what exactly to such a scale, because as you remember, we have already talked about it specifically since the 15th year, here there is directly engaged in exceeding the e-e let's say the scientific and technical basis of the re-equipment of the air force and that is why as of the 20th year we came to the conclusion that one of these elements should be the f-15 in no way denies 16 and any other aircraft 18 especially emphasizes 18 including why as 15 i will also repeat that this is the father of the su-27 and all its of today's reincarnations of the su-35 as the last directed by the thrust vector and essentially now returning to the question and what to do today, we need to divide the question into two: what we need to fight, what to fight today, this is not related to what we have through after our

victory. after a few years, the air i will explain why today it is necessary to proceed only from what is available and what cannot be, and in this matter i absolutely support mr. oleg that the most widespread of the most massive western aircraft of the fourth generation, in various modifications, is of course in 16 let's say it yes, the kalashnikov assault rifle, if compared to the f15 stormtroopers, the f 15th is a today's long-range sniper rifle with 2 km, which can be considered these, what is the f15, it is a powerful heavy weapon, the so-called offset, that is, which works from a long distance and works primarily on ground targets retired by means of air defense, we will also return to harmer missiles and others, so i will summarize, we divide the question into two, what are we fighting today

, today, let's imagine 5:15 f16 said that several f15 aircraft are needed for the specific work of aviation the special forces need a large armada 16 in order to defend the airspace precisely as a defense, because as 15 is an offensive component, 16 is more of a defensive component, and then we will talk about the future in the future, now i will remind you once again, i will explain my approach, which was guided by being in various high management positions of antonov and having an influence on the decisions of the okrugroprom, it is possible for the ministry of defense of the time to proceed with the added value that this project cannot provide, the goal is not only to get, to walk with an outstretched hand, to ask, give us, give us something done, what will you ukrainians do? in 5 years, by the way, i congratulate everyone on the day of knowledge. because our knowledge is, first of all, the future of our children, grandchildren of our state, with a capital letter

of the state, we must participate in the chains to the given value first such an element, you remember, was the seven plane that was offered for assembly in anton, not just to receive it as a gift, as a tax, what do you call it? how exactly do you want to give us the opportunity to participate with brains and hands in this plane and also to arm it and it has already been announced that they are all being considered and secretly considered as one of the applicants for a possible temporary replacement, we know that there is nothing more permanent than a temporary replacement of the f16 . well, f15 if we were talking about x at that time. yes, it is possible for us while the operations were ready to hand over the production of some components, part of the maintenance, of course, about the production of provocation in ukraine was found, that is, i as

a scientist, how exactly is an engineer close to production design, fought for participation in the division of labor, they dragged her to ukraine, and i call on everyone who is currently involved in decision-making on the choice of this or that platform and aircraft, first of all, think about how you will be on this have their own part of the job in that the planes all fly, they all fly well because these are all planes according to the specification that are too developed they have approximately the same arsenal of weapons it is also clear that i am in the 16th what to do and even those 15 f15s are true again just like the spetsnaz he has there are some specific tasks and specific weapons, but in principle, the standard set is the same, we are only talking about different ones. i avoided mentioning the word combat all the time. well, today i will say god is a sign, always say tactical radius. well, i will say combat radius . this is an average. yes, the f-15 is a

heavy or even super-heavy aircraft, and what this gives them is that they have a different distance, a combat radius and a different load of weapons, that is, the f-15 for ukraine can be climbed from the west, which west points i'm not saying that this is an airfield, you can't lift it from the airfield, you can see right away that they will try to determine from some point where you can take off to reach the other extreme point diametrically opposite ukraine. work there and return intact and damaged back to the same western point with a large arsenal weapons will not be able to do this. 16 it will have to work at smaller radii, and dills will work at even less radii. here is a set of data that i would like to put through the brains of everyone, first of all, for the future think about ukraine's participation in this or that project, well, india is making reasonable progress, offset is taking

