and it won't happen, because you have to win the war first, and if ukraine wins the war, then it will be different. the conversation about nato is completely different. i'm not convinced that nato won't start asking ukraine, let's come to us. i don't know how it will turn out. basements are more of a fire threat in the same gods, how are cities properly prepared for the possible problem of bad winter? well, i think this letter should be sent to putin, mr. putin, you attacked ukraine and destroyed the infrastructure like us now what should we do now not a single person in the world doesn't know what to do no person in the world knows when you don't have it when everything in the soviet union was built with centralized heating and the overwhelming majority of ukrainians

live in apartment buildings houses what to do with it when a shell flew nearby and broke the heat supply nothing when we are skeptical about the burghers in the basements, well, if you become skeptical , you will not freeze in the basements or in the same basement without the burghers, well, you just have to be careful , what are the options? i love such questions so much. what to do now so that every ukrainian receives 10,000 dollars, what to do now so that, especially in the east of ukraine, where a great war is going on, to warm people in winter, turn off the north pole so that it does not get so cold from the planet earth and ukraine, which is located here, i don’t have any more if the amphibious assault on hares it will end after the script was prepared by the russian. i don't know how it is ready. the script is ready. kateryna stefanovych. maybe you know what script

russia has prepared. i don't know this legalization. it's making noise, we're starting a law, how can anyone in russia pass any law, only the rest of the world won't accept it, that's why i don't know what's in store. i know they'll be very careful. they won't take drastic steps. i know they won't say anything. there is no trust in russia in the world, russia will say one thing or another, whether it is the third or the tenth after the 24th of february, and there is no trust in any russia, so that russia would not be there. 90% will believe this in ukraine you have to understand, that's why i wouldn't pay attention to it,

i wouldn't pay attention to it. what do you think is the name of humanitarian aid in zaporizhzhia true or imaginary, because this is the second time that high-ranking officials have conducted an investigation into embezzlement, i haven't heard anything about the situation in zaporizhzhia during the war always something is stolen there is no such war in the world in the history of mankind, there was no war during which everyone behaved so politely, they would not have stolen anything, on the contrary, they helped the army, someone helps, someone steals, someone betrays collaborators, the press writes about it every day and so on, there are such collaborators, if they are the head of some pedagogic school or some others, i read about one such collaborator today. well, it’s just that very different people happen. that’s why i don’t know. and why doesn’t the journalistic community put pressure on the government, what should return channel t-2 because there is no journalistic community in ukraine, i have always said that there are individual journalists

who behave more or less journalistically, but there is no journalistic workshop community. is there an intergenerational party in the party? i went to the second party on the list, the first time, the third time, it was, i apologize, 21 years ago, i can forget for 20 people, if you think that since the 20th year i have only been walking and thinking about the winter of the generation, yes, there was such a party and i was not the second and the third, we did not pass the parliament, and i apologize, if we had passed, then we could really ask, but what would have happened if dynamo kyiv had won the european champions cup in 1983? well, even the very question of what would have happened if they had said, "what a minute " looks absurd. and i see that i have not a minute somewhere behind me 17:34:21 that is, i have already dragged 35 here. well, then i

want to say once again that rostyslav okhotyn and vitaly portnikova, who is unfortunately gone now. we started working together on ukrainian television, and now i am very pleased to convey a--a word will to prostislav khotin, who was interviewed, he now works at radio freedom in prague, where was the minister of foreign affairs of russia, e. i am convinced that he gave a good interview, he is a really good journalist yakiv, as well as portnikov, who is gone, but portnikov's ideas are floating around us and we remember him well, but the place thank you very much for agreeing to give an interview to radio svoboda

, i have it now the first question will then be about a complete ban on what it is based on ukraine visa ban for citizens of russia why is it important why ukraine insists on this and because we very clearly see that putin's supporters are supporters of his aggression and they somehow combine in love for one's country, which violates international borders, despises europe, and at the same time considers it to be degrading there with travel and with rest and with the enjoyment of this europe, so here it is necessary to define yourself as eh in a well-known well-known anecdote you eh if you are for putin, then stay at home and enjoy the russian federation a-ah and don't use europe for your own good eh while

walking there in a t-shirt with the letter z and glorifying putin i think it's also a question of europeans' respect for themselves so that they don't use themselves for citizens citizens russia, which actually supports putin's aggression not only against ukraine, but in fact against europe in general hmm, what is your answer to those who say that this is putin's war, putin is bad, putin is bad cream , and the russian people are innocent, the russians are not guilty , why punish them, well, of course, collective responsibility when everyone is guilty automatically due to the actions of one person, er, it’s wrong. but that’s why it is necessary to preserve the window of opportunity for real opponents of putin, for dissidents and for humanitarian reasons or according to the procedure for granting refugee status

