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what is the problem, how did ukrainian diplomacy cope with it, because this is a very strong story on the eve of the war, well, the topic of swift has been heard since 2014, on the eve of the war. when we downloaded this package of sanctions, we were frankly told to forget about swift, this will never happen and european colleagues directly said that swift is a nuclear option, that is, it is a nuclear button. and in such a state of categorical rejection of this idea, we entered the war, and then , let's say, it became clear that none, and even at that moment, our european partners are not they wanted to cut russian banks off from theirs categorically already at the end of february yes yes already after february 24 well then even if the time was stretched i
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mean it is one day but in fact it is like a week and these are the first days of the hour so what will be the first package of sanctions, what will be the first so now the second thing is that in the second and there is no sitting down and there is no and it became clear that even this is not what is happening already in kyiv rockets are flying at residential buildings already in gostomel russians and europeans are sitting and looking at the ceiling when the question about the world comes up and just then i was in lviv and there was such a three-dimensional diplomacy at that time, that is, the president personally got involved in the communication of this issue and, speaking with european leaders, demanded this from them. andrii mak, through his channels of advisers on security issues of european leaders, also began to pump this topic, but the decision should have been approved at a meeting of the council of foreign ministers of the european union, that's why i remember being in lviv and
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i understood that we won't achieve anything with classical diplomacy here now and we have to go to a-bank, mr. or lost a classic, it's like a negotiation, it's a rational, rational discussion, that is, let's go, that's what it will mean, this is what it was, you know, there are moments when you absolutely feel that what is usually forbidden is now the only right thing , and you do this purely intuitively it wasn't me. somehow an in-depth analysis was calculated for several years ahead. i was just sitting in front of the screen, i understood that i was now being included in the meeting of the council of foreign ministers and i had to say something to them, and my stories there about 100 missiles well, the scale of the attack and all that doesn’t mean anything to them. well, i got involved then and i would
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just name every minister who was blocking them at that time. the disconnection of the first russian banks from swift is one of them. does not communicate with me well, we disconnected the first russian banks from the world in matters of arms supply, we also had to use such unconventional diplomacy in the first weeks, even in the first months with weapons. in fact, everything was also very difficult, not only with some countries, but i had to, but do you understand what the difference is when you speak at the council of ministers of european foreign affairs of the eu, all the ministers are sitting there and you single out one of them by name and say that you are bad people? i then asked what else do you need for
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everything to happen here, since people still need to be killed how much to destroy a bridge so that you finally give up your caution or fear of russia when you say this about the essence of everyone well, it is clear that it is unpleasant when you are scolded in the presence of respected people and you are also a minister to put it mildly, not the last european country and not even the penultimate one there, but one of the first two. well, the others too. that's why it's one ah yes in a two-way format. but it was endless. i was in germany, i had epic conversations when i drove to the front president by the way, in the context of promoting our application for membership in the eu, to obtain the status of a candidate for the eu, to go to germany and the netherlands, well, there are two most ardent skeptics in germany and there besides. and of course, besides that, we talked with them about weapons there in i was
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an epic conversation, but it was a conversation, if it was a delegation to a delegation. well, there was also a corps, the interlocutor, let's say, was losing his balance, the reds were there. there were a lot of emotions, but it was funny because one of the members of the delegation actually kept looking at me, that delegation kept looking at me, and when i said something that was unpleasant for them to hear but what was the truth he looked at me like that nodding his head like that everything is right well done you are saying everything right it was very funny because after that his own superiors convinced me that i am manipulating that everything is fine and that in fact germany supplies us with a lot of different weapons, yes, that is why weapons are generally that, dmytro, but what you say somehow debunks this halo of such solidity around diplomacy that these are intelligent people who sit down with arguments and convince each other on the way out from the most rational considerations and
