they are no longer capable, they are of course symbolic, but here and here this is their mistake, so you started talking about what, what, what does this 31st anniversary of independence mean? three days well, logically, zelenskyi had no experience in this sphere, here the russian armada is such a spy army, he did not run away. they expected that poroshenko would run away. well, first of all, who would they arrest, who would be there after zelenskyi, poroshenko, there is no doubt about it, they fought against him he is also in the elections was in kyiv, ukrainian deputies were in kyiv, the ukrainian parliament was in kyiv, well, some went and we know these people, but most of those who make decisions, they all stayed in kyiv. what does this say? so dolupa jesus sculpts built something over the years, all generations yesterday we were at the lychakiv

cemetery on these days zelena mykhailovych with other colleagues and at first, according to tradition, people look at us not only in lviv, but at first we were not on mars the field where those who died recently are buried and went to taras zherebetsky, who was in charge of affairs in european solidarity in lviv, who just died, then we went to field 68, this is at the entrance to this e-e, this is a real cemetery where the heroes of the heavenly hundred were buried e- and today is the birthday of one of them, verbytskyi, and the soldiers who died in the first days were already buried there. kulchytskyi sokolenko. well, the dissidents are buried there, then we went to the place where the soldiers of the ukrainian galician army are buried and those who died in the military, who died in the first days of the war and this memorial to the dead is scattered and he we saw before us the entire history of ukraine, all these people fought for this

independence to happen for a long, long time now look we lost in our competitions in the 18-20th year and then the ukrainian army and the ukrainian leaders left kyiv before the same onslaught, they are our heroes, we honor them. they later defended themselves in warsaw and won the warsaw battle, but they had to leave kyiv, now nobody was going to leave kyiv, not only the political observers - the leaders did not leave the army that mobilized gathered started it was already formed stopped the aggressor did not go people who started to build barricades themselves took hunting rifles and went out to make roadblocks did not go to the leadership this means that the ukrainian nation was formed and was formed in honor of this aggression putin did not imagine this means that ukrainians , it is impossible to win, well, it is impossible to win over ukraine. viktor yushchenko said in an interview today that ukraine has not yet won, but then putin already lost,

when putin thought that the nation did not exist. and she it exists and can be defeated, so it is impossible to expect. of course it will be. we don’t know whether it will be a long or a short war, we know that putin has the resources for a long war, we know that when 400 military aircraft of which border of ukraine and almost as many military helicopters of russia are there, then this is a threat, we see it and we understand, but we just as perfectly understand that we have a strong army, the support of the world and the resources to fight for a long time are there, but i would not reject that which may fly in, as they say, the black swan, but i rely on it, we never know what will happen tomorrow or in ukraine always helps because those who hope and work well themselves and always win , that's why i think that after all well, it's clear that we need to be ready for a great and long struggle and we are ready for it but i believe that uh well, this war will end in fact quite quickly, we will win.

all our territories will be ours and the enemy will begin to rot and fall apart, then the black swan is a positive hero in the case you are talking about, it depends on who he flies to, he can be both positive and negative for us he will definitely be a positive hero, there is no other way out, let's add to our conversation markiyana lopachuk , junior lieutenant of the armed forces of ukraine, secretary of the lviv city council, glory to ukraine, markiane appeared in a statement by the head of the intelligence of ukraine, who said, in particular, that a turning point had begun in the russian-ukrainian war a quote and such a wording was sounded. we also talked, hmm , in our interview before the e-talk show with the secretary of the national security council, mr. danilov. he said that we should prepare for a protracted war. and we are asking about this in particular of our viewers who offer and answer the

question of whether they are morally ready for this protracted war. and here are the numbers that i see. they are approximately 50 to 50 and people can be understood because it is difficult, it is difficult to prepare and it is difficult to realize that war can be and for a very long time, including what you think about it, well, it is difficult to comment on the words from the statement of the head of the main intelligence office, because he probably has more data if it concerns some specific military topic , if we speak politically, of course, a turning point the moment comes, it comes every day because if you compare what everyone talked about on february 24, february 20 at the beginning of february, when all the international experts gave there 2-3 days, a week of time, how long will the country be able to withstand, then there until easter, then something else had to happen, of course every day, every week shows how much our country is now united, how strong it is, and of course that all those

plans are new and constantly changing, the leadership of the russian federation, how much they are breaking down in ukraine. of course, we can talk about pevnyi a turning point, and this turning point will definitely happen in favor of the country. are people ready to prepare for a long war? well, of course, to ask people such a question, few people will say that they would like it, but because of it, they would like it, or they are forced to prepare, but in fact they are not forced to we simply have another option and here it is not a question of how long this war will last or how long it can last, it will last until our final undeniable victory because there will be no other options for us, that is, everyone has now understood that the fact that the meeting of the kremlin leaders is happening, the statements that were at the beginning, why is it starting ? and the so-called special operation in quotation marks, then these plans were constantly changing, in fact, everyone now