to keep them the possibility of leaving for europe, but here is this narrative that this is putin’s war. this is just self-deception. is it russian soldiers who kill and rape? is it putin? no, these are russian citizens. are they their relatives who support their participation in the war? i tell them, they say, well done, let's pee, khokhlov. and this is what putin is doing. specific citizens of russia do this to me, and those russians who sit in their homes and support putin's policies, and we see it in public, comment even when they are interviewed on the streets, they tell that everything that's right, yes, it's necessary, that's putin, too. no, it's all specific russians who share putin's policy and , er, call this war a problem and putin's, and not a problem of russian society. which one shares

the views of its president in the absolute majority of the night. this is just self-deception now. the minister of foreign affairs of the european union in prague today and tomorrow will discuss the issue of possible visa sanctions against russia, after all, the european union is not the only one in this matter, there are different groups of countries for each other against what do you think of europe to be able to achieve unity in order to come out with a consolidated, unified position. well, as i said, in my opinion, this is a question of self-respect of europeans for themselves, because we know the ideas about europe that dominate russian society, that everything is degrading here, that there is total discrimination, that's all everything is bad in russia, and that's why you have to hate europe and love russia, but most of all, i think it 's most important that the europeans, let's put it this way, those european countries and politicians who still have

certain illusions that russian policy is russian society, that they should get rid of them, when i read there this morning the joint statement of france and germany on the eve of the discussion in the european union that it is necessary to preserve the possibility of entry for russians to the european union because it has a huge transformative effect and influence on russian society, then in i have a logical question: the agreement on simplified visa processing for russians between russia and the eu has been in effect since 2007. since 2007, russia has started a war against georgia, started a war against ukraine, and carried out a series of murders of its opponents of the opponents of putin's regime on the territory of the european union blackmails europe

with the energy crisis and has done many, many other bad things, yes, i have a question, and your transformer power is working hard. indeed, from the moment of february 24, fundamental transformations took place in europe, including in germany, france, colleagues there got rid of many illusions about russia and the animal look at this country and politics, but here is this latest story about putin being good, putin being bad, and people being good, this is also an illusion since 2007, all this time while simplified visa processing was working - it did not help in any way to change the attitude of russians towards europe and, most importantly, it did not help to educate russians respect others, respect other countries, other peoples,

such a compromise solution is now possible, an incomplete ban , for which the entire european union is not yet ready, and the cancellation of this simplified visa regime for citizens of russia, or would it mean that more documents it took longer to apply, visas were more expensive, as it used to be before 2007, would it be some kind of compromise option or would it accommodate ukraine at least at least this half-measure, this is a move in the right direction, but it is not a solution and since 2014, since february 24, we have taken a clear position that it is the half-measures towards russia that are one of the reasons for the war , precisely because european policy since the 14th year has consisted of these half-measures, here we beat russia, and here we hold the handle so that it does not hurt too much , and led to this, therefore, it is definitely an era half of the measures have been passed, are there also visa restrictions for the citizens of belarus to enter belarus, of

course, belarus is an accomplice in the crime of aggression committed by the russian federation. as the achievement of the mission of the heroes of this special, the ultimate goal of these efforts is the demilitarization of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant by removing from it russian and e-e citizens of the russian federation we know that there are russian soldiers there, we know that there are representatives of rosatom, and we know that there are russian journalists, they all have to get out of here because this is the only reliable guarantee that the situation with the nuclear power plant will return to ukrainian international control and nuclear safety will be guaranteed to this object, any other methods, other ways of solving this situation will not have an

effect, here, too, it cannot be about any half-measures, and i want very clearly, so that everyone understands, to note that the situation in which russia is now pulls 1000 decisions m-m even that russia is pursuing when a-a in fact the de facto russian presence at the station will be recognized but having control over nuclear security is unacceptable, this is a semi-defense that does not guarantee nuclear security and leaves the lever of nuclear blackmail in the hands of the russian federation what is the danger of such a development of events at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant that we have seen recently, the last few weeks, months, the danger that the situation with nuclear safety will simply get out of control, the russians will throw up their hands as always and say that it is not them that it happened for some reason but not because of them and

