well, if the exchange rate were 120, then they would sell these dollars from the sale of oil, they would convert them for 120 and give them to the soldiers, now they can only do it there for 58 rubles, respectively, in order to finance internal needs, but they don’t have much unfortunately, objectively talking about the fact that the west turned out to be able to crush russia economically in the short term is enough so that, well, that is, the war did not go into a protracted phase , it is impossible to talk about it, it was not possible viva well, she also gave an interview about our economy deputy prime minister, our first minister of economy, yuliya svydenko, british routers, we told her that the economy of ukraine should stabilize during the next year and can grow in the 23rd year. then + 11 was the maximum in all of ukraine in the

most recent 31st year, svyridenko added that gdp growth will depend on the development of events in the war with russia, your assessment of such a forecast by the first deputy prime minister, please a-a it is actually is absolutely fair because uh, as far as i have seen this news, there is a range from 0.5 uh, whether it is an increase or a decrease in the next year to 15 percent, which you said about and it is the same well, that is, this is essentially a comment if you ask different people what will happen in the war, well, that is, he can say that in 2023 we can either completely return the donbas crimea to ukraine and go to the borders of 1991, or we can give russia the entire coast of the black sea and russia will create a corridor to transnistria therefore, these are actually good forecasts

which are absolutely legitimate and it is obvious that 15% growth is actually a forecast that foresees the best situation in the war, which is exactly what yuliya svidetenko said. will allow our partners to quickly give us money for the restoration of p- this is an opportunity for inflows in the same way in private investments. this is a scenario plus 15% more realistic base scenario from those that we saw this is a growth next year of 3-5%. to the low rate of this year, of course. thank you for finding time for our broadcast. glib vyshlinskyi, the executive director of the center for economic strategy , is our guest and we are on our way. olga kosharna is ready to join our conversation. she is an expert

on nuclear energy at olga, congratulations, congratulations. tell me, please, now we we will see you for your information, what is the current situation at the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, we read that there is no electricity in the occupied cities of the zaporizhia region there is no water, yes, after today ’s shelling, the distribution lines of 150 kw of electricity were destroyed. the power plant was left without electricity and, accordingly, water. the last of the four , on which zaporozhskaya issued electricity that went to the bulk power system of ukraine, as a result of this, the fifth power unit went through an

emergency shutdown and connected reserve diesel generators because the power supply of the sixth unit was lost, the capacity decreased and it produced our own needs , then the occupiers quickly restored this 750 kw and the 6th power unit began to gain power. well, i generally think that it it must also be stopped because i don't remember your broadcast or not because there is a difference when the unit stops the unit at power in the case of loss of external power supply and failure to connect the generator to the active position the zone is severe. the accident occurs after 36 hours if the block is in a disorganized cold stop. and it takes several days for the corresponding temperature to drop, and then if the external power supply is lost,

the relaxation of 27 hours takes place during this time. it is already possible to control the accident . hours - it's not three , that's why the situation is really complicated, apart from everything else. and there, there are still fires, uh, in the center of the attacks yesterday, there were fires, and you can see the art during this time , uh , new equipment was introduced additional and british intelligence showed uh pictures uh after the statement of the russian federation on august 23 at the meeting of the security council, which it initiated dedicated to the specific situation around z. shows that they are 60 m from power units 5.6, there are armored vehicles, except that in the first and

second power units, it is possible to place halls. but the number of military personnel has also increased and our intelligence too, it was confirmed over the weekend that it increased, that's why the situation is very complicated. apart from everything else, yesterday there was a message that the personnel of m-m-e-e was detained e-e. in ukraine, among them, there is the director general, that is, terrorism and hostage - taking of prisoners of war, the substance of the personnel continues. personnel who were captured during all this time were in the basements. well, you already know that the divers were asked and the open number was

shot there by the energy company even earlier. m. is a mechanic from the heat-automation workshop and the video was uh- uh on the resources of energodarsky, who shot a car from an automatic machine, and it’s not about what time russia is at these meetings on 23-24 sovbeza. it’s that it ’s a terrorist. there is some kind of derivation of the speakers. and this is such a sour cream said our he said well how about this ukraine will shoot up its own station on its territory what do you think is the enemy's main goal now with regard to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant to reorient it to the russian power system or to show that it is the ukrainians who are

