of the european union, but we can already implement our internal interests, internal priorities are naturally synchronized with the european union for the benefit of our citizens. moreover, we have a lot of issues with forcibly displaced persons, including those on the territory of the persian union and their interests. it is also necessary it is very important to protect, it is also necessary to return them . we will come back to him about medi. since we started in such a way that we would then finish the discussion on a different situation, well, actually, in the coming weeks, we already expect to vote in the first you know, we are finally pushing this heavy stone. because in fact three convocations of the verkhovna rada could not adopt this law. why? because there is a lot of private interest in the media, remember what was the opposition to the law on oligarchs and when the european commission gave this point as mandatory for of european integration, it was indicated that this should be done so that there is no influence of

private interest on the editorial policy on the information landscape eh and eh well, let's call things by their names eh, these are very interconnected things and e actually stands in us several tasks at the same time, this is a directive of the european union, that is, synchronization with their legislation, we will have the most up-to-date norms for protecting, for example, children from harmful content, this is all included in these conditions of the common space, in fact, to have the same rules for different countries we want it to be like in the european union, by the way, we have immediate access to certain funds for journalists and the media, this is a creative europe without this law, they simply will not exist to give these grants, and this is an opportunity for development, especially in such a difficult time when there is no

advertising market, in fact, when it has simply decreased by 90%, and what our respected expert said about it - this is countermeasures against russia, there is a separate section we certainly hope that such restrictions are only for the duration of the war with russia. then, well , this and the ninth chapter will not apply, specifically about countering the aggressor country and harmful influence, but let's also be honest, if it were not for the sanctions of the national security council , if it were not for the determination of the president when they closed everything these russian channels are in fact informational errors ah well, we would also follow this and simply observe what was not done now. yes, when during a full-scale invasion, but if we had the appropriate legislation, if the regulator had the necessary and yes mechanism, then well we would not allow such a situation in the information space

, that is why we are also solving the issues of european integration and information security, by the way, information security is written in the constitution how are all the ukrainian people doing and who will check later when, for example, someone wants to get a license , how will all these threads be tracked, where do they lead to which final beneficiary, and there must be a transparent financial structure of ownership, this is also a requirement of the european commission so that people understand well , here, of course, there are different requirements for different types of media, for example, television it is the most valuable, it has a radio frequency resource, er, that is, it is actually, well, you know, minerals, which belong to all the people. yes, it is a radio frequency resource, too. well, it actually belongs to the people and to the state, because the state receives funds for this, but it cannot simply be handed over to anyone, it must be indicated in the property structure who are the owners. if there are russians there, then no license. well,

these people do not receive a license, and then it can be treason to check whether or not there is any changes because someone bought someone sold and so on many times ok there is a person who is not a citizen of the russian federation but we know very well that there are agents of influence that you can find people here who will work. therefore, well, the content is actually monitored if the site the channel is starting to show, it means that there is a civil war here, for example, it is starting to say in ukraine, this is a reason for us to speak already after receiving a license, and here it is precisely the preventive moment that is important, here we also have to accept the rules that are in effect for regulators of other countries and another very important aspect, because there are certain discussions that the internet is not regulated at all. that is, we will close - we want to say that we will close approximately a third of the entire information space, eyes, do what you want there, you know that

i compare how different cars drive on the street, and they say, let's get electric cars. they won't follow the traffic rules, because they are, well, modern new ones, they don't need to be regulated, and there are also issues with different types of moments, but for example, online registration, it will not necessarily be there there are certain principles, certain advantages of peneft, which will be received online by the resource upon official registration, but it is not, it is not mandatory, i will remind you, i apologize, i will remind you that we are with us, hryhoriy quail , an international conflict expert, please contact hryhoriyu, will he be able to the law to regulate the internet is what ms. kravchuk is talking about now to the example of the telegram channel, which has also become a kind of media with an audience of millions. and this is a big problem, especially in the field of information security, and that's why i think that the new law should also prescribe certain

powers bodies that are responsible for national security, information security is precisely a part of national security, and there should still be some attention or certain powers given to the national security and defense council. do you remember how much criticism was addressed to the national security and defense council that it violates the legislation and so on. when the pro-kremlin tv channels were closed, but thanks to the national security council, we managed to stop this information invasion, so definitely, as for the information sphere, the criteria must be clearly identified here where do threats arise in the field of information security, who should specifically respond to this? in principle, i absolutely share the position that pony evgenia said, but still

