well, they will include in the list of those wars that liberated us, national-liberation national wars and so on, but now i want to return to the characteristics of this person, it is clear that it is impossible to consider putin a person of common sense, i join those who consider him a person who prandalnogo is sick of power and has created his own world in his head, where there are his own categories, which , well, you can say so. with a person who uses human categories of

concepts. i'm not talking about such things as morality , honesty, and so on. it's obvious, and in such a case, it's clear that i pay special attention to a country that opposes such existential evil. before i give you the word existential, that is, it does not matter in principle, this is ivan the terrible - this is joseph stalin, this is ulyanov, vladimir ulyanov , is this putin, there is a problem of an existential nature, the incompatibility of the existence of these worlds . uh spoke and referred to the famous british scientist mackinder, who actually discussed the topic of relations between civilizations, between ethnicities, and he

laid the foundations of geography, which absolutely clearly outlined the current eastern border of ukraine, belarus, the baltic countries, scandinavia as the next border, because this work came out in 1904, and after that we will survive the curzon line , so in the next century, with the emergence of e civilization , the border should have been the eastern border of ukraine, belarus , the baltic countries, the scandinavian countries, and so on. actually, what is not? do you know many scientists about the relationship between the hardland and the roman world of the two civilizational worlds on the eurasian continent, and in fact, this is the

emotional exclamation of the president of the united states of america, ronald reagan, as the ussr, the evil empire, and later, mccain's russia - this is a big gas station, and they are, as it were, such an intellectual clot of the essence of the same thing that we are dealing with. that is , they are not quite human because they operate with not quite human categories. i mean putin, his the immediate environment and so on, from here it is obvious that with common sense, what is happening now seemed impossible to a person, but when you understand perfectly well that you are dealing not exactly with what is called a person with individuals who have their own scales of measurement, then you understand the regularity of this phenomenon, which is actually just a question time is now the answer

of the present current moment and what can stop this tragedy that continues for a millennium only the capitulation of the kremlin and a very simple principle should work here, fascism won in berlin, nazism must win in moscow in the kremlin in another option , any other option is just a-a struggle for a pause and it can last 10 years, 50, 100 years, but everything will be the same everything will return to its tragic regularities the battle for this resource, what is it? look, and what not a-a is belarus not a resource? is a central asian state resource a resource? unfortunately, this is the regularity of the existence of an

empire and these two empires that are now left on planet earth - this is russia as an empire. well, i would say so. it is a gulag with more than 190 ethnic groups. -is peoples of nationalities and china, these empires that were late, obviously late with the disintegration, and due to certain circumstances, let's say so to soften the answer to the question, preserved themselves they must disappear from the map of the planet earth, and here it is very important that what we we are talking to you, not only ukrainians understood, but the whole civilized world understood, then it will be possible to form an answer to this question sooner, if not, then the history of this

disintegration and pauses and it will stretch in time not for years, it will stretch in time for decade or maybe more, you have already mentioned putin and these non-humans, er shoigu and their team that is now waging war against ukraine, today the minister of defense of the russian federation serhiy shoigu , speaking at the meeting of the defense ministers of the countries of the shanghai cooperation organization, made some statements about the fact that the slowdown the pace of the offensive in ukraine is a conscious decision what needs to be done is to minimize civilian casualties, let's listen to what he said and then continue our conversation tough sanctions information war and conflict on to ukraine, because of the non-proposals for this

, the united states of america and their supporters are the strategic source of russia in order to eliminate competition and prevent other states conducting an independent foreign policy . security is primarily understood as a relay of the neutral status of ukraine's activity in the publication of the russian federation to give tools for a hybrid war against russia , ukraine was chosen, which refused to implement the minsk agreement and was a real threat to the residents of

donbass . the world or the united forces or the united army of the world will stop in front of the kremlin er shoigu and putin do not want to admit defeat they are trying to find now some certain arguments in order to make a pause, can blackmail by the zaporizhzhya npp be considered such an argument , since twice in the last week the united nations, or rather the un council, was forced to consider this issue at the request of russia, mr. serhiu, what is an empire first of all, and especially there, the

russian empire, soviet the union of today's russia is, or rather, cream - it's a lie and that's it. it's a lie upon a lie, what a lie and the topic of nuclear threats that started a long, long time ago, back in 2000 and early 2000s, then it died down later in in the 15th year, it appeared again and, especially, it began to develop, and since february of the current year, it has become, as it were, a very complex, structurally complex mechanism and tool for waging war , and it is not by chance that people talk about information war and immediately put the topic of zaporizhzhia npp zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in the hands of the

kremlin - it is a weapon, it is not a civilian atom - it is not a civilian economic entity - it is a weapon and the relationship to this object of this enterprise as to weapons, because when we say it's putin's, it's his and this e-e clique has its own categories, its own braces, its own concept and non-apparatus, then you need to understand that actually they refer to this object as a weapon and not to e-e civilian object if enterprises and so on and in this there is there is a colossal danger because here there is a double interpretation of the interpretation, including the security council of the united nations, world