doing everything and are terrorizing the whole world with regard to the nuclear accident switch it, there is no question until the support fell at the very beginning after the plan to switch the ss to the united drug system through the transformer pact became known they are restoring the line, then the key transformer substation of dzhankoy burned down and that's how i saw it. in fact, according to the video, it is not subject to repair, a new one must be built, so now the pause is required for the substation from krym. so that when they set it up for reconnection to the unified energy system, it received precisely from crimea electricity on its own, and which i am talking about all the time until the pause means the main goal of er-er in crimea, explosions, it is not clear to anyone

does not take responsibility for the partisans of cheburashka 's special operations. which i sometimes listen to. but they have this blackmail and it will be the best option. we will liberate the zaporizhia station. luhanskaya, but no one will go to this russia, no one believes it, she demonstrated everything in her performances, and

yesterday they put security on it. nuclear terrorism, uh, russia, the occupier, war, well , except for china, brazil, mexico, gabon and ghana, which called for a network at the negotiating table, both sides need to calm down and not escalate because of the negotiating table. that is, you are these countries - this is saty lite российской федерации here, uh, what's called a grandmother, don't go, you know, especially china, who uh, wants to sit on two third parties and not get a penny from birth, get pissed off, at the same time , there are more and more views on it, and so far east olga tell me either laska, in general, who is currently on the territory of the station? are there representatives of rosatom there, or are they currently conducting the operational management of the station, or is the management of the

station carried out exclusively by ukrainian citizens , with employees of the energy atom of ukraine and accordingly, energoatom is the operator of this station, please , there are employees, but they are all russian leaders, you understand there, the main engineers are with you, the chief engineers of the russian station, they cannot control the reactors at our gas station. they don't interfere, they are fire correctors in operation , because if you look at where they shoot us, for example, yesterday, this is an additional special corps, there is one, this is a laboratory household corps you know, that is, they are correcting the fire so that it is not disturbed, critical for safety, the system was suspended before the shelling began, they quickly hide in the basement, and this

system has a systemic nature. of the atom, they are making adjustments to the war on the station, i understood you correctly, so that uh, with all the stupidity and russian, you understand the military that are there, those are limited mentally, so that they don’t hit somewhere there, and make a traditional accident, that’s it they don’t really want to, because these are the models that were the model of the year, not in the direction of russia, so if there is a traditional heavy accident with the fusion of the core, our scientists have calculated that it will be a pleasure to fly the krasnodar region of the kuban, or russia wants and does not regret its own people, but there are fertile lands, there are not so many fertile lands in russia, and grain is grown there , and this export is currency, and grain is the only one of the many nomenclature that the boys did not get, because

he asked for famine in africa and so on. why we were allowed later. and if cesium 137 falls out , according to some calculations, i remember that the crystal cannot be cultivated on these lands, it will be. as in the chernobyl zone, they will be useful in agriculture, so they are blackmailers, but not suicidal , and, in addition, they will blow up there or make a traditional accident, uh, they are not suicides, but you are the military that is there. and i’m just asking, why can the world community, the same authority in the governments of european countries, the governments of the united states, impose sanctions on the seedlings themselves? i do i understand that he is not under sanctions and is personally under the leadership of russia, so if his subordinates are engaged in nuclear terrorism in zaporizhzhia, it is absolutely true and such are the voices

of the public. cooperation in nuclear energy passions , they are still not between the rules. but the actions are now moving in order to achieve that russia is recognized as a sponsoring country terrorism is more severe sanctions. well, of course, against the dew there. is it possible for them to succeed in egypt ? this project can be brought down in russia, but for her , of course, in terms of money, in terms of volume, it is not the same as the oil and gas trade, there is a wild one. billions are less than billions. she lost what was left a rocket structure is practically an airplane structure with

space and forever in the satellite there it is glued with pv pv glue or something, it still has reactor technologies and poe so this will be a sensitive blow for russia, even if the money is less than after the trade wanted to ask you one of the leaders of the occupation authorities of the zaporizhzhia region, vladimir rogov, there is such a local commissar, a scoundrel, he is a witness of the russian peace, he stated that among the workers of the nuclear plant there may be employees of the special services what did you mention? he said the following: the two fire adjusters have already been arrested. they say that our npp repair crew is very large, and the work of the sbu and other special services and punitive structures of the zelenskyi poroshenko regime has been going on all these years, and there is a possibility that they are still present at the station. the people who are connected with the special services and interact with them is quite large, said this leader. what do you think, well

