in an ideal world, one should become an anti-russian prosecutor who will really show that russia is guilty, if it has to be tried for it, the reality can be a little worse . well, how a little, in fact. it could be worse. of course, they will distort all information as much as possible, the russians are already doing this in principle to hide the facts of their violations. and of course, russia, as a part of international organizations, will boycott any decision , any results of the investigation, because we to aim for, what should we hope for realistically , we should hope that at least megate will record the fact of the occupation of this station, at least megate will work the idea of ​​the 9th etherized zone, which was put forward by ukraine, including what do you think, we have news about what the news that reaches us from the occupied

energodar that the occupiers are murdering people , employees of e-e from the gas station, e-e residents of the city are raping the masses, but at least for the time when there is a mission they will refrain from their repressive actions methods. this will be very traditional for russians. they , since the days of the famous potemkin villages , are very good at making impressions . that you and i started saying that during the period of the presence of the mission there and on the air defense itself and in the surrounding territory, the russians will do it possible to promote their narrative, that ukraine is shelling everything, that ukraine is destroying everything, and here we are white and fluffy and save everyone from of a nuclear threat. well, they will believe it. i really hope not. i really hope that

in fact the spirit of the osce will not haunt us, because after, especially after the osce in sami, you know, we have a rather skeptical attitude towards international monitoring missions and, in general, towards international organizations that try to fix something, well , however, we have seen that many quite serious -minded mega-states, in principle, have a mandate to disregard the opinion of certain individual countries, even those that are part of it, and that is why in fact here you can expect a slightly better result, that is, i almost believe that they will not believe the russians, but still, well, i'm sorry for such a cynical comparison, the russians have machine guns, there is military equipment, there is nothing in the store, and therefore the issue of access to certain parts of the object well, on it's a pity blink won't be able to solve this issue on the spot either. let 's try to talk

about it in prague. by the federation. but there, in principle, this is an intermediate option. this is not exactly what ukraine demanded, not exactly. the pace of what, for example , the public president volodymyr zelensky insisted on, but nevertheless, we have already heard that, for example, estonia and poland, as well as possibly other countries through uh, what russians are getting to europe now with blocked airline tickets, to say that he will study the possibility to block it much more, make this visa regime even more difficult. there may simply be polish or estonian ones there. well, in fact, we know that the schengen system is precisely in its openness and generality. it has both its pluses and minuses, that is, on the one hand. they will not be able to completely block the entire

schengen process. they will not be able to close access to of each country. they mean those countries that are ready for the russians to refuse all visas, but on the other hand, the regional system does not at all prohibit countries from issuing visas in the capacity of certain people in transit through their the territory of the schengen system does not prohibit countries a-a from determining the admissibility of certain people on the basis of issues of national security, that is, in fact, there are certain issues on which a-a let's say the authority on which is authorized and the provisions of european institutions in this, including the schengen system, are not imposed and therefore, conditionally speaking, if, for example, estonia, on matters of national security , it will be clear to them that such and such groups of russians or specific people cannot be admitted. well, they are referring to the question of national security can close transit for these people in particular. that is, it will be much more

bureaucratic work, it will be much more concrete in each case, but well, nothing can prevent a country from defending its own national security. well, there were not even reports that they were seized, even already it seems in the baltic countries they actually confiscated foreign passports and closed schengen visas that were not issued by these countries, that is, in fact, the legislation allows national countries to decide at their own discretion if they have, er, well, legal grounds for this . please tell us that the countries of eastern europe, in principle, do not need to be convinced of who is russia, who is putin, who are the russians, that this is not only putin's war, but we constantly hear from the countries of western europe about the fact that it is not possible to comb everyone there one by one. what are the good russians, so that ukraine could still do so that you

could still do the countries of eastern europe, in order to finally show the true face of today 's russia and the majority of russians who support putin and what he is doing in ukraine, it seems to me that it is not even a question of us or of our partners from eastern europe, the russians themselves are doing everything possible so that western europe and the rest of the world will finally understand who they are and that they really need to be kept in complete and adequate isolation, that is, in fact our main goal, our main goal is to show an example, it is to be the forwards of those decisions that we want to promote, that is, conditionally if we want a ban on entry. we are the first to introduce a ban on canopies. this applies not only to ukraine. applies to eastern europe in general if we want to introduce specific sanctions we are the first to introduce such sanctions we set an example we lead we set the agenda i.e. what is the difference between a country weak due to its small size and an average country

