um, it can happen or the pope wants it, he talks about it. he has worked, he speaks openly , and i think that there is something here too. i support andria yuroshev because it will be useful for ukraine. i would also like to talk in general about the fact that the church is not only catholic a maybe in general in the conditions of a full-scale war, this is what you see now from the side of the various churches and the steps they are taking. is this the maximum they can do in these conditions? religious world it is motley, it is diverse , and in different countries there are different positions, someone understands what is happening in ukraine if we talk at an international level, but the vast majority does not understand, what do they

do, they help there with humanitarian aid if they give one or another material support, then exclusively, again, for such charitable causes, and we understand that ukraine is one of the largest countries in europe, which has such a rich religious network, we are the largest orthodox country of the world if you add up all the orthodox and all branches but we are the largest greek catholic country in the world, we are the largest non-protestant country in eastern europe, we are the largest baptist christian country in europe in general. especially the hasidic eh all this suggests that ukraine has eh i would say so eh

sure influence in the world on eh thoughts on the consciousness of eh believers and in other countries much less productive work here in slagamsk world and this they have a problem because in the islamic world, especially the traditional arab muslim world, russia has always had a great influence, we have practically no influence there, and our communities are muslim . well, with the exception of turkey, they do not have such strong positions, so use the potential of non -religious organizations in ukraine and the world need it, and i think that we need to work on it , that is, when we talk about how the church can influence the course of the war on some aspects

related to the war, we are talking about what first of all all ukrainian religious communities need to influence on a more global level. and this could somehow help solve some aspects if they feel responsible. many of them do not only feel the responsibility of the day, but also confirm it with their deeds, and many of them did not believe in different denominations, again at the front there is uh huge help from christian and muslim communities also at the front and the volunteer movement also uh religious communities don't have powerful quite powerful i know personally, there are a lot of people who are working for our victory, but one of the churches in ukraine needs to be strengthened - it is the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, and from its side, we see some very ambiguous steps

, one of the latest stories, which i was personally very impressed by the fact that the head of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, metropolitan onuphrius, met with russian prisoners of war in the kiev-pechersk lavra . over justice to a certain extent and rather not so much mercy as the understanding of this mercy do you understand any er value er it is one way or another in our consciousness each of us may be revealed differently and er this position ukrainian the orthodox church, which was in unity and is still in unity with the moscow patriarchate. although they claim that certain processes there seem to be breaking down, although we have not seen such real steps, with the exception of the

council that took place at the end of may. it is necessary to understand what it is when we talk about the church as a whole, it is necessary to understand that it is not a monolith. that means that there are different currents. well, like in any organism, a living organism, i know what is there and i know these priests who stand in a pro-ukrainian position they help, again, and at the front, they also help in charitable activities there, even to the same refugees, immigrants , and they raise the issue of a complete break with the moscow patriarchate, and the establishment of a dialogue with the orthodox church of ukraine, ah, you are correct a part is spoken and it comes from below. so when they are not heard, then they come there with their parishes to the orthodox church of ukraine, and there is a bishop from above, a

bishop from above. he is in such a state, sleeping, half -asleep, in such a state, because to them, he is like her what do they think they have to lose? they have concerns about the dialogue with the orthodox church of ukraine. why? well, first of all, because er. during this period of the existence of these structures, er, the language is hostile, or the non-christian preaching of love has become dominant, and there is no openness to other christians. such that how are they? and this language is expressed or something that is not a christian position at all. they in- they would say that they received this bacillus of hatred from the russian church and from the russian orthodox church and they can no longer get out

of it because you understand. if you are during for a long time, someone was insulted, then to establish relations, er, to break this mistrust, well, it is extremely difficult for many bishops to this day , er, ties with er, with moscow remain, and this also affects their position, that is, the movement is more intense and down in the middle believers among the common people part of the priests, i will say that all parts because there are those who became collaborators and took a different position are completely indifferent to these processes, they are waiting for something. well, there are pacifist organizations in ukraine, for example, jehovah's witnesses . yes, but even they even took the

ukrainian position and they tell me what happened there and to the guys at the checkpoints, and jehovah's witnesses, together with the bible, brought e-bander smoothies that they prepared do you all understand the pacifists? what does this say about the fact that changes are taking place, serious changes even in such organizations, and here it seems that the orthodox church, which never forbade the taking up of weapons when, in the traditions, yes, it had calls to defend its land and here, we see that there is such a position from the episcopate, eh. well , first of all, we do not hear them in the messenger and we do not see any decisive steps towards the necessary break with the sms-moscow patriarchate and dialogue with both the orthodox church of ukraine and the ecumenical