leaders and regulatory bodies such as international ones such as magade and so on. that this is outright blackmail. it is obvious next comes question a s- to what limit can the kremlin step in this regard. the fact is that, uh, usually and traditionally and naturally, these persons, in addition to lying, they are also great cowards, because in this story it is necessary to understand that only nuclear weapon and this object is like a sword uh-uh it's double-edged and it hits one and the other and in fact this is lying blackmail i can't call it any other way it's just lying blackmail with talks about switching the

electricity supply off uh -e apply there some eh, emergency strike mechanisms and so on, this is an attempt not so much to influence the course of the war as to blackmail not only ukrainians, but also the whole world, adapting it to this conceptual apparatus, your understanding, well, you understand when you watch the security council meeting and listen to these representatives of the russian federation, you are well aware that you are dealing with some kind of creatures similar to me, and it is a shame that these people are in the midst of absolutely conscious sensible people who understand what is being said and this would be the ultimate talking about black and white and black and white. not realizing how this can end

, including for russia itself, it is very dangerous, and here, for example, it is obvious to me that the issue is not only with russia, with russia with the kremlin , everything is clear. do those who realize this they listen to the fact that this is a colossal danger, this is a danger that can lead the world to a tragedy, and the sooner this danger will be eliminated, and through joint efforts and not only by supplying ukrainians with weapons , technology, ammunition, etc., but also by uniting in army, and here we need to talk not about two, not about three, but about the necessity of the fronts, which can be as soon as possible cream with his idiotic dreams and strangle them in another way, that is what is

being discussed there in the use of threats of the zaporozhye nuclear plant before the chernobyl one can become a reality because these are not exactly people as i say and therefore they cannot be fully responsible for their words and actions because they do not realize the whole tragedy of the situation, well, mr. serhiy, the actions led to the fact that how absolutely the secretary general of the united nations, antonio otelish, correctly states that more than 500 billion people are on the brink of malnutrition and even hunger, and to realize this , all these kremlin scumbags are the whole clique, they simply do not have the level of intelligence to realize what has led to this this idiotic dream of their

restoration of the empire called the soviet union regarding the lack of an appropriate reaction of the world , volodymyr zelenskyi spoke yesterday at the second meeting of the crimean platform. he said about the fact that there can be no talks about negotiations , because the aggressor country is acting, they testify that they do not need negotiations, let's hear the president, what is going on, that while there are negotiations and talks, there can be no war exclusively on the territory of ukraine, they came to us and killed only citizens украины играждан украины исключить на здрафициается как русский выбырювать mokkei babaevich strange word your life russia

with daily attacks breakthroughs offensives or then retreats accompanying all this with herbs murders and violence tells everyone to us and you that they do not see any negotiations other than these. and we explain that everything they did shows that they are not talking about any dialogue at all. in the 14th year, they did not accept this decision and gave them a good deal, peace did not give them, but it did not give them, they went further and further and further

. spoke in russian, roman, why did the world swallow the annexation of crimea so easily in the 14th year, if you look at the period of the exit from the cold war, the collapse of the soviet union, the world dreams of the fact that in the end the moment has come that there will be no war the tool of a large-scale war will not be a tool for clarifying relations and the third stage of the so-called convergence, do you remember this word , if the convergence of systems was used, then only in such dreamy er things in such romantic views could one expect from er anyone

of the participants in this process, you know similar actions. so , when you talk about this topic, i immediately remember this uh, the overnight stay of the president of russia at the home of president bush jr. at the ranch there in texas ah well, from the point of view of the current situation to the home of the enemy, we understand what we are talking about in this situation. therefore, it is obvious that after long long wars, after the tragedy of the second world war, which took more than 80 million lives, and after a protracted cold war and colossal economic failures and losses several crises that have hit the whole world, including the

right of the united states and europe and the soviet union to come to this, here, here is the understanding that it is possible to somehow create in this world, which would minimize the war as an instrument, its explanation of relations it is obvious that he did not agree with this romanticism, what we are dealing with today, when these dreams, this romanticism simply became, as it were, a kind of fog in the eyes and everyone ceased to orientate what russia really is and only there somewhere in the great bookmark of the library lay the works of well-known historians, philosophers, and politicians who said that the heartland is the

heartland and sooner or later evil will always manifest its essence, and that is why, starting there from nagorno- karabakh, transnistria, georgia, ukraine, in 2014, the world did not just react sluggishly, but individual states and individual politicians played along with this. well , we can remember two more chechen wars, also bloody ones, which were actually very similar to what russia is doing now in the east and north of ukraine, when they destroyed entire cities with people and then rebuilt them, they said to see what a good thing we did today, i don't know if you have already seen this message of congratulations from the self-proclaimed president of belarus, lukashenka