with great potential medium and large countries lead by example they set the order daily and therefore essentially the goal - of eastern europe, we will talk about this project as a united subregion, the goal of eastern europe is to set an example, and by its example , its resistance, its limitations, its isolation of russia to show that despite such severing of ties, it is possible to calmly find energy partners, it is possible to calmly close issues in the economy, and most importantly, it is possible to ensure stability and security for the entire european continent . that is, there is a legion, so that a joint center of armed struggle is being created, which is fighting against the putin regime, actually, and this is all under the wing of this freedom of russia, we are also showing an example

to european countries that in ukraine are fighting for the freedom of russia, we first of all simply show , show and prove the point of view that was voiced a lot about us and the british and americans that the war in ukraine is not just a war of a state against a state, it is not just a matter of some borders or some history, it is a matter of principles, it is the fact that ukraine fighting for democracy for freedom and for certain democratic principles for human rights russia is fighting for its dictatorship russia is fighting for its autocracy russia is fighting for putin russia is fighting for slavery in essence and therefore the presence of the russian legion the presence of others organizations that, if i do not appear in the irpin declaration, have agreed to fight with arms against putin's regime, of course we have completely reasoned suspicions about them, of course the nation has a completely reasoned understanding that the russians will try to use these people literally either

to promote kyiv or to throw here their agents or in in any other ways, it is clear that this is a classic hybrid war, but at the same time, their presence shows that in fact ukraine is about principled ukraine not only for its own ukraine is fighting for freedom, in principle, it is fighting for freedom as a concept and independence as a principle as a human quality, and therefore this is such an indicator that our cause is really right and that all our allies are really defending not just ukraine, but our allies are defending those principles on which western society is founded. well, how effective is it to fight for the freedom of russia in ukraine and not to fight for the freedom of russia in russia? well, actually, taking into account the fact that in dictatorial regimes , we usually know how society is formed there we know how the pressure is formed there, we know how the internal system of the security forces is formed there, and therefore, the presence of such a legion in our country is simply a

continuation of historical processes, that is, let's not forget that in almost every war of the 20th century, in many wars of the 19th century, it is worth saying in such conflicts, when a great empire or a certain dictatorial autocratic regime fought with democracy or fought with any other country , those people who wanted to overthrow this dictatorial regime first of all, they stood on on the side of the opponent of this regime, they understood that raising an uprising in a country where it is ok to be a slave to raise an uprising and fight armed in a country where it is ok to be repressed for ok, sorry for the slang, will be overshadowed, well, it is almost impossible, and that is why they stood side by side with those freedom all- does it matter, that is, they are fighting together with us, conditionally speaking, they are becoming future agents of change on the territory of russia, they understand that by rising there, they will simply kill everyone and they will not be able to change the situation by helping us win now they

well, they will have at least some chance in the future to somehow change russia. they will not change russia until now, or we will lose ukraine here, which has not yet fully formed and as a country independent from russia and independent from that former common past when ukraine was -e enslaved and occupied well, this is already a question for us, i.e. will we be so grateful to our assistants that we suddenly remember that leo tolstoy is a great writer and that in general we brothers are not all that clear, that is, if it is our gratitude for such cooperation, then to us such cooperation is not necessary, but if our gratitude for their help, for whose blood they will shed together with us, it means that we will conditionally let them create their own democratic russia there, or we will conditionally give them some hope that if russia breaks away from

us then do what you want there, it's completely different. that is, it's not a question of their presence or absence, it's a question of whether we have the dignity and not to fall back into this imperial madness. do we have our own dignity to have our own narrative to have our own history to have our own information field. if so then how long have we not had foreign legions , russian legions, and so on, we will be ukrainians, we will remain ukrainians, we just need to draw a clear line there is ukraine and there is russia, we were not we did not want to be together we were not together we will do everything possible so that together we are nobody and if russia will continue to do what it is doing. well, in the end , we will do everything possible so that there is no russia. that's all. let's hope that very soon a serious expeditionary force will be created on the basis of these different political forces. there some ukrainians switched too well, because ilya ponomaryov, for example, he is already a citizen of ukraine, i am not talking about the aristocrat and the round

table, well, that too. well, there were announced a number of people, some respectable and some very famous, to form such a large expeditionary force and send it to yourself, it is interesting to open a second front. when will russia open a second front in europe? open a second front in asia. that is, land somewhere in the sakhalin area and start liberation from that side. i think it would be a good move. about the russian gazprom that stopped the nord stream gas pipeline until the third of september actually but uh uh is this really the reason and what is actually happening in this story with gas blackmail of russia or are they playing their this last trump card now they are actually now trying to apply all the tools that they have left, i.e. now

