well, as you heard, she would even say that it is the union that needs to be liquidated, because this is also a soviet mechanism, it seems that it has existed since 1934. you yourself understand what the union was doing during the existence of the soviet union, and only then, when ukraine became independent, is this union too i was busy with the fact that they were organizing some kind of event there and nothing special was happening , and mr. tkachenko, the minister of culture and information policy, also immediately announced that he is categorically against closing the museum. let's listen to him bulgakov is from kyiv, so he had in some of his works of art, underline the enemy and the lines of certain heroes regarding the liberation struggles of ukraine at the beginning

of the 20th century. than to solve the issue of the bulgakov museum, there is such a conspiracy theory that they say that this idea was deliberately launched through such a dubious organization as the writers' union so that the idea itself was immediately discredited, we will talk about it now, but i will say that we did not delay and russian our beloved liberals, what can he say about one of them, about oleksandr rodnyanskyi, who is also a former kyivan, er, and he wrote two posts on his instagram at once. this is how he was triggered by the whole story. of course, he did not agree with the closure. he considers bulgakov a wonderful person, wonderful i want to remind you that he was such a well-known and influential television manager in ukraine, he founded the 1+1 channel, which brought a lot of hares to ukraine television space at that time, but then he

moved to the russian federation, where he began to engage in television production and film production, too. he produced films that were quite propagandistic, for example, the tv series cadetship, which even then glorified military stories, etc. and then he produced the same white guard, which is a screen adaptation of the work of one of the most ukrainophobic mikhail bulgakov, by the way, the screenwriters there were serhiy and maryna dyachenko, apparently also ukrainian screenwriters . there are a lot of scenes and mockery of ukrainian foul language and all such things that were also in the text, of course, and there is one more important thing about oleksandr rodnyanskyi, they listen a lot in ukraine. he may be considered for the role of minister of culture and information policy, since mr. tkachenko

has already become too toxic and there are rumors that they seem to be selecting some new candidate and , as it were, they want to focus on androvirudnyanskyi, let's listen to what he says about the bulgakov museum. this is a war between those who build a conservative, patriarchal, xenophobic , homophobic and russian world with those who believe in a world of equal opportunities for representatives of all ethnicities, religions, confessions, people of different sexual preferences and political beliefs, therefore, among the supporters of freedom, there are many russians among supporters of totalitarianism are also ukrainians oleksandr rodnyanskyi russian producer by the way, it is very common to notice history when it comes to renaming streets, or something like demolishing monuments in ukraine, very often the counterargument to this is that they say it is not democratic, that we are again falling into a totalitarian system

. the fate of the bulgakov museum, we will talk with literary experts with ageev's faith with rostislav semkii, uh, ms. vera, mr. rostislavovich, can you hear me ? in we are bulgakovists, all of us are literary experts on facebook, but there are fewer, but there are a lot of complaints. it is about the writers' union that they often say that this union does not know what it does, and it is very strange that such an initiative comes from this very union, because it did not prevent it from being closed down either together with this museum. how do you feel about the very existence of this union? and about this statement that they made , mrs. vera. today, the union is really a sandy chronic organization, but this is the spelling of writers

. we have a democratic right to unite in unions. as for what the union was doing, i want to remind you that the people's movement of ukraine was created at one time by the writers' union of ukraine. if the people's movement had not been created then, our independence would have been more problematic than it was. ukrainian writers played a huge role in the 90s, they wrote declarations about independence, you are ready. they initiated all the documents, that is, i heard the accused accusation, so, yes, mr. rostyslav , what do you think, and i agree in the sense that many structures can be reformed for greater efficiency and communication as well. but er, the

union was never anti-ukrainian, on the contrary, what could they do even in such very harsh soviet times, er, so that someone could be saved as soon as it became possible to rehabilitate them in the 50s, they er, rehabilitated er -repressed writers actually, that is, the question of the union is actually a separate issue and it should not stand in for us, er, what we are actually talking about, and we are talking about the subject of, er, the bulgakov museum. and my second question about er, well, it is very simple. in your opinion, what should be done with this museum , because there are thoughts of closing it, not closing it, and reorganizing it, that is, while we have three options , which one are you more inclined to, mr. rostyslava ? the short

