from the president's office, they tell her that it is impossible to create one, since it is certain that our opponents have a nuclear state and so far, unfortunately, we have not won. international institutions, first of all, the un and there is the security council and there is the russian federation. therefore, until we kick out the russian federation, nothing will change from there, but there are also regional formats, and first of all it is nato, that is, for us, if we let's talk about the real stakes of our security, it can be two options, or their combination, this is membership of the gna or uh and uh, it means that such an agreement was quickly made with the united states a nuclear state that would uh, let's say, guarantee our protection and including the use of nuclear weapons therefore, all these initiatives do not address such key problems, but i support them in a different

dimension . of security, actually through the territory of poland, the largest security assistance of the world goes, uh, these are not small in size, but they are garnet in size among their hearts, the baltic states support us and of course that our cooperation and integration , including society, are fundamental things. thank you, mr. oleksandr, we have to finish our program. thank you for the conversation. this was oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies, a diplomat. happy independence day. this was a verdict program. about serhiy rudenko i say goodbye to you until tomorrow until 20:00 until 13:00 i will have roman bezsmertny as a guest . goodbye, dear ukraine, you know that in our

country everything will be the way we want it, everything will be free everywhere everything will work everything will be blue - yellow everything will be and everyone will be at home, our ukraine will bloom and smile again everything will be native everything will be independence happy holiday like never before some creatures are not able to choose something else and we in ukraine choose everything even if it is insurance on hotline finance hotline finance insurance of course online february 24, the date that changed us, the date that

changed the world and now what interests us most is our victory, when we will defeat the enemy, how to predict the course of the war, the saturday political club program returns to the espresso airwaves to help understand the events and predict the consequences of what saturdays vitaly portnikov and maria gurska will be to discuss the most relevant issues in order to draw appropriate conclusions, you want to know how what is happening today will affect our tomorrow, see saturday 's political club, what saturdays, nespresso, our flag, lead us in battle victorious through the glitter of swords and smoke and death and blood until the resurrection, let our free man take you under his protection happy national flag day of ukraine i congratulate

all viewers of the espresso channel the 31st anniversary of ukraine's independence coincides with six months of the full-scale invasion of russia into our country these days we talk with famous ukrainians about our war of independence in different senses and dimensions of our lives. my interlocutor today is a novel by kostenko, a colonel of the sbu and a people's deputy of ukraine, who at the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia in ukraine is held in defense in the southern direction in the mykolaiv oblast p. roman, i congratulate you

. we are fighting a real war for independence, and for me it means the freedom of the ukrainian people, freedom from the russian piranha, this is the opportunity of each of our citizens to live as he wants. of the russian federation. i think that what is happening now in ukraine is the closest thing to independence . for its entire history, the centuries-old history of existence, therefore, history is now in our hands, and the struggle for independence is also in our hands, and i hope that our generation will see to the end of what our the ancestors of the large-scale invasion of the russian federation

on our land many centuries ago, you can already draw certain conclusions, to what extent, in your opinion, was ukraine ready for such a development of events that was not taken into account what were the mistakes, what conclusions should be drawn? i think that first of all it should be said that probably many people did not expect that we will meet this independence day in an independent state, and we are meeting it in an independent state . we are doing it now so that in the next year or after some time those people who are now under the purchased occupied territories will celebrate our independence with us, we are doing everything for this and i am sure that kherson and other cities that will then celebrate together with us at the expense of answering your question. what we did, you know, there are tactical issues, they are strategic.

maybe somewhere, the policy was wrong during independence. if we say strategic, it is necessary to go deeper into the roots of our ukrainian of culture, pay attention to our history. let's move away more radical from those russian narratives that they imposed on us, for example, the russian language, which in many regions, regions she stayed and many politicians even said that it is not bad to speak russian, but now we see that this is exactly the excuse that the russians use for that, one of the reasons to come to our land, learn more about their history and protect because the fact that she was insulted by the russians once again shows that they will use it again later, and i will say that we were probably not united enough around such

pro-ukrainian principles and that acquired not the shortcomings of those old politicians who were before those who were unable to rally the people and show them a goal and lead them in exactly these directions after the beginning of the invasion, you were in mykolaiv and now you just stay at this point, please tell me what has changed in the defense of the city so that it was like then and how it is now all the more, i remember that in march there were even shots where you captured russian spies, here are a few details before the defense of the city takes place. well, you know the question, what has changed in the defense of the city ? now there is a defense of the city and it is possible and there will still be an answer to your question. what you asked before that and what we did not finish. yes, when i came here to mykolaiv on february 27 or 28, i was here. there was no

