this territory is not yours. if you want normal relations with the civilized world, you must solve this problem. i am donets . congratulations, congratulations , mr. volodymyr, we are glad to see you, well, let 's try to understand that it is very bad or very, very bad from the ukrainian economy from a social point of view, because we already understand what vladimir putin is betting on is not the exhaustion of ukraine, and this is not military exhaustion, but this is also an economic conclusion. so it means that a lot of people would be out of jobs . social decay, these are the three. i would say that the kremlin is betting on whales, in addition to the occupation. is this possible or not? what is happening with this now and what

can be opposed to it? well, i would say that the worst from this, it is precisely the loss of human capital, because if you believe the data of a sociological survey conducted at the kyiv institute of international statusology on the order of my colleagues from those ukraine, then about half of the people do not plan to return to ukraine or even plan to leave ukraine in case the military threat , that is, here the question is: either we defeat russia in such a way that russia disintegrates and no longer poses a military threat there, or at least we have a few years there to join nato, fall under the protection of the fifth article, and live as our neighbors from the baltic countries live now, or ukraine is really turning into such a territory. well, it is possible that there will be desperate

resistance, but not economic prosperity, because if such a number of people do not even pollute ukraine, but simply will dream all the time about what to leave , i.e. will not plan his future in ukraine, then this is all enough for the country to be stuck in its development for many years. well, at least i think that half of those people who they want, they really want ukraine, and then we will lose prospects for further growth. there is such a rather unpopular opinion, well, at least among the population, that in order to maintain the situation , it is necessary to reduce state expenditures, for example, to reduce the salaries of the military, to release public servants who are now in one way or another employed in e- well, they are not involved in work, for example, there are schools that have closed

, extra teachers should be sent to the employment center on the other hand, then unemployment will increase +6 unemployed people must also be received and they have to receive money in the employment center, for example, a kind of closed circle emerges, is it possible to somehow stabilize this situation? is there any way? well, here, in fact, there are no good solutions, that is, what will really save our economy now and i really hope that it will save in the future. this is help from our partners without it, a country in such a situation of such a large-scale war with such losses simply cannot hold on to such examples of history. i don’t even know that ukraine in such a situation could hold on without hyperinflation without a complete collapse of the economy. that’s why here

we have to rely on them, on the one hand, on the other hand, we really need to cut government spending. well, i don't think that's the case. it's a situation where you can cut military salaries, on the contrary, the salaries of the military should be the same as the salaries of all those who maintain critical infrastructure . those who are not doing any work right now are the same teachers, if we do not resume the school year from september 1 teachers, if we do not resume the school year from september 1, then they can really sit on some temporary jobs benefits or something like that, but the question here is really not about them. here, the question is actually how to ensure enough income in order to

at least somehow get the level we have, but what about the business, actually, right now? oddly enough, it continues to pay taxes and the only way to maintain more income, this is the attraction of international loans from the mornings, er, here is a step, well , there is no such good way to take it. somehow it is from the air, so to speak, er, from the heavenly manna to fall on us, unfortunately, such and, of course, it is necessary to optimize state expenditures, because in many cases, uh, we know that state money is not properly registered, it is spent by inefficient expenditures in the same education

, health care, etc. therefore, many programs have been prepared to optimize state expenditures, including the state apparatus which some promised to twist so as to cut spending on it twice, but you have to understand that the state apparatus is also only 2% of gdp, that is, to cut it twice. i mean spending on the apparatus itself and spending on it 1% of gdp is not something that can save our economy now, you know, i talked to a group of businessmen literally this is my weekend, they own large enterprises and some medium-sized ones and we talked with them about the duration of the war and they all told me well you say that there can be a long-term conflict there, and what should we tell our employees? we have a social function. we create jobs

