under what conditions how do they relate to and what happens with the admission of international partners we know everything i welcome you to the first channel in public broadcasting good afternoon, you were on our air not so long ago, at the end of july and i would like to start with the topic that was then the key topic at that time was the explosion in the deer park and the death of ukrainian prisoners of war at that time, you said in an interview with my colleague that in particular you sent an appeal to russia to find out the truth about what happened there. did you receive any answer yes indeed i sent my first official appeal to the ombudsman of the russian federation to ms. maskalkovo with the fact that first i was allowed to come there in person if she deems it necessary that she also be present there so that the whole world can see who really wants

an open investigation what actually happened there , the second was that i was given the opportunity to communicate with the wounded servicemen who were in the deer park at the time, and the third was that the russian side began the procedure of handing over the bodies to the relatives of the deceased who live in ukraine, unfortunately, i never received an official response. well, why was it one appeal in which i did not receive three points of an official response? after that, i communicate almost every day with the international committee of the red cross and with representatives of the organization of the of the united nations, according to their information that they gave me, at the moment there is no official permission from the russian side regarding the arrival of their

employees to the deer park. the investigative team in the deer park, is it correct? i understand that russia still has no answer to such a proposal of theirs, so publicly, the russian federation declares that it is creating the conditions for this un mission to come, in fact, this is not happening at all, we at the united nations have a lot of questions that is, in my opinion, an organization that was created as a result of the second world war so that the third world war would never take place and that no country could start its aggressive policy there, or if it starts there was a very harsh and quick reaction, in fact, what we see is that it does not cope with any challenges , what kind of reaction was there in 2014, well, in fact, there was no inherent one, and this, in my opinion, led to the fact that on february 20 and 24 in the 22nd year, the russian

federation began a new stage this war, a large-scale offensive, again, what was the reaction from the united nations, apart from deep concern, probably nothing inherent, so that you understand and understand our viewers, at the moment, according to the structure of the un, it is constantly operating in our country of the un monitoring mission in ukraine, this structure has been working in our country for a long time, a separate mission was created based on the decision of the un general assembly voted in april regarding the collection of evidence of war crimes committed by the russian federation on the territory of ukraine. i separately met with them for the third time as soon as e-e appeared information on olenivka, we are official as the ukrainian authorities, i, as an ombudsman, we appealed to the united nations as a consequence of the launch of the third

mission to investigate the events of volynivka when we were in they showed the whole world that look, the russian federation is not stopping, it is moving on and now it has reached the open main blackmail, and regarding the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, the fourth un monitoring mission was created to investigate what is happening at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant , i have a rhetorical question for the hotelier who came to ukraine yesterday, how much missions still need to be launched so that you actually start operating 100-200,000 at the moment when you and i are recording this interview p hotyarish is in odessa and i wanted to clarify whether he might have expressed a desire to go to the occupied territory to the same deer park and directly find out what happened there, as far as i know

. during the communication with our president volodymyr sench zelensky and with the president of turkey, erdogan, there was information that the head of this mission had been identified and should come to the deer park. more than three weeks have passed since the explosion in the deer park. we can already operate with some specific figures regarding who died there and how many of these dead people, since certain lists were declared in open sources, some azov residents said that they were partially confirmed. what is your information here ? to get it, we applied as i said, i officially applied , we applied through various a-a channels of communication with the aggressor country to provide lists, real lists of the dead and wounded, an official response

we do not have, we turned to the international committee of the red cross, which, based on the geneva convention, must also receive any information from russian labor, but the procedure for verifying these lists must be confirmed by the international committee of the red cross . there is no answer. the answer is that russia does not provide them with any information either. information, therefore, in legal language, i can tell you that at the moment we do not have confirmed lists of the dead and wounded in relation to those lists that hmm exist and were made public by mass media of the russian federation . the lists are

real, how is the process of finding out information about where and in what conditions are the defenders of mariupol whom russia captured, well, through different channels, this is primarily the work of our intelligence agencies, eh, i can't call it how it happens but i can say that these are quite different channels, different people, and because of the analysis of this information that we receive , we can say that it is true or false, but in fact we know practically everything that happens in the temporarily occupied territory. we do not we can establish there with 100% accuracy who and where of our prisoners of war or civilian prisoners are held, but the general picture in what conditions how are they treated, what happens with the admission of

