do you remember the process of giving ukraine the status of a candidate in the european union that is now close and emotionally, well, everyone's heart is here without any bag because it is about the future if the european union was fundamentally afraid of putin and everyone remembers there 13 - the 14th year of the maidan, as yanukovych was still forced not to sign the pps association agreement, in fact, the status of a candidate would be given or delayed in a slightly different way, around all the events and look for the answer in reality but i will return you, we started with history in such a small a piece of history in the 1967th year, a new nato report that introduced the very concept of deterrence, and this is a report by hagnel, or better to say garnel, because it

was the belgian minister of foreign affairs, and then they said that the policy towards the ussr should be based on two pillars, and this on the one hand, restrained continuation of stimulation, and on the other hand, let's start building some bridges, that one was called the english term deteries, and the other was called such a beautiful term, titan. now, in the last two or so months, eh, eh, nato, and in general, how are you you call it a collective event. it starts to put more and more on the first and less and less on the second , and now this balance starts like a pendulum and you in a completely different direction. our question is that, and our task is that he goes on and does not return, thank you thank you pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs

of ukraine, 14-19 years old, it became a little more clear to us and the hints were quite transparent and pleasant. i would say for any normal ukrainian, and we are moving on to the question right now. something here they printed it out for me and then you ugh good day i say to everyone i know that we have entered the global confrontation between democracy and dictatorships and even if the war in ukraine ends, we will have many more different shocks for many years and economic ruin in ukraine. they call me an idiot because it would be interesting, our opinion would be interesting, your opinion would be interesting, mr. portnikov. i think that we have entered the era of global confrontation between democracy and dictatorships. this is a direct quote from the article of the speaker of the house of representatives congress of the united states of america pilots washington post, which was published at the moment when the plane of mrs. polos and other members of the

american parliamentary delegation landed in taiwan at the taipei airport, she explained her visit to taiwan by the fact that such a global era of confrontation between democracies and dictatorships has begun, and it is true because we will be waiting for a lot of quite serious things, because authoritarian regimes began to understand that if they exist next to democratic regimes, they will lose, well, again, we they said absolutely right that russia's economy is the size of south korea no less less than holland approximately less a little less than the irish territory and the population is not a comparison is true and this is the chinese economy of course it looks different for this economy is based on cooperation with the western world and for china it is difficult to close the country every year it gets harder and harder because on the one hand there are technological ideas on how to close, on the other hand there are technological ideas on how to break through this iron curtain and it is clear what was wanted in

authoritarian regime that the democracies have come to terms with the fact that they, at least in their half of the globe , do what they want and it doesn't work out that way, but i don't think it's obvious that we can expect a lot of upheavals for many years to come, but i'm not sure that economic destruction in ukraine. this is a completely programmed option. i believe that if it ends in military action, if we defend our territory , if we join nato, that is, investors who will put money into our country will have guarantees of the preservation of your investments, then the destruction will begin . and just the reconstruction is the flowering of opportunities , because always when you rebuild the economy in an empty place, yes, by the way, it is very good that it will not happen in six months. for this, it takes time, yes, a decade, but it is obvious that, let's say, living in destruction is not programmed for ukrainians

, this possibility also exists, but you personally, ms. mr. yaroslav yaroslava ostrovsky, will feel it every day, if it is gold fever, then it means that six months of improving life is not yanukovych's improvement, new jobs, strengthening of the national currency rate, development, we are miracles of medium-sized business, this will all be the development of opportunities, it is clear that it was what there will be crises, it is not even necessary to doubt that we are in a crisis world , this crisis. i will even say when it will end, it will end approximately somewhere from 2050 because this is such a decade, but who said so? and by the way, we talked about this recently. who said that this crisis must necessarily end with the victory of the dictatorship? believes and says that the dictatorship has no chance to defeat democracy, i will add now, look here, there is

