again, to forget about her and to report suspicious persons or suspicious objects, all this for us is an indication of the future and after these days, and we just need to believe in our armed forces, which have repeatedly demonstrated that despite any plans the occupiers, they are able to destroy them effectively, with faith in the armed forces of ukraine, we will finish our conversation. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation. this was oleksandr musienko, director of the center for military and legal studies. i wish you a happy independence day. take care and your relatives well, friends, i will tell you that do not ignore the air warning signals, go to the storage room when it is necessary, because you see the enemy is mad these days, they do not like ukrainians, they do not like our independence, they do not like our flag, and in general they dream that we do not exist in this world, but we were, are and will be. well, there will be an

espresso tv channel and a live broadcast. and now i want to tell you that subscribe to our social pages, learn more news from our resources , including the espresso tv website, our telethon continues i wish you all a good mood, we will meet you tomorrow at 13:00 bye everyone , some creatures are surprised by the toilet in the house and we from ukraine can insure cars, even if you are in the toilet hotline finance insurance, of course, online , dear ukraine, you know that everything will be with us it will be the way we want it, it will be everywhere, everything will

work everything will be blue and yellow everything will be and everyone will be at home in ukraine you will bloom and smile again, my dear, everything will be independence with a holiday like never before fear is natural, you do not choose to feel it or not, but it is only your choice, what to do with it, whether it will win or you will turn it into a righteous anger, anger that will ignite the heart and give strength to move forward, this fear we have something to lose, and therefore to defend at such an incredible cost, but great freedom is not every step we took today is a step to a happy future. each of us is here because we tamed the city, learned to

manage it, made it our ally, no matter how difficult it may be for us, but it will definitely not be embarrassing. i congratulate you. independence day of ukraine under the general name war for independence. this year, on the birthday of our country, exactly six months have passed since the day of the full-scale invasion of the russian federation on our territory. putin's troops thought that they would be able to occupy our country in three days. however, they did not succeed. we are still defending ourselves and all thanks to our defenders, thanks to the armed forces of ukraine, today we have the opportunity to have a

conversation with lesya litvinova, a well-known volunteer, public figure, founder of a charity fund who at one time helped internally displaced persons during the outbreak of the coronavirus infection, purchased oxygen concentrators and helped with various volunteer activities ms. lesya, i congratulate you good day, first of all, ms. lesya, now you are protecting our state, you are defending us all . what does independence mean to you? you know. once upon a time, a long time ago, a long time ago, i worked on television many years ago. i was a director, a good director, and we filmed

a documentary project about upa fighters and one of the heroes with whom we wrote a long interview told me that you don't understand what independence is, you didn't choose it, it was brought to you in the beak and you got it lose then i didn't understand what he was talking about, but it was first the maidan, then first the war, because the war didn't start now, it started 8 years ago, almost every day i remembered him and what he said about independence is that it is impossible to get a second one and you have to choose it, and now it is the price we all pay for the fact that we have the morning of february 24 this year, how did it

start for you? well, in fact, my morning started at night, because even from the evening, an old acquaintance of mine from that country, and whom we will not name aloud again, wrote to me the exact time when a rocket will fly ah ah we were watching a movie with my husband i say listen here a muscovite wrote that we will probably have a large-scale war he made a plan well, he laid down in bed and said well, i'm going to sleep because it's a war and i'll be tired a and he really fell asleep by the

time that was marked as time ch was sitting watching i was waiting for the news. will it happen or not? i didn't believe until the end that it would be like that when i really heard the first explosions and the first uh appeared on social networks, the war is swimming, the war is roaring, and so on. and i called my older children, they live separately with me, she said that they were going to ah and they should come to me at that time it seemed to me that this was the smartest thing that i could do in this life. a few years ago, i transferred an apartment in kyiv. we bought a house outside the city, a big house with a huge plot so that everyone it was convenient and it's cozy, it's not even a village, it's such a small

summer cottage, eh, i was sure that there would be no one there, no one needs him, he will not be on the main roads, it will be quiet. and it was a huge mistake , eh, but one of my friends found out about it later another daughter came with her husband and children and decided to go in another direction. my husband and i waited for everyone to gather and went to the fund because we understood that we would now be transporting doctors non-stop, and the children stayed at home . and the youngest child was one and a half years old at the time she still i fed her and

told her that we will return in the evening, sit down, everything will be fine and we left, we could not return in the evening because the last people who reached us were already in the office. they were at night and it was impossible to stop all this . my wonderful house was located near the dimer, the two nearest more or less large settlements are the dimerzavod on one side, the stomble on the other side , and the children remained under occupation, and when we 25 realized this, we gave the office key to klyucheva they took the passports of the executive director and went to the