almost 90% of the work for itself." well, first of all, you should just applaud the crowd because, well, the approach that has been voiced is the maximum speed, well, it is as simple as possible, it is logically correct, in general, in principle, the second aspect , if we are talking about the fact that we are really holding a tender, then these are the same conditions if we look at 20 -30 years ahead this is one condition, other conditions are

needed now and such an election situation is what if some country will simply offer any plane, even if it heats up, even if it is a eurofighter, even if the rafale wants to be in 16 , even if it is level eight, any of these planes, we will gladly accept it, even if they are right now, as turkey says, well, we have an f4 phantom, you want to take it, we will take it and we will be extremely grateful for the aircraft that we really need right now. that is, we can solve a situation when we have to simultaneously solve two diametrically opposed tasks. plane and this, of course, will be only exclusively in the 15th which, especially if you take the modern version, and that is, it is just a universal machine, which, for the sake of understanding, it weighs there, the take-off weight is, if i am not mistaken, 36 tons, that is, it is three times heavier than the 16- and for the e-e

flu , that is, for understanding. 15 of them are used in general in more than 25 16th verse in most countries of the world. that is, you don’t have a man’s plane, really a kalashnikov assault rifle is in the air there, there are 25 countries of operators from 25 countries of operators, and in the 15th of the operators, it is only israel, arabia , singapore, japan and korea that is, all the countries, well, which, well, are significantly superior in terms of economy and the ability to keep this plane in the air, because one currency hour costs, after all, well, according to various sources, starting from 30,000 dollars, that is, well, it is an extremely difficult plane from the point of view of maintenance and it needs, well, an extremely expanded infrastructure on the ground, on the other hand, it has, for example, the 16th, which was chosen by er, 25 countries of the world, it

soaked its elite time here. well, according to various sources, there, on average, 8-12 thousand dollars , that is, well it is cheaper, but its possibilities are much less. you also need to understand that if you abstractly had the choice of renting planes there for a year, it’s just that there is an opportunity to rent planes there for a month. f-15 and because they will solve all the problems that can only be imagined. if we measure ourselves by the fact that this aircraft must solve problems now and then another one will be operated until the 20th, or until the 40th year abstract, then in my opinion the choice is really possible in the 16- and because all the neighbors around us, i.e. just poland, romania, bulgaria, turkey, they chose this particular plane and this plane will definitely live for a very long time, because the order is from the idiots , the order for this plane is up to the 31st year

of evaluation in 1,100 cars to 1,400 is already solid the contract for the us state's export of these aircraft, alexander, of course, i will ask you about the uniqueness of the use of the f-15, whether there are any counterarguments to what oleg said, because really these arguments about the f16 as the most optimal machine can be heard a lot from different offices. i think that in some way this is this approach. well, it is necessary to somehow dispel the possibilities of other options that do not have any contradiction. i actually said that an f-16 class aircraft is needed to solve simpler family problems. i am in favor of this. i'm just saying, i'm emphasizing something else, so that in addition to the f-16, you can't stop at only 16, and i also support

the words of mr. oleg that today we need either a green light or ask for military-technical assistance to receive an f-15 aircraft for a while and in his today's configuration, in order to resolve the issue with our south as soon as possible, i will not specifically name the places with our east where special radio-technical and other means of our worst primordial enemy are located, which must be gotten rid of and it will do the best and sometimes and only this can be done by an aircraft like the 15i, here is today’s one, which is exactly what i am talking about. i am not saying that for the future we will have as many as 15 in service. we have advantages in the air, we partially have the ability to contain the air, but there is no advantage

