on this life is very important for ukraine and ukrainians who are fighting for these lives and literally recently a crazy tragedy happened, as for me, olenivka. we knew that there are two colonies in this settlement. we knew that a large number of mariupol residents , including doctors and, of course, military personnel, are there, er, i suspect that the conditions and characteristics of the attitude towards people with a military background may be different from those of civilians. but nevertheless, what happened in the deer park is impossible to comprehend either with the soul or the mind. how do you think the world's reaction to what happened, you, uh, do you feel that the response or this reaction was commensurate with this disaster

. i think that this entire reaction of the west reminded me of the story when in russia, it seems, a plane with all the leadership of poland crashed near smolensk and the world said that it could not be that the russians it was involved because it's too obvious uh and i even heard that it caught fire by itself but it fell by itself and then several years later after the study after the investigative actions found out that uh it was found out that the plane was downed russian by russians, that is, the volume of the tragedy consciousness expresses so much that people refuse to believe that such a thing is possible. in general, there is such a tendency when you are very afraid

of something. well, for example, you are watching something. read to the end, look at those photos, you simply deny it. and you promote it in the same way, and you promote it in the world, so that it is afraid of this horror, to even believe that such a thing is possible, the same way people perceive themselves , being in captivity for many - it's uh-huh it it is impossible to imagine at all how to get through this and they also try to skim through it as uh, how would you think about a serious disease that is incurable and to which you are doomed ah, that is, your consciousness refuses to accept this information, but if you are not

honest with yourself, you will start uh, the disease and which will happen later, when you and hamenetes start to be treated, it will already appear that they are in the easter stage, because of this i think that the world simply needs to be more uh, carefully, well, that is, to choose words that they will perceive and to inform more voluminously so that they had information about what is actually happening, but it is actually hell there, it's just that we can do a large number of ukrainians who are now in ukraine go to the rallies very gently and delicately, but draw the attention of the authorities to the fact that there is little information and we would like to understand whether any actions are being taken to try to bring these people home,

many people abroad go to events, perform performances, often these are really crowded events, but there is less, for some reason, appropriate reactions. we are so far did not see human rights organizations such as certainty international allow themselves some reports in which they actually record violations of humanitarian law and weapons by the armed forces of ukraine simply because we defend ourselves on our land and in our territories but nevertheless i was very surprised by the fact that no e-e unconscious assessments of what happened in the deer park were ever given, maybe they are waiting for the results of the investigation. i don't know, but the fact that our people were on the territory of the deer park, that is, not in the deep rear, as it should have been

this is already a violation and russia can be brought to justice for this, the world does not do this, in your opinion, the reason may be that russia has its own agents everywhere, and when we talk about the international committee of the red cross, human rights organizations, the organization of the united nations, after all there are elements incorporated everywhere, and that is why we cannot achieve appropriate justice, at least in rhetoric, of course, i can assume about agents of influence who are already in these organizations for now, but there is still such a moment that ukraine without obstacles allows any inspectors to all in all territories please you can come in e-e write an application and we will show everything you want this is a medical fact as they say please any

international organization has the right and uses this right to investigate and check the condition three states of the received and the conditions of detention ukraine does not have any obstacles on this path as far as the dpr and the lpr so-called what is it they just hide this information for three months these while i was there never once, no one from the red cross, no international entity, and there was never even a rumor against it, although usually in these institutions where prisoners are kept, these rumors spread very, very quickly and often by the

owners of the institutions they use it to impose some kind of information and spread it as if this is a rumor out of pain. well, for example, what is there in kyiv to take and either this person is bad there or this person is alive . they succeed all the time and it's just that they are international the organizations do not have access to the prison facilities , they use the information they have, and of course, if i am there, there are elements of influence, they usually add dark colors, not to our advantage, in your opinion,

should we raise the issue of reforming all of these international organizations and institutions because, well , we see their effectiveness in the case of our war with the russian federation is very doubtful, well, for this , the relevant international control bodies, wherever they are, must be involved carried out a full investigation of both the connections of officials of these international international organizations and their possible financial documents, i.e. maybe someone is simply on the payroll of the russians, maybe they are blackmailing someone because they are masters at this, they are good at it. they are either collecting well you know how to do vintage. there are a lot of ways to influence a person, but