answer is, of course, we shouldn't have a museum. bulgakov's thesis, that kyiv is a russian city , probably no one likes it anymore, and kharkiv is not a russian city, and odessa is not a russian city. but in the center of kyiv there is a museum the writer of the writer, who actually defended this thesis in one of his central texts, and not only in one, but also in other texts, the fact that he simultaneously created some other texts, in particular anti-soviet ones, does not stand in the way of this fact. therefore, this museum is actually the trigger injures those who , starting with those who are now at the front and ending with those who still have to study and work, what to do, you know what they did to rudyard kipling's birthplace in bombay, no one will argue that rudyard kipling is a very famous world writer

let's not grow now, let's talk about the famous rudyard kipling, there is a house where he was born in bombay, there are museums there, but there is an art museum, that is, they left this house where he was born, but it is programmatic and it is connected precisely with colonization and that to erase the influence and position of kipling is very inconvenient for india. there is no mention of kipling there, that is, the house is the birthplace . he does not act at all. i think that this is a very constructive and balanced position in relation to the position of your lady vera, because indeed, the museum staff are now also adhering to the idea of ​​reorganization, and the director of the museum herself also says that they are now planning some

reorganization to make the museum different, but so what what kind of idea should this be, how should we present it and how should we now position this bolgakov, or should he not be there at all? but this is the house of a letter writer, as mrs. oksana zabuzhko wrote to everyone who did not know that in the 15th year it is already now everyone knows, maybe it should be a museum, it was not bulgakov's attention, it could be moses, it's a letter , nothing, it could be a museum, it's obvious that košice deserved to be in the museum, those who want to preserve it now at the drag there is a bell, there's such a humanistic explanation, they just didn't touch it because... the second explanation is that they are simply ukrainians, according to his opinion. so, bulgakov wrote in borscht more text than the city of kyiv, he

proves that kyiv is something like a cave here in russia. until we came, the russians, there was nothing here, there was no science. and some some cavemen, that is, petlyuras, when in kyiv, there can be no zavelyuras in kyiv, and in principle, on two chairs, i think that the director of the museum is simply , well, there are two here, and first of all, bulgakov, bulgakov, eh, with shame in the noose, a lot from above vynnichenko and or

as well as vynnichenko and i respect them and then they cannot be in the pantheon was a sign and petliura and vynnychenko and hrushevskyi cannot stand next to each other in the parking lot and added another story to them, er, in 1929, joseph stalin hosted the kremlin after the writers well, then, in general, a little bit, and the ukrainian writer in particular only there we raised the issue and demanded to remove from the repertoire of the art theater the plays behind the white guard days that divider as a work that insults the national dignity of ukrainians, it is clear that the play was not removed stalin liked it very much tasks, another such a good assessment of bolgakov's work by a great connoisseur of tall stalin , eh. and when they

began to be arrested a few years later in 1934, 35, they were charged with the crime of precisely that performance in the kremlin, so again, i love mykola is an outstanding writer for me why are the last ones so boring? sorry for the expression, i'm tired of talking. there's no music. we don't have a museum in kyiv. the kyiv museum is the most powerful when you start asking. you know, there's no money, so there's no service. why does ukrainian exist for money ? bulakhov museum, the pin museum in kyiv, there will be no reason to close it now that we will close it later, because it is too

read the running museum of bulakova or vice versa , so the existence of the bulgakov museum is possible only because of our armed victory, you know absolutely with you according to the fact that i met many people about whom, to be honest, i re-read the white guard a few years ago and i really did not notice it before, about the fear that was there, uh, he still has many texts, he has texts called beg eh where he describes the doctor, obviously describes himself in a very complimentary way and how he killed a petlyurian who was absolutely a pig who was cruel and who was so bad and he is actually proud of this act because we look alike, that is, he has a lot of that,