dongfend super world, they are a self-made idea, then we need an f-15 plane, and in several pieces, as i said, we also need a lot of f-16 armadas, we do not need the most modern, all modifications are enough for us which will solve many of the issues in viber. i have never asked for them. there are no free ones on the market. now we are talking about the fact that we really do not have any surpluses , but they can be transferred from stocks, by the way. under specific conditions , a two-engine plane is in any case more optimal than a single-engine plane, including even you know when i was accused by people who only look at the surface characteristics, but the f-15 is sorry, the f 16 is faster than the two-engine f18

no cruising speed combat speed f18 exceeds the speed in the 16th we need to competently talk about certain characteristics i have a question for oleg how many countries have in their aircraft fleet two types of aircraft relatively speaking f15 f16 there are such countries well yes of course that is, all countries that in fact, they have 15 and they use them exclusively for specific tasks . that is, it is not a so-called soldier plane. that is, all countries, for example, also from the same japan, well, in my opinion, it is shorter, but look at the one in japan and the edge, for example, of countries that understand that in the event of war they will face an enemy that significantly outnumbers them in the air and on the ground. but in principle , that is, if you take them, then in japan together in the 15th, their version f16 f2 works, if i am not mistaken, the name of this the licensed version of the 16th year, in fact, it also

works in korea with the f-16 team. if you take it that way, israel - operates both f-15 and f-16 at the same time, including localized versions, that is, a country that would actually have only 15 in its arsenal and even saudi arabia does not have one huge financial opportunities, she simultaneously operates the f-15 and the europeans. when oleksandr talks about the fact that it is better to rent an f-15 for a short period of time, we treat an e-e plane, while we treat such a car where you all went, but of course we will say yes the question of pilot training arises, is this a serious challenge or is there some standard in terms of time that would allow us to say whether we need a certain period of time to master the same f15 or f16, but you are probably the only one for you , mr. oleksandr will comment later, that is it is simply public information that was conducted by the pentagon in general regarding the terms of

pilot training, for example, on 16-th aircraft, which can be considered much easier to operate and whether the use of night 16 and these conditions are the only thing about the fact that the pilot already knows how to fly in principle, that is, he has already passed all the necessary trainings. he is a full-fledged cadet and he even knows how to use weapons from airplanes. he passes. on the 16th and uh, there the course is divided into training, theoretically, a month exclusively of theory, after that flight practice begins, an average of 30 sorties are carried out, that is, 30 days for each of the stages, that is, flight training, air combat , ground uh, a separate course for the destruction of ground objects facilities and a separate training program for air defense breakthroughs, all this stretches for six months, that is, for you to understand that even if we train the best pilots in

our ukrainians, who have the most confidence through the now we have real combat experience, so this is a half -year course, well, there is no way we will be able to compress it to a month, for example, that is, we are talking about several months, and if the course is standard, then even six months for training, oleksandr wanted to ask you in this vein, ataman better we take squadrons of 12 fighters there, we train 16 pilots, and then we mention the technicians and it seems that there should not be 16 technicians, but there should be 40. who should have a great command of the english language, know the procedure, and so on, is it a dead end, is it possible to find a way out of this challenge, no tpc. believe today, young people who speak english, by the way, who were technicians on boeing 737a320 planes, who stood in line at

the beginning of the war, let us on f16 give me number 15 , they number in the hundreds, not tens, it's just a question of organization, you know the joke what's so distributed in the armed forces that everyone gets through the ground forces, sometimes curiosities happen, it just has to be to approach this issue correctly from an organizational point of view, you don't see any problems in order to prepare technicians for the maintenance of western aircraft, moreover, i will say that it's a funny situation. it 's precisely because in civil aviation, all technicians are mainly english-speaking because we must operate yerbas and people have licenses to the highest levels to carry out fear times and so on. that is, this is a difficult form of maintenance of engine maintenance, we also had all this and there are people who

did not go anywhere, on top of them they serve in the armed forces, but not on the aviation specialties of the military accounting specialty, this is how it turned out, can you flip and there is still part of the nominal equipment, as i also need to take into account when ordering this or that aircraft, but what is nice about the combination that we will make and talk about with you, the f-16 was created as an addition auxiliary aircraft for the f-15 they are unified by the engine they are unified by the weapon control system well, of course, as a platform they differ, that is, all the equipment of the aircraft is different, it is unique and specific now creates a very big head, a big headache for the air force of the united states of america, they raised the issue of decommissioning the 16th, replacing it with something else easier, and so on . here the combination of f