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calculations, you talk about the fact that such things were done irrationally, if diplomacy were mathematics, then the world would look completely different in diplomacy, in principle, when we read analysts there which explain everything in depth, all the motivations, but i sometimes smile because it all doesn't really work so little. the subjective factor in diplomacy is extremely important if, for example, a person with the character and charisma of president zelenskyi was now at the head of ukraine then we had another diplomacy, that's 100%. uh, and that's why individual diplomacy plays a huge role, how do you enter into this conversation, how strong do you behave
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you say that they are cool, they sympathize with us, they support us but uh, they still start there, if the question is what will it be for my business, what will it be for my budget well, that's all the calculations and you can't, your task is to knock them out of it field because you have at stake the lives of your fellow citizens and the life of your country in the end, and therefore your task is not to sit down in front of him and say yes, forget about your budget, forget about your own national internal political arguments that hold you back and you must go completely into my field and accept my line of thinking argumentation that way it never works you have to build the conversation so that the person imperceptibly takes your beliefs as theirs and it doesn't always work in fact i don't want
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you to think here either superheroes sit and every conversation ends with victory but in the end we always turn out hello so i was in germany when again in the chancellor's office i had a conversation about eu membership and it was very cool. by the way, there was a conversation. i am very grateful for it because it was very sincere and i really understood. well, if only why the germans at that time were were against deeply understood this psychology against the psychology of the words no but at the end when we finished the conversation we said goodbye i tell him look now you are against but believe me we still get it and you will ask yourself the question yes and actually we why and in the end yes and it turned out that even if we do not press people directly in the conversations, who then history shows that we were still right, well, people who followed the first weeks and months
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of ukrainian foreign policy, yes, there were problems with weapons, there were problems with these negotiations, support, but, for example, there were no problems with supporting people who fled the war from ukraine , the eu opened its borders right away, as simple as it was to at least agree on this, i will honestly say that i will not exaggerate here. and then other countries, er, to open people in. for them, the war was such a shock that for europeans, er, in the matter of opening the doors, i honestly did not have to convince anyone to break the issue, it was only to fix this process because the citizens had to leave there. well, whoever grabbed what went with it, not all of them had documents, there were many such nuances, but not here, we
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did not break anyone, everyone really opened the door. behind the door on the continent, and we must thank everyone for this absolutely sincerely in your opinion, what is the secret? it is clear that it is such a humanitarian aspect to let people go so that they do not die . you understand that europe has experienced several migration crises in recent years, and more precisely, a huge migration crisis from the east, and constant discussions in the eu in general about who to let in and who not to let in, but here it's just real that all the doors are opening and millions of people are leaving. that's why the answer is actually to this question is the same as to the
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question of why ukraine is part of the european union and because we are one and the same we are the same and what politicians refused to recognize at the level of granting us the status of a candidate there the recognition of our future membership on a human level, they recognized that we are the same as them, that a ukrainian is the same as a pole as a frenchman as an irishman, that is, for all our european integration there is a deep common basis, this is the unity of people, culture, mentality, when it comes to migration let's say from other parts of the world then problems arise because there is no sense of this unity. and as for weapons, there are different reasons. first, let's praise those countries that have never in their modern history supplied weapons to a conflict zone
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there are many such countries, and they too, for example, sweden or finland or the netherlands, and they even changed the legislation to allow the supply of these weapons to ukraine or germany, which said that we would never give weapons, as a result, on the very first day of the war, they changed their position, that is, they have to thank you, well done, but then there is the question of how much to supply, and how long it should last, and where is the balance between our defense needs and the defense needs of ukraine, and this is where the procrastination begins, the problems begin with the exception of hungary and austria as a neutral country. currently, the supply of weapons to ukraine is not a taboo for any other european country, although it was so, but that is why the question is not that they are against.
