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occupied territories into their russian-renovated schools. now, earlier they resorted to the practice of simply taking our children away and brainwashing them there already on their territory well, i think that , firstly, they cannot bring everyone to their territory, secondly, they do not want to have a territory with a certain number of people who will live there like in crimea, thirdly, put yourself in the place of the russian propagandist, the russian army is entering a certain ukrainian city in the east or south of ukraine, what language do they speak on the streets of this city, ukrainian, well, seriously, if they come to us and we come to them, they come to us in the cities of the east and south of ukraine, what language do they speak on the streets, it is very often russian , but there are nuances, there is a certain number of people who speak ukrainian, it is not the majority in such cities, and people who speak surzhyk, these people who speak ukrainian, i think in such

moments when they see russians, they don’t really speak ukrainian when in their presence, that is, they see a russian-speaking city, the same russian-speaking city as the course of voronezh or bryaz, by the way, all cities could also speak ukrainian if they were not from the russian federation, because in these cities it is often possible there are more ethnic ukrainians than russia, well, it used to be like that, as anton pavlovich chekhov wrote, i was born in the beautiful ukrainian city of taganrog, this is a quote. oh, so in this situation, look at them through their eyes. see the city and they are absolutely sure that the whole problem is that these russians, whom they see as russian people, were propagated by the nazis and their american curators created their schizophrenic lying system of education, because how can it be that people speak russian and study some ukrainian language that do not exist specifically to

to break these bonds in one nation and what needs to be done quickly is to do the education system normally, they are the same in the 20th year. by the way, by choice, they essentially banned the ukrainian language. engaged in russification, they had some waves of ukrainization in those moments when people came to power who said that it doesn't matter what language is important, what slogans are important, what is the measure of measure and the party, our steering wheel sounds great in the ukrainian language, you just have to ask your comrades to be a ukrainian poet, write more poems about lenin's party, and then russian chauvinists came and said no to levin's party, please in russian, well, this is a famous story, which is always used as an illustration that the works of lyubit were written almost at the same time ukraine means love your soviet homeland between us speaking absolutely academic

soviet work which proved that love for ukraine is love for the soviet homeland and after russia mother country beautiful soviet land my land yes for this poem love ukraine saussure was dragged to all instances brought to they wanted to exclude a heart attack from the party, they created a million problems at the level of the writers' union, i.e., they simply slandered a person, and after russia, motherland, the beautiful country, was heard from all the soviets at that time reproductions because it is obvious that the soviet union is russia, and glorifying russia is glorifying the soviet union . that ukrainians do not exist and they sincerely believe that education and they are not very wrong, by the way, because you see how many russian people we are soviet people, even from russified ones with an inferiority complex in relation to

of russian culture. we received here and now millions of people with such a complex live millions and i think that for them the attack of russia on ukraine was a shock precisely because they never imagined that russia could attack you because for them russia is a part of it of their civilization they may not be part of the russian world but they do not see the big differences between russian and ukrainian civilization ball why because school because higher educational institutions because teachers because family because even now look when children study in ukrainian schools and the parents will continue to speak russian with her and say oh it's so hard for us to help you baby if it was all in russian as we studied well the child probably has schizophrenia and of course i hope that the education system will win let's be honest vitaly, in your opinion, new generations of people are usually growing up in the occupied territories

who will consider themselves a part of the russian world. because it is clear to say it here, in your opinion, mr. vitaly. the regions are suffering from the russian invasion, more so right now, precisely because of these reasons that you are talking about. so the russians came and they have cognitive dissonance here, russian people, but they were not imposed on them , they suffer more simply because they are closer , they just go through only they are still what? and when they went to the north of ukraine, what was less suffering there ? bucha or arpedi speak ukrainian. they just killed people without any cognitive dissonance. i would like the russians to remember this , just now they are going, they are going through the territory from the south and east of ukraine to the center of the north and the west because we know that their strategic task is the occupation of the entire territory of ukraine and access to the border with nato member countries. that is, we understand