, in continuation, i would like to say about prevention, which you did not mention, probably will not be enough to give additional powers, in my opinion, because it is really a security aspect. it is now during martial law and after the war in ukraine, after our victory, which i have absolutely no doubt will play a very serious role that's why it is necessary to give me additional powers, it is the law enforcement agencies within the framework of their operational activities, because simple monitoring of property finance of the financial component of the registers i agree, it is not always possible to find on sorry for the slang, but russian canned goods that can buy out this or that channel, this or that media resource seems to not broadcast a pro-ukrainian position at a certain time, but in fact there are

pro-russian owners who at any moment will be able to implement a pro-russian agenda i absolutely share the position that the issue of information security is an important element of security as a whole, and we must, among other things, very resolutely react preventively to such and such possible pro-russian traces in the information space ukraine i would just like to finish the topic about social networks. and it is necessary to understand that social networks are platforms of shared access, they are not the residence of ukraine, neither facebook, nor youtube, nor telegram are registered in ukraine, therefore, somehow , some such laws can be written that will be able to separate channels there i don't know according to our wish to close it, no, this is not possible, because the administration of the telegram channel is in general, it is not clear where you can write to them, as a regulator, you can

contact us, we have such problems, but here telegram will be the most difficult and narrow place because well, in fact, the law enforcement officers correspond with them there on all these drug bookmarks, and well, they close them all not much, what can we talk about in general? some of these. therefore, you have to be very careful, and here it is also important . vigilance of people already exists, you know these lists, which telegram channels are maintained by the fsb , well, all of them, all disinformation centers about them said simply that a person should also understand that well, he should well, when he consumes this content, uh, divide by 125, you understand that it is written somewhere there on lubyanka, agree with panigenia, prevention. this includes, yes, it is only then that we begin to solve everything with the sites, talk about this low-quality, pro-russian content, but first of all, the special services must have legal

authority to track the beneficiaries and do the necessary things for us operative actions and accumulate material so that later, yes, what does the law say about this ? from this, the site should not, well, actually violate the law in the context of what is prohibited, hmm, show this topic and move on, then literally 30 seconds. i ask everyone for an answer. we are talking about independence, european values , and the fight against aggression in this it's time to find this middle ground so that we can feel independence in the network. let's say it was european values, but we kept the defense in the information direction, mrs. yevhenii, we'll start with you. so, in general, these are all the admission criteria

to the european union, not knowing them according to the copenhagen criteria, so there is freedom of speech as a value, and we have already shown in two maidans that for ukrainians, freedom of choice, freedom of speech is a very important value, and again, it is there in certain conventions - and the only exception is when the state can intervene in this regulation if it contains a danger for our society, well, there are different types of calls for the overthrow of the constitutional system and so on, that is, there is democracy - this is actually about uh responsibility is also not everything, permissibility is when you define the absolutely normal frameworks of a civilized society, you get them but again, uh, in well, you can uh, criticize it there, it's not prohibited anywhere in this law,

so what there should not be criticism on the contrary, and in the fourth article, in my opinion, it is written that censorship is prohibited in ukraine. but again, we do not want such a situation when the owner, the rich owner, decides his private interests at the expense of his tv channel or media. there were a preference in politics so that they do not adopt some law on increasing taxes and so on, please be brief, very brief, look, i want to thank you for this, because our conversation today is not only about slogans, yes, we communicate, but we have a really high level of discussion problems and we are looking for ways out, it will even give some debatable moments on the initiative. and really this freedom is, first of all, about the values ​​we unraveled and, of course, the right to choose, for which we are now fighting with russia in

including the federation, yes i agree with mrs. yevgenia, no one forbids a person to use this or that social network to participate in any debates there or to watch any information sources but when these sources really call for the overthrow of the constitutional system and when they work to the special services, including the aggressor, the aggressor state, then ukraine must clearly understand and, preferably, direct preventive responses to such things, hryhoriy perepelitsa, to you, too, i am asking the same question, yes, of course we we must adhere to the kompengai criteria and above all freedom of speech in the media, but we must not remember at the same time that the poor people wrote how many criteria were written for peacetime and from now on, when the implementation of these criteria comes into conflict with

the interests of our national security, the priority must be given to the interests of security, because we have seen many cases when correspondents reported the content of hostilities from military enterprises, and this posed a huge threat to our national security, so i emphasize once again that the national security council and other law enforcement bodies, we are not talking about censorship here, but they should clearly monitor this situation and have the authority to neutralize such and such threats, thank you, we are moving on, in the parliament , committees on european integration of ukraine will be created by the end of august, the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, ruslan stefanchuk, stated this in the parliament will determine how many directives need to be implemented in order for ukraine to receive another yes from the european union. almost fifty draft laws within the framework