also such a psychology of the globe of people on the globe if we say that there are projects yes and here putin offers and and china offers a project he says oh if so then live like me oh i am a model of how to live if he will win, some people in africa, some states in asia, some people in latin america, well , there is an option, look, there is the american way, and there is the russian way, and it is not known who is better, as soon as he wins, for example, the democracy of such people will be scarce, you will not be able to prove to your people that let's be like russians, attack everyone and lose the war, it's somehow not very attractive when there was a soviet union, i told this, i was a sailor and we went to africa, in africa there was a complete conviction that the soviet union and the united states are the same and when i told the africans that in

it is impossible for the soviet union to buy jeans, he did not believe in me because it is possible to send, if possible, these are the same countries, the usa and the ussr. if russia loses now, no one will want to be like russia, so i am afraid that these are the eyes of the crisis we are a little bit, we are panicking a little here, in fact there will be a crisis but not such a crisis, a crisis not a nightmare, just a little nightmare do you have something because i have something or what is someone called thank you for your work, you understand the usa does so much for us and we will fight , we ukrainians too, but we wanted to so that there would be a lot of weapons for a hurricane worthy of others for us and nowhere, brother, except for the west. so when do you think that the western countries would dare to have a larger number of weapons, if mrs. iryna would show mr. biden where this is the

place where these weapons lie, no one believed until 24 numbers in the possibility of a great war, no one prepared for it, no one believed, no one believed. well, they believed that in six months you will still make a tank and you will not make 100,000 machine tools, you will not make them in six months ago. the orders placed now are now starting to work at full capacity american and not only american european different factories, as vladimir the slav is called in our year, breaks down on our burn. therefore, we have to understand that he is not there and when the germans do not give, they often just procrastinate, i agree here, but i say not in our country if we give everything we won't have it we can't give it all to you because we have 150 guns if we give 150 communities we won't have a single gun left, well conditionally yes i'm saying this that's why it's not there physically because

western countries have always been preparing for war nuclear, they didn't understand how there could be a normal war between a nuclear bloc and a nuclear country, then that 's all, all these missiles to be introduced were exhibited in europe by traders, all this to show what you see, you don't attack us, we attack from us, we don't there was even an idea that one of the nuclear ones countries will attack non-nuclear countries. well, it is not clear what to expect from it, and this is a completely new political situation, a new historical situation, because when there were zones of influence, the soviet union, let's say, had zones of influence in hungary, czechoslovakia, there were attacks, then no one was going to protect everyone, because after yalta, everyone agreed with what is with you and everything in the 91st year. the very idea of ​​the call was influenced by the influence collapsed and it was believed that the factor no one attacks anyone anymore because the cold war is over, there are no more blocs, it is too defensive the union is not a threat to anyone, it is building its relations with the

russian federation, agreements, russia, nato, the commission, russia, nato, we agree on everything, we act together in afghanistan, it is for nothing, what kind of base is it, how is it the base of the afghanistan flight, there it was in russia, we do not threaten you if you want to be in any country to join nato. it's not against you because they want to participate in our defense union. it's not against you because they want to have a common security system for various reasons for various challenges and simply keep their army and have a common army for everything is cheaper. yes, of course. and by chance it turned out that it all collapsed literally in a matter of years, but in fact, even when georgia was still there, everyone thought no , it did not collapse . a war must be found, a negotiation, a negotiation modus juvendi, all that bullshit, you understand and suddenly

it turned out that this is not all bullshit, that russia is actually ready for war, that russia means to conquer the territory of other countries, and everyone is looking at it with wide eyes because, in principle, everyone lived in a more or less normal economic situation, the economy began to revive after the coronavirus and the western russian economy, it is obvious that these two economies needed each other and that putin literally shot himself, even an innocent person, and everyone else's head. it is not clear to a western person in principle, because now is not the time of territorial empires, no one understands what russia is really getting ms. iryna, go to the internet and look at the number of armed forces in europe in 1988 and look at 1900. for example, in 15 or 16, just tens of times, not twice. it was hundreds of thousands. it seems to me that before