that they do not have the power to do this, but in principle we must remember that the task of the ukrainian e-e war, which was solved by vladimir putin, is quite simple. it is the complete liquidation of ukrainian statehood. and here the next question arises: what to do with the population that is ready to be russian русски русский язык русская церковь русская культура putin should leave the filtration camps and all that under certain supervision, and the population that does not want to kill and expel this , that is, not a single citizen of ukraine who wants to be a ukrainian on the territory of new russia. they will drive it out, it will be destroyed because we hear all the time from putin that he wants to correct the mistakes of lenin from stalin, the mistake of lenin and stalin was that the ukrainian ssr was created in order not to provoke

national movement. they were afraid of the national movement, you understand. i think that putin. many people do not know soviet history well. that is why they created all these republics because even after the occupation of all these countries, ukraine, belarus, georgia, armenia, azerbaijan, in the 20s there was no strong government, here are just a few examples, let's say in ukraine, when the bolsheviks entered, it turned out that they did not even have combat units in order to fight the whites, they were forced to create a coalition with the ukrainian communist party in fighting against this was the ukrainian socialist-revolutionaries, but it was a ukrainian party that said that ukrainians should have their own state, that there were no communists, but the ukrainian and jewish communist party, which also existed separately and believed that the jewish population of ukraine should have its own culture, that the language should develop you are going, well, revolutionary

slogans, but red flags in yiddish means that they could not feel the fullness of power when they were in a coalition with other parties, they needed time and it was more than one year when they digested all this in there were uprisings in georgia, they organized an uprising georgian patriots to overthrow the power of the bolsheviks to the point that they took hostages and killed the soviet leaders of georgia, it was the end of the 20s, the beginning of the 30s, so where did the career of lavrentsia bili come from? nobody says this in soviet history, he succeeded in this union republic because if they tell you, you know it will be the georgian federal district of the russian federation, the ukrainian, they would simply be forced to fight again, and they only - but only in 21-22 years won the civil war, they simply did not have the strength, there was no army for new soldiers. well, putin is making simple exhibitions out of this, there should not be

these states and there should not be these peoples. that is, you have to choose, as every citizen of russia chooses now, by the way. federations, if you pretend to be a russian, you are a nationalist and you are being squeezed, do you actually remember this self-immolation of this udmurian scientist, albert karazin, well, this is a good symbol, you can't be an udmur there in soviet times, you could still be a soviet dvor, so stick to the body that i i will glorify the party in noutbursky yazeki, yes, no , in russian, in russian, putin wants you to glorify in russian, and this is of course a huge national disaster for the representatives of these peoples, and it begins. this is what i would say, moral degradation, when the main task of a buryat boy is to earn money for an apartment for a military mortgage he where to kill people in the russian army. this is a loss of identity, morality at the level of entire national groups

. of the peoples of russia, there are supposedly some delegates who come to these events, by the way, there are sometimes representatives from ukraine who try to help them find this way to e. to decide even once this is cornwall, it seems to me that in one of the cities there is a monument to the last woman who spoke the choral language, when everyone stopped talking to her, carpets to talk, and now restore it, did she die, there is no nation, but it is restored, but it is me you know, such a process is historical in the british isles, as simple as that, and here they are born alive. of course, they have representatives who want these peoples to have their own sovereignty, and in some

russian republics, the peoples even make up the majority of the population. but at the same time, we must remember that in russia, 85% are ethnic people and putin is doing everything to ensure that these places are 50% chauvinistic , you see that these people are called towards others, that this is not national, some kind of dignity, that this is chauvinism disgusting russian chauvinism, and of course in this situation i have to say that it seems to me today that talking about the fact that these peoples have any chance would be enough oh, i would say well enough too optimistic these peoples could defend the idea of ​​their sovereignty precisely when they you know, there were still people in the soviet union, together with other nations, much greater in terms of their capabilities. so when ukrainians, belarusians