defense of the city as such, it was held by the artillery of the army . were scattered in different directions, we did not have intelligence, who was going where, the main intelligence was from the local population, who helped, they said, and here is a column going, what units, what we did not know, you know, there was chaos, i think the russians , there was chaos after we them impressed their artillery well, i'll be honest that we also had chaos , such a leadership, then they began to bring order here, they began to build such a line of defense, we are talking about a clear line there, it's just a matter of posting troops somewhere, and the ground defense begins to work . and that was what at the beginning the enemy entered the city, we knocked him out of the city. he entered there, entered the airfields, entered the airport from there , he was also knocked out, and it is different now that there is now a line of defense and no water on the helmet, it passes clearly along well there

practically in my kherson mykolaiv region, this is despite the fact that the enemy was already in mykolaiv , now he is pushed back there for 20 or more kilometers in different directions. and in different ways, that is, you can answer your question, how is the defense different? then it was practically non-existent, but now it is and answering the question that was before this, what is the problem with this, that i believe that we were not fully prepared for defense at the time of the invasion, and speaking of kherson, when it was captured, and adding, uh, mykolaiv, that's my opinion what i see our matches well, then, of course, the question is, why were we not ready for defense? we have been fighting a war for 8 years. we understand that these directions in the south were threatening to different peoples. you and i have heard that we should prepare for defense. this direction is critical when it happens. these events , we actually understand that we were not ready . and this is how this understanding happened. well, someone

probably underestimated the situation, somewhere did not believe that such and such a full-scale invasion from the military and political leader i i will say that 90% of the military and political leadership who came to us at the committee said that i will not repeat them. they talked about the forces and means and convinced us that the enemy does not have strike groups now and they will not have a war in the near future. i won't say by surnames, it was coming, but it is the highest percentage, in fact, the leadership, that's why they said that there were no wars. therefore, in this training as such, i think there was no, i think that it was necessary to call up reservists, uh, at that time, it was necessary to withdraw the troops and take up the defense of that plan eh i think that we have not prepared and the fact that we are now keeping the enemy on that mine- on that eh bridgehead where he is now let's say so on the

administrative line of almost the kherson mykolaiv region - this it could have continued. let's say yes, that's what was kept. i call it military luck and underdevelopment. maybe somewhere, er, the russian troops also had a good reaction of our military commanders, generals, already generals, to the situation that developed. well, i absolutely agree with you conclusions, and now we are not even saying that we restrained the offensive with forms, we stabilized the front line in a certain way, and even now we are talking about the counteroffensive, which should take place in the south, although regarding the issue of the counteroffensive in the south, there are many questions, in particular there and the spectators there and of our citizens, when exactly will this happen, in your opinion, what should be the optimal strategy for the liberation of the south of the same kherson region, taking into account on the one hand the preservation of the lives of our soldiers and on the other hand

using certain technological advantages, what optimal strategies should the ukrainian side choose for such actions, the first for themselves should understand that we will never win by following the strategy, the main thing is to save life, well, this is reality, these are the realities that we must protect our lives, but in war there are no fools because if such a strategy is just ahead, all this is doom in the war we must understand that we are now in the war for independence in the bloodiest war since the end of the second world war according to some statistics of application artillery, it is even bigger, and the weapons are completely different, and the tanks are different, with different calibers, and the artillery and cruise missiles, so even sometimes you can’t compare them with the second world war, because, well, such weapons are used quite seriously uh, let's say so, uh, we must

understand that in this war, uh, we must uh, self- sacrifice and let's say our principles, well, not to give in to the russian federation and set ourselves the main goal of liberating our territory, but we also understand that russia is a resource country it is more massive, has the largest population, more mobilization resources, and here i agree with you. we must use modern, modernized evidence. i can talk a lot about drones, about radio-electronic warfare, about modern technologies, even there in aiming and using them in combat vehicles, so from my point of view of vision you know here, no matter how much technology is used, it is good, but the basis of this war is still artillery and missile systems of salvo fire. i guess i will compare it like this