, these people work, they receive salaries. activities in ukraine that they should work, have the opportunity to work, should not leave well, i tell them, well, that's all good. you have to perform this function, but there is just one simple question . and if you can't ensure the sale of products, if you don't have a profit, you won't be able to fulfill a social mission by receiving these people. you are not lukashenka, who in belarus simply makes stockpiles of warehouses. because russia simply gives him money to receive a huge number of enterprises that no one needs, and i would say 75% of belarusians this is how it works, it produces, it is unknown what it is unknown for, but it lives with russian money, well, we don’t live like that. can we live like this with western money, this is the question. it is possible to produce that he can build money in

order to receive the unemployed, but for the production of god he will not give money, but what the west and our government can do and should do is to do the logistics in order for our enterprises which e- e met the products for export could it to supply it in the future, despite the blocking of the ports, despite the fact that there is no air connection. now, unfortunately, this problem is outdated and i know that mustafa nayem wrote many such positive posts about what he is doing there, but there is a queue of tens of kilometers of trucks at the border with poland who can't cross the border and right here , the question is to what extent everything is being done or not everything is being done in order to speed up this

crossing of the border in order to e-e open up these logistics bottlenecks so that these entrepreneurs you are talking about you say they could continue to work. well, in ukraine , there is sales. well, it may have become smaller, but on the other hand, we got rid of imports from russia, and those businesses that competed with russian suppliers, on the contrary, now have a good situation, because despite the reduction of the domestic market, they received a larger lower due to the fact that their competitors have disappeared, in addition, we have demand for the same military personnel who have high salaries, they spend them, they transfer them to their families who spend them, therefore the biggest problem here is precisely in export, well, a lot has been said about it, but in

my opinion, it is the most important thing that the state should do for ukrainian business now, volodymyr, in the context of the recovery of the ukrainian economy, they are now very actively talking about the new tax concept, they call it a joke, everything is 10 e-e, i will explain it to the audience that the essence is to reduce the corporate income tax rate on income and on added value to 10%. and increase the e-e tax and the military levy to three percent, and actually there are quite a lot of critics among them economists - it also caused in the public sphere , including that you think to what extent such conversations about such plans are real in general and what is behind such an idea of ​​such taxation well, i told you that it is necessary to talk about it, that is, what is this idea at all -hmm, i did this with such a reaction and

now a lot of discussions have started on this matter. it is good, but the idea itself seems unrealistic to me and not very well thought out, because well, a tax on the income of citizens at 10% of the tithe is what we should strive for, but how much is it it is realistic now, well, we have recalculated many times into such a reform and it still does not look, joy, realistic, although moving in this direction requires a 10% tax on the profits of enterprises. well, the main thing here is not to replace the tax insert, but to replace the mechanism itself. for a long time we have been talking about the transition to taxation of only distributed income, that is, only income, and hmm, during this time, poland has already switched to this system , and this was promised by each of the candidates,

zelensky, poroshenko and tymoshenko, they all promised will they do it, and so far it has been developed by the ministry of finance, er, some circles are related to the ministry of finance, the imf, some circles, most of all, some colossus of ukrainian business, which are all those who have special interests here, and the tax authorities are madly saying goodbye to this, because the question here is precisely that today order and profit, it is paid per day. well, vat is of course a very problematic tax, but it should be reduced as a last resort, because budget revenues have to come from somewhere. we think that er it is worth reducing taxes in the states there. if he wants to do so, and if we speak responsibly, then 10%

e vat is irresponsible, especially since there is a european directive to which ukraine has already joined, which says that the rate should not be less than 15%. well, in general, it is better to establish a really normal vat administration here than to reduce the rate, but for this you need to reload the additional one. and this is where the whole question rests. there was such a minister, oleksandr danylyuk, who tried to join the tax department, he finished by the fact that he was fired and, er, our finance minister, neither before him nor after him, they do not want to quarrel with the tax office, because they have their own interests there, and they are very powerful, and unfortunately, unfortunately, with great regret , but uh, so far, we cannot add i am happy with this. by the way, yaroslav zheleznyak, from his voice, also

thinks that all this is more than just talk, and he said that, for example, in the draft budget and in the budget code and in the tax changes that are currently being developed for next year, nothing is said about such plans. and the ministry of finance says nothing about it they hardly know this and the nbu and the initiative are also not interested in the word, it's more chatter. not even anything serious. thank you. volodymyr dubrovskyi, senior economist, ces ukraine, was in touch with us, an expert of the economic expert platform, we are going to take a short break and return to you in a few minutes, wild creatures are not able to choose anything else and we in ukraine like to choose everything,

