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so that they don't talk about the first place, war, war, and our victory are seven days. for a week from monday monday seven different spheres of human activity sports culture politics eight presenters of express journalists experts opinion leaders in real time about the most relevant events through the prism of war daily author's projects most expresso good afternoon, my name is anna valevska. we continue the broadcast on espresso, but how come, on friday at this time at 12:10, we meet in the self-government program. this is a program about great ukrainians from small communities and the peculiarities of local self -government. on the fact that precisely thanks to the reformed

and strong local self-government, which had time to gain the strength to trim feathers and muscles, ukraine stood up at the local level despite the lack of centralized politics in the first moments in the first days when the country was just recovering from a full-scale attack and i thank all the people who were involved at various stages in all the reforms and especially in the reform of local self-government. people and throw it also in private messages to friends, acquaintances, beloved neighbors, it is important that we all talk about it together, because even if it once seemed to someone that reforms and i remember in on the eve of the war, i spoke with an acquaintance, she said, well , i am not interested in politics, and then, when the tanks went to the first populated areas, it turned out

that politics will be interested in you. it depended on them whether we would survive in a particular village in the city when we were being shot at and when we were being attacked and today i wanted to show and talk hmm an example of wonderful self-survival and self-governance of those communities who were in the territory that was under temporary occupation, namely the luhansk region , 100 of them survived as a non-territorial administrative economic unit and moved as people moved within the country or abroad, these communities also changed their position , encrypted and thus survived, this is a very cool example of survival and self-governance at the community level, and this is exactly what we will talk about today, we will talk with the head of the office of julia

from europe - this is a program that helps us implement reforms, in particular, the head luhansk region igor agibalov joins us igor i greet you good day i am glad to meet you and i am glad to see you please tell us what we imagined and understood what is happening now in the territory of the luhansk region, which is under temporary occupation, these are all communities which are under occupation, is there a part and still ukrainian, unfortunately, almost all, almost all, almost the entire territory of the luhansk region is occupied, the only remaining two settlements of the lysichan territorial community are, er, so much of the lysichan and north donets communities this is a belogorivka brave who doesn’t seem like it, but in fact, all territorial communities are actually under

occupation, but as you said, many of them were still able to cope with their problems, and who timely and who not in a timely manner , who else today relaxes and continues the process of existence and providing even services to their people who also moved within the borders of the state and abroad from the 26 territorial communities that were at the beginning of the full-scale aggression in the luhansk region, i can firmly say that 16 i see uh, he doesn't want uh, with my own eyes, and uh, in the internet space, i talk to them constantly on the phone, and so they have moved to different points, points of our country and are trying to

survive. the only thing i didn't say here is that they are encrypted they, mrs. hanna, communicate very openly and try to convey that our territory is occupied, but we are here, our people are here, and the local self-government body as such. he is constantly in touch and tries to gather those crumbs of potential and even business that they could to move to another territory. a very cool example , i want to ask you. well, it is encrypted, i mean from the enemy in order to survive, you understand, that is, they did not stay, they did not wait for the russian peace, they did not accept such a fate. well, occupation , occupation. they really survive thanks to your actions and your self-management, you said that from the 26th,

sixteen, now you can see that this process is very dynamic, and this number can be increased in the coming days constantly, even on sunday, on a day off, i received a call from the head of another community, which simply, with igor's words, i'm free. i'm here. i'm going to poland. i'm going home to ukraine. that is, our communities are great. if, for example, a person is temporarily staying there in britain and denmark and poland, he is part of his ukrainian community and has the right to receive services and pay there. taxes or what about that? well, look at the examples of very individual cases, they differ from who had how much time, the very best example, in my opinion, is the criminal kremin

territorial community of the city, they find were found to be located in the severodonetsk district, it is on the western edge of the region, so they had some time to prepare for relaxation and they carried out this comprehensive, clearly cool. in my opinion , they completely moved all local self- government bodies to the city of rivne. to whom i am very grateful, together with this community, because they sheltered not just a few people there, but stuck the entire composition of the executive committee of communal enterprises, teachers, doctors , that is, all those who currently provide services but this is the best example, a lot of communities reacted somewhere nearby, closer, and this is the city of dnipro and the dnipropetrovsk region, for which

they are also very grateful. some communities have moved, and experts are not communities, but local government bodies. here are those molecules to gather together, er, this krasnoich krasnoich community, which is in the lviv region, in novoyavorivsk and shulginsk in titarev, ivano-frankivsk region, that is, there are some scraps and they understand that they can provide only a few people, the business mainly came from big cities, but in the same krasnoil community, we have an interesting experience when farmers also moved, even leaving the land, you can’t bring it with you, that is , they somehow still try even agricultural businesses should be continued on the already free territory, well, these are examples, mr. igor, that is, the community has moved

