according to the video of this woman who was traveling from crimea and said that it was so difficult for her to leave because she was used to crimea because it was so soulful, do you think all the russians who came to crimea after 2014 were sincerely looking for warmth and with such human warmth from russia , will they all return to russia, and if there are any left, what should we do with them? see very briefly, i will try. when we returned after half a century of exile to our homeland, we did not need any of our homes, we did not disturb any of our families. who lived in our houses we left with the fact that they are innocent, that it was the soviet state that settled them, and now let them live in our houses, and it turned out that it is not all that simple, why to this point i am leading all those people who, after 2014, are

99.9% of russian citizens who settled in the occupied crimea, they were aware that they are settling on stolen land, that they will use someone else's property, resources, because these resources are our crimea, and therefore now to talk about what they say they are innocent and other human rights is not. this will not happen , they have broken the law, they have violated ukrainian legislation, they are complicit in an international humanitarian crime. they must return home to their homes, if they do not return to russia, we have legal mechanisms to use that will help them escape from the borders of ukraine, so thank you very much. let's move on. and then let's talk a little bit about our dear so far project of the

tax reform. it has already been called 10-10, since all key tax rates are proposed to be reduced. actually up to this level of 10%. such is desyatynna, and we will talk about this topic with mr. vasyl forman, doctor of economic sciences, deputy chairman of the nbu council , and andriy dligach, general director of the edvanchik group of economists, doctor of economic sciences, professor of taras shevchenko kyiv national university, actually, one of the words of the authors of this reform that we are talking about, which is proposed, gentlemen. we congratulate you. good day. yes, we see. i don't know. andrei, let's probably give you the floor right away . reform i understand that we all do not fully understand what the two are talking about. well, if it is possible . in a few words or a little more explain

what the essence of the rather radical changes that you are proposing is. and what do we expect from her from this one reforms, and if very briefly, we have significant problems with revenues to the state budget due to the fact that almost 40% of enterprises have not resumed their work, are almost stopped or completely stopped aa business expectations for this year this is approximately 50% of turnover from last year's indicators, but it remains the same also a large, significant part of the optimization in wage supplements, e.e., for payment of vat on other taxes. so, 8 years of attempts to carry out liberal reforms in the country failed, why? because the resistance of the corrupt gang connected with taxes and

customs is crazy . hryvnias now remain in this corruption cycle, i have to overcome it. we have been looking for various options for all these eight years, and in the end, we came to the conclusion that the best way is to simply remove the economic sense in the optimization. such a tax system that made it impossible, or rather made it ineffective, to optimize the payment of taxes, and this could become a new social contract between the state and business, and for this you need to reduce taxes, but this is not a mathematical reduction, it is actually a search for this model that maximizes revenues to the state budget, it is not easy mathematical reduction so e vat is halved to 10%, e labor taxes are almost four times reduced, although it is not actually 10%, it will be 10 + 3

13%. there is also a military collection and it is in the best version the replacement of the income tax with the capital tax in the impossibility of corruption in and discrete other negative consequences from the action of tax or optimization on the part of business eh okay, thank you, let 's now pass the floor to mr. vasyl p. vasyl, we know that there has already been a lot of kepsis, for example from the national bank which warned against making decisions that would reduce budget revenues and there is a fear that this reduction in the tax rate will accordingly reduce budget revenues. of revenues, well, it's up to you, in your opinion, is

this reform timely or in this form? it is very important to preserve the macro-economic and macro-financial stability of our state and for the national bank to at least take part in the monetization of the budget, well, in simple words, in printing money to finance budget expenditures from this side, and what could we do to spend at a minimum our completion, that is, so that they grow constantly and now, in essence, the question that is raised today is this, again, this is my personal point of view. i believe that tax reform is necessary in ukraine, the issue is very urgent and without it there is no successful future of our state. first, second, what i would like, uh, the reform should be based not only on the reduction of taxation, but also on the introduction, again, this is my personal point of view on progressive taxation rates, and it is clear that it is also necessary

simplify the administration of taxes as much as possible, that is, for how many years have we been talking about the fact that the tax department should become a service department there, did it become or not? well, as i once worked in business for many years, they said that there were very similar jobs in principle, fourth, that is, a lot of analysts today say that you there is a significant reduction in taxes, revenues to the budget, that is, i remember the example of georgia, then back in the first years of saakashvili's presidency, he also introduced tax reform, he was also talked about a lot that they will lose, but in fact, after a year or two , the budget received much more revenue from that tax reform, so i really hope that and when we will carry out tax reform, again, i am not talking now about the level of the tax rate there 10 10 or will there be a little more or will there be other taxes, i am simply saying that reform is needed in our state, approaches need to be changed, i remember once we did not have a bank in the 15th year