the attack there were something like 40,000 in all the nato 8 years. because everything ended macron, death , moscow and donald trump spoke in an unclear manner, why is this alliance needed, what are we doing together with you, who are we working against? yes, listen, i would like god to show me in 90, somewhere in the sixth or seventh year, i was already working on television, i invited some military expert and asked him and why is the army in ukraine now leaving me for a few minutes, i can already see how they throw, how they break the tvs i was there, this recording can be watched somewhere yes yes and i just killed him with questions for half an hour and 26 minutes, no one attacks anyone, what are you talking about, you are a crazy person the army is not needed at all, we have entered a new time, a new

era without an army, well, somewhere in america, a little bit somewhere in china, but this is so secondary and never listen to ukrainian dissidents who were in russian prisons, i remember it now and again levko lukyanenko and vyacheslav chornovil said a new age, a new era, the soviet union has lost, it will not rise up, it will give freedom to the peoples, the peoples will go to europe, europe has won goodbye soviet, soviet past, what we are seeing now, everyone knows that and if this happens, putin will stop and will say long live ukraine, they will not understand them the zombified brain will not stop from the desire to destroy the naughty cool yes and no i agree with this yes and i agree there will be some gap anyway because the russians are so we are used to obeying, that the first period they

will say, well, they said in the kremlin, the end means the end, of course, if putin loses, there will be nothing. if he loses, it will be. i ask this all the time. if he does not stop and loses, then it will be, but then again, what we klimkin was told that the consequence of the defeat should be the weakening of the systemic weakening of russia, and only in this case, when russia will be imposed with external control, i repeat, not independent russia, but with external control, when they take the destroyed mausoleum of stalin's monuments eh so that's what stali wrote e-e short course vkpb these are all the words actions inscriptions street names of something something complete decommunization complete derussification well , that means i'll show you so decommunization is complete complete complete complete and then it's just like

once do you remember us they even discussed non-food with you, and i believe that nuclear missiles are necessary, that is, to bring russia to a state where there is nothing to eat and say, do you want to eat food, we need atomic rockets, you need food, there is no other option. you just have to squeeze them out of them this entire thousand-year-old empire from the games, does it make sense or will ukraine be able to in the current conditions, mrs. ingredien is asking from germany to turn around the production of its own weapons and ammunition, mr. miryana, someone told me that there are some bunker tunnels, it seems , somewhere in volyn, the honor of this is in the ussr, where it could be installed and assemble equipment to produce military products my opinion is that it makes sense. to be honest, i am not an expert on tunnels. this is the question i just spoke three weeks ago with a close friend of mine. he explained to me that i will not

no geographical names can be named now. but there are such names as the one where some russian bombs and missiles are constantly flying, and they don’t fly there for nothing , because there is even a potential that will allow ukraine to quickly make missiles that can fly up to 5,000 km, they are not nuclear there is no nuclear charge, in short, but they can fly 5,000 km, and this is beyond the urals, that is, the potential is there. we must stop the war and give an opportunity. i think that somehow we need to talk with the turks and with the americans and with the british, and you can with the swedes and you can with the norwegians because the potential of ukraine is part of the ussr. how is this not only a granary, but also a weapons store? this is a place where a huge number of weapons were produced for the catastrophe of the ukrainian economy in the 90s. that is why this is an indicator of when it all

collapsed. because all this was produced for war and it can be revived again, i remember how kuchma was the president, when they wanted to give up nuclear weapons, i talked about it, he shouted in the verkhovna rada, these are mine, these missiles are my children, i produced them. i have no way out. we will have to to give them here and here i am almost quoting it, if only the mood and words that were used then in the distant 90- some year, i don't remember from the third or fourth . also, how do you advise our government to behave, and with the march of thousands of rpc believers from khmelnytskyi to ternopil oblast and by taking photographs , i gave a video recording of everything that happens on the way . oh, i try not to get into religion at all.

