and the second problem as the russian people, who loved the occupations, which leads to ichni warriors and that banal question of yevtushenko, do they want russian wars, what do they want, an interview with your associate valentina rudenko, that in 2008 at the bucharest nato summit, let's say angela merkel almost ran away from you i invited the president of the united states that two days before the summit er that we should work in kyiv er on the issues of acquiring er associate membership of the pdc for ukraine and obviously ukraine ukraine fulfilled everything and brought us a resolution that which is offered er to accept at the summit that there were no prospects for the pdp or membership, there was not even a

remark that ukraine is a european state. they sat opposite merkel and sarcasm as soon as it started, a break began, the sarcasm immediately washed away, and merkel stood up, but saw what a group of presidents is leaving, well, in the end, we agreed that we will work on a resolution after that. putin, having received carte blanche, will prove to bucharest the attitude of the alliance to the security issue . two and a half months later, his troops in georgia in august, and a few months later , the same germany signs with putin the severny stream one, this is 2008, a complete logical chain,

what was the western policy at that time? with a labor book, they stood in line to be given many lucrative positions in ross neft gazpromi les kruglyak and 6 months of the war showed her what a big mistake was made by the event when an adequate one was not provided in a timely manner, first of all, a military one help i wanted to do this in 2008 and encourage russia to put this on the agenda and historical reconciliation putin we are somehow uh for a long time so reasoning reasoning he says windows that well you want

russia to apologize to the tsarist government never says no to most questions, i would say the behavior was to receive information and in a number of negotiations in a number of negotiations he was very interested in my policy of national consciousness and i dedicated my first visit to donbas and set as one goal that for me donbas is so dear as any part of ukraine is the best way to return a comfortable life to these lands. this is precisely ukrainian politics when we talk today about ukraine and support at the international

level . we are supported by more than 50 countries today. biden saw very deeply and far when he spoke about the goals of this war, firstly, it is a ukrainian victory, secondly, so that from now on russia will never be a source of occupation and aggression. well, if not, if it does not fall apart, i think that humanity knows the answers, how to organize tomorrow. so, exactly 31 years ago, on august 24, 1991, the verkhovna rada voted for the act of declaring the state independence of ukraine, the act was supported by 347 deputies of the verkhovna rada, that is, the constitutional majority voted for both the national democrats from the opposition and representatives of the communist majority, ukrainians managed to achieve unity and in the

matter of declaring an independent state, then in ukraine it was possible to take advantage of the chance provided by history in moscow there was a coup d'état of the cpsu and after his defeat and the victory of democracy, ukraine became independent, confirming this later in the all-ukrainian referendum on august 24, there was a public meeting under the verkhovna rada, people demanded to vote for independence and the deputies heard this call in the very hall of the parliament after the vote for the epoch-making historical document , there was elation and even then sichova was famous the song oh, in the meadow, the red viburnum became a symbol of something, our glorious ukraine was mourning now »

what was the day of the declaration of independence of ukraine and how is this event perceived today when the real the war for independence continues, let's talk about it further with ivan zaits, a former deputy of the verkhovna rada, who voted for the act of proclamation of independence of ukraine. which emotions were felt the most at that time, i still remember when the number

346 deputies voted for the act of proclamation of independence of ukraine appeared on the scoreboard. it was the culmination of all that work not only on the same day, august 24 or which days, which days were there during which period or even that year, which was ahead of the adoption of the declaration on the state sovereignty of ukraine, because with the adoption of the declaration on the state sovereignty of ukraine, the ukrainian nation manifested its desire to have its own state and not just a state and a democratic state, a state of the national type, where tradition as a custom of the ukrainian nation is the basis of social organization, the declaration was a program for gaining the independence of ukraine in us, it started a very consistent the process of ukraine's sovereignty in absolutely all

spheres, and it is precisely on this basis that the consensus between the libyans and the rightists was cut down, and we went very consistently towards our independence, and russia more than once, the russian empire did more than once tried to stop this move of ours , even to the extent that they organized the so-called gorbachev referendum. when they saw that everything was fine, we did not agree to sign a new union treaty, they resorted to the use of force for a coup d'état in order to preserve the soviet union by force in order to keep ukraine, therefore ukraine's statement is a geopolitical phenomenon beyond measure possible, no one helped us then to become well, to form our own state, it grew out of this eternal struggle of ukrainians for freedom and will, and it was such a trend. it was such an age-old mood