international partners we all know the conditions are terrible and we have confirmed facts that more than 50 people are kept in a room of 3x4, and this is 12 square meters. that is, you cannot even sit down there, mass torture is not allowed. all these facts simply do not allow them to have a terrible relationship. in addition to checking, they are generalized, criminal proceedings are opened, specific names of servicemen of the russian federation are established. believe me all this becomes such an additional argument for the opening of a separate criminal court, a separate tribunal, which must condemn all the actions of not only specific military personnel of the russian

federation, but also the leadership of this country who gave the order, information appeared literally before we met with you from intelligence that on on independence day, the russians may be preparing a public trial in mariupol over some of the defenders in mariupol who are there, and well, the intelligence forecasts are very scary. what are the russians can launch a missile attack on this premises. is there anything we can do about this? well, regarding what will happen in mariupol, we really have data that it is possible that there will be a court case. parties, i can also say that i officially appealed to ms. moskalkova to intervene in the situation if she is an ombudsman and should respond to all these challenges and prevent

a repeat violation of the geneva convention. answers i understand what to hope for, hmm, there are no such big chances, but nevertheless we do it in the same way, we appeal once again to fix this yet another violation of the geneva convention, another war crime on the part of the russian federation, which was fixed both by the organization of the united nations and by international committee of the red cross. i think that they will create this picture, they are interested in it. it is necessary to raise such support for this war against ukraine. how to do this, it is necessary to show that you are not real some ephemeral nazis, fascists who are fighting against the russian-speaking people of donbass, look at them, they are terrible, how many atrocities they have done

and now we are judging them here, in fact, this is their main goal, i do not think that any rocket will fly there, at least i assess it as such a possibility as very low because they need to show a picture, this picture they will create, it is clear that this is additional pressure on the leadership of our state, that we will do such a thing with your military personnel , or sit down at the table and talk about the information that you are at the expense of the captured defenders of mariupol , a few days ago, the wife of denis prokopenko, kateryna, said in an interview with the public that according to her information, her husband was taken to russia, but she has no confirmation of this from either the state structures of ukraine or the international committee of the red cross. can you confirm this information? we cannot confirm the information

that he was taken out and we cannot confirm the information that he was not taken out. there is a serviceman, as well as groups of servicemen of the armed forces of ukraine , they take place through the international committee of the red cross when a question is asked separately by surnames, for example, when i contact the internationals, they tell me that we have received the request, but the information found. we cannot inform you, we only inform relatives, and here kateryna prokopenko complains that the international committee of the red cross does not contact her because of this, and she is not alone in this. i understand from your words that we rely a lot on the international committee of the red cross, but it looks like they are working as well. well, let's say there are questions about their work, it's not just a question

, they directly do not fulfill the mandate that is written in the geneva conventions, we only have one thing, i will tell you that this is a claim after a claim, but this is a real situation, but the real situation, for example , when i talk to them, i say well, then in your reports and publicly show that the russian side does not allow you, you do not even do that, as for the ukrainian side, you can check the state of compliance there with the conditions of keeping russian prisoners of war. here in ukraine they say yes, i say you have problems with this no , i say, then if ukraine creates all the conditions for russian prisoners of war for you, you can go at any time to check their condition there compliance with health conditions, keeping food , anything, why then you don't demand the same conditions from the russian side, well, they say we demand, i say so, there are no results in

that, and the meaning is that apart from demanding a-a, we don't see moving forward there but nevertheless i can say that we will receive there 10% of er from inquiries we will receive positive answers but even if we raise a global issue and if someone thinks that there the international committee of the red cross is not doing anything at all let's give up their services, he can tell you what we will automatically do for our citizens who are in the territory of the russian federation, there in the territory of temporarily occupied ukraine, therefore, first of all, we must understand it, fix it, demand that they legally, it was the international committee of the red cross that legally recorded the attitude of the russian federation to the implementation of the geneva conventions and raised this issue for consideration at the site

of the united nations, in my opinion, what can and does affect the position of the russian side, this is the first position of the un and they are very in my opinion, they do not want to raise the issue of, for example, removing them from the organization of the united nations, and friend - these are the armed forces of ukraine together with the help of our partners, mr. lubinets, i want to talk to you separately on a topic that seems close to you as a deputy until recently, but i don’t know how this topic is close to you, now i’m a kombudsmen, ukraine is a candidate for membership in the european union, and this potential membership includes, in particular, that ukraine should change its legislation regarding national communities is the author of the draft law, which as of last year was ready for national communities, meanwhile, a year has passed , it still has not been adopted, and such a demand from the eu is a year after the moment when the president was announced