absolutely religion, this is a rather strange statement, i agree , it is absolutely strange, that is, it is not even about spirits , francis. how can a priest, of course, feel sorry for any civilian, but the question is that there are tens of hundreds of thousands of killed civilians in ukraine, and in russia - it is e- the dead woman is one of the propagandists of the war of murders, and the crime is essentially, if there was a nuremberg tribunal, she could have been one of the participants in the principle of this tribunal and, together with other russian propagandists, she could have been imprisoned for many years because she performed this role and it must be clearly understood, and it is absolutely obvious that no ukrainian special services were involved in the murder of the arch, that this is the work of the federal security service of the russian federation, which is thus trying to

depress the situation in russia itself . it looks like both sides are killing civilians, that's what it looked like unfortunately, i'll tell you this, i thought about it yesterday and this morning, can evil be defeated by good, but i have the impression that it's not possible if it works like this and even when you said this phrase now that it's not ours and i say and why not on and why nothing no that's another question but there is should be everyone has the right that they can not do it that they just logically see that it's nothing nothing good will come of it for ukraine, this is one point of view, and the other point of view is the enemy, there is war, and if the ukrainians will continue to treat their enemies condescendingly, turning the

other cheek after hitting one at a time, then we will lose, unfortunately, there must be kindness who are you with fists we are taking for sale fists are words of the editor-in-chief of the newspaper, our magazine site, our contemporary, if vinnistically, stanislava kulyai konyaev, it is so, many other people did not use it, but it is forbidden to use the tact, because it is one of the gazils, the authority of totalitarianism, which i consider , i will insist on this, you can take different positions that good always defeats evil with good in what sense that good always follows the procedures that good and this distinguished the activities of the soviet majority in germany i say the 45th year of the 17th year if they didn't use inhuman they would n't have won but the problem is that their enemies also used inhuman they lost it was the

same they didn't use the procedures because there against the bolsheviks there were no uh he didn't have more time which also wanted to act authoritarian method and when it went bad again well, it appeared that whoever had more power and even won the occupation zone in germany in 45th, we know how the soviet troops behaved, and how they killed without trial and went after those whom they wanted to kill orders by the power of blackmail and the americans and the british and the french in their zones who acted in the cases of the procedures, they proved the crime, of course we know that when we are talking about some people who are obvious war criminals like eichmann, who is escaping in an authoritarian country that is not going to extradite them, even if again after all, there were always discussions about the legitimacy of this matter, but it was correct and masad did not take him, brought him up, did not kill him in argentina, his vessels with the participation of witnesses, and if they proved that he was not guilty, well

, just like it was during nuremberg, who was released they just released someone and hanged them somehow someone served his time in prison and got out because there was no evidence. by the way, it's a beautiful story, speer, you know your history, the minister of hitler's construction and then the minister of armaments, he already at the end you admitted that he was not involved in and did not know about mass crimes and his only uh and less i think he came out no more than 20 her memoirs were a very popular moment he died and then after he died i didn’t just know what happened there was a meeting on lake wenceslas where decisions were made just for sure solution of the jewish question, and there was a specific group of people who voted for it, it was a typical

agrenocide who was voted by the participants, and there was shpyl, he voted for it, but it could not be proven then, if it was not proven then, it was proven. you understand what it is. but look at italy, we stand on the border because when there is a war it can be like this and it can be a little different, we can't war is war we can't be clean and fluffy i am convinced that there are people in the ukrainian army who violate the rules of war, they are just ten times smaller well, against this question, you can answer him, what is the formal difference between the trials of prisoners of the russian military and prisoners of azov, for the population of russia, it is possible to try prisoners before the end of the war, here is a question for you, which is not necessary, that is, you have to answer, but you cannot imprison prisoners. we were tried as a prisoner of this russian who would kill the civilian population. well, there is definitely a difference here, after all

