came up to her and said, dear lady, why did you lower your head, raise your head, go boldly, go proudly, your son is doing a very important thing, and so on. dissidents became possible already at the end of the 80s, when the threat of arrest disappeared, i know what mr. miroslava is sorry for and what i will ask you about now, whatever bitter question it may be. repentant evil and that's what it seems to me there was a lot of unrepentant, unrepentant evil in ukraine in the last 30 years, and this is one of

our big moral problems. the up soldier was called ivan honcharuk, and ivan honcharuk was shot on july 12, 1989 in kyiv. i am very interested. this is because at this time in july of 1989 , we ukrainian students were already walking and singing upa songs around kyiv, and this person he was convicted a second time , he was already alone for 10 years, he was already punishment and he was resettled again for the second time and by the anniversary of the october revolution he was shot in kyiv , why did i remember this story that the judge who

sentenced the potter to death retired only in the sixth year. and even now, this judge receives a pension of over uah 200,000 per month let 's say dissidents, er, mykola matusevych was, er, there was a very famous story about mykola matusevych or vasyl ovsienko, a human rights defender, and they are both co-founders, together with you, of the ukrainian helsinki group. the attitude of the state towards people who, defending the values ​​of the idea of ​​the independence of the country, gave the best years of their lives to exile and to exile and to er and to struggle do you think about these

things sometimes er do you or do you not it seems that this is actually not an unpunished evil. well, first of all, i would like to answer specifically about this case with pensions. i personally thank god for the fact that i have the necessary minimum wage so that i do not stand next to e trash can and didn't pick up food from it, but eh, i thank god for that, i'm not right, and that's why er, if you already know how to refer to the evangelical er truths, i don't know if i have the right to everything in this situation, but i would say so, i'm more er worried about the question of whether i will have gifts in

heaven er, and here er- on earth, i personally don't care much about it, but what is important for the state is not for me, not for other dissidents, but for the state. it is important that we be print ensured the principle of justice and what you are talking about, that our uh-uh can be said to execute our uh- the ill-wishers are the fact that they have hundreds of times more pension than the fighters for the freedom of ukraine only proves that for 30 years, well, until almost recently, the ukrainian state was, after all, in the ukrainian ssr under

blue and yellow flags. and now if we talk more broadly about what you said about not punishing evil to the prime minister of estonia, who recently stated that the current crimes of russia in ukraine are the result of impunity for the crimes of the communist period, we dissidents, this joint appeal was issued from it was estonia , lithuania, poland, romania, and the european union then she gave another interview, and there she

formulated it very clearly, we talked about it a long time ago, i mean dissidents, a former political prisoner, and in particular, iosyp zisis and i talked about it. was condemned as an existential evil, communism was not condemned as such an evil and today we simply have a reincarnation of this system with many, many identical features and in the world today it is not popular to talk about existential evil russia i can accept this thesis only in one sense er, i am convinced that god did not create er, criminal

nations, because there are none, it means that when a child is born, he is not, er, born a criminal, but a people can fall into the devil's clutches, a people can become the incarnation of evil, the incarnation of the devil, and what is happening today in russia er, it is enough to watch russian television for a few hours to see this face of the devil and that's all. and from here the conclusion is, er, no, we should not destroy er, the russian people, as er, nazi germany sought to destroy the jewish people, which they announced existential evil, no, but the state is the imperial

state of russia, the state that they have fallen in love with for i don't know how many centuries it has existed, such a state must be disintegrated, it must be integrated somewhere. and by the way, it's not mine this is not just my opinion, this is the opinion of my russian compatriot from the camp of volodymyr balakhonov, and the opinion of yakovlev, a well-known russian publicist, that the entire paradigm of russia should be changed. i think that what you are talking about is very for a long time, the world resisted. well, we will say the western one

the world was so resistant to equating the crimes of the communist regime with the crimes of the nazi regime, obviously because not only because the world was fascinated by russian culture, but also because the mystery of the russian soul, but because the ussr was the winner together as allies in the second world war because there were attempts in 2007 on the 9th of the year, there were some resolutions of the european parliament, there were attempts to equalize, but somehow it was not supported, it did not work, the world was blind before what are you talking about before this devil was born, everyone saw it. it happened in front of everyone. since russian propaganda worked as a collector and then this person was born, what gives you optimism to believe that uh, now, uh, when when denazification in the russian federation is impossible to carry out, because in germany