understands, at least in our country, at least our western partners, that the goal of the russian federation is the complete destruction of our the state as a state, the complete destruction of the ukrainian people , the restoration of the ussr-2 or imperial russia by the second or so on, it is clear that none of their options suits us, it is clear that not must prepare for the complete defeat of russian troops on our territory, unequivocally preserving the borders of our country up to the borders of 1991. if we talk about the pseudo-referendum that we are, in fact, the russians are already scaring us, and they have already said so . the holding of these referendums will end in the fact that there will simply be no negotiations, and in the end this information, which, by the way, did not come true because, again, two weeks ago, we were told that in mariupol on

on august 24, a public trial of the azov fighters is being prepared, and then there will be a public execution of the sentence, and they even said that it could be like the death penalty . fortunately, this has not happened yet. how do you think these attempts to hold these pseudo-referendums and pseudo-implementation will turn out? he threatens the russians in fact and not just with a whip in the information field. look, you yourself gave the answer to i wrote off the referendum, they come to make any pseudo-referendum, they don't even go to make it, they just announce that they have already made it. that's all we are dealing with a country in which he works very hard, and i would simply recommend everyone here to pay less attention to what the russians declare, they will declare exactly what they think will benefit their state and harm ours, in order to put psychological pressure

on our people to do as morally -psychological pressure and so on, everything that is happening now and everything that the russians declare is pure skepticism, that is, they already have some kind of predicted line and the result they would like to achieve, they declare it in advance and accordingly, then it is all furnished with fakes on television pictures and so on, so if we talk about whether or not there will be a referendum, they can simply show that we held a referendum, that it will be a fake, well, everyone will understand that this is an effect , just like the crimean referendum, they today they are shouting what have they done to the restaurants here, the question is more difficult that despite the six months of the war and despite the fact that the russian authorities have realized that perhaps as of today in which its army was in a deplorable state, in what deplorable state was the entire leadership, let's say, because, well, in such a dictatorial

system, that is, every leader, every military chief wants to tell how wonderful it is, that is, no one really said all these plans that were drawn before february 24, of course they were drawn there at all rainbow promising there, i think that, first of all, it is this thesis and these mantras that ukraine will last three days, this actually came first of all from the side of the russian federation, and that is why those with- from the present moment, whether referendums or any other things, well, this site is not just, you don't need to pay attention to them. we must clearly understand what we are doing. we don't need to pay attention to any statements of the russian federation. we have our goal. we have something that united the ukrainian nation . the state in which it is now when everyone is united on everyone on the one the goal is to defend the independence of our country to knock out the enemy abroad from our country and only after that it will be possible to talk about any other moments and these well, everything else - this is this just don't pay attention yesterday during

greetings on facebook of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, mr. zalozhny, attentive ukrainians saw in him in the photo behind him such a small bas-relief, i don't know what it's called stepan bandera, but now we can see this photo, i just have a short question for you, and for you as a journalist, in fact, how important is it that after all, our high-ranking uh military officials are so uh well. thus, it seems to me that it definitely symbolizes something that stepan bandera appeared in this photo. what do you think? i think what is it? actually, what bandera is standing in mr. independent's office is clearly a very positive symbol, but it is much better that starting from february 24, a lot of people

have re-understood the history of their country in general, the relationship of many figures of our state, a lot of people have re-understood their attitude to historical services and to the ukrainian language and so on, i.e. everyone understood that these are all again there about bandera about others about shukhevych about konovalts, this is all again fakes that were more created than the soviet union and they they were simply forcibly introduced everywhere, that is, people did not know their history, did not know, did not want to know, they wanted to believe what they were shown on television or what he was tormented in the head for decades, that is, it is necessary to understand that such historical figures as stepan bandera and roman shukhevych are others people who fought for their independence, what happened after their death, how their name was tried to be smeared, and uh, this is a completely different moment, and when we saw all this aggression, this fake that started on february 24, as far as

we saw the lies there about the manipulation there, i am excited and tired of other moments, we understood and a lot of ukrainians understood that this manipulative story was applied by the russian federation to many historical figures of our country and to many historical events of our country in the same way, and i think that in the near future well, a lot of our western partners will also change their attitude towards stepan bandera and others, and just like now there are a lot of countries there , i don't even want to list flash mob flash mob started in europe when all the russian monuments are simply being taken away, russian, that is, soviet totalitarian symbols, because, well, everyone is clear that, well , enough of this faking is enough of its lies and enough of these impositions. thank you for your answers in direct contact with us and we continue our the discussion in

