to change like this exactly because it is unprofitable for russia let's say to close these wells because there is no sale of what it was, it is all burned today and therefore a-a there is a proposal from the us treasury so that we do not introduce, let's say this, the world democratic community embargo one hundred percent on russian energy resources they simply bought them at such a nominal value so that they simply went to zero so to speak the usa is really killing two birds with one stone because this will also cause a significant drop in oil and gas prices in the world. simka discussed the idea of ​​creating a mechanism by which it would be possible to control the prices of both oil and gas in order not to allow russia, under

sanctions due to price increases, to make more money in some places because we saw such an effect, so that sanctions are one of the points, they partially led to an increase in prices in some places, and russia, in fact, began to sell less, began to earn more, and indeed this mechanism began to be discussed, but as far as i understand, there is no final option yet, but it is connected with in order to create a mechanism with this, i want to say something else, for some reason we don't talk about it less. but i remember that in volodymyr zelenskyi's hall in the office of president andriy yaremchuk yermak, they were considering what mechanism so that, for example, russia would continue supply gas to europe, but the funds it keeps for this, for example, were accumulated in a special account that russia can potentially receive only after the end of the war in ukraine, this , by the way, could also be one of the incentives, well, at least partial incentives for everyone to understand

that a - well, europe, roughly speaking, it will use its gas there, for example, but russia will be able to receive funds only after changing its behavior on the world stage and in this context, the situations are related to the war. that is, it is one of the options that e can consider these plus i think it is very important for us to understand what will happen next with the price of gas for our consumers in the context of the heating season, i know you yourself noted that our price is fixed for february 23, i know that this sivanchuk they met in the coming days they will still be adopted by separate new laws related to fixing the price for gas consumers for our heating season, because this is one of the super-key topics for us that need to be implemented additionally, bohdan well, you agree that this and the mechanism can work as a tool in relation to the fact that oleksiy said that give it

today, you get the money later well, i have some doubts about such a balanced and joint energy policy of all western countries because, on the one hand, before a certain large-scale invasion why, by the way, the same europe, yes, the european union, germany, directly to other countries, for many years built and deepened energy relations with russia because they did not want to also have a certain dependence on e-e liquefied gas that was supplied by the united states of america, which was more expensive in principle, and it is essentially more expensive, that is why they always tried to have their own independent energy policy . consolidation in all positions of energy coincide, and i will explain why. because there are different levels

of dependence of one or another country on russian energy flows and in accordance with of this dependence, the internal concept of the transition or rejection of russian energy is formed. if some countries have only a small percentage of them , they usually fully support ukraine and fully support the park, although in fact, if we talk about those countries that were very dependent on russian gas, it is first of all, there is germany, what we hear is italy, poland , for example, and according to the latest opinion polls there , as of the spring of this year, two-thirds of poles, two-thirds are ready to give up completely russian energy resources as an option, let's not forget about diversification, which is already working in the

european union, and norway is increasing the supply, well , the production of its own supply in the european union, yes , algeria, qatar, and many other different variations, the same kazakhstan and the like are ready kazakhstan 20 billion per year can supply it a little, but still i am talking about whether it is possible to say that this process is no longer reversible, after all, well, i said in a previous comment that the process is seriously changing. i mean the global context of reorientation of energy flows, that is, the consequences of russian aggression, a full-scale invasion, will have not for a year, not for two, but for many years , but in the context of reorientation. but in my opinion , for some reason, the russians have chosen a rollback strategy. after the end of the war, they will try to use their channels and the influence of communication at different levels. who will still

be there or not in the european union to roll back the situation and roll it back? to partially return the market of the european union, which has always been and will be attractive for them, we saw this after the 14th year after the illegal annexation of crimea and after donbas, and unfortunately the reaction of both the european and the world community was weak then and the energy crisis actually deepened, we hope what lessons will our partners learn and in the future there will really be even more diversification and rejection of aggression aggressive or energy ee needle on which russia always wants to stick and even wound her by the way we are talking about him he also in the background wants to renew our ability to export energy against the background of the russians. i mean, well, under the sanctions, let's not forget to provide our comprehensive support to the russian

federation in the war in ukraine . understands that iran is also partially waiting for a certain a certain moment in order to, against the background of an even greater aggressor russia, in principle offer the same opportunities to its western partners, and now, after all , consultations regarding the nuclear so-called there are certain points that, in principle, iran would go to and maybe even stop the supply of the same drones if the west, first of all, the united states of america, somewhere partially lifted the sanctions on the export of their energy resources. i also believe that i think that one of the questions is also about the full charge on russian gas in the context of the european union, well, we understand that this is a question, including how