, latvians, lithuanians, estonians, armenians fought for their freedom, azerbaijan is georgians. unfortunately, brothers were not just russians will be in most of them was 45%. you understand, they were not in the majority, it was possible to organize certain coalitions in one way or another. i remember such a moment when the new constitution of the russian federation was discussed at the congress of people's deputies of russia, what should the name of the country be, it is no longer russian socialist federative let it be called russia and we stand and talk about this on the sidelines of the kremlin with the deputy from the tuva republic , kadyrol bicheldiy, the future chairman of the verkhovna

rada of the tuva people's republic ingu people like russia, let's get rid of federalism. i say well, if you think so, i saw it at the congresses of the people's organization of the soviet union. if the delegations of the union republics of georgia or latvia were there, they did not agree with something, they got up and left. i see this scene when all the georgian deputies under during the examination of the georgian events, all the communists, led by the first students of the central committee of the giviakombaridze party and the deputies from the national movements who were there, all got up and left eduard chevernadtsa, who was then a member of the poli bureau of the central committee of the cpsu, the minister of foreign affairs of the soviet union, he also stood up and

left the hall. offensive at this congress i say i can't all come out can all of you come out all the deputies from tatarstan from then you will open chechen nagoloshenka kabardin balkaria mordovian buryats and bashka bashket state well an interesting idea is needed to discuss with my colleagues, i was a witness to this provocation, when they put the name russia to the vote, i just saw how all the deputies from the national republics stood up and left the plenary session. it seems to me that even the majority, but they were frightened because they were this was an obvious demonstration of neither loyalty nor the russian people, and they then ran after them.

us two countries that came to the apostle of the soviet supply crossed out when we had the act of independence the word republic with the name of ukraine and that i did not allow and that is why ukraine became called ukraine because the idea of ​​our democrat deputies was not to scare the communists or how to write today in the republic, they saw that there is no ukrainian ssr let's just say yes and here i mean, i actually went to read that russia is called the russian federation it has a double name in the constitution russia in parentheses the russian federation is in parentheses of russia, but everyone uses the russian federation in this. and we were one step away from the fact that this russian federation would not have disappeared, there would have been no russian federation. look. well, then everyone stood up and the russians followed them and were afraid to make a decision even though had such an opportunity, you can discover something like this for yourself now, if we talk in general about the formation of the

russian federation with all its features , as of today, there is no politics in russia, and there is a toli totalitarian society even today day, all these leaders of the russian republics, they are just putin’s governors who represent the interests of their own peoples, and putin, but not at the next stage of the political process, everything can change, because you don’t just understand it. they do n’t just represent putin’s interests, they also take money and let them go. in contrast to these republics, there may be other tatarstan republics, they are republics, regions of the donor, but most of the national republics are regions that receive subsidies from the federal government of the center. imagine that the center will have no money for them, the situation will change. that is why we talk all the time and discussed volodymyr hrytsko in the first part of our program about the destabilization of the situation in russia. the destabilization of the situation in russia begins when there is no

money in dollars in the region for the federal center and the federal the center has no money to distribute between the dates of the region, from this moment what we saw in 1989-191 years begins, because the collapse of the soviet union is not only a catastrophe connected with a national issue. this is a disaster related to the inability of the center to maintain the regions. the regions do not need to be received. they need to be given the opportunity to develop themselves. it is just now that the russian federation is completely duplicating, no wonder, i will be cherenkov's economy. there are several regions that collect money, the main thing is tatarstan i had nenets anti-mansia autonomous districts tyumen oblast where there is oil samara oblast where there was automobile manufacturing i think that this is already

now in the past there are two big corruption centers , the main center of all times and peoples, the city of moscow is also a donor region. but why is it a region for them because all the big russian companies are located there, they are registered there, and they pay taxes there, so they receive money if these companies are not if there will be a profit, it is up to you to say. as you understand, it has ceased to be a dollar, because it does not produce anything seriously except for the corruption of the government, well, this is also the same, yes, it is also a great product of the government, and with corruption , it must be said that moscow with its role copes in recent years well, to take moscow-petersburg in recent years 400 flawlessly because it is really they are not doing anything except that the six are conquering all around but the fact remains the fact and then we will talk differently about all these problems i am not saying that from this, russia will definitely fall apart, but the role of the russian