patriarch, instead we see a meeting with russian troops and this is offensive. this is really offensive. moreover, we can simply tell our experience without being in captivity, and there in the torture chambers and in the basements and in the death row, and not a single orthodox priest which is there, as well as the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate in the occupied territories, none of them came to us to political prisoners, none, do you understand ? to my liberation and they wrote back there, er, they wrote there, in addition, the wing wrote back that it is not our business, you see, this is a position that, on the one hand, shows a kind of mercy towards those who came

to our land and killed our er friends, close relatives. a completely different position regarding our prisoners, you said about the hatred of the russian orthodox church, and i wanted to ask how you see the role of the russian orthodox church in the great war that russia unleashed against ukraine. i believe that directly why the first the very ideology of the russian world, and the co-creators of this biology are the russian orthodox church and patriarch kirill, and he emphasizes this and constantly talks about it, he is one of those who created this man-hating ideology, which in fact does not promote any mercy, it only promotes destruction of any other identity with the

exception of this mythological russian one and this is the same material that allowed many priests and even representatives of the moscow patriarchate to call those priests this ideology and because the ideology itself became the foundation for the russian invasion of our lands, firstly, and secondly, that they take an active part in this and actually kill ukrainians , knock them out because they are ukrainians, because the main goal is the destruction of ukrainianness, destruction of ukrainian identity and why do i constantly emphasize that this is not just an armed war - this is a war, the value

of this is an existential war - this is a war between the values ​​of the future, the values ​​of our freedom, the dignity that we defend and the values ​​of our identity against the values ​​of the past, as i stand on the positions of the russian empire and the russian church, and these values ​​are not life, but the values ​​of death. in your opinion, a regime based on such ideologies can last for a long time, well, history says that it will not last long. why well, first of all, because any ideology yes , it er lives a short historical time short er the idea itself is something that lives, ideology is when an idea dies and a mandatory view of the world is created well, as we see in russia yes for all citizens that is

and your a-a thinking e-e which may not coincide, for example, with this ideology e will be a problem for you and any thinking person is a threat to the ideology and that period of e transition to a totalitarian system begins, especially such as fascism as fascism and e now we are witnessing the period of the agony of fascism, and if the system cannot negotiate with another system, and i use war, this speaks of its weakness. russia is a weak state . in your opinion, this view of the world will last as long as putin rules. talks about what he can survive because the problem is not only in putin, we have often said collective putin collective putin and

such a one has already formed i would say the professional circle of putin and the ideological part and the population that is already sick of putinism sick why is his imperialism like bacilla, don't actually think about your people, and in order for this people to be satisfied, you need to talk about a certain greatness and uh, in order for it to be um really uh understandable for the population, this greatness must have confirmation in certain actions, the war in the empire is only one argument, the war, and it is precisely this moment now, and hm e is leading it for its residents, and it is not for nothing that they constantly now, the same medvedev and others, say that either we will win or russia will not exist, that is,

they, even they they feel the threat that now exists for them, and for me it is really agony, well , in the end, i want to ask in this regard how we can co-exist with the russians . us task for ukraine well first of all we have to learn the lessons all wars are already the final lessons to uh first of all we are doomed to live with these crazy neighbors next door we need a strong army we need national security really national security at all levels uh we have to raise the profile of the people so that the specific weight of people who do not take responsibility grows, that is, work

to ensure that there is a civil society. we need a dialogue between the government and civil society, and then we must move faster to europe and to move towards nato more quickly to have this security umbrella and work to increase the consciousness of our people, there are definitely problems, we see in the occupied territories those problems of collaboration or of people who live simply indifferently, it means that we have a huge task ahead of us, and for civil society, first of all, together with the state, we must be partners, and only then will we really be not only not the ones who will ultimately win in russia, but we must to win it at different levels and we will be

attractive to the world in this way we must be interesting to the world eh and we in this way give educational thank you for this conversation we will intercept we will win we will win what you don't news together we are strong fear is natural you don't choose to feel it or not but only your choice what to do with it will it win or will you turn it into righteous anger anger that will ignite the heart and give strength to move forward, this fear is in us because we have something to defend at such an incredible cost, but great freedom cannot be