, in the 16th year we introduced a monetary credit policy, new infrastructure preparation i swim so that it is not a course, how much criticism was there and how much they carried out the improvement of the banking system, this is the same full genre, there were shouts from different stands and so on. reforms, the banking system reliably maintains financial defense, that is, what i am leading to is simply that the same is possible in this issue, that is, yes, this is the start of a discussion about what the reform should be, and then you need to sit down and listen to each side and really argumentation with compensators is a holiday, that is, because well, we can’t. we also understand that we are a warring state now. that is, we need to reliably maintain financial defense, we need revenue. that is, where will we get revenue, that is, so that it is clear or then there will be an appropriate result, that is, tax reform is all - still, this 10 10 will be

implemented. how will we close the holes in the budget? come on, i want to tell our viewers to lower the degree of opposition a little. the first reform does not mean that it will be implemented right now. this idea has been put forward now, so that we can discuss it and find joint solutions, not so that it will work from september 1, when will it work after the victory of ukraine or from january 1, this is a matter of discussion, this is the first point, the second point, the state collects less than half of what we need more than that a large part of taxes, as it is not surprising that the state pays itself. for example, the majority of the pension fund is financed by the state in one way or another from the state budget, which is collected from other taxes and such sorry, there are a lot of jokes in our strange economy.

we give benefits to the rich. we take away opportunities from those who would seek development. all this must be put in order. remove the benefits. equalize the vat levels . perform corruption. perform optimization. right now is the time to do it, will the gap in the state budget increase, the deficit, yes, it may increase in the first months and even the first year, but according to our calculations, according to the models that were made jointly by several economic teams together with the ministry of economy, it's not just that, it's not some kind of fiction, as our opponent is trying to do, and the tax authorities will now give it away. no, it 's a big job that was processed for many months , so the gap that can happen in a year is only

one percent compared to that money which ukraine is asking for assistance in the program of national national recovery 1% this is about 7.5 billion dollars, the gap that will be within the framework of this program is the only thing that the only thing that i will add, in particular, i will add a little criticism from serhiy fursa investment banker, also a well-known commentator on economic events, who here points to things like, for example, 15% is the lowest recommended value-added tax level in the european union . % on profit is uh, it's in j7 because they think that less means more risks arise, uh, corrupt withdrawal of capital, so what if you can comment on it very quickly. i'm very sorry that

serhiy doesn't read the documentation of the european union 112 of the eu directive clearly indicates that during transitional periods the vat rate can change for countries , moreover, many european countries and during covid and in other periods have different vat rates that reach zero three percent five percent eight percent as for example in poland, it is very strange that we take one figure. yes, there is indeed a mention that the recommended basic level of vat in the european union is lower than 15%. but that directive itself allows for change and allows for transition periods, it is enough for us to hide behind it, we have to go and negotiate with the european union, explain that the source of corruption is the tax system itself, and until we change the administration, it is impossible

to change it, because as long as there is an economic basis for corruption , the pickles in the bank will be salted very quickly, how many good people have sent tax returns and that they have managed to do something to do significantly, unfortunately, no. therefore, the economic essence of taxes in the country must be changed, the only thing i have to add here is that after all, the rate of 23% is the same as the poles write in another. for the majority of all er sales, er, that applies to 23%, and there are eight, there are five, but it is more like some kind of preferential rates, i repeat once again the european union in directive 112 allows for a transition period , which country may have other vat rates, sir vasyl, i can also add to our discussion that a study was conducted a few years ago. by the way, in european business associations against the problems that exist in our country, that is, that

require an immediate solution for the business climate and the problem of taxation, it was there and on in the first and third months, that is, what i am leading to is that in parallel with the tax reform, we clearly need to carry out a reform of the judicial law enforcement customs system, how important is it to us today? we need it for our country, well, this is very important. well, here the source will be very important. in fact , this is an example of sri lanka, which is talked about a lot. andriy, now we will give you a word about sri lanka. i am also ready to comment, but mr. panosel this it's absolutely true and we do it ourselves every month and business research is really the sixth or seventh position occupied by tax tax rates, you know why the answer is very simple because business has gotten used to the fact that 68% of enterprises optimize salaries from