we can't do it, it must be handled by an international special commission, which may need to be created, i would be very happy. how was it ? maybe if i had influence, i would certainly do it right now. we just noted what would need to be changed there in international organizations, perhaps in order for them to be more effective. and we have to change something in ourselves. i recently spoke with germans and americans, people who came here voluntarily, volunteers are here to help us, and someone went to fight. yes, someone is helping us purely on humanitarian issues , but when i asked them why, why did you decide to come, it is dangerous for everyone you your life it would seem that you are very

cool here anyway and they say, well, it was such an audacity to attack you, and when i say but they actually did it back in 2014 well, purely even formally and practically annexation of foreign territories - this is an act military agré and they remarked to me, no, of course we heard something about crimea, for example, but they believed that something was happening between you here inside the country. i was absolutely shocked and concluded for myself that perhaps we did not work well on the information front somewhere on the diplomatic front, how do you assess me i do not know the loudness of our country's voice now when we we need to convince the world that it is necessary to get our people out of russian captivity

. the future regarding e-e information and interaction with the international society a-e i have to do special training . ukraine, what kind of messages, what uh, um, international organizations, how will it be spread, who will be informed, as for the prisoners , the state does, if at all, extremely little to inform the international community, everything that is done, everything is done at the expense of volunteers, volunteers uh, private individuals, well, that is, those who are heard. for some reason, i don't know why, on any

planned action, any support action, awareness campaign about prisoners, uh, i haven't heard everything that people do, well, for example, i'm in britain now i am here, they are done on their own and this issue is not raised at all at the international level. and it is strange, that is, people who left ukraine raised these questions. yesterday i was at an event dedicated to the supply of ambulances for the front and for civilian hospitals of ukraine and people came out with posters together, the will of the azov residents, the will of the doctors about what i constantly say about what i constantly talk about in all interviews with foreign media. i believe that if the state no longer

undertakes such a mission then we have to, but here it is there's another side of the coin, sometimes it's better not to shout about specific people in general. sometimes these issues should be resolved quietly. that's why we have to balance so as not to harm this sensitive process and at the same time ensure that the world pays enough attention to it in the end and finally, yulia, i will ask you, what do you think the victory of ukraine should look like, the final victory over the russian aggressor, how should we be in this victory, and in general, what is it for you, for me, it is definitely a moment when justice will prevail on

to our land, when we will take back our own and perhaps help the people of russia throw off the yoke under which they are now. sometimes they themselves do not realize this, there are people who realize it, but they do not have the opportunity and sometimes the courage to raise their voice and say that this the government is unfair, well, it will be, it will not be the achievement of the goal, it will be an intermediate stage. in my opinion, because a lot of work awaits us next, and we must be, we will assert our independence .

we have a lot ahead of us, and first of all, we need to rebuild the country that was lost in this war, we see the cities dismantled, broken, destroyed, we know each other, we even know how many soldiers and civilians died, how many children we lost, and victory - this is just one more step towards the formation of a chic, beautiful, strong and inspired state, which is a dream . i i will only remind you that this year marks the 31st year of independence and exactly on this day, in fact, half a year

of war with the russian federation. as far as i'm concerned, we're holding on coolly . we will do this work and end up where we are now, yulia poeska said, in the country we all dream of. my name is khrystyna yatskiv. thank you for being

with me. rescheduled to the day of ukraine's independence, on the other hand, we are also aware that the war is ongoing, fierce battles are being fought, besides, in addition to the purely military aspect of our independence and our resistance, there is also an economic aspect, we understand how difficult the situation is in our state, and at the same time, we are aware that society needs to realize itself and earn a living in any case, we will talk about this and other things with our experts at the ninth hour and 46th minute khrystyna yatskiv and antin borkovskii according to according to the data of the national bank of ukraine, the foreign exchange reserves of our country, which were 31 billion dollars at the beginning of the year, have decreased to 22, almost half a billion dollars, and the reduction of reserves continues, of course, the fall in gold and foreign exchange reserves

affects but maybe we at least have some mechanisms to slow down this reduction, because we don't know how long the war will last in our country, so uh, let's say, the belts must be tightened uh, so tight. as soon as we can, contact us serhiy fursy, investment banker dragon capital e congratulations to serhiy slava ukraine is still with us oleg penzin executive director of the economic discussion club p oleg, we congratulate you too i also congratulate you you are so charming today referrals you are also no less charming trust us with a well report taking into account our professional view of our experts but so to speak, the situation in the economy of ukraine, as far as we understand, is not comforting. six months of war caused a significant blow