decisions are made in the european union, they are made by consensus and very well well, we saw new information, even yes, there are certain countries that continue to increase, for example , the same hungary and the purchase of russian gas , that is, only hungary so far, hungary, but let's be honest, what you are saying is that hungary can act as a mere proxy it is far from a fact that they have all this gas, they will use this gas - potentially, some other third countries of the european union can also use it. for example, mr. scholz is talking about this, about changing from a consensual nature to the principle of the majority, and if there is a principle of the majority, the potential approach of this embargo on gas from russia will be much closer, because individual small countries will not be able to block, in which case, i have a similar decision then to maksym, the question is, are we now essentially talking about, well, such possible,

probable tools of circumventing sanctions, and secondary sanctions should probably be imposed on such actions, yes, well, in essence, what you are saying is hungary can help russia circumvent sanctions, just like other countries do, there are quite a few of them, by the way, maxim, do you think that among the members of the european union, there may be those who will help russia to do this, i think that we will see it in the near future, because the concept of prices tomorrow, on friday, september 2, the ministers of the g7 were to discuss the plan to set a maximum price for russian hydrocarbons, and on september 14, all the members of the soviet union will present a european plan to limit the price, and that's when i will vote

for price restrictions, that's when we will see how united europe is, because it's one thing to declare now that individual countries cannot live without the purchase of russian gas or oil at the market price of russian gas or oil, another matter when it will be said . let's make it a guarantor mechanism, we see a cheaper resource for you, and then, apart from political counterparties, there will be nothing left against which scheme. i think that there will be very active consultations, but on public as they are now going about the mechanism, but when the mechanism will be presented to everyone and there will be no economic counterparties against it, i think even those countries that now buy, well, buy

russian resources, support this mechanism because it is simply profitable and to appear to be the one who scattered supports it is contrary to the interests of their own consumers and does not want gasoline in hungary became cheaper, i think that this is a very incredible scenario, so when the formula is proposed, i think that there will be many opponents of it, well, in the end, we remember who at the beginning most resisted this sanction pressure, restrictions, this it is germany, which is the largest consumer of russian gas among other countries of the european union, well, it was like that, because there is already a tendency to decrease, but let's remember the statement of the minister there , who is german, who said that he is ready to spend less time, and personally, the statements of other ministers who noted that we can freeze a little this winter and we will suffer, but it will

speed up let's say our release from this gas by the russian cord and in the years to come it will be much easier for us, so let's remember about the fact that despite the fact that ukraine continues to insist on the introduction of full energy sanctions against russia in the european union, nevertheless, a ban on the purchase of import or transit transportation of russian coal and other solid fuels has already entered into force in great britain, and as part of the sixth package of sanctions, the european union has introduced a ban on the purchase import or transfer of crude oil and some oil products from russia and here is what is important. the minister of foreign affairs of germany, elena berbork, stated that the bundestag will not remove sanctions from russia even if protests will begin in ukraine due to high electricity prices, it can be assumed that this is exactly what will happen, because i will remind you that it is against the background of them that the action on the increase of tariffs is more expensive than life because of the commission of products and so

on . is the opposition to the current government, they play on this, and they are exactly well, they are called at least exactly pro-russian , this taliv, france, germany, and so on, p. oleksiy , can we say that this is exactly how they will adhere to this, i don't quite i agree that it is necessary for left-wing politics to mean money, because the alternative for germany is for example, it is a right-wing political force that very actively cooperates with the eu, or at least declared its cooperation with russia, or will you remember ms. lipin, is it also a right-wing politician? i used to talk a lot about solutions from the wing, that is, the right-wing politicians are you, you are the one who deals with this very often, perhaps the most. but the fact remains that russia really has a calculation that if you wait longer it seems that they are now using exactly this strategy in relation to europe, that there will be elections in europe, that the european

voter can really think. this political force offers a lower price for gas there, for tariffs for something else. political power will do it. it will already be another question. i think that russia has a similar calculation, but here there is. it seems to me that it is strategic not to take into account the other situation in europe. in fact, the shocked situations are connected with the invasion of russia into ukraine, and this shock remains because this is the biggest war in europe after 1945 , it seemed that something like this is no longer possible in europe and this is a shock for europeans, in fact, it is not only about the economy, it is about the fact that certain rules that in this part of the world were considered more- less established, and therefore believe that russia will be able to get over it so easily, and then everything in europe will change and they will change their course, to be honest, it seems to me that it will not be quite as fast as