of our nation and this movement just managed to not just proclaim the independence of ukraine in the watch it says that the verkhovna rada solemnly proclaims independence and the creation of an independent ukrainian state ukraine is now arguing about what should have been better written there restores its statehood just uh, you can’t come up with a better idea, because we really restored our national statehood, because this is a process, a process that incorporates the struggle of the upa and incorporates the struggle of the sixties, incorporates the struggle of the peasant uprising of the 20th century years of the 20th century, together they created carpathian ukraine and cossack ukraine and many, many other things, but this should have been completed with such a great and such a great event, a historical event, and

the proclamation of the act of independence of ukraine became precisely because maybe once in a thousand years there is such an opportunity for the people to create their own state, and we created it, so there is no contradiction here between restoration and us creating this state . the mounds of the scythian kings , no one knows who lies there. they were razed during the soviet union and the mound was gone, so i am in favor of the verkhovna rada passing the law on the founders of the ukrainian state, so that we do not destroy this peak of victory of the ukrainian nation, here the question is not just about my ambitions or the ambitions of our partners in the supreme council, it is about the recognition of this

historical victory of the ukrainian people, because ukrainian independence redrew the entire political map of the world, we destroyed the soviet union, we destroyed the communist system as the basis of totalitarianism we gave europe a chance to create europe within its natural civilizational boundaries, but this could happen only under the condition of ukraine's integration into nato and the european of the european union. there were many impressions. i felt very strongly that day . i was tired because i had endless discussions with my and our opponents. i followed the passage of documents. partner with dmytro pavlychko, who had an influence on leonid

makarovich kravchuk leonid makarovich kravchuk trusted him, trusted him and his intuition, and when we voted well, there was already some kind of fatigue and such a question well, why did it have to happen like this, and in fact, even at the final stage of the national liberation struggles that led to the creation of a modern state, the mobilization of the creative potential of the patriotic potential of the entire nation was needed. i am not talking about that previous history where people there, uh, hundreds of thousands laid down their lives for ukraine, i mean the upa, i mean our other heroes , that's why our state is a geopolitical phenomenon from outside the borders, maybe no one helped us create it it was created precisely by the age-old struggle for will and freedom, mr. zayets, you really mentioned the authorship of the declaration of independence

and the creation of an independent ukrainian state, and actually among the authors there is, well, i don’t know if it is correct to say so. please comment, but in fact, they voted for the act of declaration of independence and the communists, how did the declared independences manage to unite in this case, what arguments were used? which was then, and only then can we come closer in our thoughts and assessments to the truth , who was the time when ukrainian society aspired to independence, ukrainian society has already learned that the further stay in ukraine as part of the russian communist empire, which was called the soviet union, will lead to to the destruction of the ukrainian nation as an ethnic community, the

entire 20th century was marked by the purposeful policy of moscow, not against the leading strata of ukrainians, these all the holodomors, these all the soldiers, these all repressions, all these demands, it was all aimed at depriving the ukrainian people of the leading stratum, of giving people intellectuals, strong enterprising people, and that is why there was such an understanding already in the 60s that we cannot continue to be a part of the soviet union in any other way, if we destroy it, we will disappear as an ethnic community 67 i apologize that you were there, we just unfortunately don't have much time, but i really wanted to ask you how you assess the events that are taking place now, because there is a war for a war for independence, in fact, what is the strength of ukraine now, in your opinion, briefly, in a minute , there is a war going on for the ukrainian state, for the perspective of the ukrainian nation, if it is the ukrainian state, then it means for and for the independence of russia

, wars are always of an existential nature everywhere, because it is governed by such and such a person- hating totalitarian ideology, which is racism, the ideology of racism, this ideology pushes the russian government and the russian people to destroy peoples who want an independent life at their own discretion and do not want to dissolve in this horde community, that is why this war is a very big problem for us they consider that in their minds the importance of the state is recorded as the basova national value and many hundreds of people went to war to defend their statehood, many people went to the volunteer movement, many people help each other today, war is a very big evil for us, we are losing the best sons and daughters, the territory, the economic potential, but