of european integration are among the main recommendations of the eu to ukraine regarding the application to adopt a draft law draft laws on the competitive selection of judges of the constitutional court on the appointment of members of the supreme council of justice by the parliament and what to pass draft laws on the media and national minorities ms. evgenia there are such draft laws that provide for changes to the constitution but well, we know that as long as the country is under martial law, it is not possible to change the basic law, but how will we have time to reform here? the constitutional court without changing the constitution. and this is all related to the fact that we have to meet deadlines that are self-imposed. well, in fact, none of the laws that include all the points change the constitution, so it is absolutely realistic to vote them all in the verkhovna rada, so when some politicians there will say no, we don't want it, they just don't want to vote for some other reasons regarding the constitutional

court, it's a draft law already registered, i think we'll even be able to pass it in the coming weeks to the first read to vote, in fact, all draft laws are registered except for national minorities or communities, as they used to be called. there really is still an end to the discussions in the form. i think it is also a little secret, because there is a question: how should russia act during the war? did not take advantage, well, in fact, it did not start influencing from the inside, telling that we will protect the russian minority or the community in the hospital of ukraine. but again, if you read about, well, there are certain criteria, then there is such a point it is interesting that this is a national community or a minority that lives on the territory of a sovereign sovereign state. it supports and should maintain good, well , good relations with, well, in fact, the country and the state, which

is the mother country, that is, even the ethnic russians who live in ukraine are called here, uh, they want to close and to fly to another country from this russia from this neighbor does not have any kind of good-neighborly normal uh-uh relations because of that well, i think that certain formulas of some kind will be found and really this is one of the uh there criteria again from those of copenhagen itself, where the minority should also have their rights protected, well, in terms of cultural needs. but again, every country that adopts this or that legislation adapts it to its own situation, well , we have to do that, and about, for example, the vrp. we already voted last session of the verkhovna rada the council of its members has already provided oleksia to the supreme council of justice. do you see any obstacles for

ukraine to adopt all the necessary laws and succeed in all reforms? i do not see any obstacles. as a lawyer, i am also ready to give you this expertise. i agree, i am divided into the point of view of yevheniya, yevheniya, there is no need at all among these seven requirements for the implementation of any of them in the constitution of ukraine, moreover, as for me , i will say now. a very good story to implement in the test of the constitution, for this there is any possibility at the level under the laws of ukraine, and the constitution should have a more established systemic character, despite everything that i share, i support the path of european integration there and the way of ukraine dynamo, as a lawyer, i absolutely do not share what the previous government did when they

integrated these aspirations not in the constitution of ukraine, clearly enshrining the way in a specific institution, the way of the constitution does not exist and contain the directions of ukraine's entry into the institution, it should be the desire for, so to speak, the desire is no more for the declaration, that's why, of course, this is true in its essence, but unfortunately for the past government, let's put it this way, ukraine has declared a lot and even contributed a lot to the constitution, but in essence i was doing little, but now we are doing more and will do much more. i am deeply convinced of this and without changes in the constitution of ukraine and i am sure that those uh, let's say the terms set by our european partners and the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, so that you all these uh- the verkhovna rada and the cabinet of ministers will fulfill the requirements before winter. i think they will do it without any problems. well, let

’s see, we will reach a good civilized power. so when one change of government does not affect the essential constitution. by the way, the criteria for europeans are presented. -e institution as i am like that, and when you know, the names of the ministers change, well, actually, this does not mean that the ministry has to be restructured in a different way, because there are certain programs that are long-term, absolutely because there are. this is a completely different deep conversation, i will remind you that there is also a fifth participant in our discussion, as mr. oleksiy said, it is very, very qualitatively thematic. the situation when the state in this case ukraine

is trying to integrate into the european union in nato at the same time defending itself from its eastern neighbor from its aggression oh yes, this situation is quite unique because until now we have seen european countries joining the european union and nato peaceful path, the uniqueness of our situation is that we defend the values ​​professed by the european union and nato by armed means, and this increases our authority and stakes in relation to european values ​​there. democratic values ​​in relation to the security of ukraine today actually defends nato and europe, at least the eastern flank of nato and the european union, from the russian military threat

, so i think that it was not by chance that we were given the status of a candidate precisely because of these merits of ukraine, which are the most difficult to fulfill like us we see now because we really pay for this european integration with blood and great sacrifices, so in this sense, i think that if we don't even do something , we should be credited with it in advance, even though of course, ukraine is fully determined to fulfill all the criteria, all the cooperation criteria, to become a member of the european union and, accordingly, nato, and in this sense, i think that the constitution was correctly introduced into the constitution. this direction is a member of the european union because this is our

foreign policy course and in this case this provision serves as a safeguard so that no one deviates from this course of european euro-atlantic integration . of european integration, let's now give something here in more detail. one that they wanted to erase from our calendars, a day that ceased to be just a holiday, a day that not everyone met, a day that could not have happened if it were not for our defenders. we thank the ukrainian soldiers for the independence day of ukraine. ukraine has fulfilled almost 70% of the association agreement, said