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the saturday political club vitaly portnikov talking about important events of this week, vitaly, we will probably start with independence day, and at the same time half a year since the beginning of the russian war in ukraine , there were 189 air alarms during that day in ukraine, their total duration was 14 hours a day , we spent more time in alarms than without them, but in your opinion, was there any real military sense in this, when you keep the enemy in psychosis, this is also a military sense. you are reminding of your presence. that it was different, there were cities where there were alarms and there was no shelling, and there was a tragedy in chaplin, where

25 civilians died, among whom there were children among the sources of the wounded. so these were real alarms, although of course there were a lot of simulated alarms, that is when it is not alarming, this is the wave of russian aviation when they did not release missiles because they no longer have so much left, as it was somewhere most of their arsenal, somewhere around 55% , they can already be said to have used high-precision missiles, they have even less left in according to the principle of freedom of hands only in the nearby territory , where there are soviet weapons that allow you to hit objects at a distance of 20-30 km. unfortunately, our border towns can be in the affected zone for the entire time of this war, they will try to destroy them as much as possible, we see what is happening with

for our unfortunate kharkov, it is just life under constant attacks and shelling. of course, these cities, which are further from the location of russian troops, are only hit by such large, high-precision missiles, primarily from these there are already fewer missiles because if you are, say, in the central and western regions of ukraine, you feel it less than in the eastern and southern regions, but it is less than in kharkiv or mykolaiv, but this does not mean that it does not exist. and it is absolutely obvious that the russians will continue to act in this way during throughout the continuation of this war, you cannot win the war with missile strikes, but you can remind of the presence of the war and what is the idea of ​​the russians, we talked about this with volodymyr dubrovsky, i will tell you that it is depopulated well, if you are in the e-e zone of 30 km, you can even not

to think that you will leave ukraine, but you will leave this zone, you understand, once the state of israel decided to act on the territory of lebanon and the lebanese war was with us and for one simple reason it was not needed, it was the territory of lebanon. it did not want to interfere in the ethnic conflicts that were on the territory of lebanon is interfaith, but it was believed that if the israelis support the lebanese christians, who in turn will have difficult relations with the muslim population of this small country, they would secure a certain amount of territory there kilometers and their north, their northern areas will not be from the constant shelling of the lebanese aviation and the aviation of those radical groups that were there and for a certain time it was like that . in the immediate vicinity of extremist e-e groups that are used in the gas sector, and here, too, we cannot create a

security belt on the territory of the russian federation such a security train that the israelis created in lebanon or the one created by the armenians around karabakh, but now this security zone does not exist after the victory of azerbaijan in the second carpathian war, and we see that military actions are constantly taking place and both countries are constantly in a state of such a very close confrontation, which means that at any moment it is possible to start new hostilities there, which in principle russia was certainly striving for when they became such, as the author of this second conflict said, and there are rather dangerous prospects for us, of course, because without an end to the war on the one hand, these attacks will be three missile terror on the entire territory, on the other hand, they will reduce the area where normal life can be, but now we can see for ourselves

30% of the territory, parks, kilometers of the territory from the location of russian troops, look at the borders on the contact line and see which territories will gradually get rid of people, come on. look at the issue of mandatory evacuation, it is already taking over not only donetsk oblast , kharkiv oblast, but also zaporizhia mykolaiv oblast, that's right i think iryna vereshchuk talked about this when , let's say, a few days ago, these are the territories that can be under fire, which means that the enemy can have infrastructure there, which means that it is no longer possible to winter there. well, in donetsk region, in particular, problems with water have already been announced that there will be no gas there and there will be problems during the lighting season, that is why people are leaving there. of course, this is what russia is trying to achieve, because the more territory there will be without ukrainians