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the question is that when they are for there are many different things , such as i said, the arguments of the discussions, and we always say to them, dear, well, you can afford the discussion procedure. we can't. several ukrainians will be killed by the russian cannon , this is what every day of your internal political discussion means for us, how and when to put in ukraine, uh, we are now approaching a moment when it was clear that things had to be pushed, diplomacy had to be pushed, weapons had to be pushed, well, this attitude we, as full-fledged europeans, also had to push there were things that they saw through, it is important that you did it as ukrainian diplomacy and all those responsible for it, there were things
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who left, as if by themselves, as if they were ukrainian refugees. but there were things that ukrainian diplomacy pushed and i don't have for myself, for example, answers and i want to get them now and from you. how did it end and did it end? this story is primarily security guarantees. i remember i like march-april and statements that nato does not accept us once nato does not accept us and it sounded like that for some, even as an insult to nato. they said that we will demand some kind of safe field where individual nato member countries and not only them will give security guarantees to ukraine and we will sign such a broad agreement with them, it was necessary. well, as a journalist, i was following reports that germany is ready to give its guarantees. france and great britain were talking and talking, but now the topic of security guarantees for ukraine somehow smoothly moved to the second plan , why is it not relevant anymore, or are we gone? well, ukraine
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is ready for what we want to get from them, why did it go away and vice versa? for example, the president now declares in an interview that only nato is our the biggest guarantor of security is obvious and it is our aspiration to enter there, what happened to these security guarantees, today the topic is alive and quite effectively engaged in by andrii yarmak, the head of the president's office, he is, by analogy with yarmak's foul group, which takes care of sanctions and very by the way, a cool mechanism turned out to be a- a very useful he created the yarmak group razmosana razmusa this is the former secretary general of nato and they are doing uh very important work which i would call so to give you a holistic picture yes this is the second phase of the struggle of the diplomatic struggle for security guarantees, i.e. the first phase was
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for our partners to agree with us that if they do not accept us into nato now, then between now and our membership in nato, ukraine cannot exist in a vacuum of security, and at this stage we managed to achieve that they accepted this logic, and there you heard public statements that yes, we are ready, we are ready to give a guarantee, i am ready to give guarantees, and i am ready to give guarantees, and here we are moving into the second phase, and what exactly are the guarantees, and how will it be written on paper, and how much in general, there will be these papers from each country or common to all, and this is the second phase - this is the objective, focused work of the yarmaka ranfors group together to find a good base, an intellectual base for the agreement of the parties, which will correspond to the interests of ukraine, because we understand that, first of all, our
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security in interests must be taken into account, therefore, if the first phase was noticeable because we pushed and said that we also had to convince everyone that it was necessary to work on it, because they did not enter this process very energetically, then this goal was achieved and here it was just the fair that led to such a titanic work of talking with the advisers of the leaders of other countries so that they understood our logic and where are we going ? quiet, such a titanic quiet planned work is going on to develop these guarantees and i assure you that it is happening with all the key countries what kind of guarantees would we like to receive , well, but the news doesn't get there because it's real , well, expert work now, where am i from somewhere?
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the sky seems to be the most relevant in april was the thesis of closery for ukraine the whole world we raised waves information policy in the people of culture what now well with this here is this action close the sky over ukraine war has begun russian planes are flying feel at home in ukrainian airspace there are two solutions fast and less fast fast definitely closed sky what does this mean in practice it means that nato planes enter nato countries enter the airspace of ukraine and when they see a russian military plane, well, in essence should it be shot down a-a was it necessary to download this topic absolutely necessary was it
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realistic at the time uh-uh no it wasn't but it allowed us to move on to the solution of the second longer issue okay if you are afraid of russia and i am absolutely convinced that only fear in front of russia prevented the nato countries from doing what i will now say in the final part of the answer to your questions. if you are afraid of russia and are not ready to close the sky, then give air defense, give an air defense system . rotorcraft repair part there are a lot of all kinds of nuances, but we needed to keep our air force afloat, and then, after talking about the closing of the sky and not getting