, identification was it was carried out as a result of the fact that the allies entered, occupied, and thus entered the territory of germany. does it give you optimism to believe that it will be possible to do it, and not russia will be in the usual isolation for it, and this devil will only continue to strengthen two factors give hope, the leader is the heroism of the armed forces of ukraine and in general the entire ukrainian people, we all believe in our victory and we will win it, i am absolutely convinced of this. so this is the first factor, the second factor is vladimir vladimirovich himself , he is doing everything what can he do to re-educate the west? if he had acted differently,

if he had behaved differently, if he had not been so brutal, the west would never have started helping ukraine with such weapons as he is helping today. napoleonic soldiers and then the second world war, everyone in the west of europe there is an instinct that everyone who goes to russia will be punished in one way or another, the loser army shows that this is not so. and the ukrainian army shows that this is not so. i think that these two factors with on the one hand, this uncontrollable blind pride of russia, the kremlin, in general, they are perfectly

educating the west, step by step, precisely with their arrogance, their cynicism and their nazi guts, there are already many articles about this, and by timothy snyder and oleksandr motyl a lot authors he already talks about the nazi interior of today's russia, yes, the topic, the assessor even talks about 10 points. so why, why, why is russia a fascist state? yaroslav, i want to ask you . regarding the trial of the trial in mariupol over the soldiers of azov, but first i will generally ask you about the human rights organizations and what will happen to them, what is their

perspective after our victory in the war. after this war, after your arrest in 1977 year the worldwide human rights organization emnost international has taken you under its protection as a prisoner of conscience. and here i am exactly 45 years old. when i was preparing for a conversation with you, i deliberately counted exactly 45 years, and the same organization will call the ban of soviet communist symbols in ukraine and in general, the ban of the communist party of the communist party of ukraine is persecution, suppression of the freedom of the country, and a prisoner of conscience, calling the pro-russian propagandist ruslan kotsago, who called for resistance to the mobilization of ukrainians even so how could this happen in 45 years with the organization of the

international, in your opinion, i knew it at one time when i was protected by this organization. i knew it as an organization with a moral and a moral, first of all , platform because the call of the founder of amnesty international, benenson, to not forget about the prisoners who did not call to violence but they were arrested, don't forget about them and support them in every possible way to seek their release, there is no ideology here, there is a purely moral platform, and that's how i knew this organization later , er, in the 90s, closer to the 20s, until the 2000s and beyond

this organization has undergone an internal transformation , so uh, this main goal of protecting prisoners of conscience has faded into the background, and the members of this organization have been permeated by uh, the ideology from which the entire western civilization suffers today, namely the ideology of relativism, everyone is equally guilty uh everyone bears some kind of guilt. there is no good and evil in anyone, so it’s just such an opposition. there are different shades of gray. and this ideology of relativism destroys the value basis of european civilization. it hurts me terribly to look at it. terribly, i just suffer because in the camps we

always talked about the fact that the soviet union is an anti-civilization and there is a civilization of ethical principles and this is europe, the countries of the west. today we see that this ethical purity of this western civilization has been significantly eroded and the initiative group on december 1, which was created on the 20th anniversary of the referendum for independence, to which you are a member together with other ukrainian intellectuals and moral authorities, you appealed to public political figures of the world regarding the show trial by the super defenders of mariupol, which is planned by the russian federation in mariupol

, they are setting up cages for this, and you say that with this russia violates not only the geneva conventions of 1949 , which guarantee the rights of prisoners of war, but also violates its agreements, and this time we are talking about agreements with the international committee of the red cross and the united nations, which promised to exchange prisoners of war, and the defenders themselves and all of us, ukrainian society, believed in these agreements and took them as guarantees, and you say that the red cross and the un should be responsible for this, so i want you to talk about it, in what way can organizations such as the red cross and the un, in your opinion , take this responsibility if they just discovered that this agreement was simply terrorists for us, and it became obvious that we simply

continue to tolerate a situation when western world institutions such as the un or the red cross allow themselves to be participants in some agreements first, and then when these agreements russia violates saying well, in fact, we did not promise anything, it is very dishonest because the presence of these organizations is perceived by all people as the fact that they are the guarantors of compliance with this agreement , otherwise, uh, otherwise, their presence does not make sense, they are not spectators, but they are participants in that agreement and

their by name, they certify that these agreements correspond to a certain international principle. so , when these principles are violated, they should clearly state this and not raise their hands and say, well, we can't do anything here. and that's why we used quite a strong statement, namely that at this point, after such a long period of russia's war in ukraine, western institutions should mention such a concept as honor, in addition , the united nations should withdraw from under the

inertia of the current existence of the current format, which has already ceased to correspond to the realities of the world, what i mean is the un security council, the states in this council are called according to the idea of ​​the creators of the united nations, they are called to take care of world peace, what does one of the members of this council do brutally starts an unprovoked war in europe. what is the united nations doing? well, thank god it managed to condemn the aggression, but how can you further support the institution of the security council, which is completely