, without population, even if they are not in this territory if they occupy the territory, they will not occupy it, then at least it will be a territory where people cannot live for a long time, and if russia does manage to make some kind of accident on the nuclear power plant, well, there is a sense in this with the logic that we just talked about. it can and is. well, such an accident the ussr is a risk for russia itself, because no one knows what happens after a nuclear accident, you know , everyone now compares it there with focusima, let's say you can't even when you're sitting there in putin's office and say, we're going to arrange such a small accident in order to scare people or there to deprive them of energy and so on. you don't know what the extraction of radiation will be. where will it go, again, completely plan the movement of the air at this moment, and if it does not happen at this moment, when you have proposed everything, and something will not work out, as you

planned, russia so often it happens to be known and it will be 30 minutes later and then all this all this cloud will go on russian territory or on the contrary they will go on the territory of europe, you already know that western parliamentarians say that this is an attack on a member state, that is, to create a nuclear explosion that will go to our territory and it is not known how the countries will react politically to that. some say it is an obvious violation of the fifth article, others say no, it is not violated, because it is not a weapon, but how to qualify it, you understand that a nuclear accident is not at all what we imagine when we talk about it we are talking theoretically also because we saw the chernobyl accident prince you did not see and i saw in the conditions of the soviet union when dear comrades spoke on soviet television today, specialists went to the

chernobyl nuclear power station in order to is with the causes, that is, of a difficult situation that took place the other day, well, there is also such a thing, and we listened to this information about what actually happened on the voice of america or on radio liberty or on the bbc, and people in the west well, not only in the west, in other countries, even in in the countries of the so-called socialist camp, there was a television, there was a geographical map, and people were shown live on the air where the radioactive cloud was moving, but people sat and watched and fled from those cities where she was supposed to arrive in an hour or two, so that they could not be met and it happened all over europe from the soviet borders. that is why, in principle, the soviet regime was inhumane even there during the gorbachev era, because in principle they should have shown this map on central television, because this is the cloud that came from ukraine, it moved through

the territory of belarus on russia and in the direction of moscow are considered to be russia according to legend, but until the moment when it got to the very capital of the soviet union, because it has always been a privileged city, it could not survive this and then, on the other hand, the concentration of the population is completely different from that in other cities of the soviet union, and it is, of course, cloudy, uh, there were some sediments with radioactive elements in the regions near moscow, and these are legends-legends, but you can just see the size of the oncology hospitals that started there to build after chernobyl in the tula region in order to understand what it can really be. this story has the right to be true. well, everyone now knows about chernobyl from the tv series, but that’s how it is. that’s why it can be, let’s say, a completely different world after in case

about this accident, i would not advise you to treat it like this. how did they treat it? well, the fact that the russians are bringing weapons and military equipment there remains a fact, and now they still agreed. last week, a mission would come to the zaporizhia nuclear power plant megate and now our spies in the nuclear power plant are saying that the russians are increasing the pressure on the personnel of the nuclear plant. well, probably in order to keep them silent about and crimes and violations a-a or other pressure that the russians apply to our workers, russians in general, any children of the stalinist regime, who are everywhere considered

spies, saboteurs. well, you have to understand that if you yourself can sell your own mother for money, that is, i consider everyone else capable of doing it for that, i always remember dialogues with kgb officers that that's what the youth, when they came somewhere to the journalism faculty, that's why they were like journalists there and they talked about dividing the world into gay kgb officers and non- kgb agents. i told them, do you think that there are no people who would not agree to cooperate with by these structures of yours that there are decent people and they said that such people do not exist well, if people live in such a world, we understand that they all live in a world, then they are a kind of reality, which means that they still consider everyone who disagrees to be an employee. are you with them? we are ukrainian agents of the special services , why don't you want to be an employee with us, because you are already an employee of the sbu and you are laughing, and

they have such a, well, a very intelligent person will not morally go there to study and work. do you understand that this is a special composition of the head? your opinion in general, is there any way to force russia to leave the nuclear power station because the magat can achieve this who knows we have been waiting so long for them to come to this station radbezon too how much can he force russia to leave the nuclear power station you too can't find a nuclear power plant - it's such a simple situation that they stay there because they believe that even if the ukrainian troops manage to successfully counterattack there, it's doubly