again that the leaders of these countries have discussed this issue and they are determined about what if russia uses if not the tactical use of nuclear weapons, then it will use the nuclear effect, this is the second direction and parrots, that is, the first mass attacks on ukraine. regarding the fact that if this happens, they will apply the fifth article of nato, consider the actions because of it. apparently, we are at such a limit because putin did not believe in many things, but he will receive in this

position, first of all, ukraine in order to protect its sovereignty and national integrity and on the part of the western countries, the nato countries that have paid off around ukraine in this opposition to the russian federation, so hmm, so you too. during this week, it will be clear whether he will take any actions related to this. this yes, he is in a difficult situation. and this will make his situation worse. we will shake him in 20 years. he has done a lot and something will still happen to him. maybe this will not stop him. i hope that he will not be able to do this in the near future. and the determination, first of all, of ukraine and our allies is of a very high level. well, let's hope that

if western pressure does not stop him, then a bullet will stop him sooner or later, well, this is the story of the end of many dictators and people who unleash war in such scales especially since the ball is a ball not a bullet, but hmm, this is a great religiosity that will lead to political death, and maybe not only. thank you, mr. generals, for the conversation. it was ihor romanenko, lieutenant general, deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine in 2006-2010, friends, we work immediately on several platforms on the air of the espresso tv channel on the espresso youtube channel also on the espresso facebook page if you watch us live please like us subscribe to our pages in social networks support the espresso tv channel well, next we have oleksandr musienko , director of the military research center on the air, oleksandr.

good day and good health to you. i congratulate you . good health, mr. oleksandr. tomorrow in mariupol, the occupiers are going to start the trial of ukrainian prisoners of war who defended the azov steel. they started to install cages there in order to bring our prisoners there, if the russians hold a show trial against the azov people in mariupol, any negotiations with russia will become impossible, said the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, we will listen to the president of the mass there is enough information, there are reports that in mariupol the decorations are being fed for an absolutely additional trial against ukrainian defenders against our soldiers who are captives of the occupiers so that the occupiers do not think to themselves that they do not

plan the reaction of our state will be absolutely clear. violation of all agreements, all international rules, all decorations will be set up, there will be bullying, this will be the line beyond which any negotiations are impossible, russia will cut itself off from there will be no more talks by our state. everything has been said. all partners of ukraine have been informed about what the terrorist state can prepare for this week. so, we saw how last week zelenskyi met with erdogan and guterres in lviv, and in particular, among other things, the president of turkey, erdagan, spoke about that a meeting between zelenskyi and putin in turkey is possible. then

erdogan, after visiting lviv and odesa, flew to putin to agree on something there, and now this is a court of law. what do you think, will it still happen the dialogue has been resumed, the diplomatic dialogue between the countries, i'm not talking between the presidents anymore, because we know the position of putin and the kremlin, that first, we need to work out some kind of negotiating base, and then the president's documents just come and get visas. well, i think that no more dialogue will be resumed moreover, i believe that with putin, under no circumstances, there will be no courtroom with others at all, and without it, no one will talk seriously anymore, because it seems to me more and more. now the world is convinced that there can be no negotiations with him about anything by him not with his closest entourage, that's why i think that by the way, the principles seem to me that today this is also the position of the ukrainian authorities because well, when

it is said that russia should withdraw its troops to de-occupy ukrainian territories, then you can sit down at the table. i think that it is clear russia is now doing this without armed pressure, without the fact that ukraine will press and it will hurt very much, they will not do it. therefore, this is also one of those conditions, therefore, i think that dialogue is simply impossible today, no matter how much the kremlin wants it, if they were not moaning now in russia about that it is necessary to talk about the ceasefire and so on. i think that the point of no return has been passed when there is nothing to talk about with them, so i think that this dialogue will not be resumed, by the way, post-pred of the russian federation gennady gateva of the un in geneva also believes that moscow does not see the possibility of ending

the war through diplomatic negotiations. does the russian federation say that these negotiations influenced the western countries, well, apparently they mean the meeting after the turkish negotiations between zelensky and johnson, when johnson flew to kyiv and they discussed, obviously, these proposals of the lviv federation, well, that is, i understand that there is no other way out than victory on the battlefield, now they don't see any other option, and neither russia nor ukraine, for us, i think for ukraine , there can be no other scenario because, well, you understand when you answer, it's not a matter of politics and it it is not a question that has grown even more than