the studio, mr. tsymbalyuk, you haven’t talked about it yet on our broadcast, but we, in general, analyze the events through the prism of the fact that ukraine celebrated the 31st independence day , as we agreed in this studio , independence day is very important, although bloody further i remember my repeated discussions with a canadian of ukrainian origin. unfortunately, the now deceased orest is subtle about independence and the creation of our state. by the way, he wrote a lot about ukraine and the history of ukraine. so he said that ukrainians should learn three things. the first is to always be ready to win back independence . in front of the muscovites, the second thing is to come to terms with the fact that it is a terrible but our neighbor and learn to live with him, and the third thing

is that he said that unequivocally ukraine must defeat russia in just a hundred years, unequivocally i now when i remember after so many years, he really still said that independence day should not be a day off for a ukrainian, but a holiday. and we are used to it, remember that it was a day off, and everyone solved their own problems, except for conscientious ukrainians who went to the monuments to honor them. and everyone else had their own affairs and were waiting for this just a day off. it seems to me that the 31st year of independence has become a symbol of the holiday for many ukrainians, and indeed now this independence is already being gained at an extremely high price. i am sure

that the 32nd and subsequent years of independence will be they really talked about a protracted war here, and it seems to me that it has dragged on like that. the government should also remember that the war did not start in february of this year, but in the 14th year, and it is indeed already a protracted war , and society needs to speak, say difficult but honest things so that later there would be fewer questions in society, these are not panicky moods but the realities of life, because if the government did not speak, but specifically did serious things that should have been done by february and earlier, then it would look completely different, really when someone says is it when may

the third world war is coming. i'm sorry for ukraine now . thank god, 50 countries are supporting and helping with weapons, and not only that. in fact, the world is finally uniting against this calamity, and these are already signs of the third world war over the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. unfortunately, the situation has not stabilized yet. i spoke with those today by people who have a relationship with the nuclear power plant, this is the first time that five power units have been disconnected from power supply, and this is an extremely risky situation, and we were talking here, mykola was talking about the inertness of heifers international structures, this applies not only to the un. and we see amogates, but where are they? why are there only regular statements until today, there are no specialists, they talked about sanctions, and russia continues to trade in nuclear

fuel, and sells it to european states. here, too , the world community needs to think about how to limit russia in this direction as well. all the more so that the united states, like ukraine and other states, are ready for nuclear weapons. i mean, where are the nuclear plants to offer their own fuel? thank god ukraine has finally come to this , that is, the authorities should really do everything to there was no such phenomenon as the burnout of ukrainians from the protracted war. secondly, we should not allow the international community to be complacent with our actions and actions, although putin daily gives reasons for the world to shudder, and yesterday, when

ukrainians died here, they were already mentioned over dnipropetrovsk region at the railway station, it is possible for those european leaders who still doubted or do not understand that this is a terrorist country, maybe they will finally support the decisions adopted by the verkhovna rada of the ninth convocation already in march, when we recognized that er, russia, the state, terrorism and the process should be discussed, er, not only at the level of parliaments, here it is necessary to recognize this at the level of the united nations organization, it is clear that after this there will be a rethinking of the activities and necessity of all international structures, because currently russia has a blocking right of veto and in organizations of the united nations are a couple and well, thank god, they have already started protesting them. i mean other structures in which

today russia is a payer of contributions and this affects their position. there must be a war. war for every ukrainian and every ukrainian should have his own front or is he in the rear? is it an information front? it is extremely important. i believe that ukrainian society is waiting for new tests, because putin will not give up just like that, which increases the number of troops. he calls it meat, but it is important for ukrainians that we win, and with its quality, the danger of a protracted war in the winter is actually new challenges, the armed forces of ukraine are preparing for this, it is important that counter offensives and say our military, after all, it happened before

the onset of frost and cold, because then it will really be another problem, not only for the russians. and for our army, let's listen to the minister of defense of ukraine, mr. reznikov, what he says, well, this was also an episode somewhere conversations about how long the war will continue and further, mr. filippiv will have the floor. it is difficult for me to talk about years, a year, a month, because these will still be only my assumptions, because there are many factors that will lead us to victory. we will get to it exactly, the question is when and what at a price. and of course, if we have the will, the desire, the willingness to defend ourselves and the ability. we need other types of resources, these are weapons, these are cartridges for these weapons, this is money to finance the existence of the

state today and many other things, so today we have a chance to win even more cheaply from the point of view of ukrainian losses thanks to the partner alliance, new alliances were born today, it is for the alliance of only the european union or only the nato alliance, for example, as you know, we discussed this last time in the rammstein format, more than 50 will participate countries in the format of the scandinavian initiative, which recently had a meeting in copenhagen, denmark, and there were about 26 different countries and not only nato countries, including nato. we will receive help from various unions and separately on a bilateral basis support and we will continue to support it, and i can definitely testify that our partners are ready to work with us not only in the short term, but also in the medium and long term. therefore, everything will depend on many factors