they hope in russia, that is, it may arise here history that we can see it now. by the way, despite all the difficulties, well, european politicians understand that if they swallow it once again now, and even more so at such a large-scale moment, it will simply open pandora's box not only in relation to russia, there is a lot in the country in the world of countries that would like to start territorial redistributions. they have claims against some other countries, and that is, what is called a kind of pandora's box will begin, which is open, so i think that at the moment the european union is here, you know when there is uh well, this is terezi, yes economic moments and political moments well, they are currently, as we can see, political moments prevail even from germany, which at first looked like this, had a very cautious position, and with regard to russia, notice how ofsholtz is radicalizing in relation to sanctions on by the way, even to military aid to ukraine, mr. bohdane, in terms of patience and understanding, after all, if we are not talking about the

leaders in the european union, not about the prime minister, ministers and so on, but about people in general who, well, it is possible that someone still lives with a refrigerator there someone with a tv, but in general, if we talk about certain countries, they will be able to endure, so to speak, i would hope that it would be so, but the problem is that really, as citizens of the european union, they are somewhat used to it and more comfortable there is less life to the point that, in principle , plus or minus prices sometimes rise or fall, but they are predicted, so uh, i completely uh share the opinion that the context and world perception of russia is changing in the european union, not only at the political level, it will depend on politics here directly in this or that country and the political

forces of the parties regarding the actual argumentation of reporting and responding to these negative phenomena for ordinary people and citizens in the context of price increases because, well, nobody likes collectibles to be raised like this, and especially when critical stages such as these occur and this affects directly on your life, but on the other hand, we in ukraine also need to clarify and repeat why this is happening, who is really to blame in this situation, that it is russian aggression what is it? they are completely to blame for the situation that is currently taking place and the life of the average citizens of the european union is reflected in it, plus our ukrainian citizens, of whom there are already many abroad who were forced to move and are now living in different eu member states

. this is precisely the question of their involvement. to at the local levels. it is precisely this kind of work and such clarification because it is this contact and relationship and having a connection with ukraine or with someone from ukraine that affects the worldview of people in i have many friends who, after the full-scale invasion back in february, we talked with them. they said that we are ready to suffer a little cold, but this is not the case. indeed, such aggression must have its price and russia must pay in full. this only applies to energy resources. can we still talk ? that there is understanding where to lose, and sometimes not significantly, for example, in trade relations with the russian federation . let's talk about the appeals of russia to the ukrainian authorities regarding border crossing restrictions and non-extradition a visa on the seizure of the property of russians and those related to

putin's entourage abroad, and transfers actually in use, well, about many, many tools in which european leaders have to make important decisions, this should also apply. in my opinion, yes, but here the question is that, for example if we take business, business interests, well, it is always a slightly different polarity, because for business, in principle, there were no problems with the annexation of crimea, yes, i mean for european business, they felt fine in the domestic market the russian federation has a very large market and everyone was comfortable, but now it is necessary to do everything so that these fuses will work in the future, so that there is an understanding in business and large players of transnational corporations that this unpredictability and reputational losses are on the scales, they can affect much more than it is negative for business than there is making money and working with russia. and what

concerns the visa policy. well, there are certain disagreements between the political forces of different countries. because some still believe that there is a part of the citizens who are opposed to putin there, they are against the war and they believe that it is not always necessary to limit their opportunities, for example, to immigrate from russia. when they are threatened with massacre or imprisonment there, that is why the internal discussion continues here. i think there will be a balanced decision regarding the restrictions unequivocally but not completely, rather maksym, the question for you is whether it is possible to talk about the assessment of this sanctions pressure in terms of limiting the purchase and sale of fossil resources by russians this will be the end, yes, can we talk about the fact that the sanctions will be expanded, well, in particular, for the nuclear power plant, for the occupation of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and for

some other things, but there are already many discussions that may be possible. there, the eighth package of sanctions is talking about a 100% restriction the banking system in relation to involvement in swift is a complete embargo, there are many variables, there may be a lot more, but in your opinion, and currently the text starts with the negotiations on the eighth package of sanctions of the european union, and so our friends of eastern europe and the baltic countries are already offer that he had a contribution, what they offered, to be honest, even from the first package, a complete embargo. this was a very first lesson, if it was so. besides, i think that in the eighth package, a secondary station or a mechanism for complying with existing sanctions should come out, that is, in these months, we see that russia due to the parallel import of many goods. if, on the one hand, we do not care whether