the world will be faced with the threat of a nuclear disaster much larger in scale than the accident at the chernobyl nuclear power plant or it is not too late that the mother mission arrives at must go to the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, after all, it was occupied at the beginning of the war and the war has been going on for more than half a year now, and the russians have categorically rejected the possibility of a mission, and the agreement that it is possible has been reached literally there, when in the past weeks or a couple of weeks ago, since then preparations have been going on, you understand that we are talking about crossing the front line and we see that the mother is preparing very carefully for this, we are preparing because from the point of view of guaranteeing the safety of this mission it must be flawless and as soon as all the safety conditions a mission will be created, the magathe will hit the hare, but

the russians can take risks with people who can simply shoot at them and kill them on the way. mission to have, ukraine is absolutely interested in this mission taking place as soon as possible, now again on the practical topic of energy. only a little different now, records of gas prices in europe, or russia has a hand in the fact that prices are rising, although gas is formally not included in the package of sanctions of the european union, but in general, what is happening with gas, russia does not contribute to the gas crisis in europe, the gas crisis in europe is the hand of russia. well, there are absolutely no other reasons here, and i want to draw attention to the fact that the problems with gas began in europe even before russia began a full-scale invasion of the territory of ukraine. it was the end of last year when prices started to rise, that is, they knew everything, they were preparing for

war, now it is clear and they solved two problems : first, before the war, they filled their pockets with additional money, and secondly, they were already creating pressure on european politics. i want it to be very important, and this is what i am talking about here, in particular in the czech republic, i spoke correctly in sweden yesterday, and what we communicate to our partners so that everyone understands that on february 24, putin carried out a large-scale invasion and attacked not only ukraine, but also europe in general and in a broader sense, the west as a union of countries that share certain principles and values, with the only difference being that if putin's ukraine attacks us with missiles and tanks, then he attacks europeans, for example, with inflation of electricity prices propaganda, but the goal is one and the same to destroy the

democratic world, that is its goal, now political aspects of this large-scale aggression of russia against ukraine, turkey is making a lot of efforts to put an end to this war are you trying to be a mediator, you who said that turkish politics is like ottoman diplomacy , on the one hand, it seems to support ukraine, on the other hand, and help to some extent even in russia to avoid sanctions or weaken them, how do you comment on the position of turkish partners ? in general, we maintain friendly partnership relations with turkey and the recent meeting of president zelenskyi with president rdagan confirmed this once again, we truly appreciate the contribution of both president rdagan and the un secretary general in more favorable to the creation of a grain corridor, but there are indeed issues that cause us many questions, and in particular, the latest incident when

russia threw the s300 complex across the bosphorus. it is an appropriate demarche on the part of the ukrainian side, but turkey is definitely a country that is generally friendly to us and an important partner with whom we have a level of relationship with which is such that when problems arise, we address them very frankly and straightforwardly without any without without ukrainian or ottoman diplomacy, and we speak very frankly and are looking for a solution. turkish president erdoğan from time to time initiates there or talks about the possibility of a meeting between president zelensky and russian president putin. what do you think ? we cannot forbid president erdoğan to believe that

now is the time for some automatic negotiations with the russian federation and, in principle , his desire to win in this process constructive role, we welcome him, but we do not share the opinion that now russia is ready for negotiations, all actions of russia now demonstrate that it believes in its war and is looking for a military solution to the conflict, that is, now is not the time for negotiations, they were conducted at the beginning wars, but then there were these, of course, bucha, er, irpin, that is, the negotiations were interrupted and now is not the time to resume them, i understand correctly, it was bucha irpin. russia envisions negotiations as they arrived and put on the table an ultimatum of complete surrender and ukraine

must accept it. this is the russian idea of ​​negotiations, and our idea of ​​negotiations is a dialogue to find mutually acceptable solutions with full respect for the territorial integrity of the sovereignty of ukraine, when we made every effort to to translate the language of the ultimatum into the language of dialogue but russia remained on the positions of the ultimatum, it became clear that there is nothing to talk about with them when russia changes its approach and stops living with their er fantasies that they will win this war then let's see er hmm there may be a window for negotiations now negotiations have resumed again er talks about possible security guarantees for ukraine in particular yarmak's group is not confused about this what guarantees are they talking about ukraine needs those who would satisfy the ukrainian side of sailing in terms of safety and future guarantees. well, i think they are not here a

little bit. exactly along the lines of andriy yarmak and his colleagues, the foreign policy advisers of the leaders of other countries who are participating in this dialogue, because it is about very delicate things and for a certain time it was necessary to just sit down and work, uh, reflect on what it is it may just be that the yarmaka raz musina group was created, which is about to issue its recommendations literally from day to day, as far as i know. this will be a very thorough document, and the next stage will be the transformation of uh, this uh, essentially expert document into specific diplomatic agreements . this work has not been interrupted, will not be interrupted, and will continue. i don't think that it makes sense to talk