80% of this war is because everyone was preparing for modern wars, building robots, talking about space troops, and the war showed that modernity is what 's next, rockets, we need to build rockets, and if we have them, we will... we will be able to strike at the bodies of the russian army, it will be good, but this is a perspective, what is needed now is artillery and equipment specifically for the offensive because, well, since we did not have infantry there, they say 700,000, maybe 800,000 mobilized in in this war - it does not play a very big role because i always give examples of where i witnessed such things from our side and from the enemy's side when one tank t-64 t 90 and 72 and even a t-62 e-e in which the crew is three people e- it can hold back for a few days. excuse me

, a battalion in which there are 500 people and the wounded are walking in this battalion. there are dead people in this battalion. there is a depressed moral and psychological state in this battalion, so when we talk about people, there are three people and 500, and when there is no power and means to offend him, that's such a problem. that's why we for victory. especially here in the south, we need to provide these people with our equipment, then our losses will decrease and there will be more hope for the recapture of the territory, but there is one more important point regarding the equipment, of course , i can't tell much here, especially that the air is all the same to the holiday eh yes holiday yes, here, if you know these soldiers on weekdays, you are completely immersed in them. there are many problematic issues that you would not like. yes, in order for our people to see , people should know that we fight and that's all there is to it the issues that we have to solve are not enough,

sometimes they are pleasant, but necessary. therefore, when returning, it is necessary to have the training of the crews and the correct motivation of the crews to defend their country, and this is also the merit of the commanders of our military and political leadership, which should motivate soldiers to fight for their country, help them, well and the ukrainian people, who must support the entire ukrainian people, must understand that, without exception, that there is now a war for independence, those who are in the country are helping those who left and are behind border this is our country and we are now a historic moment if we lose it you will be exiles for the rest of your life somewhere at the head of the territory and you will be haunted by the fact that you surrendered your country so we must all fight together you earn money there help economically volunteers help here ukrainian people supports morally, we are soldiers, we are politicians, we will fight on the battlefields in order for ukraine to be a subject in the world and ukraine to be

independent, you mentioned about weapons. can we say that the arrival of foreign military aid really changes the situation on the battlefield using the example of your area of ​​responsibility , are there any signs that it really allows you to stabilize the situation? i'll explain more with one example. i gave an interview. maybe two months ago, maybe three. i don't remember when in the beginning russia had an absolute advantage in artillery. i gave examples 70x30 80 by 20 the masses prevailed in hitting the gentlemen, and it was quite such a long period, a long period of time. and after heimer, there were exactly the hits that were mentioned from the extensive information on

the territory of kakhovka, e.e., novoi kakhovka hundred brylivka , their railway tracks were broken, there was a violation antoniv bridge yes, it still has traffic capacity there, but it is not the same as it was before, these directions were hit here on the battlefield . in the trenches, the soldiers saw that the density of fire really decreased. and in some directions, we even took the initiative in their own hands with the help of system fire and with the help of the e-e weapons of our partners, which is more accurate, it does not need such a mass impression, which puts a mass there, puts civilian objects and civilians at risk, and if the russians need it, the artillery was able to make there is a stop shot to hit the object here, it takes two or three and the object is impressed, so it is really this weapon, it helped to stabilize the situation a little, and now we have

artillery parity, shall i say, and other than some directions. we even have an initiative, but it is not due to the mass of weapons, but due to the correct management and accurate, precise work of the crews of these guns. it is interesting in one of these interviews, i don't know when exactly you talked about it, but you said a phrase about what at the end of the 22nd year, ukraine, taking into account those forces and means, will not be able to complete this active hot phase of the war. in your opinion, what are the forecasts based on the current point from the end of the hot power, or is it possible to form any time limits for today and it is up to our citizens to say something about it, do you understand here? the question is what is this hot phase? it only partially depends on us. the question is what does it mean to depend and finish the hot

phase if the enemy will continue to press on us and we have to fight him off. and here the situation is such that if we just want to reduce the intensity, then we will have to go on the defensive . to this phase, let's say a decrease in intensity, because we need weapons and constantly inflict losses on the enemy, constantly knock down his offensive potential, and this is done at the expense of artillery, due to the destruction of his sometimes military objects, and only that's what we can do, because well, what about the weapons that we have now? well, from my point of view, we can impose the initiative on them locally, everything else. it's us, what we do is that we react to the initiative of the enemy, returning to the fact that i said if the enemy

will recruit and we will continue to conduct military operations as we are conducting we will only need to react to them in this way what we are doing now from my point of view eh now our command must look for places where we can impose our initiative on the enemy to make our strikes er, to look for places where the enemy is weakest or not for us, it is most profitable and to force the enemy to react to our actions, it is either the transfer of artillery, the removal of some reserves from the main directions and, er, the closing of these directions where we can make strikes. well, the main thing of course i see e for the offensive is a very promising city right here in the direction of kherson - it is a right-hand bridgehead, of course if we develop a serious operation here, if we take them here and there in an operational or operational-tactical environment, of course from my point of view it is possible i used to do it before, but if i see this opportunity