15 16 from a logistical point of view is the most suitable and from the point of view of training the technical staff just right i say that there is an advantage here training pilots, you and i have heard different versions of rumors hints and so on that something was happening something is happening by the way only the issue of flights lies in the political plane that we now need to push it and first of all i see on ukrainian territory olezhe oleksandr mentioned the requirements for lithuania, requirements for equipment and so on at the time literally a couple of weeks ago, the minister of defense varshikov said that we are talking about f16, there are problems with airports, but we have found a certain way out, what is the point of these statements of the minister of defense? well, it really just exists in

well, it seems to me that you in society were formed thanks to a successful, in fact, uh, advertising company saba is such an aspect and idea that the gripin can be operated from highways and this is supposedly the only aircraft of the fourth plus generation that can be operated in such conditions, in fact , if we are honest and frank, then the f-15 and in 16 yes, in general, any the aircraft of the fourth plus generation can be operated from highways, and these exercises are regularly conducted both in nato countries and in any others, for example, in singapore or taiwan. that is, all countries that operate western fighter jets can operate them strass relative to the gripin, it is really quite possible that it is a little easier eh hmmm let ’s say the conditions in operation eh but they are not separately critical but there is a significant difference between the griffin ot, for example, another western plane

, for example, even in fuel what are the fines for the information that green does not fly on standard aviation fuel intended for fighter jets, but on jet one fuel for civilian aircraft, and there were even certain problems with gripen compatibility during joint nato operations in one of the african countries. that is, there were such problems and that's why, once again, this is the case if somehow our airfields are not suitable for nato aviation and we need a special aircraft for this, then it seems to me that this is a little different from the correct approach when we bring all the infrastructure up to nato standards. which aircraft, whether american or european, should be operated on our lithuanians, that is, it seems to me that here it is necessary to look for not some specific option, but exclusively to find ways of unification with the entire aircraft fleet of nato countries, in principle

oleksandr and to oleg oleksandr to oleksandr, mr. oleksandr, you know all the bureaucratic processes that are connected with the adoption of this or that decision that our state is going through, well, regarding difficult issues, in particular, the oversupply of the same planes. we will have to wait until we receive the first western plane at our airport if we approach this harshly, as at one time i managed to be involved in the process and achieve a hard and fast decision accepted, then from the signing of the relevant documents to the delivery, i will still say that now we primarily need 15 more, since my 29 are still working and as a support you will not be able to work, then on the 15th we will be able to receive today that we have

september, well, through half a year in the middle of the spring of next year, which means that maybe we should already start anticipating the pilot training processes for both the f-16 and the 15, taking into account that there is an absolutely loyal attitude to such a step on the part of the paid states and even allocated to finance olezhe well to me it seems so. well, of course, there is such a possibility , that is, we are just talking about the terms of six months - this is a huge term, of course, and now because we have, well, excuse me . it's a very far away place, and i wanted to hope that in the abstract tomorrow , the usa will report that and we prepared pilots and such and such. we count reality and

the reality of the transition period, where we need aircraft with greater capabilities to impress enemy targets, then we have this kind of symbiosis of a combination of existing platforms and western weapons that we demonstrated precisely on the mig-29. i would like to ask oleg if there is a possibility to expand the spectrum of such possibilities based on the experience we gained with the use of harm missiles. in fact, the fact that the air force of ukraine even showed the use of hm harom e-e with aggers 48 harum was able to on the 29th well, it just spread all the cards provides, that is, our ukrainian aircraft is used, which received such a unique opportunity, and if i am not mistaken, this is the first case of integration of precisely american missiles under the wing of any soviet aircraft, if we are not talking about special such research projects, which did not remain like that, relatively and in fact so, after this