mainly, this is the administration, so the backbone of the local self-government body, and it provides services to people and the people where the people, the people, the people moved for the criminal purpose, they deliberately transported students, first of all, that is, these are small children, those who need constant supervision are clients of social services, they transported them in an organized manner, unfortunately, in those territories where i will occupied there in the first days it happened chaotically and now the local self- government bodies have moved. they are trying to somehow find connections and gather their own via google forms online. it is a very cool format at the initiative of the whole region i know that the regional state administration promoted these humane

so-called humanitarian hubs when communities open local self-government bodies of communities open some points in the cities where they are located and through these mass media they advertise or aim here come here here you they will meet, that is, there is no need to overload the communities and their social centers, they create such points, well, as a fellow countryman, i do not know the grammar in the community, yes, you are right. and when when did the first move in to count communities from luhansk oblast, well, the first one i contacted literally on the fourth, fourth day of hostilities is the novopskov community. well , i actually contacted who was the first to move, we can't say here, but for the record as that is, with

the beginning of this great war, that’s right , there was no such experience before, not until the 14th, there was this administrative-territorial reform, and unfortunately . now i’m comparing. i worked here then as the head of the district administration in popasnya. i see that at that time he left. well, maybe even we have one the head of the local self-government body is the city of aleksandrivsk, which was able to move. the majority of the administration remained there, and many of the administrations also remained there, especially the district councils. during these eight years, well, i really confirm your words, i allowed them to make a quick decision and

there, well, the number of traitors, well, there are minimal 3-4 communities, all other forms remained, she strengthened the communities and gave them more tools to survive like this, they didn’t wait from the center until something was brought down to them there. and they took and made prompt decisions, these decisions were completely different. although he was not so strict, but then there was a very large, large percentage of traitors. and today we talk about treason . if in the 14th year the war had such a character as in this february, the scenario would have been the same or a different scenario would have been much tougher, then the main ideological role of the attack was played by the district councils, which at that time unfortunately

were controlled more by pro-russian ideas, i can't blame anyone, but the fact is a fact. all district councils practically saved them for such support or gentle actions, but today we are really talking about a strong self-government that was able to take. well, i consider the real self-government of communities to be the right decisions, and formally, where are these local self- government bodies that came from luhansk region to another part of ukraine, where these bodies are registered and registered? their employees, business, that is, where do they pay taxes, the budget, they took theirs with them. well,

let's put it this way, it's not uh, how uh, it's a non-standard , very non-standard situation, the community - it's still a matter of people and territories, so they don't formally change the registration even in the format of military administrations, such as that of crime, they are registered at their address there, cities of crime, cities of north donets, etc., so that they need to restore funding, first of all, of all social benefits. for this, they they re-registered - they re-registered in the state treasury bodies, this is the mechanics of the process and they did it. to be honest, it was very clear and fast, uh, as for business, then yes, uh, they need to re-register in the controlled territory, because uh, there are a lot of problems with counterparties who do not transfer funds according to contracts in this case, especially i know of cases when these are international

contractual export contracts, if our international partners are there, what is the place of business registration, is it temporarily occupied territory, then there arise difficulties with the inclusion of these taxes and payments. i'm sorry, as for the calculation of taxes, here, for now, they pay taxes, they can pay taxes in their budget, but now they will go. it's still a transformation, and they won't pay taxes . in the city of the actual stay a-a er-e that is, they may lose their economic independence and is there a danger er-e disappearance of the community as a subject yes, we still calculate that this is a temporary time a temporary situation er-e basis for provision of services consists of e.e. subventions from the state budget for education for

the community and they receive it, and here we are very grateful for the support of the state, which nevertheless does not refuse to transfer this subvention to the provision of medical services. i believe that er plus a plus plus balances in their accounts, that is, i believe that we er these communities for a certain time er somewhere around a year can exist and provide services even without receiving that revenue part from the budget. of course, the formation of budgets of the 20-23 budget is, well, this is the most important problem now, because the sources of income are disappearing or there is no tax on land and no tax on e-e from the income of individual entrepreneurs, but how

will it develop, we will look at the update of our tax legislation, that is, their the business of these communities, he cannot be formally registered for this community and pay taxes, yes, and employees on the income of individuals , yes, in most cases, yes. well, let's hope that this whole year will help save these communities because then, in fact, they will return to the time before decentralization, when there was only subvention and nothing else, yes, but this time can simply give communities the opportunity to survive, and in terms of services, in terms of services, as if the reform gave more the right of communities to provide a greater number of services, how are they changing now in the conditions of war, what new ones have appeared, what services do these communities provide to the population now, well, first of all, we faced a problem, uh, on the topic of education, you