, of course, the supreme commander-in-chief should make the decision. to speak for our prisoners, including azov , because i am sure that they did not talk about preserving their lives, the russians will only hand them over when they are pinned to the wall, just like that, they will not hand them over because they came here and talked about denatification, they told that azov is a terrorist organization and giving them to us is for them a very serious loss within the country, their authority, so we can take them away only at the first. they are somewhere against the wall. for me, the right bank of the dnieper is an ideal place. but for this, it is necessary a serious military commander who will be able to carry out this operation, is it possible that the battle for kherson region is

the most decisive battle with the russian federation, in particular, such conclusions are drawn by a number of analytical structures, are such conclusions not too exaggerated in view of the importance of this or that region, your assessment of the designation of the battle it is quite important for kherson oblast. i think from a moral point of view, because it is in fact one oblast city that was captured on the 24th oblast center from february 24th they already started building there the kherson people's republic is being prepared to make the referent the administrative borders, and from my point of view, knocking them out of this bridgehead, if you look at the map and this bridgehead is the only place where they are located only on the right side of the dnieper, everything else is on the left, and if we knock them out there, e- for them it will also be a strong blow in the eyes of the world community that ukraine recaptured the

south and part of the south back, freed its territory and inflicted, say, a defeat on the russian federation, for this you need a few to take steps in addition to the accumulation of equipment, it is necessary to destroy their ammunition delivery routes, it is necessary to destroy their reserves, to make preparations, there are, let's say, steps that need to be taken. but if this is done, it will really be a blow to the russian federation, not only from the military from the point of view of their international positioning at the end of our conversation, i would like to ask such a general question. what does the victory of the return of all the territories of ukraine, which were written in our constitution, mean to you? this is for me.

victory if i said earlier, let's start by february 24, and then we will talk, and i now see that russia is applying theoretical tactics to us. yes, they are already starting to simply destroy the ukrainian people, and we must understand what for us is the national idea for the coming years and i am sure that this will not end in a year, even they will try to come to some agreements now, leave something for us, give something , trade, but the national idea for us is the return of all territories, and we must understand that there will be little diplomacy in this, it is a war, a war, the russian federation conducts its diplomacy not only from a position of strength, and we, as ladies, are a civilized people who want to live with democracy, want to live in a civil society, but we must respond to russia using the methods that it applies to us and we must understand that for us the future is the

rebuilding of a strong army, the construction of a strong special service, we must have a hardened society that will understand that it will live in the coming years in conditions of war or in conditions of threat wars and uh, we have to build this society already like this, and this applies to the entire rib and industrial complex, even our economy, our cultural life, now everyone must accept it, no matter what anyone says, someone may be waiting for victory quickly, there can only be a truce but this is a truce that can be imposed on russia in order to take a breath and move on. we must live for the final victory when all our lands will return to us and we will have the strength to defend them in the future. thank you for this important conversation and i will remind our viewers that he was a real defender of ukraine, people's deputy, colonel of the sbu, roman kostenko

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thursday at 1:00 p.m. repeat at 9:30 p.m. greetings friends my name is anna valevska you are watching the espresso channel a channel with a ukrainian view of the world i am yours for this thank you and we continue the series interview for the independence day of ukraine, today we will talk with the people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyzytskyi, mr. mykola, i congratulate you, i congratulate you on the 31st anniversary of independence, and today it just so happened that it has been six months since the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, and apparently we are all now we reevaluate this word independence, because right now we are fighting and ukrainians are dying for it. what

is independence for you right now, well, ukrainians have not only started dying for independence now, because hetman mazepa also fought for independence, his army fought for independence, and russian princes before that i.e. ukrainians fought for independence and people who died in the holodomor died for independence and ukrainian dissidents sat in prisons for independence and stus died for independence, therefore independence - this is the most the embodiment of the will of the people of any nation, the ukrainian people, like all other nations, have the right to their own state and independence, and independence must always be fought for. this struggle lasted for a very long time, but now, as there was once such an anecdote, they say , "we made it to the finals, so we reached the final and i am convinced that in this final we will win and create a state where ukrainians will not