. well, the war does not benefit anyone, and so the economy of ukraine is really in an extremely difficult state, we have lost around five million jobs, that is 32% of the total labor market, and unfortunately this number is increasing in our country, lost at the moment is about 35% of gdp and i think that this figure will probably also increase my view is not so critical as to not give the possibilities of ukraine to continue resisting, that is, with the help of our partners, well, actually, i insist on this phrase, with the help of our partners, ukraine is worthy today to do a decent job and fight for

its own independence, so in this situation, i think that the problems that exist in ukraine today sooner or later they will end and ukraine will restore its economic capacity. and i am absolutely sure that we will be a powerful european country. we agree with you, mr. olezh, and we hope for the best, of course. well, accordingly, the question to mr. serhiy furs, oleg penzlin has now characterized a certain, so to speak, dangerous development of the situation. depletion of both the ukrainian economy and the russian economy, it is very important for the russian economy to be depleted as quickly as possible, therefore, in our case, this is precisely the fact that the reserves of the

central bank are being written off, which may threaten the potential the loss of macroeconomic stability runs out of stocks of citizens that they had at the time of the start of the war at the same time well, if we compare the situation now with the situation at the beginning of march, it is heaven and earth , first of all, it is very important that all these six months we were able to maintain the same macro-financial system it is very important, yes, at the price of a reserve of luck, new screwed nuts and more nuts will have to be tightened, this is what kristina said, er, the same, for example, er, the law on increasing import taxes by 10% is one of the elements of such tightening. therefore, it is still will go but at the same time, after the shock of the first ones, the ukrainian economy is still gradually recovering, we see that much more business is working now than it was then, even the labor market is a little more lively than it was there in april, in march, it is a little easier to find a job, although of course such a bad situation there has

not been on the labor market in ukraine for the last 20-25 years, so these are two parallel trends of exhaustion of the state machine, exhaustion of macro-financial stability and some recovery of the business economy is very helped here, for example, the opening of ports, it is not drivers for the same agrarians, and for example, we can see that the impact of this will not be the same and the impact will be bad , it is indeed less than last year, but not critically less. last year we had the best year for agrarians in general for the rest of my life , everything is not so bad, although again, while the war is going on, we will all be poorer somehow in the first, i was sorry, so , mr. penzel, i would like to clarify with you what we should expect from the energy crisis, so what is not is created by ukraine, which is not created by war, this is generally european history now, and we

understand that everyone will somehow have to strengthen their capabilities in this energy market, but we see that russia is issuing ultimatum after ultimatum, well, look, in my opinion, you are just wasting your time did not tell the europeans that gas is not a commodity for russians, gas is a mechanism of influence and the construction of the northern stream, the second increase in the share of russian gas in the european economy, it is extremely dangerous, they talked about it ukrainian politicians have talked about it, ukrainian diplomats have talked about it more than once at an international conference, ukrainian economists have talked about it, nevertheless, we have what we have and indeed today the price of natural gas is more than three thousand dollars per 1000 m³ - this is an absolutely unprecedented figure and indeed at the moment europe practically did not

prepare for winter, as it happened on this date . every year, the necessary volumes of gas are not pumped in, and indeed today is the price that the average european will pay for heating in winter, it is extremely high when you and i are talking about ukraine. let's be honest, the situation here is not as catastrophic as sometimes they want to show us . in ukraine, the volume of what we consume has fallen by about 40%. we consumed 28 billion, count. today, we consume almost as much as we produce, but ukraine produces about 20 billion m³ of gas per year, 12.5 is produced by the ukrainian production, this is enough to provide for the population and e-e housing and communal economy for ukraine there is a

