we understand very well, voice it again, voice it out that they are ready for negotiations, they really, really want to conduct these negotiations, they are going out there to the west through various secret channels . but a large part of the russian elite understood that it will not be possible to win against ukraine, a loss means the destruction of the russian regime; in fact, the victory is theoretical, which means destruction, since it will not be possible to seize more territory to get tens of millions of ukrainians who will fight to the end means a loss, and the russian regime that started this war realized that it is in a situation where money is a loss, and they will seek to secure some new

status by means of an agreement with the west. quo and therefore medvedev's interview - this is another passive event of the event. and for the time being, the answer is today. tomorrow, the meeting is unofficial, well, how unofficial it is. a decision has been made to finally cancel the simplification of the visa regime and all russians will be filtered, not banned yet, but filtered, that is, there will be clear filtering, who should be given, who should not be given , how much to consider the application yes, as much as we want , as much as we are considering the documents, we are replenishing all of you, we are monitoring you in the european union, it already sounds more serious, so scare the event in fact, no one will succeed in moscow, and the fact that medvedev was involved in it and putin didn't do it well, in fact and he

really says, i don't know if this is a function zhirynovsky, but this is definitely not the function of the decision-maker of today's moscow, well , mr. pavlo, you mentioned this informal meeting of foreign ministers of the european union, which is to be held in prague, and about the restriction of visas or the suspension of the agreement on a simplified visa regime with russia part of the countries of the european union categorically insists on this , including the baltic countries, the scandinavian countries and poland, but still there are countries that say well, no, no need . yes, with the russians. we have to deal with them in a humane way somehow to fix it, because you can’t bite everyone under one roof, what do you think? will this affect those in

ukraine? it won’t affect it, it will have an effect on a narrow layer, where even now there are fewer and fewer cars. once there were four or so millions, now there are hundreds thousands of those who drive are mainly people who earn money from the russian regime, the snakes of the world bypassed the photo in the helsinki er sweat, where is the bentley they have er, what else do they have there, i don't remember er porsche well, that's it it is difficult to explain something to people, although it is definitely possible to hit a man the european union has its own logic, and this logic is also right, they say, well, let's start to strictly filter who we want, and this is now a responsibility and a challenge for national

security, but that's where all these earplugs came to see the kupali cathedral in fact, what to poison the violinist and so on everyone on everyone that's why the hairstyle is clear but at the same time the european union and this is a good start to the discussion about the future of russia after the regime of russia after putin's russia although it is not the same and also of course after the regime after putin, let's say it directly again, and they want to work with the russians, well, they say that and if there is a future for russia, who will we work with there, it is impossible to work on the territory of russia now? says they were appointed there as foreign agents well, that is why the european union actually thinks that someone should be let in and someone is running. thank god, because they are running, it

is clear. tomorrow the european union still has to accept yes, he is too weak, they are late and everything is completely understandable but nevertheless, the progress is that the european union maintains its uh solidarity, and on the eve of the cold there, on the eve of autumn, and putin so hoped that he would blow up all those with gas will be and the european union adopts new sanctions, therefore, in fact, this is a good opportunity to show that we are not afraid and left and went somewhere further away, therefore, the story is actually positive, so insufficient. yes, again, we would like to have it earlier, but none the less it is positive and we should continue to push her to talk about the

sanctions and the fact that they should absolutely sneeze at the sanctions, dmitry medvedev said again, forgive me for apologizing so much to you, that there is so much medvedev in our conversation, but well, since he took on the role zhirynovskyi and we in ukraine quite often underestimated what zhirynovskyi said. i remember that 15 years ago he came to kyiv. i was at his press conference. well, as a master of the conversational genre, he was simply unsurpassed. he could well have performed somewhere in stand-up. because well, what he said was funny, but then , when certain periods and certain situations did not come anymore, it was not laughable, in fact, this is what medvedev says about sanctions and what to spit on these sanctions, we will hear the position of president

putin and we, their comrades we are citizens of russia, we serve russia well, we must also add that we are all together, putin and we are comrades will be responsible for what we do in ukraine, this bravado is from the fact that they feel their impunity, that what they do is impunity or they all the same eyes with bravado they are trying in some way to demonstrate that, well, do something else to us. and we will kill ukrainians even more there and, in general, we will turn the east and south of ukraine into ruins and more . sanctions, well, this is a standard position inside russia for someone, uh, it is

standard for someone, it goes inside, we are cool here on the island of russia in the middle of the civilized world, uh, it is interesting what he says, uh, even in relation to putin, medvedev, who was the president, he says we serve, and right now, we serve means russia is equal to putin, that is, we serve putin. well, everything is as it was today, and people served as they served, as they serve. that's all you need to know about the mentality of today's russia . sanctions, someone expected that western sanctions would work harder on russia, i expected that they would work, but for a certain time, mainly in the medium term, because in russia they turned on the