gained at a small cost. every step we take today is a step into a happy future. each of us is here because we tamed our fear and learned to manage . they made him an ally, if it wasn't difficult for us, but it definitely won't be a shame, we'll enslave us, we'll resettle , we'll win, and the news of the shield together, we're strong , joking during the war is normal, because it's reassuring, while panic is on the hand of the enemy like this opinions of stand-up comedian vadym dzunko. he is one of the hosts of the cultural defense show, during which he and his colleagues not only joke, but also raise funds for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, just a surge in the popularity of ukrainian stand-up, successful and unsuccessful jokes and performances in front of the military, olena remomovska chatted with vadim dzunko about what the standard is cool in that the person who comes out tells about himself and partly the audience

recognizes himself there, if, for example, we laugh at some problem, it means that they are not so scary. vadim congratulations you on the first channel of public broadcasting, our conversation with you will be a continuation of my efforts to tell the viewers of the marathon more about ukrainian, what is important, the ukrainian language standard , so i thank you very much for finding the time and coming to our place in kyiv. february how paradoxical is it, and i don't know, i'm the only one like that. does it seem to me that you really have such a definite surge in popularity ? let's say it's the war that people started to learn about the standard because we've been doing it for a long time, for example, i've been performing for six years, that's the impression

for whom, yes and now our channel had 30,000 subscribers before the war, now it has 70,000 subscribers yes and that's only in five months that is, people began to learn about this process and now we even have such a communication between comedians. let's say yes, but i told you that it is early or late. that is , we already communicate with each other like this because we believed in it, and finally, but how you explain it to yourself well, it's really a paradox that in such a tragic period of our history, people suddenly paid attention to humor, and even more so to stand-up humor. well, this is not television humor, we'll talk about the difference, well , i wouldn't say that it's humor, but a lot of attention was paid to music on other youtube channels , there are a lot of videos on youtube right now, such as what you should watch on ukrainian youtube, in ukrainian, and there. of course, stand-up is also suitable if it is of interest to the ukrainian, so absolutely, and they started listening to more music, including music.

stand-up comedian vasyl baidak came to us on the first channel at the beginning of summer, there are many people who now want to laugh, relieve anxiety, er, cheer up, because russia is doing everything possible to make us feel bad, and we talked with him, in particular, about that his repertoire changed a lot after february 24, he was focused on absurd comedy, now he watches more of everything that is real, the environment of the war has changed the language of the world. year that your repertoire has also changed, well, it is important here why stand-up is a cool thing, because it is very relevant, you wrote it, you wrote it, you recorded it, it is already there, for example, prytula satellite, this one you bought, you joked about it, it is relevant, it is on the internet , it has spread well, uh that's why i love this

genre because it's so fast, it's really news, yes, buying satellite shelter, that is, news - these are sources now for you, for the victim of news. my reporter has changed. i'll say yes, and i understand what people need. for ukraine, it's time to joke. it's absolutely about some distant things. it's clear that people may be interested in being distracted, but i still think that people are interested in hearing about what worries them all now. if , for example, we laugh at some problem for a diary , it becomes scary, but i don't care. it seems that news what is the problem with them that there is such a fine line and what can be joked about and what can not be joked about well, for example, if we are talking specifically about the war well, then i do not joke about the war and my colleagues do not joke about the war either with me projects, cultural defense, we are joking about russia let's say that the military can joke about the war because they are directly involved in it they know what they are talking about, like a comedian

, you can always tell when he is not sincere or he is lying or he does not know what he is talking about for example, if i joked about the fact that i am a successful family man with four children, well, no one would believe me, you all thought that i was some kind of liar. yes, i joke about the fact that i , for example, do not get along with girls, there is something that i have something. well, not so, but i i am not upset about this they believe me and they laugh at me accordingly, well , russia is part of the war. in other words, it's like about some part of the war. you joke about the enemy, of course, once again, then i'll repeat that when we joke about the enemy, he doesn't become so scary to us, but jokes about the enemy are do you have any red lines, if you’re honest, you don’t have any? i’m saying as much as possible, as much as possible , we’re doing it as much as possible. society laughed a little, but it was not so afraid, but still understood that this was a different enemy, and

jokes were made with the enemy again during the active period of the war. this meme creation is some ukrainian phenomenon . is a completely natural part of my life in the evening before going to bed, it's a little bit of fluff, but sometimes i catch myself thinking, is this normal? what do you know? i find some comfort in this. let's panic, it will go into the hands of the enemy. and here we are , something happened there. and we will laugh a little about it, and of course, every day we have moments for tragedy , people die every day, we all understand this, but we don't need to close in on ourselves because of this, we need to have a little consolation, in particular, through these memes. as you say, a certain membe culture also appeared. that is, you sent three memes to your friend there, and you definitely need some kind of reaction , if you did not react to these memes, well, a person can be