it's not just white paint, it's his consistent position but actually, you know about this, there are people who are big fans of bulgakov and they say, yes, we understand that he had such an attitude towards the ukrainian language and the national liberation movement , but the times were like that, there were different views, it’s not the same what now, let's accept everything, we must understand that our culture is multifaceted, it is ukrainian-speaking, russian-speaking, ukrainian-speaking, there were a lot of different views in it, how would you answer this, mrs. vera, you first he is a kyivan, he is a kyivan ukrainian edition

the roots of the myth that bulgakov is a great writer, well, maxim, when everyone was banned, i was, well, you know, so why talk about accepting everyone, it reminds me a lot of sexual force, put on, you have to go in kyiv, bulga kova thank you, you start to respect him like this, you start to wipe the dust from him and put bouquets, you see for that, mr. rostislava. and what do you think about this, because this is a fairly popular opinion, very, very overestimated, inertial and imposed by the logic of

russian literary critics, this position about the power of bulgakov there, if we ask ourselves where do people read bulgakov, or do they read him in france, in germany, uh, at the end of the world, we will give ourselves a report that they read him only in the post-soviet space , that's actually all that can be said about uh, worldwide , there is some uh- fame and so on, this is greatly exaggerated, and i agree with the fact that we still do not have a museum of deaf-levytskyi people who wrote about kyiv, they lived in kyiv for a long time, and what very good writers, yes, deaf-levytskyi mykola zerov, actually the already mentioned demontovych, where are all these museums? we don't have anything. so this discussion is simply baseless in principle, so it's just such an

ideological island, created such an island of the russian world, and what we see on the screen now is so sentimental, it means from the forces of the past er, in the past, this is the er, russian imperial reality, er, and i think that it is completely anachronistic now and unfair to all the listed ukrainian writers who also did a lot, but they are not honored in this way. to our viewers that in kyiv there is a house, a museum, an apartment of tychyna, for example, a wonderful museum or where you can go to look at his library and all the things that will tell you very interestingly how tychyna lived, how he lived, how much he did . well, you know, you can hear unexpected things, but i wanted to ask you the following. here is a more likely psychological story because,

frankly speaking, i do not know any other writer of any ukrainian or russian world for whom ukrainians would stand up for with such tenacity. i have the impression that this is such a love for him that it is he is simply the best writer in the world and people are ready to tear each other's necks for him. i think so. maybe it is because of his such accessibility and popularity, because we quote him so much and there are many quotes of a dog's heart, and there ivan vasyliovych is changing his profession, there are also many quotes and that's why people are such fans, they perceive him as a member of the family. sometimes it seems to me. what do you think, why is this attitude of mrs. faith in ukrainians good? well, first of all, it's not because they love him so much, it's as lesya ukrainka once wrote in one letter, eh, only relations, why, then,

about god, the bulga family is green, because he was an imperial writer who was very beneficial to the russians in order to present kyiv as a part of russia, well, one thing putin is talking about is the molecule museum in kyiv works perfectly on the concept, did we shoot a chip, why didn’t we shoot films for the city of pidmogilnoy koro- a wonderful novel only in ukraine, that is, you can see us here at bulga kova’s workshop

studying other authors a kyiv high school student yaroslav vashkevich was chosen during the meeting as the only one of the news level and he accepted the highest nobel prizes there . there was a separate story. he did not receive it. why did he have the awards? and at the same time vashkevich remained as mykola bazhan called him. by the way, another wonderful literary museum in kyiv is a museum like bazhan's apartment, and vashkevich also lived in poland, married ukrainian writers, translated ukrainian poets, and came here, and accepted one there, in general

. poland was the bridge for the intellectual was we fatigue that we receive we received doses and er respected- respected let's say her vazhkevych my they talk about him rashkevych there is no hello who defends this bulgarian about russian nomenclature in ukrainian culture and the same french woman about one nation this is a full stop, but by the way, here are two examples. for many years, i have been hunting them there for many years,

in the russian drama theater named after lesya ukrainka in kyiv, this is an insult to the memory of lesya ukrainka, she did not like them very much, otherwise it was in in the letters, i didn’t mention what, what, and what. and there was no respect for the russian genius praised in lesa ukrainka at all on january 2, for this i was, uh, so, on the outside , i was there as much as i could. it would be worth it for khmelnytskyi, and with the sale, i see a-ah, a wonderful new table with the whole facade of the player today, that’s gone, gone, just so they don’t talk about the russian drama theater in