handle, control over capital and, in particular, smuggling, strictly controlling flows of capital, it seems, formally, it balanced the macroeconomics, but in fact, we also understood what is happening, they are trying to pull different so-called parallel imports, but hmm, you can play with the economy, you can play with the military potential, what are they doing? but technologically, they will go to the 20th century well, what can they do, well, in fact, nothing, the future is technology and urban cities are running after russia, not all, but a large part of them are running, uh, technologies, but uh, putin said, let's develop our own well, what maybe russia with a potential of 100 or something million

people and the number of people there is decreasing and now they are dragging our citizens and most importantly our children , you know how, in ancient times, some nomads like the horde came there and captured women and children , do they do the same thing ? that's what the difference is with the horde and their mentality has remained post-traditional, they do everything the same, that's all and the case that bypassed our social networks when one of the russian militants is holding there whose rp says that it's like zazovstali this that shard that's all for mentality, this is not the west or the east, this is a total horde , and as it should be considered, and they sow sanctions, they will still sharpen like scumbags, no one will remove them, nothing will really work with them, all logic will not work.

they are returning to the middle ages in mentality, returning in the state system , they will return gradually well, no in the middle ages, but in the last century and in the sense of technology, and that is why i am absolutely sure that this is nowhere an empire that did not have a chance. and in general, there is no right to exist in the xxi century. by the way, you mentioned this story from stand-up so-called stand-up ukraine has already appealed to the united nations through a video with the supposed remains of a defender of azovstal, because it is not completely clear whether this is a true story or a lie, but what they did on this stand-up with the skull, er, which was in the hands of the russian mercenary igor mangushev, this is igor mangushev, he is

the founder of a private e-e military company. in the footage that was previously circulated on social networks , he claimed that this skull is the remains of a killed ukrainian army and declared that russia is waging a war with the idea of ​​ukraine in his speech, the founder of a private military company created on the basis of the russian nationalist movement did not skimp on other anti-ukrainian people. today he said that ukraine should be ukrainized, all those who consider themselves ukrainians will be destroyed, and in the context of the future court in general, i am so i understand that russia has not given up on this, they are building cages, they are creating these cages in the mariupol philharmonic orchestra, they want to hold a show trial over the azov fighters in russia, azov already this court is recognized as a terrorist organization. i understand that the so-called court will be held by the

panel of some court of the so-called dnr, well, that is, they will be completely outlawed in conducting eh this eh-eh scene, the demonstration scene of the sentencing of the fighters of eh azov like this one ukraine can react to the situation. whom can ukraine ask for help so that this does not happen, because in the dnr the so-called dnr and lnr can be sentenced to the death penalty. they are outside any law. i think that here we should act together with our allies and everyone, even if someone has something to do with the law enforcement agencies, whether it's russia or

donetsk luhansk, or whoever i believe that it is necessary to sit down with our allies and say that if you start another block of sanctions, if you continue to advance further, that is, for each step forward, they should receive so that they feel it, and this is the best option, of course i support formal appeals to the un and so on but i believe that it is necessary to act here quite hard and quite consistent well, of course, they have to understand that the acting er-er, in such an animal horde sense, they give others both the political and moral right to fight er-er fight to the end and one way or another it as a world letter, it will all

come back to you, but first there must be a clear strategy of action together with a measure of what they get for each further step volodymyr zelenskyi on the eve of this court because at least the announced court stated that if this the court will take place, the final path to any negotiations between him and the ukrainian state under the russian federation with putin will be closed, we know that 10 days ago the un secretary general met in lviv, the president of turkey erdoğan and zelensky, and then the turkish press wrote referring to his sources that mr. rajep and mr. erdoğan will offer zelensky to meet with putin after erdoğan

flew to putin in sochi, there was a certain conversation, and the results of this conversation are verifiable are unknown, but it is obvious that the president of turkey still does not give up hope of arranging a meeting with zelenskyi and putin either in ankara or in istanbul . can this meeting take place and is this meeting with zelenskyi necessary now in the situation in which we are now ? putin and the russian regime need first together from the west and a surprise from a position of strength, if we feel that we can speak like that and the situation in the area of ​​hostilities on the fronts will show this, then this is one story, if we will have the option of delaying, then it is another

story if we will see the readiness of the west to raise the stakes. this is the third story. therefore, now deal with uh, what is predicted, because it depends on many factors, uh, it's not that such a thing is ungrateful. it's just not worth it from the point of view of emotions and what is happening. concerns turkey well, it's really not a secret, they want to organize a meeting, they want to be an intermediary between the west and putin, they believe that they are the only possible option today, they feel the desire, i don't know about putin, but the exact part we have just heard that the russian elite and medvedev are also beginning to speak further, and because dan