, are there any of our people at the station ? well, they are waiting for the return of the ukrainian government. i am sure that the oppressors of the personnel are waiting for the return, and this is the heroism that was noted in the delegation's speech at the meeting of these two foreigners. the threat of killing both myself and my family, but the majority of those who have passed, of course, if the collaborators have passed, uh, well, i don't think that among them there are sbu agents or something, i just don't think so i worry about the personnel all the time. they say the truth because the number of personnel is decreasing. this is the critical name that is controlled by the nuclear mouth, but in the case of some force majeure, there is a lack of personnel

. plans for responding to all kinds of force majeure. and what to do in the event of a lack of personnel, there is no such plan, so i am worried about the personnel, i am not, i am sure that the traditional accident will not happen, they will not prove it, and moreover, if there is no external energospna obschennia as written in the comments by one of my energy specialists. yes, they will carry their own armored personnel carriers with buckets. there is diesel fuel in these reserve dezin-generators. you understand the rights. olya . thank you. energy owners of the light, yes, and ms. olga says that the most critical situation is with the personnel who, in fact, are now captives of the occupiers. and many people

have left and it is very dangerous. we are going further to there international volodymyr yelchenko is with us diplomat permanent representative of ukraine in the united nations from 16 to 19 years mr. volodymyr good health good mr. volodymyr well, let's comment on the situation at the zaporizhia npp and whether the reaction of the world community to this is nuclear terrorism, why are there no sanctions against the russian energy atom and in general? well, the reaction is quite diverse. please, i think that if this blockade will continue for at least a couple of weeks, then rightly norway will apply for sanctions as well, but i heard today that after a meeting or a conversation , a statement was made by macron about such a

fate communist that literally in a few days , uh, it will be an agreement has been reached and the inspector will be able to visit the station, so i understood that the main problem there is that russia wants us not to travel through, well, actually russia or through the crimea or through the occupied territories. and we insist on that for them to cross the dnieper from the other bank, which is controlled by the ukrainian troops there, only 5 km there, our avenue leon, kislytsia said about this in the security council meeting twice already, and i think that well, when russia saw already after two meetings of the security council on this issue that its the standard does not pass eh and no one eh

actually, even russia's allies like china and india have not supported this negative, that is, no one has long believed that the ukrainians are inspecting their own power plant or nuclear plant. so i think that this statement is true. i am not heard such statements directly from the russian side, that is, from putin or piskovo or lavrov. but in principle, if such words were said, let's hope that either money reached some kind of agreement or macron still managed to convince putin because something needs to be done, but by itself the admission of inspectors to the station will not solve all the problems, well, he will at least put the situation under some control, if you are more, they will be there constantly, but this does not remove the question of creating, well, some kind of of the inventoried zone of ya

i'm not talking about the complete withdrawal or withdrawal of russian troops from the er flock and in general from er, well, from the entire zone around and inside the soviet union. i think that this will still be the subject of future negotiations, but the main thing is that um well, here is my conclusion after these two meeting of the un security council that russia, er, finally it is clear that they will not be able to deceive er, the whole world er, and no one believes that russia and ukraine are to blame for this, well, we heard from ms. olga dear are the arguments technical let's say so technological in favor of this so i think that all specialists and not only specialists have already perfectly understood what it is about, that is, the question is not that the danger at the station was caused by the actions of ukraine or russia, but that the root of this problem is that russia occupied part of ukraine, including the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, to stepan volodymyr, simply a

question in because he will come, let him come to russia himself, this rafael will come, the inspectorate will come, well, they will write a report, yes, at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, there are two armored personnel carriers on the fifth block , there are 200 kg of russian explosives on the fourth block in our hall there is a battalion of the russian marines there, the kadyrivs are there and everything is working, the situation is under control, everything is off to see you, eh, i’m hugging zhmuruka well, what’s next. this is me. i completely agree with your pessimism. i will share the same opinion. that is, this in itself will not solve the problem said but at least this will stop this escalation, which can lead to a real nuclear disaster, and the world is primarily afraid of this, uh, uh, uh, the liberation of the nuclear power plant. actually, what are the rest of the ukrainian territories that have been liberated, this is already a matter of war and peace this is a matter of a completely different negotiation, but at least

we will delay or stop this escalation, which can lead to a really tragic situation, although we can see that even yesterday showed the volumes in the dnipro and so on, all this shows that russia is already not before not before what will not stop even for some nuclear interactions that will lead to some kind of accident, i don't know, i'm not talking about some kind of apocalypse but all the same it will be very dangerous and it can't be forgotten well, as they say and if you listen to their statements starting there from generals, er, all sorts of military men who said that they mined everything and were ready to blow up er, well, i'm not talking about the speeches of the nibians, even the security of ion. it's just some kind of parallel world, it seems to me that they don't understand at all what they say and what they do, but in parallel with with the terrorism