this is a test, but this is a great opportunity to become better , become more perfect, save ourselves, save europe from this absolute evil that is russia and even force europe to reboot, let values ​​go forward again, and not your pub, and it's more comfortable. unfortunately, we don't have much time. i am very grateful that you were able to join our broadcast and comment with us. there was ivan zaets - an expert of the verkhovna rada of ukraine who voted for the act of proclamation in the 91st year of independence. thank you for the opportunity to live and work. residents of kyiv, kharkiv and odesa. victories for which the ukrainians thank the armed forces of ukraine in the video of radio freedom the guys are our gold , our relatives we look at all these machine tools of these tanks

of this equipment how well done you are we pray for you we believe you classmate oleksandr tchaikovsky friend what do you see me now roasting beating them like this let the azhpiria burn in the throat and come back alive and all the boys, let them come back to him, it's such a stress for us to see these videos where you sleep in return, the poor, everything is honest, you lie down in bed , you feel somehow closed in, somehow yourself you feel awkward that you are doing everything for us so that we live in peace, we are very grateful to you, guys . we wish you would finish it all as soon as possible, because it depends on us. i myself am a cook and feed the soldiers who are in the unit. in you in us and we will win, many people are fighting yes, yes, my father is 128, you can be an infantryman he is currently being treated in the place of zaporizhzhia well, they are stationed there eh hold on everything will be fine i

love you and we will win today we defended our ukraine and did not let explosives go glory zsu slava in ukraine, you are smart, you are smart, you are so protective of kharkiv, you are the first to meet us in hell, which we did not call you here, perfection with debaltseve. well, i have been here for a long time, just 8 years ago, in the 14th year, the roller started. i don't want such emotions, i wish them health, happiness, patience, and that they start, that they know that they are remembered, and all the time

they think and pray. it was easier for you there. thanks to ukraine, i am very grateful to them that i can live to teach my child that they protect us and i can sit here now, i love each of them, i am very grateful to them on my knees in front of them that they protect our country and i wish them all to return alive to our soldiers so that they all return healthy, eat brother and eat good friend victory to all our army it is incredible we could not even imagine that we will have such an army, such guys who will stand despite everything, thank you very much for the fact that they are taking our country we

we are proud of them and we believe in the armed forces, we will win. glory to ukraine. well, how do the residents of the capital celebrate independence day, which fell on the seventh month of full-scale cooperation with russia? my girlfriend roksolana bychay, who joins our broadcast live from independence square in kyiv, roksolana, will tell you about it. hello, how is independence day going? in kyiv today on all other days before that and i can compare the last 5 years of independence day celebrations in kyiv that this year the atmosphere is absolutely different otherwise there are no people who were participants the advice of the military in such elegant uniforms, you know, who were usually preparing for the parade. at this time of year, people have mostly left the capital, and a large part of the people today either left the city or are

sitting at home, because there are not many people on the street, but despite this, on khreschatyk, where are we now? there are people, they gathered here closer to noon in the morning , in fact, there was no one here, as there were no cars on the streets, there were almost no people in public transport, despite the fact that august 24 is usually a public holiday in the country this year because martial law, this is a working day, but i will say again that there were many more people in vranka than in previous days or previous years. well, i will also note that many employers in kyiv, on their own initiative, recommended their employees to leave the city, or to work in this, this, this days of these days at home, well, the authorities generally recommended 22 from the 22nd to the 25th of august not to crowd and not to gather on the streets, well, regarding the situation here on khreshchatyk in the very center of the capital, khreschatyk was closed a few days

ago and now it is closed, and here is what is happening this is what people say is the parade of russian vehicles, that is, they put broken russian vehicles and we can see that the people themselves are joking . and on the broken russian tanks it is written that this year it is a parade with a nuance, because we all remember, i think , that usually in the capital it is on khreschatyk there is a parade of equipment on the maidan and there is such and such a celebration of independence day, we can chat with the people by the way, good day radio svoboda please tell me good day radio svoboda please tell me we are live on the air why we decided today to come here to khreshchatyk despite the calls of the authorities to stay at home because of possible missile strikes, i don’t know. because we shouldn’t be intimidated, we need to look at the equipment where russia burned. by the way, there is an air alert going on now. why are they in hiding? it’s hard to say. i understand that it’s right to be exposed, but they’re used to it. i think it's just that people got used to it, well