the deputy prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration olga stefanishyna says ukraine wants political clarity regarding the following steps, they say, it is necessary to understand how long and difficult the path to membership in the european union will be, the government official added, ukraine demonstrates that it is able to go through all the necessary procedures, but it is important that the eu does not slide the process into bureaucracy , taking into account the challenges that ukraine faces and the fact that the ukrainian people and ukraine's commitment to the principles of democracy are obvious, and also the fact that we have fulfilled almost 70% of all obligations under the association agreement, this gives us the opportunity to say that we do not need to be evaluated from scratch, and we need to accept political decisions and we want to get such political clarity by the end of the year, mrs. kravchuk, since you represent the legislative bodies in our country and are as close as possible to this process, we

are also talking about the independence of ... on the one hand, we are fighting for our independence and, at the same time, we are defending the independence of the democratic world, and our partners - they appreciate this, you can see it when you talk to them at various summits or even on the sidelines, they see the importance of our contribution to western democracy, well, you know. let's say that we are showing now with an example. well, what does the struggle for values ​​actually look like? because europeans usually live in slightly different circumstances and even such informal ones. well, already in conversations. after some official measures, they say to the meps, you know , we, well, we will never fully understand until it flies into our backyard, or into their backyard, let it not fly. we don't

want this, but we absolutely we clearly say that mine is now your security shield, poland is very well understood by the baltic countries, everyone who knows who who, what russia is, who had historical er , well, historically they understand much better than those who are geographically further away, but there are, i'm sorry, 27 countries, and if we are talking about joining all 27, we must say yes, and the further away from ukraine is this old europe, how far has it penetrated the problem, how far is it understood here , the question is that what is actually the status of a candidate - this is already a political signal, they have already done it , that is, as mrs. stefanishina said, they can only delay the process bureaucratically, but in fact, we have already received the signal, and it is

clear that there is a separate issue of turkey and it is not related to any bureaucracy. it is connected with certain countries there with greece and so on , for example, once again, macedonia changed the constitution and the name of the country because they were there in uh, when they joined nato, and this is, well, this is such and such a rule, so what is politically note that turkey did for sweden and finland when they submitted an application to join nato. and when there is such collective decision-making, yes, and it should be collective, of course, every country is still trying to solve some of its issues. i am sure that in hungary we there will be questions about the national people's republic, well, we definitely have to fix it legislatively, but in general, i if we compare the attitude and some kind of reality , and even the same sanctions until february 24, and the fact that

we now have these packages, well, we very much advanced behind the europeans. i would like to ask you, you can say this access to the structural funds, which is very important and what distinguishes it from other statuses is that we have acquired candidate status, we have now already received this access. so we, as a country with official candidate status, have access to the structural funds, but in fact , let's be honest, we need much more money than the budget, the entire budget of the structural funds. well, in fact, we are still working with the european commission not only on this sectoral there for some it is possible for roads for culture again uh but we need a general budget there if i am not mistaken 4 billion euros and we need uh the same amount but you know understand 30 seconds to sum up well just technically yes of course we have already access to structural funds , evgenia said further, but this is basically work with the

budget, this is budgeting for we cannot automatically get access to the influence on the budget of everyone as soon as we were given that candidate status. that is, it is necessary to come to this, there are four levels of e-e budgeting yes, there is the third level, there is 10 years, the fourth level is 20 years, yes. that is, it is a gradual process, we will receive real aid, which will be within the framework of the budget of the european union, but now we are already receiving impulsive economic and military aid from the european union, which to decide in our grigory quail , your final word is also i think that we are confidently moving along the path of european integration and the status of a candidate does not allow us to confidently stand on these rails among other things - this is the business of our institutions of the public civil sector, yes, this is routine work, which i am sure of. we will do it successfully.

thank you, mr. hryhoriy, for this hour yevgenia kravchuk , deputy chairman of the committee on humanitarian and information policy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine oleksiy buryachenko, candidate of political sciences, and hryhoriy perepelitsa joined us via skype international conflict expert director of the institute of foreign policy studies professor thank you thank you and thank you to our viewers we advise you to stay with us because the broadcast continues ahead there are a lot of interesting topics on the holiday, the war changed us a lot, i quickly learned to make decisions, put together one shoulder bag for the rest of my life, we learned to say goodbye, say goodbye to my hometown, mariupol, the war changed us all, but it definitely did not break us, i became more motherly, and most importantly, i remembered what is in the most valuable thing in our lives is the opportunity to hug each other every day, when our children are happy and our parents are healthy