they receive botox through turkey or e.e. medications through georgia, however, we do not care about dual-use technology in particular microchips can be delivered through neutral countries, so let's hope that, in addition to the expansion of the eighth package, there will be strict measures to obtain already existing sanctions and eliminate schemes for bypassing existing stations that have already been debugged and are already quite well known. moreover , these countries are neutral, which are they allow themselves to have something to lose. georgia has declared its intention to join the eu, although it is not currently a candidate, and turkey is a member of nato, kazakhstan is a member of the

osce, and so on, all the same for all of them. the european market is important, the american market is important and will be a member of the international national community, it is important in what way, uh, i think that if the eighth package is adopted in september before the beginning of the heating season, if it is unlikely that you can count on a full tank, mr. maksym, if we talk about the same thing in tightening already of existing stations must and must be calculated, a maximum of one out of 5 minutes is left for everyone at their word, let’s give it evenly yes, evenly, but on the last question, let’s summarize the sanctioning pressure of restrictions on them after all, it’s different. all this should contribute to the fact that russia lost the opportunity to finance its war machine and launch a war in the future. but if we talked at the beginning of a large-scale invasion there in the first months about the fact that it is justified, eh,

analytical economic, yes, that gdp will fall there that there will be a stagnation of the ruble, it will be cheaper there, you are russian, something else, in the last months, let's say, other numbers have appeared there and the russians are talking about it, maybe it is an order, maybe it is a lobby , but there the washington post economist writes about the fact that russia seems to be recovering, i have a question at the expense of what and what can be done to prevent this recovery from happening, and maybe refute this information maksim maslo and then oleksiy and the fact is that the sanctions pressure is a contract long-term history, we can see this examples of ukraine by example and wound , for example. in this way, we mean that everything in russia becomes expensive, or that it goes bankrupt, or that orange juice runs dry, initially costing $100 per pack, of course, to cut off the financial system and from high technologies that they themselves unable to make money, this in particular applies to

gas production in russia. all the oil and gas service companies have left, they will not tell our viewers their names, for example, the marriage bank. however, this is much more important than the loss of the market by one or 20 billion cubic meters, because it is a long-term thing that they will not be able to and in the long term, the ability to finance one's military machine due to excess profits for the fight against carbohydrates will undoubtedly decrease there are 60-80% and a lot. you can list the companies that are closing down, there are already obvious facts of economic stagnation, but i didn’t read it. well, look really at the fact that it just seems to me that the effect of the sanctions is really the expectations that will be that it will be very fast and so on. actually, i am too i expected that this is more likely in the medium and long term, and russia is looking for various

loopholes that exist in the world capitalist system , it uses them, well. for example, a-a certain interactions with china or turkey. that is, among other things. well, we can also see this, that is, there are other countries that are sometimes ready to play a role in the country that want to make money from the sanctions imposed against russia, and these countries, in this case, are also ready to play a kind of role of intermediaries thanks to which russia receives certain resources but these are not the funds of russia, it could receive everything equally again, even the supply of oil. well, yes, india, for example , they began to occupy china. but they buy with dumping. russia sells to them, but it does not earn from this dumping. who and how much russia wanted to sell so and so, that's why it's all about that. that is, it does not earn from the funds that it could potentially earn, and therefore in the long term it is actually a loss. well, i'm not talking about the tens of billions of euros that russia kept in the west

countries, they are now arrested, she cannot use them. that is, it also affects directly, mr. bohdan, well, in the end, you can remember the thesis of russian propagandists who say that the russian people are hardy and will leave the big cities to the forests and villages as an option, well, before that, there may be a problem here someday, you understand, because when, except for propaganda, nothing in particular has happened for many years, it has a certain habituation effect, and the same is the case with the same russians, well, sometimes it is already the feeling that this propaganda has really got into their heads so much that they are ready to actually go to the forests there, but to be in shape and to realize their ambitions, that's why the danger here in the sanctions policy is important, and what about us ukrainians it is important for us to the effect was not only there, in the long-term perspective, we really hoped and hope

that the sanctions will directly affect the decision-making process and the possibilities of further aggressive russia, and we see that sometimes problems arise with this. but again, sanctions the policy is multifaceted, that is, it really needs the consolidation of all the positions, especially of the western partners, even around the sanctions policy, there is a certain uh, certain uh, uh fusion, i would say deterrence in countermeasures of russian aggression, this is a very important tool and a process that must be continued, but in any case, we remember how stiffly they responded to the calls of the ukrainian authorities, and in europe, even in the united states, it is at the beginning even before a large-scale invasion, but this process has begun and it is already these are facts, this is positive, let's hope that the gdp will still fall, my hands are the trumpets of the world, we control yermak mak-foly, who is trying to fix all these things. so thank you for the

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