the declarations of violation of the regimes are beginning, that the europeans paid incorrectly, the europeans consumed incorrectly, the europeans there substituted business russia, i.e. if if to russia further this will do, we will all laugh when russia tries to sue conditional france conditional germany in the international arbitration courts. believe it completely . it will be in her style. which european gas was refused every day by the russians? well, they are really burning $40 million that could have been used to equip weapons and so on, and the russians understand that preparing for this heating season is their last chance for anything to sell and therefore every contract that they have, every opportunity to somehow trade, they use it to the maximum where there is no such opportunity, they go to great lengths and try by all possible methods to scare the europeans with cold

winters, to scare the europeans with blackouts. and in some cases, let's say it was from ukrainian gdz scare us with catastrophes. that is, we remember that back in 2009 , a sharp increase and then a decrease in pressure on various elements of the gts provoked literally explosions. it was energy terrorism and now russia threatens many countries especially near abroad with the same well, not only do they burn gas just so that it gets to you, you are nobody, but now they have announced some kind of social gasification, finally, gas will appear in every russian village, and maybe those uh, hmm, those russians the soldiers who will walk through our villages will no longer be so surprised as those who came to us and said, “why do you have gas in your village, because it turns out that in a country that is sitting on that gas, that gas is not everywhere? in the end, if you even look

at those houses, it is a house or some kind of shack, you know, you can't help but remember reagan's famous quote . it is extremely relevant, after all, russia is a gas station that disguised itself as a state , that is, the state has the main goal of the state - it is always an increase in the standard of living of the population that, accordingly , the population lived better and it made the state better in russia, the main purpose of existence was the sale of gas, and we can see it now from its movements that the population is already in the fourth line of interest after the trade acceptance of depression only later they remembered that a can use gas on the population, well, that is, the american president, the further time goes, the more truth in his words, well, thank you very much oleksandr krai, expert of the council of foreign policy, ukrainian prisma, was with us about various uh international stories a- and now let's continue the international topic, you know that there is no way they

can come to an agreement with serbia. and do the kosovars actually have the right to drive in kosovo with their own car plates, they don't have such, but the local serbs, the serbian minority, are absolutely fine with this doesn't agree, they don't want to change the signs. well, from time to time, big problems with all of that are looming, and he said, and after that, of course, russia, which is not against fanfare, some kind of some kind, to light a fire in the balkans in order to divert a little attention from helping ukraine uh, this is theirs, this is theirs, so, so, so simple, their idea of ​​simple diplomacy, so to speak, to set fire to something. somewhere under there, remind them in a corner.

the columnist is in touch with us, mrs. natalie, we congratulate you , congratulations, can we breathe a sigh of relief and say that more or less serbia and kosovo have reached some sort of agreement in their conflict recently yes but there it cannot be said that in general this confrontation regarding personal documents and numbers has resolved this conflict but it has been postponed a bit, so to speak, for now with the documents. it seems that everything is resolved. but the numbers will be some kind of compromise within the next two months. in general, what is happening in serbia if we are talking about their or how strong their is russia's support now, could there be any problems here, or does serbia as a whole support the general general european strategy, in general,

sensia supports the european strategy in particular because it continues to advance towards joining the european union, but there are still deviations. well, they concern -th of the two main topics. it is kosovo first and secondly - it is russia, why i say that kosovo is first of all because in fact the european union requires that in order for serbia to become a member of the european union it must recognize the independence of kosovo in one form or another. serbia is categorically against this in one form or another. as for the second issue of the russian one, the european union has actually issued an ultimatum to serbia, and again, in order to continue progressing towards joining the eu, serbia must

join absolutely all sanctions which european politicians brussels has introduced against the russian federation, currently serbia categorically agrees with this. long ago well, it has been six months since i held military joint exercises, for example, or there were no official visits at the highest level, but cooperation continues and there are no sanctions . belgrade against moscow for the introduction of these two such topics, and precisely the conflict with kosovo is such a point of collision of belgrade's position. brussels, as far as documents are concerned, you know there was a problem with documents that the kosovars wanted to introduce

additional kosovar documents to passports for serbs in kosovo, but in the end they got here just right they found some kind of compromise solution, such that kosovo does not introduce new additional documents for serbs, but instead, serbia cancels the additional documents that kosovar citizens were previously supposed to receive when they enter serbia, that is, serbia has obviously taken a step to meet the wishes of the europeans and americans who also supported such a decision and strategically remained on the way to europe and to joining the european union, and how does the russian peace feel in serbia in general, because we know that the serbs were always sympathetic to the russians well, in the end, there was one church that united them and their heads always

looked in the direction of russia, even uh, this war is full-scale in ukraine, the serbs were on the side of russia, so all the eurovision votes do not have to go far. it is not surprising that it cannot be said that serbia unequivocally supports russia in the war against ukraine, it is an official that both russians and ukrainians are brotherly peoples in relation to the serbian people, that is, such and such wording, and that is why, of course, they position themselves as such that is, it wants to be neutral and it demands that the parties somehow come to an agreement. well, in principle, until recently, this