danger in other e-e the enemy is hitting critical infrastructure the enemy is hitting e-e boiler houses in a heap the enemy is hitting e-e thermal power plants and there is a great danger of that that just physically, due to the destruction of the heating infrastructure, a number of settlements will be impossible to heat, so what is the government actively carrying out, excuse me , such a mandatory e-e, let's say the evacuation of people from those areas where there will definitely be no heating, i think that this is actually extremely important gas reserves, i think there will be enough of them. so here , all the more, look, the population will definitely not suffer, and somehow the main burden of the cost of energy carriers this year has been borne by the budget, utility payments, and the price of gas for the population will not increase. thank you, mr. serhiy, here it is positive for the killer, i would say from oleg penzin but we understand that

you will have to pay for any banquet and that the possibilities of the state budget of ukraine are not unlimited in the conditions of martial law. by the way, the verkhovna rada has already now, in the near future, i think we will be talking about the main wallet of our country. the ministry of finance has already started working on a draft law. but at the same time, mr. sergey, we see a tendency to increase the price of gas in europe, and exchange prices for the first time since march have exceeded the mark of $3,000 per thousand cubic meters and we are talking about the data of the london stock exchange , in particular, can we talk about the price increase in the near future, how can it turn out economically and possibly politically in the european union? what gas price doesn't matter $2,000 3,000. it's just a ridiculous level well it will be $5,000. well, it doesn't matter anymore. yes, there is a certain one. a loaf of

bread will cost uah 5,000. well, no one will buy that loaf. yes, they will buy pasta . that's why, in fact, the price of gas is already uh, it's a very funny spectrum, but no one buys this gas at such a price. well, simply because no one needs it like this, this economic problem is now on the one hand, now in europe there are really record prices for both gas and electricity, which is also very important and this will result in a significant increase in utility bills across europe, so the british economist makeup has calculated that his annual utility bill this year will be 10 times more than last year's 24,000. that is, it will be very, very expensive and indeed it will be a difficult winter. but again no, i disagree a little with my colleague here, because europe still pumped in a sufficiently high volume of gas, and in principle, in principle, in order to get through the winter normally, they need to reduce consumption by only 10%. in general consumption of all energy i think that the europeans will

cope with it, in fact, some kind of global tragedy will not happen there point yes high prices yes temporary such a thing is possible yes but it will lead to the fact that there will be an increase in energy efficiency there will be savings go uh and for next year they will rebuild their own gas consumption and will buy gas from other sources and actually the queue should end because $3,000 five is not important in relation to our budget and capacity, well, since we won't be at all well, because money it makes no sense to sell it for $3,000, well , it doesn’t at all, that’s why we will only rely on our own impressions and that’s why, in fact, naftogaz will not suffer any losses, when there used to be fights somewhere when you buy gas, the roads in europe sell it here cheaply to the population, but that won’t happen this year we will only really have our own production. i am not sure that it will be enough for purely technical

reasons. it may lie in storage, but the pressure will not be enough to raise it, because we understand that in the winter russia will most likely stop completely transit the territory of ukraine and this will lead to certain technological complications, plus, most likely, russia will turn off the zaporizhzhia e-e station. and this is 25% of our electricity in ukraine, so we will have a deficit in the winter without any questions. yes , and the winter will not be so easy, it is not there will be a catastrophe again, but there will be a significant deficit, and we have a deficit in our homes, it will be colder. for example, maybe they will be disconnected somewhere. thank you very much, mr. sergey serhiy furtsa, investment banker dragon capital, oleg penzel, executive director of the economic discussion club worked on the live broadcast of our marathon, we congratulate you once again happy independence day, dear experts and dear tv viewers, we are moving on now it is 10 o'clock,

which means that we have news on espresso, but i will take away a little bread in our news because well it's actually uh really just to make you smile here lukashenko congratulated ukrainians on independence day i am convinced that today's contradictions will not be able to destroy the centuries-old foundation of sincere good-neighborly relations between by the peoples of two countries. well, that's the story. i think it's already detailed. my colleagues, i forgot about lukashenko, on the other hand. maybe he just went crazy. this also happens in old age. it can happen to us. thank god, we don't buy limits on these fishing rods, but less so. i will say goodbye to you on this, antin is still here and you will be scorned, as they say, yes, yes, yes, yes , yes, yes, word of news, thank you, colleagues, for your work, i will continue to work