kakhovka, of course, online unconquered cities of ukraine lviv is a city where more than 2,000 historical architectural and cultural monuments have been preserved, its center is part of the unesco world cultural heritage here at the monastery of st. onufry ivan fedorov founded the first printing house and printed the first ukrainian book the apostle after the november reign and the creation of the west ukrainian national of the republic lviv became the capital and the heart of the ukrainian liberation movement in june 1941 on rynok square the ukrainian national assembly proclaimed the act of restoration of the ukrainian state after which the nazis started terror against ukraine. the ukrainian insurgent army tried to take

the city under their control, but the reds seized power. despite the repression, lviv residents continued their struggle . today, all roads lead to lviv. even angelina jolie did not miss it. it became a second home for thousands of ukrainians. loads and even under missile strikes continues to work for victory in lviv unconquered until february 24 ranks of the territorial defense, i was a reserve officer in 2014, i could not go to war because i had just given birth to a child, that's why i went to the front now, 15%

of the ukrainian army are women, with their work, courage, honor and courage, they proved that they are no different from the other 85%. » yes, we keep coming back and continuing communication, you probably already know from the news that mr. prime minister of ukraine denys myhal is currently in berlin and we should meet there, we can watch the video by the way, we will watch it now and then we will talk with a deutsche welle analyst who will tell us in more detail about the prime minister, and this prime minister is only called the chancellor, and it is very difficult for them to call each other a newly appointed person. it is not very long ago, but he is still confirming his position. no, listen, they still have powers

who have powers in them, they are absolutely full-blooded full-fledged prime ministers of their countries and have the right to any decision that they, well , that they consider appropriate, this is called democracy, by the way, but we and i hope i already oleksandr golubov, journalist, analyst, deutsche welle is a german wave, it's a german tv and radio station, let's say it used to be radio , now it's already tv . to give tanks to the ukrainian army, how likely is it at all, because in ukraine, a lot of people suspect the german side of the fact that it is in no hurry, let 's say that you would say, mr. oleksandr, what exactly

it is already 100% known that germany will provide 200 million euros. and above all , it seems to me that refugees who did not go abroad but remained within the borders of ukraine to help with the internal displacement of persons in ukraine. smykal had a rather intense schedule before meeting scholz, whom we now see on the footage, he met with the president of franco, coater, steinmar, i think it is a certain one a signal to myself after all the scandals of the same one, which were out of the pants of the mayor, that ukraine is nevertheless ready to meet with him, uh, i think that this is actually not the worst story for ukraine, and on the one hand, we have a lot to remember, but on the other hand , support anime ball is unimportant and accordingly i

evaluate things as a positive step and this is also the willingness of the same stein to meet his country by ukrainian officials after and he was completely denied entry to ukraine i think all our viewers remember very well hmm what else can be said? shmyga at the border declared in general that the eu will provide about 5 billion euros, but this is more general economic aid that also applies to the army's general economic aid. i don't know the germans, the german side did not confirm this. before, it was all mystical because the sentiments in fact regarding the supply of weapons and in germany are such that they say we have already delivered a lot and the

german warehouses seem to be exhausted. i doubt that germany will supply tanks. well, i can imagine that you prefer countries like spain, but you will still be able to get permission from germany to supply leopards to ukraine. this seems to me to be a more likely scenario. but hmm, by the way, it is important to note that this not only the position of things, not only the position of the government, the german military is resisting very strongly, and the supply of weapons by name is known to ukraine, they can be understood by hand. it was not finalized from above, and there are not so many tanks, so many helicopters are capable of driving, flying and normal function accordingly now you see as the remnants of the national equipment that giving it to ukraine i think for the german military it is quite painful

to consider it i would say not from a strategic point of view and from the point of view simply this is mine it works for us it is important the reason for the ukrainians is this, the reason in your opinion is precisely the lack of a sufficient number of weapons for germany itself. interests, i think that one reason cannot be named here, like any other, always in politics, and all decisions are a certain combination of factors that influence their adoption. in germany, there are several things that do not allow that country to be the largest supplier of weapons ukraine, first of all, what i told the buddhist sphere about is really multi-year funding, and in fact, there are not so many of these weapons in german weapons warehouses that

actually function, but this is far from the only factor . if germany had the political will to do this they still found a way out and we got german e armored personnel carriers there is a lot of other things but an important cultural and historical factor germany is one of the few countries in europe where pacifism well it is very influential i would say well it is difficult for me to call it a religion but it is very irrational faith in the fact that conflicts can always be resolved with the help of diplomacy and very often you can hear these empty words for ukrainians about the need to negotiate more than any ukrainian says that we have already excuse me, we have negotiated once or twice the president in a row promised to bring peace with russia , not victory, but we were not elected here, and i can say that they sincerely hoped that this would happen