a war, it is a question of the fact that russia and the current russian political regime led by putin have created a criminal group and they aim to implement this criminal group into life and quote the ukrainian people all the rhetoric that comes from the russian side and literally last week, there was confirmation once again even from diplomats from the representative of the russian permanent e-e about international organizations in vienna. before that, i want to remind you that we mentioned the azov prisoners of war . i want to remind you of a post in one of the social networks on the twitter of the russian embassy in britain, where they wrote that all ukrainian prisoners should be hanged. i am already silent about dozens of russian tv broadcasts where such deputies as zhuravlyov mocked russian propagandists and oligarchs like the malays talked about what the ukrainian people no, and the ukrainian people

must be destroyed within the framework of eleventhization, someone said that 2 million more should be killed, someone said that under such conditions, under such conditions, let's say, uh, under such a background, what things can be talked about language, this has already turned into politics and it has outgrown all kinds of things, this already concerns the question of survival in general and under such conditions of course , let’s say sit down at the negotiating table now. it seems to me that it is counterproductive if russia is ready to make concessions, withdraw troops, de-occupy territories, compensate for losses, which is now not very believable then yes, under other conditions, i don’t see any possibilities at all, especially when the initiative word step by step but passes to the ukrainian forces and when russia has not achieved any strategic goal outside of starting this war, they did not have not achieved any goal, they are now gradually more and more in a programmatic position, so there is no need to prevent them from losing definitively these days,

most of the leaders of european states, well , in particular, the baltic countries, say that it is necessary to limit the entry of russians with tourist visas so as not to give to them a schengen visa, well at least estonia has shown it very clearly and other countries are also talking about it, at the same time the minister of defense of the russian federation serhiy shaigust claims that it is practical to isolate russia from the world it is impossible, first of all, because it is one of the largest

nuclear states. on the territory of a country with advanced science, let's go to the good one. did you talk about the industrial complex? well, the story itself says that you made something quite complicated, in other words serhii sho iguk says that we have nuclear weapons, we should be reckoned with in some way and we will be considered in a different way, we don't have many weapons, we have nuclear weapons and we will continue to blackmail the whole world and we will change the rules of existence and is coexistence in this world where according to you is the limit when the russian federation will understand that what it is doing is umm immoral cynical and generally murderous in the literal sense of this word for

its neighbors or will this limit never be, i.e. they will uh constantly kill everyone shell to threaten this with a nuclear baton and talk about the fact that well, you accept us as we are. and you know , it's quite interesting that what began to appear so actively on the platforms, in particular, is this synchronization that was recorded after the anti-fascist congress that russia organized there this propaganda action was invited by some unknown representatives. well, they organized it and covered it in the media through their resources, and it caught my eye that for some reason putin did not take advantage of the opportunity to once again talk about the struggle between fascism and nazism denazification and so on and so on. he completely disappeared from the media after the cotton in the crimea.

the only thing he recorded was a speech on the occasion of the russian flag day - it was broadcast from the last day. so quite satisfied, apparently he is quite satisfied that in six months the russian army has not achieved noticeable successes and obviously has not achieved the goals that it sets and continues to bear losses, and all this causes uh, along with the death of the dun's daughter there are a lot of questions that are exactly the answer to your questions. what do they consist of? do you understand? it seems to me that the cultivation of aggression, the cultivation of lies, the cultivation of hatred that went on for years, maybe even decades, and spread in russian society, i mean hatred of ukrainians of other nations, the superior

neo-imperial attitude of stories about what russia is, that is what he said that his is a constant suggestion that they are a great power, everything is possible for them, unwritten rules, etc., that's all apparently these moral principles have become so blurred that they have remained in the minority somewhere. they may be present in someone, but the minority, on the other hand, we have to put our hope in. if we are talking about russia, then i am thinking about the self-preservation instinct of some of these so-called elites around putin who it may not suit them that they will begin to lose power will begin to lose assets will begin to lose and will have to change their usual way of life that their assets will be seized in the west they will not be able to go there their children are not there will be able to study and in general many other things , because uh, if there was a calculation at the beginning of putin and he obviously convinced everyone that the west would react