wants not to lose this moment, and this is also perfectly understandable, but it is emotional to negotiate with the russian regime when the rockets fall there when when we see what is happening in donetsk. well, who will lead? well, no one will lead, but such measures of emotional pressure will be actively applied by russia. well, it is clear that the direction of the entire railway is from moscow, and that is why i currently do not see what we can talk about with russia a peace agreement with these regimes. i don't see it at all. i don't imagine it in principle. i assume that there is a war. maybe there will be pauses with cease-fires with some kind of talks, but it will go on until the moment that this regime exists, because it wants to destroy us, what will happen with some kind of future russia, when it will be, it is another story, but this regime is

determined to ensure that we do not exist, we do not exist as a country, we do not exist as a nation, there is no history of our language. nothing, we just quoted it and the entire ideology of this empire is built on the fact that we are not there and we is and we proved that we are and we fight for what we are and we will be that's why we will be because we look to the future and they look to the past and they will not stop any attempts to destroy us and they understand that it is completely er right in no way they don't get victories, they don't get what can be presented as a victory, and this is exactly what part of our western partners fear, they fear escalation from putin's side, but you see that it is less and less. by the way,

vladimir putin no longer trusts sergei shoigu at least that's what british intelligence says , independent russian mass media recently reported that because of the problems faced by russia against ukraine, the russian minister of defense serhiy shaigu is now removed from the russian leadership, then british military intelligence says that they are fighting in ukraine, they report to vladimir putin, putin does not trust anyone and believes that he is also losing his position in the armed forces of the russian federation. everyone understands that, right ? otherwise, everything boils down to a few people in russia who are trying to continue waging war against er ukraine, or whether, mr. pavla, the moment will come

when the west will understand that for the future of the world, for the future of the er nations of the world, it will be easier to remove putin from power than fight with these numerous sanctions and do something that is still ignored by the leadership of the russian federation, i will show you about the extreme measures that the world may or may not go to, but if a person terrorizes the whole world and threatens nuclear weapons or with a nuclear explosion on the territory of another state when he brazenly ignores all international norms, isn't it easier to just do as happened with bin laden himself, first of all, i don't think that everything

boils down to putin or a few people look at the polls . look at how the russian elites work, and we see that even those who hesitated there at first said why the war, they still want victories. they still want to make money in this axis. these are people of a completely different mentality, you and i. only what they said is the horde, that's the postardinian mentality, it's even a mix of it with the byzantine mentality. it's their sense of empire. how does the byzantine mentality converge with the horde mentality . no, putin will be someone else. and why do we think that he or she

will be better? and if several people are removed from this solitaire, well, they will be replaced by something else, that's why i don't see any personal possibilities to somehow cope with this regime . this mode must be rebooted into which we are reading the form, it will not disintegrate or russia will disintegrate or it will be a new form of the federation or a confederation or something else at all non-trivial it may be all all possibilities are actually available er and therefore talk about the fact that it will be possible to solve this issue there by somehow removing putin, i am in it i absolutely do not believe, we must fight systematically, we must fight against this regime, which will always threaten us, and as long as this regime exists, there will be

danger. and if there is danger, it will be very difficult to ensure the development of the economy, free, calm a safe life for us and our families, the nation is ukrainian, and therefore our only one. medvedev sang about the security guarantee, and our security guarantee is full integration into the west, complete, i emphasize, and fast, no matter what it costs, if it is even necessary to break the last remnants of the post-soviet mentality there this needs to be done now, many things have changed for many ukrainians. they see what the real russian regime is like, they see the price of our efforts, our struggle, we have not only to enter esenati quickly, we must become an integral part of the event, and let them stay where they are, but the bottom line. they have to reload, there are

no other options. and no matter who we talk to there, we should speculate about the possible successors who are named there . but putin will 100% try to make it so that it was unexpected for everyone, anyway, this regime is a collective animal that wants to eat ukraine, and this animal cannot exist at the same time so that we feel safe and independent, because you did not say before that carthage must be destroyed therefore, this nedoi empire must also be destroyed. well , at the end of our program, mr. pavla, i wanted to ask you about the coming winter, because now we see how the price of russian gas is rising on the european

stock exchanges. in some fundamental issues, it is enough, it must be enough, because if it is not enough , then they will grab themselves and say that putin eventually squeezed all of europe and what is the russian regime look at his economic the power of demographics, everything there is and what europe is, and if putin is able to squeeze europe, then what is this europe really worth, the fact that we will have many challenges, the fact that there will be many difficult tasks, well, there may be some social unrest, but putin does not it will be possible to reset the political elite of the west about what he once said on the topic of a

speech in st. petersburg. and this and litera will definitely reset the ego because this russia. today, it is a fundamental danger for everyone, but the key point of reference is december when there will be sanctions on pan-nafta, when putin will lose a significant part of the revenues. of course there will be other export options, they also want to go abroad if there is an agreement on and they really want from other countries, but they just won’t succeed, so it will last. i believe in this on an optimistic note, we will end our program. thank you, mr. pavlo, for participating in the program. this was pavlo klimkin, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 , a politician and diplomat. goodbye until tomorrow until 1:00 p.m. tomorrow i will be visiting the former foreign intelligence service of ukraine

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