about this bill and after the start of the full-scale invasion, you can see that this bill has to undergo some more changes, its development has been ongoing and it is still ongoing. i started this work in the 20th year, it has been going on for two years, but in july it was like two years when i was elected. i passed all my findings to the members of the specialized committee. i participate in the working group already as an ombudsman of our state. i see how quickly the work is progressing and i am sure that this year, either in the first reading or in general, we will accept this draft law is the most important thing. why is work taking so long because i approached it with the principle that before even registering a draft law, it should be discussed with representatives of national communities, especially with

those who constantly criticize ukraine's position that they are not consulted on this in the first place, i to the attention of the representatives of the hungarian national community i personally went to transcarpathia, met with them there several times, met with them several times in kyiv , so the process is quite difficult, let's say so. but nevertheless, in my opinion, we took into account fundamental things, and this is the creation of a separate state body created precisely at the level of the law , this is the creation of a public council under this body, this is the creation of the same councils at local bodies of local self-government, this is a separate term in the budget of ukraine regarding the support of programs of representatives of national communities, this is the creation of houses of national communities in in all regions and separately in places where they live compactly, that is, we have

a lot of new things, real things that they need, and in their lives, we will do it, you did you mention, did you mention the hungarians, forgive me. and i still have a question, what can the russians count on, and because it seems to me that this is such a spicy question now, in the conditions of a full-scale war between russia and ukraine, what will happen to the russian community in ukraine ? if the census of 2001 is to be believed, well one of the most numerous, firstly, everything radically changed in 2014, secondly, it changed even more radically on february 24 of this year, and i know many representatives of this national minority who, in principle, since february 24, even in personal life to communicate in the ukrainian language. believe me, this problem does not actually exist, this problem only exists in the propaganda stories

of the russian federation and in fact fall under the influence of this law, if it is advertised, we make reservations in the law regarding the aggressor country, this will be done separately, that is, there will be some for them a smaller list of possibilities according to this law will be a warning about the possible use, for example, of the symbols of the aggressor country. that is, in any case, we understand that because of something that did not just happen and because of what has been going on for more than 8 years, namely the war on the part of the russian federation, we must make such safeguards that will not allow the aggressor country to additionally use the theme of national communities against our state, so i think that there will definitely be a consensus here both among national communities and among the people deputies who will have to vote for it, the main problem from the point of view of the representatives of

individual national communities is the language of education, and i always speak before our international as partners in front of the representatives of the national communities, i show the position of our state, you know, it is easier to show by your own example, but i have never done it, you know the secrets of the fact that i am also a representative of one of the national communities, that i am greek, that i, as a citizen of ukraine, this is the most important thing that i should demand from the state of ukraine is the creation of conditions for teaching the language of national minorities and definitely the state language of ukraine, for example, in the city of compact residence, well, this is the donetsk region, were created the conditions when children study from the first to the 11th grade in the ukrainian language, conditions are created for the

opening of greek classes, textbooks are printed in greek at the expense of the state budget of ukraine, salaries of greek language teachers are paid at the expense of the state budget of ukraine, repairs are made to the filling at the expense of local self-government. therefore, the state creates conditions when a representative of the national minority there, the greek language is studied in the ukrainian language, but the state has created a desire to learn the greek language as well all the conditions that are happening in our country with the russian e-e before the full-scale war there was an opportunity to choose the russian language as the second terrestrial language to study it, again , there was no convincing after the adoption of this law, it will remain approximately in this form, we are now on the path of de-russification and in training, it is also reflected in the russian language, as i said. this will be a warning against

the aggressor country, again with all due respect to everyone, but we cannot avoid doing this because it is always a language issue, always with us it was used at first for political points, you know, we were constantly divided as the elections will not come , everyone only talks about the language, there are no more problems, you know, this is rhetorical, so i will give an example of the russian and hungarian national minorities, that is, it seems to me that all international partners absolutely support the logical eh behavior when in ukraine in a ukrainian school , citizens of ukraine study in the ukrainian language . hungarian national machines will er learn to learn the hungarian language but in parallel and now, as