, no ukraine would fall in three days and we would again have everything zig without hands and we will all be promoting this topic for another 20 years with empire, i miscalculated in everything, and that is why i put more and more hope on some moral principles there and not on the fact that the idea of ​​humanism will suddenly take over there in twice in other cities . they will see that putin already is losing strength. he is not the kind of leader that is needed. this is a traditional thing that happened in russian history , secondly, when it starts to get quite painful around putin's elite, the special services and so on, who are used to making a lot of money, and now the current state of affairs is not theirs. suits you can count on that. and on some morality there. unfortunately, we don't have to talk. we know that local elections are to be held in the russian federation in september. in these days, when they are preparing for the elections, of

course, putin talks a lot about what they they want to get as a result of these elections, and literally just the other day putin said that a strong rear what does a reliable democratic political system that is developing mean ? we have chosen a democratic practical system. system, well, in general, it's very well, it's kind of delusional, and it's being replicated all over the world, not only on russians, because well, we're now seeing how authoritarian

states are trying to put it mildly to bend the whole of china to russia, north korea, and us and iran well, that is, we see that there is no democracy, no reliable democratic and political system , eh, can this democratic reliable political system, which putin is counting on, eh, well, show some unexpected results of the president in russia in september of this year, well, maybe if the system really was democratic, reliable and free, as putin says, it is possible and yes, and given that there is no such system, it is not worth counting on any changes due to elections, you see in russia, in russian history, this is how it turned out. we are not saying that it is bad or good, just these are the facts that in russian history it was so that practically

because of the elections, no issues were resolved , whether there was a change of power or some kind of peaceful transition to power, one way or another, it was accompanied by at least the smallest, small, but skirmishes, but somehow bloodshed from the smallest to the great or the terror of tsarist russia, these are frequent cases that have been observed since the end of the 19th century, that is, it all came down to the fact that some kind of peaceful democratic transition was simply impossible, and even today it seems to me that if this system is suddenly released and if putin said that well, let's go vote for those political forces there according to the opposition that you want, for example, although again, the majority of the opposition is not even allowed to participate in the elections, they will not even appear on the ballots because legislative or judicial restrictions imposed on them that do not give the opportunity to do this and take part

in the election process, but even if you imagine that this happened, for some reason it seems to me that the majority of people would go and traditionally put a small bag for those to the cossacks, she put it to that there the only russia is a family of communists, putin, all of them, and so on, that is, after all, russia is characterized by certain upheavals in history, and now, by the way, it is going through another upheaval. because putin made so many mistakes during his rule that it is definitely will lead to serious upheavals, and in russia itself, everything is leading to this. then uh, because of these upheavals, only then can some changes begin to take place. these are just such facts that are confirmed by historical parallels from russian history, another parallel that arises in our conversation and when we talk about russia, about democracy, about the future

of russia, obviously we have to talk about the temporarily occupied crimea, because until literally the beginning of august, russia was talking about the fact that this is such a reliable aircraft carrier, as they once said during of the soviet union, we know that there were 11 military airfields and a fairly powerful force, such a military force was stationed on the crimean peninsula, and then a part remained, or volodymyr horyskov told me when he was the minister of foreign affairs, he says that there were so many military units, not so many weapons at the time of distribution of the black sea fleet and of all these topics of conversation, when the black sea fleet should leave the peninsula, we were talking about no less than 7 years, that everything should be removed from there, but we see how this the aircraft carrier is no longer as formidable as it used to

look, we see attacks by ukrainian drones of the ukrainian armed forces and on military facilities located on the peninsula, military facilities of the occupiers according to you hmm, what is happening in crimea now, as they call it on social networks, it is cotton the harbinger of the liberation of the peninsula is it still hmm such an informational and psychological operation, a special operation with the help of drones , of course, of the ukrainian armed forces, so that in the end russia will understand that there is no such territory where ukrainians will not get, including the annexed crimea. i think that there is definitely an informational psychological operation, which really consists in