military commissariat about that's how i ended up where i am now ms. lesya, you said first of all that the children remained in the occupation when you were able to take them away or maybe someone else was able to do it and what happened to your house then what did you say that he was there? no, he is there and now he is still there, a little bit. well, a little bit. it flew somewhere , but it didn’t touch anything vital . the children went out on their own and they spent almost three there weeks, and there was an agreement between the locals and the timurkas

who were stationed there that they would give the opportunity to beat at least some of the people, these were women, children, the bridge on demidiv had already been broken, they were walking by water, there was almost no communication when there was a connection, i told them everything will be fine, no one will touch you , i am not afraid of anything, our house is so strong, it is really strong, but they comforted me, they told me everything is fine, don't worry, we are playing here, there are no candles, there is nothing, there is no electricity, there is no gas, there is no there is no food because i never stocked up but somewhere the dogs pulled a roe deer that blew up

on something or was embedded and god knew his mother but they were divided, they were not alone in this cooperative there were other people eh and now a connection appears and they tell me i need to hurry to make a decision if you go, right now, eh, and you know how scary it is to be, you can't do anything eh. i say go, they say turn off the phones, they said not to take the phones with you because they will take them anyway, the connection disappears and in half an hour when i i know for sure that they are right now, they are appearing on all news feeds that they opened fire on people walking across the bridge through demidiv, and several people died there, my

goals uh, well, but it was, well, i can't convey to you what you feel at the same time, knowing that you, nika get , can't really do anything to us it's hard to even imagine what a mother of five children who can't do anything can feel, you can't imagine and no one can imagine and even now i can't imagine what all this really was the next day they went to my friends in lutsk and well, a lot spent some time there, now they are back in kyiv with their grandmother grandpa ah ah but i am considering the option of what might happen, we have to go from kyiv, despite the fact that they are one of the safest in the city of

kyiv now, it is a great happiness that your children managed to escape and we are very happy about that, of course, and happy from that everything is fine with them, they are safe now. tell me, as a mother, first of all , women have a maternal instinct to protect their children, but you 25 as far as i understand, in february, you decided to go to war, and this was your motivation to drive out the land invaders to protect you know the children, and first of all, it wasn't about the state , honestly, it was about my personal life and then about the state, because misha, well, there is nothing in the world that can be more expensive than them, i hope they know

this, was this decision for you more emotional at first or immediately conscious no, it was more emotional , you know, if they weren't there at the time and i would have had time to think about whether i was ready to take a weapon in my hands, i'm not a young person, i'm six years old, i'm not very strong health, i have quite big problems with my back and well, let's go to be honest, for ages yes, i was quite effective in my place where i was, and probably it would have been more useful for me if i had stayed in the fund and helped others

, including the army, but at the time when i made this decision it was the only true one for me. i would never have forgiven myself. if i had done something differently, your thoughts about the war and the reality that you have already seen in practice, and they were different. did they still match because i know that you are a director of documentary films by profession, you worked in this industry for many years, then for many years engaged in volunteer work and community activities, which you and i have repeatedly talked about, were you ready for the war, or what you saw there really struck you more than you expected, the war has been going on for eight years, i have already seen it, nothing something new for myself. i didn't learn about what was happening. she

became more aggressive, but this is a war that has been going on since the 14th year. nothing new is happening . do you think that ukraine was ready for what was happening, because really, the war has been going on for 8 years, but not we can always talk about the fact that we prepared enough, allocated enough funds for the armed forces of ukraine, so were we ready for a full-scale invasion as an army itself well, of course we were not ready ah at all levels i won't even comment what uh mmm, our leader did an investigation in time to build roads to the coast, remove outposts. and the rest is fine, but everyone understood that one day such a thing would happen, but

everyone gave themselves the opportunity mmm. put it somewhere far away, even those who lived through this war understand for many years, everyone knew that it would happen, but almost no one prepared among those whom i know personally, it was units a-a-a-a well, at the state level, you all know what happened at the state level, we were waiting for kebabs, if we are not talking about the army and about society in general, you have already noted that almost no one prepared and did not expect that a full-scale invasion would still happen, and despite the statements of our western partners and the development of other countries, still now, do you think our society understands

why russian aggression arose and what are the reasons the main factors of this are history and feedback, there is already such a consciousness among ukrainians about this, is n't it at all levels? listen, don't expect more from people than they can feel and think, and so on. - to others, but people are only people and there will always be those who don't care about what kind of power they live in, those who are unable to think wider than their garden here or there, a bench near the entrance because it's unreal in any society, it's unreal if everyone is like that everyone understood what was happening

as one studied history, all as one were military experts, it will not be like that, but society has grown up, grown up significantly literally in six months, we have to do with russians in general, not with military russians, but with civilian russians. and what do you support the thesis that a good good russian is a dead russian i believe that the main thing that we have to do is not to turn into them , this is a war on the territory, this is a war not of countries.