offended, laugh, or say i already it somewhere i see, you know, such a minimal meme communication has appeared on a level with this uh, another thing that really impresses me in the phenomenon of ukrainian stand-up after february 24 is the charitable component of social responsibility, uh, you are one of the hosts of such a show as cultural defense uh for our viewers i will explain that you invite some famous person and you are four stand-up comedians, you discuss the life of this person, some news, you joke and in the process collect money, most often for the military. this program is a nomadic show, it was intended that way that it will be exactly like this, well, a large-scale war has started, and for the first two weeks we also had such a humorous stupor, and what should we do? and what do we know, what will we be useful for ? people and then we sat down and

thought, we are humorists, we were doing this before that why not somehow assimilate it for the benefit of some and we came up with such a project, we called it cultural defense, we just sat down to joke and we had such a thing, we were so afraid at the beginning, it turns out presenters and says to the audience, we don't know what will come of this, but we hope it will bring some benefit. people somewhere in half the hall of the envoys and we said welcome to our city and there was such a mutual feeling, such a warm feeling that now we are doing a great job, we have received guests, we are having fun, cameras are being filmed in us and we are simultaneously collecting funds for the support of the armed forces of ukraine if i didn't come back this stumps and minutes are constantly like this in the basement, so it's safe that you collect for something different every time. do you have contacts with some military units, how does it look like

we have star guests, the military have access to them, we collect what kind of their goal are they helping us with a star well, it's like, when the stars started to appear, more serious military men helped us in this, uh, we can already write to direct messages with the stars and drop them, here we had gorbunov in us was dzidzio and they they understand yes, they came so you can agree on that that is, they are most often stars who also volunteer a little somewhere or maintain contacts with the military, it is very cool and they maintain such contact with the military in particular, and it is very cool how the stars compete with each other, they ask and how much did gorbunov collect 200,000 and they i will collect more, they are already connecting some of their contacts there, artem fedetsky is a football player, he is like that, he has a sports day , he is already there to someone, er, in telegram, i see that he is dropping our broadcast, drop the money, you need it, guys they are collecting, they want more people to gather with them . how much was the most you were given for one such performance of weapons with a hunchback? 200 or something thousand. we collected for one stream. that is, these are people who will

donate from your viewers, as well as those who watch online and have the opportunity to transfer funds who buy tickets . in the hall, the filming process is partially blocked by these funds, because we hire operators, well, if we come to another city, the road is blocked, and you drive this cultural defense across ukraine, i am with you, for example i met in kyiv, but literally. recently, i watched a recording from kramatorsk, are you there, maybe a little scared, judging by the jokes about your contacts with the military and you, this recording also took place with a shelter, tell me a little more about it, were you not scared there at all because it was already a period when it was hot there now in kramatorsk yes, there you could often hear the sounds of explosions and i was very well, it didn't surprise me, let's say it calmed the peace of our soldiers because they we hear we are twitching there and the soldiers say these are our exits, they understand where it arrives and where it

departs and everything is calm, and the military managed to communicate very warmly with them. they said that it is the most annoying thing from our civilian life when they call them, they say we are tired of the question when to go home because we we don't know that, we're fed up with the question of when it will all end. we don't know either. well, sometimes it happens that military women are jealous, they say, i know you're there somewhere with girls, and they say that to monaco girls, i'm sitting in a trench, you know a in kramatorsk, you performed in front of the military. yes, they were military personnel who were undergoing a certain rehabilitation course. well, several leaders were also in this hall, and we had the task. well, we saw at least a little smile on their faces . just so serious, i think well , unfortunately, at the end of the evening, a military man came up, thanked me and said, the boys were very cool. he just doesn’t show the emotions of a person. but it seems to me that it is

even more difficult to joke here than in principle during the war, you weren't afraid of what kind of jokes you were afraid of, but we spoke directly there, that was an interesting moment. that is, we say to the military, we're going to blurt out something wrong now, we know that you can bend our knee, we're ready for that. well, that's how we joked with them and they laughed at us. yes, everything went well. they fed us very well. if all soldiers eat like this, you can’t help but worry about it. we also wanted to ask you separately about how a person who has been doing standup for six years already is there some peculiarity of stand-up in ukraine besides the fact that you have to perform in a warring country, and in particular in front of the military, well, in our country there is a very high threshold for this line of saying something wrong, for example, if there is a video somewhere, sexism or someone, offending a certain segment of the population will fly very high a lot of heat especially if you post this video on facebook