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it, the topic of air defense assistance to ukraine's air defense and anti- missile defense moved from its place and the actual maintenance of our military , air force and air forces was a different scenario. to patrol the ukrainian sky to guarantee the security of its eastern flank, they would have come up with something there, then there was a bigger situation, then any russian plane that shot down the invasion would have to shoot down a nato plane that it would see in ukrainian e-e in ukrainian
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airspace, and this is no longer a nato attack on russia - this is russia's attack on nato, i believe of course, this is all history, these are conditional things, but i believe that uh, russia would have been afraid , russia would not have gone for it, and we would have protected our sky if nato had taken this step preventively, but unfortunately, the strategy of our partners at that time was not preventive, but rather reactive. russia at that time, one time two three and we always told them that this strategy does not work, that this reactivity is yours, thank you, of course, but we are paying a terrible price for your reactivity, you are happy with you and about
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zaporizhzhia, the minister talked about it, but you still concentrate at these milestones for the past six months, one of them, boris johnson's arrival in kyiv on april 9 was unexpected, after which, as the ukrainians say, the bag got loose and everyone started going to kyiv, which is still under fire anyway, how did it happen, did boris johnson have to be persuaded or was it his initiative as the diplomats managed to convince the world leaders that it is possible to go to kyiv during the war. look, this is purely the merit of president zelensky and his personal relationship with boris johnson, with a person who understands what a political gesture is, and that's why it was not here in diplomats of some great work, this is a story that stuck together exclusively between president zelenskyi and prime minister johnson, uh, they really did have
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chemistry in relations during this time, and johnson well, he's like, well, he's a bright leader, he's already a fan of churchill, that is, he i thought he was sitting in his office on the old street and thought and to make a server winston churchill in my place he would have jumped on a plane and flown and actually that's what the fighter johnson did well but this is boris johnson and that his was already after him, and after him, well, what other comrades were embarrassed. well, johnson came. and we weaklings will go. we are not kidding. in fact, the rest, yes, the rest is already diplomatic work. again, there is the president, yarmak, the prime minister, too. connected there to the low level of visits, uh, diplomats all pulled and carried from different sides, it is very important. well, now you
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understand that for those who are leaders, who, let's say, at the beginning of the visit, i considered it some kind of exotic, then after visiting buchi irpen, the advisers after and if we are talking about early visits there after you do you see the capital half alive there? because there is nothing except the military. it was becoming a turning point. i saw such changes. i just know what kind of person he was a month ago, but he came to kyiv and was taken to bucha, and he was just really changing his attitude and accordingly its politics, well, kyiv has now become one of the centers of world politics, a magnet attracts attention to itself, er, i remember for many years there was such a popular thesis that
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ukraine is an object in world politics, not a subject, if we use this terminology now passed into a state of subjectivity and became a subject , you know, in ukraine there will always be someone who will convincingly prove that hmm ukraine was and will be an object of pawns on someone else's map if such people, god forbid, were given the opportunity to create foreign policy, then not there would be ukraine too, everyone who makes foreign policy a-a it follows from the fact that ukraine is a subject that knows how to win, that knows how to solve problems and not just create them for enemies and that helps others for me that is when i am her son for it was very important to me to make foreign policy so that not only we asked for help, but also we helped others
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when they needed it and fortunately from the first days there was full support of the president and when there were some disasters and troubles, ukraine always came to the rescue and that's all everyone remembered even now, during the war, i will give you the example of france, the fires, when we learned about it, we immediately offered them to send two of our fire-fighting planes that could take part in extinguishing these fires, the french were simply shocked in ukraine. there is a war in the country. they think how they can help us in solving our problems , but this is international relations, not only do you always take, but you also know how to give, in this case, unfortunately, we are running out of time, but we started with the definition of ukrainian diplomacy until
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february 24 and you said that it was the audacity of the diplomats , the word audacity defined it and what defines ukrainian diplomacy now, what word is it? well, i already answered, but war, war, everything is subject to the whole war, we will win the war, there will be another diplomacy, and as long as the war lasts, we will have a tough and definitely victorious military diplomacy. let it be so, mr. minister, thank you, thank you, it was the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba. my name is vadim karpyak, stay with us on august 23. kharkiv day, ukraine, not skoryna it was the war that changed us very much, we quickly learned to make decisions, put together
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