that happened in our country yesterday and the killing of peaceful residents and citizens of ukraine, a meeting of the un security council was held, and russia remains there and is a representative, and their representative was precisely against our president speaking the charter does not provide for the format of video communication , russia voted against it, china abstained, however , the very presence of russia on this international platform after what russia has been doing for six months on the territory of ukraine, what are the results of the un security council and what does parallel reality mean, did you mention the fact that this russian was sent there what does parallel reality mean in your life? who are you? you listened to his speech after yesterday's meeting . here was an improvised short press conference. that's what he said there. well, that's it. it just doesn't fit into any framework anymore well, i will try to repeat that you are for such a thing that he is advocating

for peace in ukraine and that this war should end sooner at the negotiating table, but this will happen only after how will russia fulfill all the tasks that it has set in this special military operations, that is, people, and then there will be peace, that is, he does not understand what he is saying, well , he understands what he is saying, what is written to him, he cannot, he cannot say anything, or anything else but, you know, diplomats can find some things well, the words so that, well, at least between the sentences, you could read something else, but he is just a direct text . well, i am generally surprised by this, that is, you know, an experienced diplomat. well, i just think that he simply does not know what and how to explain to him, uh, and you understand. if you put yourself in his place, well, it's a really difficult fate, that is, you have to. i don't know if

he believes everything he says or not, but i think that still, deep down, he understands that he, well , bears the fruit of a delusion, but he has to do it because that there is no other way out and it's simple makes all the other members of the un laugh. well, what about russia being embarrassed by yesterday's vote? pay attention that, well, china abstained. china seems to me to have used very skillfully the fact that he is the chairman now from behind security, presiding, as a rule, occupies such a position, pretends to occupy a neutral position. you know, it would have been a tactic so that china was allowed to hold back. but i think that even if china did not preside, it would probably hold back, and india voted for president zelensky 's speech. this is the first time that india, let's say, on ukrainian or related issues, does not abstain and

does not vote against, but voted for. i think that this was such a serious blow to russia, because it considers india and continues to mention it as its serious ally after china, and here is india it's just that the indians probably lost their patience when they see what is being done in zaporozhye, at the zaporozhye station, there are elenivites. well, in general, this whole war is right there, as they say, not the last people are sitting, they understand very well, they are watching she didn't call the news. they also understood what was actually happening there. and you know by yourself that you should put the question to the vote about the participation of the president of a sovereign state. well, i honestly don't remember that . russia simply crosses, well, there are all possible thresholds or dashes. and i do not remember such a thing in my memory. you know, different dictators

spoke there. there were problems with the speeches, for example , i still remember the late president of palestine , the president of the whole of israel, that is, different countries. let's say they weren't enthusiastic about the fact that the president of a country they don't like and don't recognize will speak. but such a thing as to try to forbid the head of state to speak, especially by video link, not even physically. what are the results of yesterday's meeting of the un security council for ukraine in your opinion, this meeting was at least symbolic, that is, it is clear that it did not approve any decisions, it did not stop, let's say, war or russian aggression, but it showed that the world is on our side. and if you take it in conjunction with the meeting of the crimean platform in kyiv

, even online, where there were 60 plus countries , 45 of them seem to be, that is, practically all of them were represented at the level of heads of state, you know, support is growing and ukrainian platforms , for example, took part for the first time in some countries of latin america, asia, africa, and they were not there a year ago. remember the two sessions of the general assembly when, before this one, the treason on human rights was immediately excluded and when the resolution was drawn up condemnation of russian aggression appears at the beginning of march of this year. there were 140,141 votes in the case of security. look, 13 were in favor and one abstained . i am sure that support and understanding of what is happening is growing in the world. the most important thing is that this is all, well, you understand, according to the

security council - this is, as you know, a television series. and a lot of people around the world are watching it, and these people draw conclusions from this, too. and it is very important for us to ensure that this understanding goes to latin africa america, southeast asia, where there are a lot of countries that are far from this conflict, that do not understand the roots of that aggression, that know little about history, and everything that they listen to adds to their knowledge about what is happening in ukraine today and every week . this understanding is increasing. so, yes, it can not stop the war today, but we understood from the very beginning that this is for a long time and we need this world support in one way or another, and russia is getting deeper and deeper. with this isolation, eritrea is passive and russia is already in india there