aspect e, there are real and simple ways for the possible integration of other weapons , and if you look at the fact that the aircraft’s weapons make up at least 50% of its combat power efficiency well, this is an extremely important aspect. we can also look at the experience of other countries, and for example, first of all, azerbaijan, that is, having the mig-29 and su-25 aircraft in service, with minimal, most likely, modernizations, it was able to integrate for example, the israeli aydr missile with a flight range of about 100 km, and it, well, in my opinion, is quite similar in terms of capabilities to the russian r-77 e-e, and again, the integration was on planes that did not undergo a global update all onboard of the radar complex, as well as an interesting

aspect, in this case, azerbaijan also bought from turkey stels cruise missiles, which, in view of everything, are also used with the mig-29, that is, in fact, in such a transitional period. in my opinion, the only such chance to increase the fighting capacity of our fighters is the integration of western weapons, but somehow yes, mr. oleksandr . - this is actually an element of the e-e combat system where the finding of receiving information is on the first plan and when britain says that it is ready to share information for wax or provide a single information field for our planes, then i would like you to explain to our viewers - how will this help our combat platforms, even in the format that oleg spoke about there, the soviet platform is a foreign weapon,

but the information, the information field is general, that's what provides us with an advantage here. let me tell you a little about futuristic. and by the way, please remember my development when i said at last year’s exhibition that the main task of this aircraft is to be in the mode of radio training, but at the same time have the ability to hit the target, even we asked me. and what is this it will be for a specific radar and so on, then i dodged the questions so that you would not provoke the russian side, of course i said that this is a missile defense plane , well, in fact, it is, and it really is a flying wing. bristled with the control surfaces, although on a sixth-generation aircraft it is not entirely clear why this is so, my diet keeps, and i will ask our

directors to find a video about the ace of one unmanned complex that was presented at the security weapons exhibition, because it is a completely new project that oleksandr los implemented at one time exactly, thank you very much, exactly, and oh, please, continue , yes, how to achieve this very radio silence and how to count targets, the concept is not new, according to such a concept, the f-22 should have received little. and of course, it has a radar on board for search and destruction , then it will already be equipped with the most modern and i am now a gift, but the main means of the whole speech, just in this mode, is some kind of awax aircraft or long-range radar reconnaissance aircraft, that is, at a long distance there is an air radar that searches for located targets and transmits information from the entire sermon to the platform that we now see on

the screen, which launches the rocket according to the pre-stopped information for such a tree, therefore the platform itself, which is the carrier of the parquet or eh planners of so-called or ordinary even bombs are for as the emitter of radio waves is invisible, and also because it has signs of radio reduced radioactivity, it can penetrate deep into the frantic system of radio technical means of the enemy's air defense to strike and open the way for the operation of already fourth-generation aircraft of four plus plus generations for hammering the advantage of the air what is a completely modern concept that is oriented towards the future but can we talk about the fact that the existing platforms, in particular, you are ours mig-29 su-27 with new western weapons can be integrated into the information field that provides us with avax, this is a question for oleg. well,

the point is that it is necessary to understand that, for example, in the american system, there is just such a system as link 16, that is, the transmission of information to the government and the mode through even satellites was fulfilled, that is, roughly speaking, what the operators see on the avax monitors is also seen by the pilot who is in the cockpit , for example, f16, that is, such a system. taking into account that our planes did not undergo replacement of the onboard radio-electronic equipment in that sense. how should it be, that is, when we are talking about a real fourth-generation aircraft with all systems for transmitting data, processing and exchanging information, of course there is no such thing, but again, it is not a fact that our specialists, who were able to integrate it on their own, even offered the united states to use the same charm ie how is it earned at all well this is a brilliant solution how