the vision demands from us at the beginning, at least the representatives of the hungarian minority, they want that in ukraine, at the expense of the state budget of ukraine, in a ukrainian school, citizens of ukraine study exclusively in the hungarian language. please tell me if we talk about mirroring parity, then can i, for example, imagine when in hungary hungarian citizens can only study in the ukrainian language in a hungarian school, then i can tell you to say that there is no such thing in principle, the children of representatives of our diaspora study there in sunday schools and they are financed, as a rule, from a charity account, so one more question, literally, you mentioned that you are a representative of the greek community, and it really happened that the place of compact residence of the greek community in

ukraine, mariupol is currently occupied. in addition, we have a specific situation with the urumites who lived in melitopol, which is now also temporarily occupied. and what about these people? they evacuated. do they remain there or is there any? well, i don’t know any separate communication regarding them, in particular with greece, for example, maybe greece helps in some way, yes, there is definitely communication, those who wanted to leave, they left, many of them are now in the territory of greece, greece has created the conditions for accepting representatives accepts citizens of ukraine who have greek roots, so to speak, as it does, and a lot of our states, which sincerely support us, someone stayed in the temporarily occupied territory and such cases

there are us again. it probably doesn't depend on nationality, on belonging to this or that national community, it probably depends on making a personal decision whether to leave or stay in the occupation. it depends on the people of plubinets. the dismissal of your predecessor, lyudmila denisova, has not been fully discussed, and here you will be asked questions not only as the current bootsman, but also as, until recently, a member of the verkhovna rada and, in particular, the initiator of the same resolution on mistrust lyudmila denisova, tell me your version of the understanding of the situation for which you and your colleagues fired lyudmila denisova, well, first of all, legally, you are the initiators, the initiators were a certain number of people's deputies who collected letters regarding the expression of no confidence. and to the acting

ombudsman, these letters through a submission went to our committee, we are the profile committee, we held a separate meeting where i invited lyudmila leontievuna denisova to give explanations, we a-a unanimously made a decision in the committee, we did not voted no for no against such an initiative , we voted unanimously for the fact that if the people's deputies withdrew from such an initiative, let the ukrainian parliament determine whether it will support such an initiative or not, i can officially tell you, this is not a secret, when there was a vote in the session hall, i clicked the yellow button ago in the technical sense i did not fire anyone but again, the ukrainian parliament did it regarding the reasons for doing so, again,

as far as i know, people's deputies came out of that the facts that were publicly disclosed by lyudmila leontievna were not officially confirmed. well, there was also a claim about the sexual crimes of russian soldiers against ukrainian children that since the full-scale offensive of the russian federation on the 24th, most of the time i did not check this information, this is because according to the people's deputies, most of the time she was abroad. and according to the people's deputies, the boatswain should be inside the country, again, i, for example, have this point of view share and all the time i generally try to be exclusively in our state, the remark was addressed to all the deputies who voted for this dismissal, this remark was made in particular by the

ukrainian helsinki union for human rights that among the requirements under the legislation for the dismissal of a butzman, there is no such thing as an expression of no confidence that is, in fact, she was released in violation of ukrainian legislation. and we have a profile law, a law on the authorization of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on human rights, and we have a separate law regarding the maintenance of martial law in ukraine was amended there, where regulations were introduced regarding the possibility for the ukrainian parliaments of those heads of institutions appointed by the parliament to introduce a new procedure for expressing no confidence , from a legal point of view, according to one draft law, it is true that there is a separate special procedure for dismissal ombudsman, according to a different bill, there is a procedure for dismissal

, therefore, in this sense, conclusions should be given by the ukrainian court, if as far as i know, the same head of the ukrainian helsinki union declared that he would help ms. denisova if she were to apply to the court, please tell me whether or not you should apply, but again, it is the choice of each of us whether to apply or not . the information was presented by ms. denisova, who raised questions from the deputies then about these sexual crimes are somehow being investigated. this is a question of whether she really misinformed society, then there are already some results. innocence can only be said by the ukrainian court . i am not saying it is true or false. i am saying. at the moment, ah, i am doing everything so that all the facts are officially

confirmed. we will wait for the results of this investigation. thank you, plubinets, for this conversation . vidzisu let the text of the falcon our new superstar flawless sight every bird brings our victory closer good evening we are from ukraine transfer funds to the zsu account or by new mail transfer your trotro details on the slava website send your throne to ukraine by yew or nova poshta, details on the slava ukraine website