remember when they began to move actively there was a task to issue educational documents to the schoolchildren, this was the first and they managed it now, then throughout the summer we discussed whether the new school year should be launched, how it will be, yes, we understand that it is only online because in my physical school, we have not moved , there are no new buildings and there are no new classes, the majority, well, the vast majority provide online education services, but nevertheless, we would have seen the latest figures, half of the luhansk schools are still in relocation mode the school year has begun and that's 130,000 students, well, i think it's a great result

. the topic of medical services here is both a little more complicated and a little easier. on the other hand, all these e-e doctors turned out to be competitive and concretely capable in the market, and therefore they well, according to specialists, they can simply switch to the e-e mode of providing services through private entrepreneurs, this is also allowed by the legislation and can also work with this the national health care service, social services here, uh, this is money from their own budget, and here they can only count on their leftovers, uh, and they are doing it now, we from

the yuli program from europe are now trying to develop recommendations for them precisely how can it be done for such relacent communities? and here they need to deal with this money very economically and very carefully, and of course, municipal administrative services are registration and so on. here is the format of humanitarian habibs yes they can to work as centers for the initial collection of documents for the provision of administrative services. yes , it is possible, igor. please tell me, do you also keep some kind of internal record of people in this community? especially on the topic of education - this well, it should have been carried out, because not knowing how many

schoolchildren they had, they could not, they would not have been able to start the educational process normally, so they counted the schoolchildren and the teachers, i i already understand everyone in the regional state administration. i contacted the departments of education. they have detailed information on each community. well, we are not. we, as a program, simply contribute to the activities of these institutions. we do not make it our main task to list all it is done by the communities and collected by the administration, but everything is normal here. as for the social categories of socially vulnerable categories, this process is only for the beginning because it is very difficult to do and most of those who have moved from these categories have already turned to of social assistance centers at the place of

relocation, and here is a very big challenge, how to harmonize these bases, this will be a very difficult , difficult task, as for hospitals, there is a very interesting situation here, there are many patients knowing that their doctors have moved and i know, if these were good doctors and they remember the positive experience of communicating with them, they simply found them themselves, then it's easier. igor, please tell me, do you see growth points in all of this, but relatively speaking, if everything will be fine community they will return to their territorial boundaries, and how will this experience change them? well, what they saw how other communities live in other parts of ukraine, uh, well, let's say that all these eight years of decentralization were also a

stressful experience for them, they lived in in such a situation and this war is just now checking them for stability, he is already receiving data that they saw how other communities live . we made a lot of so-called stage visits for them to get to know each other, but now they, well, even in such conditions, they will do it simply much more deeply. i think they will try to find simply non-standard forms, including conducting new business and antisocial the services will simply become the most viable because i will be able to improve the dialogue and constant contact of the service delayers.

thank you very much, mr. igor, for taking the time to talk about it on our broadcast, the topic is very narrow, but on the other hand, it is very important for survival on at the local level and thank you for what you are doing , helping the communities to become stronger and more capable. agibalov, the head of the office of yuli with europe in the luhansk region, which is temporarily uh, almost all of it is occupied, but the community found a way of self-government and moved to other territories of ukraine, keeping its form of economic and administrative, well, in different situations, in whom, but in principle, they crystallize in other territories and survive , this is important to us now. we will show a specific example of a specific community, this is the head vadim gaev, his name is mr. vadim. congratulations,

igor and i talked a little about luhansk oblast. and you are a concrete example of relocation . the luhansk regions are actually spread over the territory not only of ukraine but also of many european countries, our residents are even in canada and great britain, we don't have such a large concentration, you know, like in big cities, for example, i know that the popasnya community it was concentrated in the novomoskovsk district and in the city of novomoskovsk, we still have a much smaller population, we have statistics and we see that most of the residents of our community are currently located in dnipropetrovsk, we have problems with communication, now

we will try to renew contact with vadym gaev, this is the head of the novopskov settlement community about the experience of relocation, what is relocation - it is a change of actual location, that is, a change of position, the community was in the luhansk region, the occupiers came there, the community took over and someone moved, i do i understand that it was outlined, it was divided into groups, and some were simply russian somewhere, but formally the community was preserved correctly, mr. volodymyr, the local self- government body is like the village council. challenges and we are also trying to resolve all these problems. this is again a very large number of appeals from people and with the help of clarifications, this is