, but somehow it did not happen. just talk and negotiate with the president who is sitting in kharkiv and says that we are helping to win back the entire territory of ukraine. that is, it is enough. it seems to me that the evolution of political leaders over the past decade is illustrative of the fact that this is where i cannot negotiate. works but the germans live in a slightly different universe , children there are taught in school about what to do badly, you need to negotiate, you need to find a compromise and, in principle, to function in a prosperous society, where they are less aggressive and not bad, what is black is probably transferred psychologically. this is to international relations, people, people think that it is possible with hooligans, unfortunately, not in the case of russia

. as you can see, it does not work, but it is an important factor. it is not about mr. oleksandr, but it is public opinion or political opinion. this is what you have now presented. yes, what that i personally, germany is a democracy, this means that what is happening is that the citizen there is average, if you find such a person somewhere, i don't know how to ask him. he will also say what to listen, let's be diplomatic, let's be peaceful, let's not be aggressive, let's not fight . well, that's how the average person thinks, and the german press and the average citizen. let's say that not every average citizen thinks so. there are two camps in germany, one camp, one camp, the camp says that we need to give weapons, we need to give more. that's what they say. public opinion polls and other camps say that it is necessary to come to

an agreement, despite the fact that even in the second camp they actually at least say that they support ukraine . we will supply enough weapons. that is, it is not estonian society that will gladly accept the idea of ​​helping ukraine, because any normal autogranich understands that if you give weapons to ukraine now it means that we ourselves will not have to fight in 5-10 years and this is absolutely a logical strategic story from them, it is not just a combination of two ukraines. -e to think in the categories of difficult ethical dilemmas, should he help me or much? that is, it is a completely different story - these are the problems of the first world and the third thing that i

still need to say is actually a huge russian economic lobby plus agents of influence that they work here literally a-a hmm last week spiegel came out with a huge article on the covers that got on the cover, which talks about this depth of the problem uh, and it is only about espionage. now i am not talking about cycling or any political interests, but actually about how intensively is russia, let's say, using all its secret service resources in order to somehow influence german public opinion, in order to steal information, stay with military politicians , the problem is huge and finally means now are beginning to realize its scale, but they are only at the beginning of this process and those augiev stables are far from cleaned out, accordingly

, this factor is also very important, i can imagine how enormous the pressure of the russian economy is, said so pro-russian lotnykh in germany who still what still hope for the fact that the era of cheap russian gas will return and germany will be among the first countries and what will you be able to negotiate with russia i think this is also an important factor that is not necessary okay i understand thank you very much to oleksandr golub, in which the analyst of the german wave, the journalist, was leading for a longer time, we began to tell me about the visit of the ukrainian prime minister pessimistic , but expectations. or maybe

she even became the threshold of the meeting. well, as mr. oleksandr says, there are such and such and others. well, well, it's the same, we'll cure you. no, it won't be that fast, it won't be that fast. well, today's good news is that 64 billion the german government provides support of citizens, that is, citizens will not freeze , it is important that this money goes to citizens who will not freeze, if they do not freeze, there is a chance that they will not be for russia, well, that is, this lack of gas and lack of heating . average household of the german federal republic of germany it is important it is good that it is interactive at 16:40 interactive with mykolaiv ask your questions on what on this espresso.tv facebook page you see

such a post in the comments under this post write any please, your questions are also on youtube, espresso.tv, and in the live chat with us, our next speaker, oleksandr smirnov, head of the national information bureau, mr. oleksandr, greetings, and the first thing that worries us the most is the latest statistics that you have today regarding prisoners , deported and missing persons missing as a result of russian aggression and a full-scale war in ukraine at the moment. unfortunately, we have such numbers, and i would start with the fact that, as for the prisoners, almost 600 people have been returned to date, this is near the station of the free and the rest of the military is the same with regard to the deportees