salary taxes e.e. more than half submit from vat a large part of course, income tax is not a problem for business, i am an entrepreneur myself. i know how it happens in business, and therefore the question is the question of a new social contract, is the business ready to sign it? is the business honestly ready to pay taxes, 90% of entrepreneurs answer yes , since the last survey, up to 850 enterprises have been surveyed on this issue, so of course we need to change everything. but i repeat . corruption with the state budget and corruption in customs is the source, the financial source of the existence of corruption. therefore, until we remove these economic foundations, any administration from above will not change, first of all

the economic basis should be an example, therefore, privatization, therefore, transparently, and its development, therefore, tax reform, mr. vasyl, would you like to add something? look, i have worked in business for a long time, and i can say that i am in favor of tax reform with both hands, because the tax department has become a service service, because at one time there in a past life i experienced you mask-show, i just saw what was happening at the enterprise and saw how the arrangement was optimized, that is, the shadow economy was evaded. by the way, this is a consequence of what is happening today. indicators before the war, we had a shadow economy there, a change in the economy gave everyone a little more than 30% there. other experts gave figures up to 40%, that we have a shadow economy, this is a consequence of the fact that we have an inefficient tax system, so once again i am raising my hands for this reform, the question of the amount of taxes is again a question of discussion today, and it is possible to have a tough discussion because we

see that uh, well, well, well, 10 10, it does not find unequivocal support in society, but we need to prove why exactly 10 10 well, we for example, here is also an important question: if you look, for example, in almost all countries, there are free economic zones, are there er-er certain territories of priority development where there are tax incentives and, in principle, er-e ukraine has only recently started to adopt appropriate legislation and eh, which gave gives would give the opportunity to develop as a technoplaster, that is, eh, to create new enterprises, to import the latest technologies, news of equipment without - without taxation, to observe the age of payment for tax - tax on profit there during the period, accordingly, urgently, that is, these things are in other countries, that is, it is important here how it will fit into our model, because for me it is very important that the country be, well, attractive for investment after the war, that

capital go here, because today on it is a great pity if there is no war. that is, we simply see that very often the capital there built enterprises there, whether in poland or less so in neighboring countries, because there is an export credit agency or eximbank there, which finance very low from such an exhibition land is it provided for free or for rent, for example , for the appropriate term, or do i have to pay income tax there for 5 years, or for 5 years will there be zero vat on the equipment there, 0, that is, the infrastructure is free, that is, we really lost a lot in these things compared to the poles, or there by bulgarians or other regions by turkey, therefore it is strategically important in this direction for ukraine to transform after the war from a middle-class agrarian state into a high-tech one, that is, for me, as a representative citizen, it is very important. well, it seems to me that for what for us as well as for i don't know there for the media it is very important that this discussion has started that it is ongoing that it is going on even during the war uh with a relatively open ending and these are very

important things to me and it is very good that they are engaged in this people who are also from business, e.p. andriyovych, this is cool, who understand the needs of business and everything is moving. it seems to me that it is in the right direction, if i allow a small comment, so thank you very much, gentlemen, for taking part in this conversation. this conversation will of course last much longer . and i hope it will give us a very constructive, good result, which will primarily benefit ukraine and ukrainian business. vasyl furman , doctor of economic sciences, and andrii dligach , general director of 12 groups and an economist, helped us understand the tax reform. next, we will talk about who he killed the daughter of the arch, as if it was really all like the russians who quickly conducted an investigation and already know that the legs are growing from ukraine, uh, lieutenant general vasyl bohdan, a veteran of the foreign intelligence of ukraine, will be in touch with us to understand this

to all, mr. vasyl, good day to you. do you believe in this russian version, that it is like a woman from ukraine, who was a refugee, first went to poland with her daughter, and then somehow we got to russia there and took and planted explosives in dugynoy 's car. then from there through the pskov region she left for estonia with herself came to russia with her 12-year-old daughter ah and so she and the arcs on eh or that dugin did not let her live that she decided to do it glory to ukraine to the heroes of the hero first of all i i congratulate you on the holiday of the ukrainian state flag and wishes to all of us that he will finally return to all territories temporarily occupied by the enemy soon . secondly, the question is how obvious it is that it might