yes no, i am not ready to kill everyone, i am not ready to kill a person who came to my territory with a weapon, i have no doubts about what to do with her. but killing, for example, women, children, old people, not on their territory, is not about me and i hope never about me. i also hope that most people will be able to step over this black pain because of the huge hatred they have not for their sake they are not worth anything for their own sake otherwise if we become them they will win in any case even if we reach moscow or vladivostok and we

let's get there let's see what's for you by the way victory look if we're talking about the territory yes crimea is my donetsk my luhansk is mine i don't need anything extra this is my country it should be the way it was if we talk about our society i believe that everyone should draw huge conclusions ah and we must never allow that again there should be blood with crocodiles there a fence to the sky whatever

eh we should never be close again and as for our neighbor let's be honest two neighbors i would like to see how these countries will move, but on their own. thank you very much ms. lesya for your answers, for taking the time to defend our country and still giving us such an important interview. and with us was lesya litvinova, a volunteer, a public figure, the founder of a charity fund , and now a defender of ukraine

without ukraine, destroy the soviet union the union is impossible and this day has come and my father and mother could not believe their happiness we are also independent to declare ukraine an independent democratic state on august 24, 1991 ukrainians understand more than ever what independence really is those who was deprived of freedom, they understand very well what a great value it is. we will win and create such a state where ukrainians will not die because independence is a state that protects each of its citizens. i welcome

you on the espresso tv channel . as well as the fact that a full-scale war waged by russia against ukraine has been going on for six months, and today with us on this occasion , a politician, diplomat and former minister of foreign affairs of poland, as well as a great friend of ukraine, i would said radoslav sikorsky e-e good day mr. sikorsky good day wine ro to glory this year we celebrate the 31st anniversary of ukraine's independence poland was the first to recognize ukrainian independence, which we remember with gratitude i would like to ask you what does ukrainian

independence mean to you personally and what does it mean in general for poland , it is thought-provoking with the fact that free poland was the first country to recognize ukrainian independence, it is worth remembering that the referendum in which ukraine's independence was decided by donbass and crimea also spoke out in the light of the current russian lies, it looks very important for us poles, the independence of ukraine is the correction of the mistakes of the 17th century when it was not possible to bring about the polish-lithuanian-ukrainian union, if this initiative was successful, the history of our countries would probably go completely in another way, we would have created a powerful state in central europe and would have been able to repel russian imperialism even then . i hope that what failed in the 17th century

will succeed now in the european context, i.e. ukraine will become a member of the same federation as poland this time of the european union and i am very happy that you are now at least formally candidates for membership in the eu. we are also happy about this. we still have a long way to go, but we think that we will overcome it and be in the european family. you said that i will quote you did not make us orphans because you were never our father but rather a serial rapist and that is why we do not long for you if you try to repeat it again you will get a kick in the teeth for someone these words of yours then sounded something

radically and not diplomatically automatic, what was your response to lavrov's statement that nato apparently wants to occupy the countries that were freed after the collapse of the ussr, but now it seems that such countries of eastern europe as poland or the baltic countries better understand what russia is and the russians of ukraine as ukraine with the help of these countries had to explain to the rest of europe that it is necessary to speak with russia in its language and not in russian , but in the language of power, since russians only understand such a language in the language of the bush, or i only understand yenzik that way, first of all, i did not say this in in the sense that the countries were orphaned after the fall of the ussr, we believe just the opposite that they were liberated then. also,

i would like to say that you ukrainians not only give the enemy a good kick in the teeth, but you do it from your territory to the surprise and admiration of the whole world, it seems that those words were prophetic, and what to diplomacy, there have always been opinions that the way of expressing one's opinion should be adapted to the cognitive capabilities of the addressee of the statements. and it seems that russians receive exceptional statements of this kind. the new nato members also do not need to be warned about what russia is. ukraine began to build its statehood 100 years ago, which was destroyed by the bolsheviks. so you also do not need to explain it, instead, the west is physically more distant and feels safer

, because putin will not reach berlin and then paris and madrid but it seems to me that now everyone sees the intentions of putin, who is waging the last colonial war in europe. and the reason for ukraine's accession to nato was just a trick. he wants to restore the empire, this has already gone out of european fashion and directly violates the fundamental and was after two world wars, namely the ban on changing borders in europe by force, if you have problems with national minorities , you turn to the council of europe, which is governed by the convention on the protection of the rights of minorities, and you can achieve the implementation of that convention instead of bombing civilian objects of the city