, the figures on one side are very terrible on the other hand, there are no exact figures because we do not have access to the territory of the aggressor and there are two numbers, let's say, those reported by the aggressor himself, that is more than three million people forcibly relocated to their territory, deportees, and of them, about 600,000 are children. this is what they voice what they say . we also collect this data and verify it with our e . e.e. 7,000, almost 7,300 children, the return is very difficult, and it is either the people themselves choose to leave the territory of the aggressor state, or there are those who contact us with the ministry of

reintegration, and this is each individual case , let's say the return of children, e.e., currently there are 53 children whose children were returned, let's all say that these are unique individual cases, but they cannot be considered as some kind of joint approach, but where are these ukrainians going, where are these ukrainians going? people forcibly in some way train and sent somewhere and where they are being sent, where they are waiting for them, what is waiting for them there, in fact, in fact, the geography is the entire territory of the aggressor state and more than 20 such uh-uh, so-called filtration fruits

of the plakhir camps that exist uh-uh in their country, this is the location, that's right, the whole all their territory and people are taken away, and then there are different, let’s say different ways, people choose and go, as a rule, through the baltic countries, leave across the border and then either return to ukraine or stay there on the territory of the baltic states or go to third countries. well in fact, today we do n’t know anything about this story in this problem, we can’t do anything right, not even the red cross. well, because the russians don’t give any information, and accordingly, i think even intelligence doesn’t know how many people, where, how to find lists of people who actually got into russia. i don’t think it’s

possible to have lists of dead prisoners displaced of any kind somewhere, it’s all just an effort, an effort, but we don’t know the real facts, and it’s unlikely that while putin is there, someone will know the real picture , well, in general, if you sum it up, it’s absolutely correct you say, but intelligence and other structures work constantly and, let's say, they receive information about our people, which they transfer to our registers, and we are also trying to return them as soon as possible, but with regard to such a general and complete picture, then of course, without access to that territory, without the access of international organizations, including the un and the red cross, then this one is not possible, well, you

say there is just such a difference between the figure of 3 million and everyone about whom we know something or who returned . it's just a glaring difference between three million there and in six hundred or there in all the cities, well, you need to understand the nature of these voiced numbers, it is the aggressors who voice the numbers. they are definitely inflated, but let's say even their overestimation, it says that the numbers are terrible. if we are going to talk about children, let it be only official reports about several hundreds of thousands of children. i don't remember exactly which ones were taken out. you see, 600,000 is an understatement. it's huge. well, that's what they say. i just can't understand where to get these 600,000. it's just me. if i count like that how many in the kharkiv region in the world, how many there are,

how many there are, if they have been enrolling ldnr there since the 14th year, then this is what i can believe. that is, we understand that somewhere around 800,000 went to russia back then or were somehow exported back then. yes, for this 22nd year, 600,000, all this is very hard to believe, the news that you see about the prisoners , you can't even talk about news for us at all - it will be when it will be the return of all our citizens, absolutely all prisoners and civilian hostages and currently, there is work going on there every day to make these exchanges happen more often and we

returned more people. as for the exchange, what was discussed about the procedures, here is the coordination headquarters for the approval of the profit of prisoners, led by intelligence, they are working on it and ensuring these exchanges, you know what recently there the day before yesterday there was a small exchange and each exchange is so long-awaited difficult for us and for all of us and we hope that they will continue and we will return all ours as soon as possible, so in the last one we returned 14 of our defenders, of course, everyone is extremely valuable to us, mr. oleksandr, i also want to ask you about the forced mobilization in the territories temporarily occupied by russia, what do you know about it, because lately, in addition to kidnapping people from the markets of men, they have already said that there will be women to mobilize, what do you know now, yes, in

fact, there is a terrible industrial mobilization in the temporarily occupied territories, and for this purpose, we recently created a channel for people to report such cases, this is the form indicated on the website of the national information bureau, zibo.gov.ua, where you can very simply and quickly and anonymously and safely report such facts to the industrial mobilization, they call for it to happen so that people report it. hit the national information bureau in google and the website has a form for notification of forced mobilization in the temporarily occupied territory, the site is 3 letters zibo.gov.ua zibo.gov.ua that's so great