debunking the myths created again by russian propaganda that crimea is protected - it is an unsinkable aircraft carrier and other things that they spread, this is the first moment the second shows that russia is vulnerable. well, because we must say the next thing, we perfectly understand the russian imagination in russian historical propaganda narratives. well, what about sevastopol, which they constantly called the city of russian glory and constantly rewriting history and so on. this is probably for them, well, after sevastopol, probably only moscow and st. petersburg, this can be said without exaggeration because of the offensiveness and precisely because of that. are strikes mandatory in the occupied crimea ? uh, and those explosions that happened in dzhankoya in novofedorivka or in another near kerch, even eh, this is of

course quite a powerful and serious blow, we see how it affected the people who came to crimea from russia, who lives there, who was transported, who came rest there, how do they react? how do they flee from there, many people? well, besides, it is reputable because well, what about the image of a state that has such powerful air defense equipment, as if they are advertising the s400, for example, are you trying to sell it in india or turkey ? such strikes. well, it also has a military component, because, for example, the strike on the saka airfield near novofaderivka had a military purpose , because the planes of the naval aviation of the black sea fleet of russia were destroyed. attack aircraft and bombers that took off and struck, in particular, on ukrainian territory, there were also explosions and warehouses where, in principle

, it was established that there were rockets , jet artillery shells, rockets and the like , that is, they carry both military and informational and psychological, or can you call it prerequisite for the liberation of crimea. i think that it is not so simple immediately and not now, because it is clear that the occupied part of the kherson region and the zaporizhia region in the south must be liberated before that, but this such actions, of course, create the appropriate prerequisites because at first our military destroyed the nearby tels that were located from novaya kakhovka or under melitopol or we already know in the famous chernobaivka. through the kherson or zaporizhzhia regions therefore, it is complex but for a solution but of course it still

needs some time and of course of course these days we are worried about the future of our soldiers who are at the front and in general for civilians, because there are predictions about how the russian federation will behave these days, we know that tomorrow is the day of the national flag of ukraine, the day after tomorrow is independence day. equipment that was going to kyiv that was burned in the kyiv region in the chernihiv region and it's very by the way, it's going well, someone came up with it i think that you this day and this year it's a very revealing very correct parade and yet eh what to expect from the russian federation. i understand that it is

absolutely useless to predict the not quite adequate people who are the leaders of the russian federation. but the anger and hatred that now lives in russian society, that lives in the president of russia and in his entourage, it affects the whole world, how do you think it will develop events in the next few days in ukraine so that our viewers understand what to prepare for and what to expect actually well, you know, i think that during these months of war we should already be ready and understand what such as missile attacks that can increase , escalate from time to time, to know where the nearest bomb shelter and shelter are located, where to go, and when exactly we know of these escalations and sirens sound, that is, in principle, to know what to do

with suspicious persons and the like, which are also why that it seems to me that the risk of missile attacks is increasing. well, for example, in fact, today , the operational command of the south literally reported that they are ready to use 30 caliber missiles , the russian troops have brought their ships to chorne the sea has been ready for use there for 30 years, although , again, during these months, the air force also learned to shoot down more effectively. literally, in the previous two days, seven russian calibers were shot down, which had already been released in dnipropetrovsk region and odesa region. this is also an important decision. it is difficult to give a 100% result on downed missiles, but nevertheless they shoot down because of what russia can prepare, that they can prepare some meanness and treachery. it seems to me that it is

clear based on this danger and threats missile attacks are increasing both from the sea and from the territory of belarus and russia, because russia has closed the airspace for us these days, in particular, and the oblast region, before that they closed only the southern ones and prohibited flights, and here and now and further they went and flew additional planes to belarus the threats of missile attacks are increasing, and i also see that i think that the activities of permanent groups that may be planning some erasures or other actions may be increasing, so i think that they are warning about this. and based on that that they warn about this and understand the risks and dangers that may be that the air force and all defense and security forces are preparing to counter. and we all just need to understand that all the same rules that existed before this, whether regarding air

alarms or regarding vigilance, which should be it is necessary to forget about it again and report whether it is about suspicious persons or suspicious objects t remains for us the road as an indication of the future and after these days, and we simply need to believe in our armed forces, which have repeatedly demonstrated that despite any plans of the occupiers, they are capable of destroying them effectively, with faith in the armed forces of ukraine, we and we will finish our conversation. thank you, mr. oleksandr , for the conversation. well, friends, i will tell you that do not ignore the air warning signals, go to the bomb shelters when it is necessary, because you see the enemy mad these days, they do not like ukrainians

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