, this happens. well, we live on, and where are you from kyiv? that's how you usually celebrate the day, but we came because of the wreath. how do you usually celebrate independence day? i love khreshchatyk, so it's usually just right right on khreshchatyk therefore, it is not excluded that today i also decided not to change traditions on khreshchatyk, i love khreshchatyk, i have always loved khreschatyk well, if you usually celebrate independence day here, then compare independence day to the full-scale war on khreshchatyk in kyiv and now, ah, slightly different thoughts now somehow, at first you understand that you need to celebrate because you need to attack with spirit , you need to be strong and understand that we will win and so on, but at the same time we see that the war is going on right now, people are dying, there are hits on our boys there the armed forces serve and so on, that is, it’s kind of ambiguous,

you know. that is, it’s not like it’s a holiday, but you can’t notice it either, because it’s our independence. the 31st year should be celebrated. has kyiv changed or not? there are fewer people. maybe that’s the first time there are fewer people. but i noticed that there was more patriotism among people. well, i can notice everything like this before. further and i have also already noticed that many people have switched to the ukrainian language, this is also very cool and i like it, thank you, er, this is what the man who is celebrating independence day on khreschatyk today started thinking. there was also boris johnson, he is the former prime minister of great britain, and he was here with volodymyr zelensky earlier, well, even earlier. they met

with him and held such a small press conference. johnson again expressed his support for ukraine and support of great britain well, volodymyr zelenskyy thanked for that, and now in kyiv there is an air of a so how do ukrainians celebrate the independence day abroad, i suggest you listen to my colleague zoryana stepanenko zoryana give you a word my congratulations roksolana sashko you really know the very festive atmosphere in the capital of the european union, which congratulates ukraine on its birthday in every way and with words and ukrainian flags, which are here now everywhere, and here they emphasize that ukraine and the eu are one family, this sounds today also from the european politicians and from ordinary europeans and ukrainians who go out into the streets, wash hands, take pictures, hug, do it with tears in their eyes, which is quite understandable, because the 31st anniversary of independence coincides in time with another date of six months since ukraine gained its independence a long time ago,

defends itself with weapons in hand, so this year is a holiday acquires a completely different symbolic shade in the heart of brussels, where during this time seven packages of sanctions were adopted to weaken russia, today a giant thirty-meter blue-yellow flag was unfurled it was held by hundreds of people and this is much more than usual. people come here to the center of brussels to celebrate the independence of ukraine and those who were very emotional today sang the ukrainian national anthem red viburnum shouted glory to the armed forces of ukraine and the higher political leadership of the european union joined such a spectacular action today. was the president of the european commission, whom the ukrainians immediately wanted to take a selfie with her as a memory and greeting ursula foterlyan wrote in advance so that they could see him and hear everyone we will never match the sacrifices you make every day however we can and will be by your side the eu has been with you from the beginning in this

struggle and will continue as long as it takes together with you we will rebuild your cities brick by brick we will restore gardens and fields thanks to the sacrifice of your generation, your children will grow up in a fair and free ukraine. there is still a lot of work ahead, but we can do it together dozens of leaders and government officials of individual european countries today congratulated ukraine manuel macron began the appeal with the words of the ukrainian women, spoke them in the ukrainian language, accordingly, the politicians thanked the ukrainians for their courage and steadfastness and assured that they can count on the european union in their struggle . the first among high -ranking eu leaders to visit kyiv since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of the russian army into ukraine, a real diplomatic landing force from from different countries came to the center of brussels today

to congratulate the ukrainians and to assure them of the same, they gathered not only here on the grand place and near the brussels monument to the babbling boy. under the theme of this or that holiday , today this monument accordingly resembles a ukrainian goat. as you have probably already seen, it is minimalistic, but you are insignificant. but i believe that , first of all, they support the spirit very much ukrainians who are here now, it is also interesting for the people who live here, for tourists, and maybe not in such a tragic way . i am alone in this war, and it is already a victory that everyone expects, not from all diplomats from partner countries of

ukraine today i heard comforting words well, for example , the head of the hungarian foreign ministry noted that his country is against new anti-russian sanctions because they are harmful they say that europe is against, in particular, visa restrictions against russians, their introduction, i will remind the diplomats of eu countries will discuss at their meeting next week the independence day of ukraine thank you for watching svoboda life will be back tomorrow goodbye , what kind of creatures are surprised by the toilet in the house and we from ukraine

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