but i remain an optimist not only because i wanted to, i dare say that i am a well-informed optimist, or a well-informed optimist, that is why i have certain positive hopes that this year there will be good and pleasant news for our entire ukrainian society and for the whole world because people it is important to see the victories. and how do you perceive these conversations about the fact that the war will be protracted in the coming months, we will see some victories as a military serviceman, first of all, we listened carefully to all the participants in the discussion and in fact did not formed for himself the answers to the question of what should be the information policy in the state during war, because war is like that, give an unusual situation on the one hand, as if it is necessary to tell the truth and

nothing else but the truth, but we must understand that everyone can use this truth in different ways and unfortunately, in ukrainian society there are also collaborators and the fifth column of outspoken saboteurs who can use this truth and pour water on the aggressor's mill or remain silent or tell lies i think it is definitely not worth telling lies sometimes it is possible not to agree on something, but it seems to me that the discussion should be as academic for society as it is called, and it is now so in this studio, and i absolutely agree with the optimism expressed about the fact that ukraine will definitely win, and it will be a victory not in terms of delaying the next war, but such a victory that will give us the opportunity to live peacefully, but on the other hand, we must not break away from the real world because it is very, very dangerous and there are two

sides to war, that is, rhetoric must be included very working, that is, if we want to defeat any enemy, including during war or in war, then we must weaken him, and in this situation, something happened. we did not hear about economic sanctions, about new packages of these sanctions. and there is still oil and gas and the issue of the price of oil is not fully resolved, and these categories are definitely very important in this situation, and precisely in the context of weakening the aggressor country, we say that it is good that this state would not be so big, but it is obvious that in this context there is a lot for intelligence of different countries, because even if you use the official statistical data of the russian federation, in the russian-ukrainian war or in the russian-ukrainian war, mostly

soldiers of the russian federation die from those regions that , to put it mildly, are not major, but unfortunately or fortunately they are not poor for with its minerals, etc., and this idea also needs to be thrown into this russian engaged, intimidated society so that the regions there think about the possibility of autonomy and some other administrative-territorial communities, this is a question that concerns the enemy, questions that concern us , whether there will be a protracted war or not, i don't know for sure , no one would like the military to fight under a contract , definitely not, but once the commander-in-chief, general zalozhod, very rightly said that before we wanted peace, but now we need victory, because how long does it take there will be so much and we will buy this victory but at the same time we must always be realistic and, let's say, prepare

some such scenarios that we may not even want to think about them, including probably this one of the approaches and which is now being replicated is about a protracted war, but at the same time, we must understand a few more things, our subjectivity to the outside world , that is, if you look at the chronology of events from february 24, then at first the world doubted whether ukraine is standing or not, then forgive the cynicism but in this situation, if it sounded cynical, the war crimes of the russian federation, irpin bucha borodyanka, and then the humanistic this is the component of the world system, gave the impetus to start providing us with weapons, you know, after the winter the situation can be quite ambiguous, because the cost of energy carriers, the cost of empty gas, this can raise certain questions from our foreign partners, and even more so raise questions from people

who live in europe and just now can ask themselves the question why are we so expensive, what are we paying for? must increase their subjectivity, including subjectivity in terms of economic relations, because we constantly count on fish. we not only need weapons, we also need financial injections because the economy is working soft and still weak and it does not allow the state to live, then here we must think not only about how to get fish, but how to get a booth to catch this fish. and this is comprehensive economic integration. i said socio-economic, this is the integration of our life activities into the european space in terms of export-import operations, in terms of joint participation in transnational companies, etc., this is very important, and our internal policy, internal economic policy, internal energy policy, that is, the government, the government must form these long-term prospects

perspective, we will win sooner good but we have to prepare for different scenarios, we add to our conversation yuriy ignat, the spokesman of the air force command of the armed forces of ukraine, mr. yuriy, here is a question according to your information that the russians have pulled about 400 combat planes and 360 helicopters to the borders of ukraine, of which more than 150 are shock and military experts believe that this is connected with a change in strategy, they say that russia will control its land route to the territory of our state by aviation and thus oppose kaimarsam but i would like to ask you, do you know what, if you compare those figures regarding the accumulation of e-e military planes and helicopters near our borders with those figures that were, for example, as of february 23, at the end of february before the

large-scale invasion, which comparison was greater then or now you see more. you see , i want to correct two uh, such repairs , charging. someone put the word charging in a box and it spread all over the country and russia is charging. there is no charging. it was as it was. this is approximately the figure. that's why military experts in quotes, i would say that a lot of them got divorced. we need a little bit of them. well, also those who comment on something that is actually not there. well, as of february 24 before the invasion and during the month before the invasion er, the russian aviation had 450 planes and 250 helicopters of various types - these are airfields in belarus, russia, occupied crimea at the moment , this figure despite the fact that there are more than 200 planes and about 200