, russia was not burned by a mine. russia, we are trying people who came here with weapons and killed civilians national russia judges military personnel who defended themselves against aggressive troops on their own territory and all this difference and who defended their civilian population, although the russians will prove the opposite, but this is fake because they invented the donetsk people's republic, the people of donbass, all kinds of nonsense come out of these paradigms, but the reality is to fulfill it means that our procedures are more accurate than no, well, here it is obvious that i am even saved here, but just keep in mind that this is not about such complex questions, there are no simple ones answers from nature to simple to complex questions there is no option taken share as he taught us comrade who are there schwonders or sharikis here are some of them so i don’t know i don’t i don’t i always find it difficult to discuss religious issues i

always if no well let’s look at this is not a religious year, but there is a ukrainian orthodox church that said that it is not a church of the moscow patriarchate, but from a canonical point of view, it is a championship . in order for it to become a truly canonical orthodox church, it must receive a tomos to join another tomos, it has not done any of this, even though there is a tomos from the moscow patriarchate and the macedonian church of the patriarch of vicev, the ecumenical patriarch does not recognize it, but at least macedonian says we have no relations, serbian she recognized independence, the russian church did not recognize independence, the ukrainian and ecumenical patriarch does not believe that it is an independent church, and she basically canonical as it was under moscow as it is and here we see these tens of thousands of people and what i want to show our dear viewers if you do not see

ukraine as it is, in fact, you will be in a state of shock all the time well, ukraine is as it is yes, there are believers in ukraine, but this church has many, many hundreds of thousands of millions, just like this, and it is always a question of how interfaith dialogue will develop. what why, what would i do in a position of power ? understanding that the way out - it is in the creation of a single orthodox church in ukraine and that this church has a legitimate tomos from the ecumenical patriarch. this is how it looks canonically and state policy, if you remember that the church is separated from the state, state policy is precisely what , from the point of view of the stability of religious life in ukraine, should contribute to this dialogue at the highest level, so that there are no illusions that here on ukrainian soil, after this terrible war

, the church connected with moscow will actually be able to act with any number of believers, and then this would give ukrainian the orthodox church that it wants to be a ukrainian orthodox church is an extra incentive to look for ways to such a dialogue and the orthodox reunification because the orthodox church and the orthodox uoc are canonized, or from the point of view of rites , and everything else, nothing is separated in the separation the only thing that unites this church is that this church received a tomos from the ecumenical patriarch. and this church does not recognize this tomos and considers itself independent, but there are no canonical grounds for this, and i will add and you mean it is a very long way if someone thinks that a dialogue will begin and tomorrow he is in 13:02 end with some kind of peaceful agreement , then this is not true, it may be years or it may be decades, but all the same if they sit at the same

table, it is better as they beat each other not at the table. therefore, you must always understand that in general, in church matters, a century is moment and that there is such a situation that it is obvious that if the priesthood of the ukrainian orthodox church does not understand that it is not possible to play autocephaly without having a canonical opportunity for this, it will be, it will lose the congregation, this is also a reality. yes, but again, it is years of course, they won't lose it, not all of them, yes, it won't be like that, and we all need to be patient not only about this, but also about the fact that we have to realize that ukraine remains a very complex society, and this is also such an absolute reality. i don't understand why we think that the war changed everything in one day. the

war changed a lot from the point of view of ukrainian society's understanding of the real danger, and a lot of things have not yet changed and will not change in the near future, of course, and we will be able to talk about real changes only then when the hostilities are over, we will understand what happened, what really happened, because many people who have remained true to their views, now when rockets are flying, they simply prefer to remain silent, and there are those who, listen, i had a friend who told me about a fantastic case of a russian tank driving near kiev then he comes to this person with the russian tricolor and the neighbors say, look, russia attacked you, no, no, the ukrainians hung up the tricolor of specialization, here they are driving and you won't prove anything, well, you know that teacher bilchenko, remember she is so physical turned out to be a russian agent who contributed to the occupation, she absolutely clearly believed that the russian

troops were liberation troops and that she should help them seize their own country and then fled to russia. thousands and what was the soviet who the soviet union let's be honest russia and was in essence yes and that's all so what for this football to say goodbye to say thank you all now we have radio freedom freedom the word is provided by radio freedom and we congratulate complete shutdown of all power units of the zaporizhzhia npp for the first time in history, now one of them has already been connected to the network, but the rest are not working the day before due to shelling, the occupied station was completely cut off from the ukrainian system, the cities in the south of the country were left without electricity, volodymyr zelenskyi said that russia has put