, to the people of ukraine on independence day. he has messages on his website. he is convinced that today's contradictions will not be able to destroy the age-old foundation of sincere good-neighborly relations between the peoples of the two countries of belarus will continue to advocate for the preservation of harmony and the development of friendly and mutually respectful contacts at all levels written on the website and also violated in of the president of the republic of belarus, well, since mr. roman , you know lukashenko very well and the republic of belarus in general, you were the plenipotentiary and extraordinary ambassador of ukraine there, how do you perceive this wagging ? well, i don't know. a co-author of this russian-ukrainian war and actually an accomplice

of vladimir putin, at the same time he says well, we bombed you a little there, russian planes took off from our airfields, but between ours friendship between countries, when you said about this greeting, i see it, the first thing that came to mind is the phrase of andrii danylka, which you remember in the reprises , it sounds like a train is going - it climbs well, actually, this train is from the russian-ukrainian war he is studying at a high speed, he already long ago raised lukashenka and belarus, and with the current situation, he will raise the region and the continent and the world if the world does not eh and there are necessary necessary steps, but that is what lukashenko and with this syndrome of the head of the collective farm

is trying to stick in any situation in that including and with this greeting, well, what a greeting eh the fact is that from the point of view of international law ukraine and belarus are in a state of war analyzed the situation and it depends only on the political will of the ukrainian political leadership that ukraine does not strike today on the territory of the republic of belarus and on military facilities, airfields, other training grounds where russian troops are stationed, belarusian troops and so on from the territory of which state we are every day we are being shelled, that's why everything is clear here. and this is a

greeting. it rather only confirms the essence of this complex of the head of the collective farm with whom the soviet head of the collective farm lives and works with the self- proclaimed dictator of the republic of belarus. here , in continuation of the topic of the world's reaction to such things, i can to remind a-and this tragedy of the belarusian people has been going on for almost 30 years and it is in the center of europe. the scandinavian states, the baltic states, the northern states of europe, and this is the bridgehead that

must be eliminated as a bridgehead for the kremlin . that most of the final documents themselves are nato - it was noted, but when today there is a conversation about the need to put an end to this issue, then everyone seems to be slowing down without realizing it the fact that such a bridgehead crimea and belarus are necessary prerequisites for the surrender of the kremlin and victory over the kremlin well, maybe ukraine should show an example of how it is necessary to talk with belarus in general , and well, since it is still an independent

state de jure and we continue diplomatic relations with belarusians, why these relations are not broken, mr. serhiy, it is strange to me that until now these diplomatic relations are maintained. well, in some cases it looks a little comical because ukraine broke diplomatic relations with north korea, but with the state from whose territory the shelling is conducted, whose troops perform tactical tasks on the border a-a-a-a whose resources are used against ukraine and whose self-proclaimed dictator makes statements, well, including p -like these that were voiced today, we are contesting diplomatic relations in fact, from the point of view of international law and the convention on international treaties, such actions mean that there

is not even a bilateral agreement between our states, because the requirements of the convention on international treaties sound about the fact that if 101 parties commit actions that do not allow this mechanism to work, it means that such agreements are terminated from here it is obvious that to date the actions of lukashenka, his satraps, his clinic have actually destroyed the entire system of bilateral agreements, bilateral agreements, they were in a formal status and in fact in the status of the war, now about that, the formal status of the independence of belarus, belarus is no different from the fact that today there is crimea , it is an occupied territory, only crimea is a part ukraine is occupied by russia, and belarus is a state occupied by russia, and if you think about it like that, let's say that

lukashenko is equal to axion, that's absolutely not a creature from the point of view of their status, and management of these territories, and the kremlin looks at crimea as it does at belarus. as a resource, as a platform, as a bridgehead, one poses a threat to the mediterranean, the other to the baltic world, but these are just platforms for threats , potential platforms for striking europe, the only thing that these two platforms are in tactics the kremlin's military are uniting too. are they on the parapa a-a carrying out the function of striking ukraine, mr. romana, thank you for the conversation, forgive me that due to air alarms, our conversation lasted a little less than usual. thank you for the conversation . i wish you good health happy

independence day to you once again. it was a novel. immortal as a diplomat , the former ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus. yourself and your loved ones. goodbye. watch espresso news and euro espresso programs for ukrainian refugees in europe on the air. co -broadcast with atf channel. radio svoboda programs . voice of america time-to-time programs. the inclusion of public television journalists. bbc news ukraine and france 24 news programs as well broadcast of the information marathon, the only news, together we are the strength, glory to ukraine

, then maybe 15-20 days of the war, i spent in kyiv region during the offensive, just at the time of the russian army, we were under occupation with my parents and already after we were able to leave, i decided to go and join the territorial defense forces of the city of kyiv. well, and continue my service there, let's say you were a plastun, tell me about this experience, what did you need it for, now i have been plastun since 2014 almost all my conscious life gave for how much this

is such a good positive experience specifically for serving in the army