about the details now, but it is clear that between the moment when ukraine becomes a full-fledged member of nato, it is necessary to find some kind of temporary solution in the form of a security guarantee for in ukraine, the entire team of president zelenskyi is working on this. regarding the question i have now about the european union , ukraine received candidate status not so long ago in june, when will they really start negotiations are already about uh, membership negotiations are already formal, these will pass this stage , apply, you know, before receiving the status of the contrast, i was constantly asked when we will receive the candidacy, they demanded to name the date, and now they have to name the date when we will start, let's start membership negotiations. i never named the date, but i said that it will definitely happen, it will happen, and we

kept our word, it happened the same way now, i do n't remember anything, but i can absolutely say with confidence that it will happen and it will take a lot less time than obtaining the status of a candidate, and this , by the way, was the topic of my conversation yesterday in stockholm and today in prague, because now prague presides over the european union, and in the first half of next year, sweden will preside, and we believe that these two presidencies are the time of big decisions regarding future and mm without alternative membership of ukraine to the european union. this is how i will answer you diplomatically regarding nato. it seems that there is already such an understanding in ukraine that it is not necessary for the action plan regarding the membership of the pdc to receive the example of its sweden finland shows that it is possible to get nato membership even without bees. how do you see it now, the european -euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, well, actually, on

february 24, it nullified all the previous policy of nato regarding how ukraine should reach membership, and the case of sweden in finland confirmed publicly and clearly that what ukraine has always talked about was true, whether membership is primarily a question of political will, do you see this or that country as part of the alliance, but compatibility is all a technical question if you do not want to see the country as part of the alliance er organizations and you constantly emphasize technical things er er pdch er compatibility technical standards and you drag it all that in ukraine is called a dog song i love dogs very much but there is such a term ah and if you want to see the country you solve all these issues very quickly, that's why i think

that from nato's point of view, i would even be, well, now it's indecent to return to the conversation about the pdc, some long, long, endless processes, but nato must have its say. that is, we have said our word, now we are waiting when the alliance will say as he sees this process among the public in western circles and politicians, there are two approaches. some say that the war has been going on for a long time, we need peace at any price, a hard winter is coming because of the war and so on. others say that it is necessary to support ukraine as much as possible it will be necessary not to impose her peace but to wait for her victory and for you to answer the first group that is skeptical and already

tired so to speak half-measures regarding russia, which they always said well, let's go here, somehow their entire policy failed with the very first missile that fell on kyiv on february 24, they really are . some people in europe are starting to say no, well, that may be necessary, and we answer to all of them, we are already tired of you and your attempts to constantly solve any situation at the expense of ukraine, and when someone starts telling me that ukraine has to go there for some kind of concession in any matter not it is not territorial service is not even discussed, but such tactical things must be compromised because it is very important to mean that

russia has agreed to something, so i just don't say. well, you can stop here and not continue the conversation with me. by the way, 2 hours ago, there was a phone conversation right here, you and i are making an appointment with a colleague from one european country and there or you can go here and there to demonstrate constructiveness because russia has taken a very, very tough position on this issue and does not want to go to concessions therefore, it is necessary to write out a simple bye-bye, so little has been completed, see you or hear from you next time, well, that is, this is a wrong approach in principle, he has completely discredited himself, therefore we categorically reject him . what would be a ukrainian victory in this war would be a return to the position of russian troops before the withdrawal on february 24 of this year or the liberation of this donbas, crimea, and what was the victory, well

, the return, the return to the position on february 24 - this is the continuation of the torture in which ukraine lived from 2014 to 2022, the goal is the victory of ukraine in this war - this is the complete restoration of its territorial integrity . where possible by military means. where possible by diplomatic means, then the second phase of the war will come. this will be the prosecution of those guilty of war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity , criminal aggressions, and the payment of compensation, and then the third phase of the war will come. repentance of the ukrainian people and the political elite in russian, and i once said that. by the way, in an interview, radio svoboda also taught me lessons two years ago, and i was then torn apart in all russian propaganda shows, but i absolutely continue

to believe that the day will come when some leader of russia, whoever it is, will come to ukraine and kneel in front of the monument to the victims of russian aggression and will stand on his knees for a very long time and apologize to the ukrainian people for all the bad things he has done to us and when this happens, it will be the final victory of ukraine, mr. minister. thank you very much for this interview .