was the position of a significant number of western countries. remained in this position, peace, you understand. it does not matter who is guilty, the main thing is that there should be peace. of course, in a situation where one side is the aggressor and the other is the victim of the aggressor, such a position is not adequate, but serbia continues to promote it and the majority of the population is exactly on this position and style, that is, they are for peace. they are against the war, they do not openly support the majority of the population , ah, russian aggression, but they do not support the ukrainians in their struggle, there are radical forces that ah,

in general, support exactly putin and the russian so -called special operation, but they are a minority. and what is the phenomenon of the latest survey of serbian youth, which was conducted in july in serbia, and it shows that they young people do not consider russia to be guilty of the war in ukraine. they are not advocate that sanctions of some kind be imposed, all by analogy between serbia and croatia in this war, you know. no, not just serbia. i think that they, uh, mention not only serbia, but yugoslavia. what do they think, the west destroyed his slavia and then already destroyed it from serbia was destroyed by the joint state, first the yugoslav state, then the joint state of serbia, montenegro, montenegro left, and now kosovo is also being taken away. that is, these are anti-measures,

anti-western sentiments, they carry with them pro-russian sentiments, that is, serbia has absolutely its own the history of relations with the west is not always clear-cut. and they carry it as if they are in solidarity. thus , with russia and in this conflict between russia and ukraine, they believe that russia is after all anti-western, and ukraine is pro-western, and therefore not on the side of ukraine. i haven’t been to belgrade for a long time, have they rebuilt this part of the destroyed building of the ministry of defense of serbia, is it still the monument that should remind them of the nato bomber, of course, this is a monument, and there the bombardment reminds not only the monument of the appearance of these ruins, but also memory that is not material. they always remember those bombings, and it is

official policy not to mention the reasons why this happened, but to mention the consequences, that is, they suffer because they were bombed, and they do not analyze and why did it happen that mil- milosevic , the repressions against the kosovars were so terrible that they were on the brink of genocide. the serbian army behaved in kosovo . belgrade did not accept any peace plan. they did not go to any negotiations. it is not mentioned, only the consequences are mentioned nato - then conducted a military operation against the military infrastructure of yugoslavia, then it was serbia plus montenegro, well, it's amazing, because i think that today's youth well, they definitely don't

remember that you were there in yugoslavia, and that's what their parents tell them are the grandparents not the way they teach them, or is this again russian propaganda, how does she live, it's hmm ah such a hmm combination with a synergistic effect between historical memory, although it's like a new story, but still after all, this is a story that exists in serbia itself school programs aren't just what grandma told me , it's a school program, it's a state program, but propaganda is a state information and cultural policy in serbia itself , uh, in addition, russia all the time, uh, throws up new topics, for example, she uh, russian propaganda really grabbed onto the topic what the hell injured children and she pays something all the time . serbian children were injured during the hostilities,

hmm . of course, russia is not mentioned again, and in fact, when the serbs even want to compromise some kind of interpretation to give those positions, the more europe pressures them, that is, to come out with a compromise position on all the events of recent yugoslav and serbian history. russia does not allow them to mention that russian propagandists shoot films there, and recently the balkan frontier was in a feature film there, with the main events there dedicated to the war in kosovo. that is, russia filmed and promoted it precisely in the balkans to remind that it's just milk, you're such an action movie to

interest young people, what were some events like, uh, recent history, what's up with us, uh, we're actually running out of time, a minute of it, well, i'll take a chance. let's continue next time, thank you very much for this interesting conversation, serbian studies , we just had, mrs. nataliya nataliya ishchenko , project manager of the balkan observer, told us about how serbian people now understand the causes and consequences of what they had and what they have now is interesting that on september 1, today, putin brought him to kaliningrad and, by the way, you know where he brought him to kaliningrad and brought him, well, at least he should have been in the district of the council , he should have held an open lesson nsgaver avazhnem eh. now such open lessons will now be in russia in russian schools of everyone monday god, this reminds me of some soviet times in the soviet school

we had a lesson on flights of information and these will begin every monday outside of class, the concept of conversation is important where they will talk about the exploits of the russian military in a ukrainian city far away yes, no well then let's create for sure no yes well at home another time for now it's not far just as close to the news release with iryna koval she will now tell what happened in the last hour thank you colleagues yes literally in a moment i will tell you about the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant if about that how the security service of ukraine continues to identify agents of the kremlin 16th in ukraine and for your attention news on the

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