paralyzed due to the fact that russia has the right of veto? so this right of veto is at least the organization of the unification of nations must come to the conclusion that this veto right must be overcome by a majority in the organization of the unification of the nation by a majority in the general person, because as it is in the world, there is a right of veto of the president on any decision parliament is like that in normal democratic ones, but parliaments can absolutely veto it with a majority of votes. this is how the organization of the united nations should act, but again, they only throw up their hands. well, what are we going to do against the nuclear power of russia, this is helplessness, this is actually this impartiality, we actually come to

the fact that there are human rights organizations, there are international security organizations, we feel what it is, what it is, an institution that demonstrates orderliness, ah, my last question for sure, eh, will it change? how do you see the future of these international organizations that are now essentially paralyzed after our victory, how will they be reformed, refounded, how do you see them again, as you say, knowing the concept of honor? i am generally convinced that the world will change after this war, no recognized er i am convinced that the world is undergoing er a very significant transformation, the current security institutions that actually cared about international compliance with international

rules, they will be reformatted i don't know how, but i know what's next so er you know here we actually saying and called on the western countries to realize that it is impossible to return to the previous system of international security, russia destroyed everything, it needs to build a new security system, and in this new security system, ukraine, i am convinced , will occupy a very honorable place, an important place, what will this security system look like today, say it is impossible because we are participating in the so-called phase transition, it is impossible to predict

what the world will look like after that, but i assume that it will take into account some cultural lines more some cultural spheres, let's say let's take a look at what kind of initiative britain is showing today, how it is already trying to form some kind of alliance with the baltic countries, poland and ukraine. enter, namely nato and the european union. it is quite possible that they will undergo their own transformations. so we are just

watching and preparing for new roles for ukraine. i hope that we will be able to get the role moral leaders, first of all, because now we can talk to the world from this position . myroslava, i thank you very much for the conversation. i once again congratulate you on the independence day and all the viewers on the independence day. glory to ukraine and glory to ukrainians to the armed forces that thanks to which we can talk celebrate and plan our future all the best thank you glory to ukraine thank you for being with us next next wednesday we will see you in the program proper names in the kharkiv

region 16-year-old liza mandych, a girl who lived in the village of kivsharivka, which was occupied by the russians at the beginning of the war, and it was then that the connection with the girl was cut off all this time without losing nadia, her friend is looking for lisa. she is very scared, so they said. of course, it is scary that there are planes flying there, and they are very close. well, to russia, if it were a cuban district, the mother of lisa's friend also joined the search, and the woman told us that the connection with he was lisa only in the first days of the war, and then he disappeared altogether in connection with her, she did not go anywhere, she was not on instagram, she ended up on all these social

networks. and for three whole months, there was no news, until suddenly, at the end of may, the girl made herself known and wrote a message and then she appeared suddenly on may 27, literally for 5 minutes, sent two such messages that i was in the lpr and going to a vacuum, that is, whether she was being deported or she was with her parents, she did not write anything, and the communication was interrupted, therefore, from may 27 and until now connection with liza is not there. however, her friend and her mother do not stop searching and say that very important information recently appeared, which really inspires hope that everything is fine with lisa. liza did not contact her, but her friend on instagram did. i wrote to her and she said that lisa in kivsharivka is fine with her. well, at the same time, i don't know why my friend sent flowers to the phone, and lisa's friend also searched

for a man on social networks who now lives in occupied kivsharivka, and he also claims to have seen lisa at my request he went to her house and also claims that she opened the door for him and that everything is fine with her, that is, two people have already said that liza is allegedly at home in kivsharivka, but at the moment this information is not confirmed, because at least there is no photo or video on which you could see liza, so her friend asks the residents of kivsharivka, who can see this program on social networks, to also check whether lisa is really now in kivsharivka and the girl names the exact address where lizarivka lives, the first microdistrict, the 31st building, the fourth entrance - the ninth floor and there is no apartment number, but there is a door on the left and an apartment on the left, so look again. this is the address where liza mandych lived and maybe lives now. if you have such an opportunity, please come and

check if lize really lives there, if the information is confirmed, please be sure to take a photo or video with lisa and send it to us on the facebook page of the child tracing service or to the chatbot of the child tracing service in telegram of course i really hope that lisa mandych is all right she is at home but there is no way to get in touch for one reason or another, but this information has not yet been verified and the girl can actually be in any corner of ukraine or even abroad, so i am asking everyone look carefully at lisa's photo, she looks 17 years old, height is about 160 cm she has blond hair and gray-green eyes wears glasses by the way, we also found lisa's instagram page, but her account is closed and it is unfortunately impossible to write her a message, so if you have seen lizomandych or know where she might be, type

from any mobile operator, the short number of the child tracing service 116,000,000 calls to our hotline are free, or write to the child tracing chatbot service in a telegram in the cockpits of airplanes behind the monitors of radar stations at the control points of anti-aircraft missile systems at thousands of combat positions throughout territory of our state, they are bringing victory closer every day. kudos to the air force of the armed forces of ukraine. congratulations dear tv viewers, the news editor has already