republics may change, because you are right , they will have a majority, but whatever it is, we will not participate in these or other political processes. we want to be with us counted on people, when they get rid of a normal social level, many questions arise about their lives, do you remember in 2020 in belarus, when belarusians first started to go out to demonstrations against lukashenko, they started going out with red and green flags, and in a few days, no more there were these flags , there were prohibitions against flying white , red and white flags, and i assure you that as soon as a new political stage begins, these people will remember who they are. a person cannot forget who he is, just now people are in to this i would say, firstly, fear, secondly, i was leaving with the government, conditionally speaking, i don’t remember that i am a corner and you are causing me problems, you are not causing me problems,

absolutely you are giving me the opportunity to live well, i am sorry, but if you do not give me the opportunity to live, you i don't understand why i have to kill that i have a code, i have something to be proud of, it's true. look, it doesn't do everything with the huge history of the heritage there, the russians can neglect them. russian it is not culture for them, culture is what they consider culture, they are not very interested in what is happening, but one way or another, it is quite an important point, so we got to our next subtopic, er, the death of gorbachev, by the way, today, if i am not mistaken with him in they said goodbye to moscow, but not putin. putin said goodbye two days earlier, if i’m not mistaken, right in this hospital, the hall of the house of the union to the swamp of this capital, if i’m not mistaken, it was in this hospital a little earlier in the morning

that one of the top managers of lukoil died but less, however, let's go back to our own gorbachev, and in ukrainian society, there were many reflections of the reaction . it's just the smallest thing. probably what you can remember right now. how do you see the figure of gorbachev in general? and the fact that he went to the fact that we generally react to it in some way, this is this historical post and you can treat gorbachev in different ways as a person and to gorbachev politics, but for gorbachev as a historical figure you know this absolutely you do not need to prove gorbachev a figure of such historical scale as gorbachev in the 20th century, you can count them on the fingers of one hand, especially in

our history who are the real influences on the history of the soviet union, you can say that lenin did it stalin khrushchev and gorbachev no more that's all and that says it all and by the way, there is also an interesting parallel here because you mentioned funerals so what to look at this situation in terms of this of the funeral, you know that gorbachev is the second. well, now the last letters of the soviet union, who did not receive a state funeral, the first was nikita khrushchev, when he died in 1971, they did not even appear in the official press. at that time, there was such a tradition that such were the big obituaries all the members of the politburo signed this obituary, and when khrushchev died, only on the day of his funeral, the

pravda newspaper did not print the short information that we are reporting with accelerating, not with a deep acceleration, how it will come, but just so that the former first secretary of the koperets, the former chairman of the council of ministers of the union of the ssr, mykyta serhiyevich, died , which is why they were buried in a promising cemetery and not near the kremlin wall, where at that time these party bons were forged. leonid brezhnev not only did not sign any obituary, but did not even come to say goodbye to the person he was obliged to connected with his entire party career, members of the political party did not come at all, even the former one. it seems to me that his old comrade, a former member of the political party anastasia , was not even present at the funeral mikoyan, who was his neighbor, is falling, he decided just in case, he doesn’t come here. we see a very similar situation. we see a funeral in which putin demonstratively does not

take part. it is demonstrative, in which there is no real such thing. primakov, by the way, the former minister of russia, we can see who came to this funeral from among the russian leaders, only one person came to the colonnaded hall of the house of the union, this is dmytro medvid , the main figure that everyone is paying attention to, this alla pugacheva, well, by the way, this says a lot about alla pugacheva, who remains true to her idea of ​​how people behave in such situations, and it says a lot about russia, it’s true when your honor is not, so to speak, and your ability to empathize should be protected what is the whole life of

a pop singer, why is it some kind of strange society that she has to take on such a place that politicians should generally take, the truth is to go there to some nord-ost, free the hostages through her husband, express solidarity with ukrainians, well, that is, to do everything in order to say that in ukraine they are russians. they are not what you think, but pugacheva came, so everything is fine, then questions arise, and why do they in principle hate them so much, and khrushchev gorbachev, we can tell a lot. and he can tell there