kyiv has disappeared, and in kyiv, since then, the number has become less so that everything normal. by the way, it's the pushkin yak museum it turned out that it was somehow not noticeable, but it was just as quickly, but people are somehow more respectful than people, obviously the director of the bulgakov museum has some other views, we are here, everything is happening, the pushkin museum was liquidated in the first days, they rallied themselves there, transferred the collections, let it go . tell us your opinion , please, as for us, because i absolutely agree with the fact that we do not talk enough about ukrainian writers. there are interesting texts for us. what do you think we should do to make these conversations more uh? well, starting with the school curriculum, it is possible for us to love and be fanatical more and to be mass. it is ukrainian texts, in fact, the way

literature is taught at school, it has remained quite unchanged, it remains much longer when there is independence, it is necessary to change not just personal characteristics, but the way of teaching so that literature is interesting and ukrainian writers are interested if the whole class learns by heart the same poem by lesya ukrainka is a compromise of lesya ukrainka, of course, it is a school program - museums must be opened, i didn't just list the writers, we have museums of ukrainian writers, but i also listed those who wrote about kyiv, actually, i can hear levytskyi from the clouds to er, there's the city of pidmogilny girl with a bear to montovych e kyiv from the left bank e-e sonnet zerov that is, we have writers who wrote about kyiv, but they do not have any such committee yes that is, of course we need museums, we need changes in the program more

radical and changing the teaching itself regarding the sentiment towards bulgakov in the early 1990s, wrestling was banned and there was this sentiment about what the anti-soviet writer was saying was banned. he is really anti-soviet, but he is russian imperial and if then it it was suitable for someone. so, now it is perceived in a completely different way, and that is why the situation is such that it needs changes. that is, this is a conversation about the transformation of values, about changes in values, about the fact that ukrainian values ​​should be er, in the epicenter, i emphasize once again that we are not going to burn like this here, that is, no one encroaches on

er private book collections where a person can quietly shut himself up and read anything but er from public space and er in such forms as a museum for example, it needs to be cleaned. thank you very much for this analysis. i hope that the city of podmogilny will become more important to us than the city of bulgakov. yes, yes, mrs. vera, mr. rostislava. thank you very much for your words, for your analysis, vera geeva and rostislav semkiv were at on our broadcast, literary experts talked about bulgakov, what should be done with him, what can be done with the bulgakov museum, which is located on andriyivskyi uzvoz 13, in fact, it reminds me of the house of an architect on a letterman and they talked about the fact that we need to talk more about ukrainian writers than about these bulgakovs and dostoevsky but you see every time there is

some minimal attempt to reduce the number of russian writers in the school curriculum, for example, society gets upset and says that it will not give its favorite tolstoy works that their you need to study it, because it is also a great literature, and i also want to remind you. well, let's compare what became such a trigger for me, if you remember on the night of may 7, the russians destroyed the skovoroda museum, and there were much less conversations about this loss, much less tears, much less mourning rather than because of, for example, the same bulgakov museum, which is now bubbling just on facebook and about russian writers in the preschool program about various monuments, eh, and surely, without skovorod, he was much more important to us than eh mikhail bulgakov, which we really repeat ourselves, can be

read at home, no one forbids anything. but if we are talking about some museums, well, then surely we need to think about their existence, and about the forms of perforation of this museum, about which there is a lot of talk, to be honest, i would say it is possible and for but i have been to this museum several times and i saw how fanatically the management and tour guides treat mikhail afanasyevich, how much they love him, they adore him and they cannot say a bad word about him for all my the question about his ukrainophobia, they tried not to say anything to get off the topic because they simply don't want to do it, and that's why i don't really understand how they will reformat this museum. it's obvious. it seems to me that somehow they can't do it. well, because they are too much he is loved. well, that's it. we're all waiting for new cultural scandals next week. watch espresso. i'm saying goodbye to you. to quickly

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