not be worth discussing it if it were not for the traditional policy of the terrorist putin regime aimed at disinforming its own society and the world community. - firstly and secondly, placing one's own guilt in one's own terrorist activities on the shoulders of the ukrainian side, of course, it is clear that this is clearly an action of the russian special services, that first of all it is of the federal security service. the handwriting is very obvious and understandable for a professional, and its purpose is as follows: firstly, to shift the blame to the ukrainian side, to the same azov , and to some individual participants, whose

courts or mariupol will meet tomorrow, and for in order to reinforce that after all this is a terrorist organization, let's shift the responsibility directly to this organization, a mythical woman was found somewhere and put it all on the shoulders of azov with the identification and identification of this woman and so continue and so on, we have already gone through this when the cards of the right sector in all situations that were beneficial to the russian side appeared to blame, of course , the ukrainian side. of armed aggression against ukraine, ambiguous processes are taking place, these are social and economic problems, and problems are related to the fact that part of the population

supports this war, part is already dissatisfied with this war, and because of the sharp drop in the standard of living, and part especially the political and oligarchic establishments are beginning to think about what will happen next. and they are beginning to be convinced that this war is absolutely hopeless for russia and that russia cannot win in it. well, the last aspect is that more and more there is a probability that the leading countries of the western world will recognize russia is a state sponsor of terrorism, and this will naturally bring with it the relevant this is that the kremlin and its special services in the form of the federal security service are beginning to look for those arguments and implement those

measures that would contribute to the partial whitewashing of the kremlin itself and the transfer of them to someone else, and another aspect that i did not ask is that the ultra-radical national-shonist forces belong to the category of those who are dissatisfied with this war, but dissatisfied in such a way that putin and his the regime is not taking enough measures to kill ukrainians, to intensify hostilities, and to elevate russia on the world stage as a key player, and we understand very well that the latter is exactly what this political force is and its support for ukraine to show its terrorist state and all the more so that under this and the courts in mariupol 24 and today russia cynically convenes the un security council in

order to accuse ukraine of shelling the zaporizhia nuclear power plant and secondly to put to sleep or limit the activities of the opposition as much as possible and make it governed by such in such a way that it does not interfere with the plans and intentions that the kremlin has in relation to ukraine and in relation to the world and in relation to the situation in ukraine, so it can be said unequivocally that this very goal with several of its components was pursued with the kremlin in order to carry out this action and in relation to this action. as you know, there are other conversations about the fact that during the elections in france the second and his daughter were apparently involved in the financing channels of maria lepen,

who is close to them in the spirit of their views on the world and those processes that are taking place in russia and france, and it seems that these funds of some had nothing to do with these ultra-radical forces somehow disappearing somewhere, and the suspicion fell primarily on dugin, and in his opinion, they do not exclude that this could also be a showdown in the environment of these political forces but no matter how it was, but the fact that it was planned and coordinated, organized and carried out by the special services of the russian federation , there is no doubt about this, and i, the vast majority of the world community, including our partners, are aware of this, because ukraine has not may not be

involved in any way because it is and it is not profitable for her, she does not need it and in ukraine there are other objects in the temporarily occupied territories on the front to which our special services and special forces must be involved and the armed forces of ukraine in general p. vasyl thank you very much for the exhaustive and complete analysis of this story , we have literally two minutes left. i would say not elegant and somehow so implausible, or is that the handwriting of the russian special services, on the one hand, on the other hand, it reminded me a lot of the story with pavel sheremet and his detonation in the center of kyiv by sheremet, it’s both nimtsov and others, you are completely right and the same the method was also applied to the characteristic how do

you know the colonel of the sbu and the general was slapped after his death by a military intelligence officer the handwriting is unambiguous and what does this say in the context of your questions ? just to name the disclosures that were made in europe and , er, in america, as a result of which 400, almost more than 400 personnel employees of the russian special services were removed from europe, therefore the handwriting is obvious, but he unequivocally proves that the decline in the professionalism of the russian special services, the bureaucracy is certain and the actions of such a contingent that they are capable of creatively processing those tasks that

are delegated by the kremlin to their own special services, of course. to reassure us in the context of effective countermeasures by the forces of our special services and intelligence to the subversive activities of the russian federation against ukraine and the intentions that they are trying to implement are so dirty and quite unprofessional operations in the professional world, you know, there is such a statement that this is a good job and there is a statement that this is not a good job, yes, this is just a bad job, to put it mildly, which is another proof of guilt