thank you very much, oleksandr. is there any information for such people who are forcibly recruited into the russian army, that they can run away from here, but you can’t find anything in this, that if they took me from my house, put on clothes, gave me machine guns and sent the army, then what should i do if i don’t want to fight for russia ? on the contrary, i want to defect to the ukrainian side, so how should i proceed? there are some instructions, maybe step-by-step, maybe general, what should ukrainians who do not want to talk to the russian army do, really general information, yes, of course, there are recommendations and there is a reminder on this website, how act, i can say about this in a few words that you need to surrender as soon as possible, and in order for this to happen, let's say, if someone does not understand how it happens, you can fill out this form , indicate how to contact you, you will be contacted and

all your actions will be navigated okay, great. now let's move on to the media. thank you. oleksandr smirnova . oleksandr smirnov, the head of the national information bureau, was in direct contact with us. and we are moving on and soon we will have speakers . media is enough, i will remind our viewers of a little background that it was submitted in 19th year, registered in the verkhovna rada, and in 20th year, in may, the vote on this draft law was failed because there was outrage from the media community of experts and professionals a certain storm, and some, well, mostly opposition factions , regarding such a deputy initiative, and now it was finally voted on on the 30th of august in

the first reading, and already with certain changes, but everyone considers it imperfect, for exactly what reason we will find out with our experts whether they are in contact with us, they are already with us vadim city media expert program director of a public organization media detector secretary of the council student of freedom of speech and protection of journalists greetings vadim and with us and tarasha maidan coordinator of the freedom space movement also, thank you for joining, thank you, and we want to ask. what is the problem, is it real? well, journalists, i have a hard time imagining that journalists were satisfied. the only way journalists would be satisfied would be if it came out. a very short law, journalists can do everything and everyone else nothing, such a bill. i don't know how the parliament will like it, and ukrainian journalists will like it. i think that there is something that the

journalistic community does not like about this law today. i think about what it does not like. will be told by taras as one of the main critics of this draft law. and for my part, i will tell about the institutional problems that this draft law creates, in my opinion, the main main problem of this draft law, although in general it is good, adequate, and we need it first of all in order to move forward before the start of negotiations on joining the european union and to regulate in general that part of the media market that arose after the emergence of the internet after the emergence of non-linear audiovisual media services, we know yes, oh, and those platforms, and so on. and this is now outside of any regulation. any kind of things can happen there. no one monitors this and no one is authorized

to make a decision about this, but through of the institutional problems of this draft law, in my opinion, what is not there is that there is no guarantee of the independence of the media regulator of the national council on television and radio broadcasting. this problem is an old one. it has its roots in the constitution of ukraine, which states that half of the composition of the national council on television, radio broadcasting, which issues licenses, for example , to television stations, and licenses are taken away, half of the members are elected by the parliament, the other half is appointed by the president, so that’s the part that is elected the parliament there is a certain competition, a competition procedure is provided, criteria for people who want to get into this regulator and then decide the fate of subjects working in the media market, but the second part, which is elected as the president, there is no competition, and this bill, unfortunately , does not introduce any competition, that is, the president and his lawyer are of the opinion that the president

has the right in the constitution to appoint anyone on their behalf. my point of view on this issue is that the powers of the president in appointing of the media market regulator, this is a pre-authorization - it is remunerative, that is, the president also appoints judges, but he cannot appoint anyone as a judge, there is a special procedure for how a judge is selected, how he becomes, what criteria he must disclose, including the criteria of integrity in whether he is a secretary of specialization and so on but for now, all the years that there has been a discussion about how to ensure the independence of the judgments of this regulator, we understand that in our country, where there is a presidential majority in the verkhovna rada, it is a mono-party majority, so how about which we can talk about pluralism of opinions and in the composition of this regulator, if half is the presidential majority and the other half is the president personally appoints the creation of a competition commission with e-e from that part that

is appointed by the president, it is not necessarily all clear yes, mr. vadym and we heard you, we understood it completely, i will note that, for example, the civil movement flows, here is what it directly says about this bill. about such problems, in fact, the reduction of the ukrainian song quota on the radio by 10%. the return of russian artists to the screens through leveling of the list of persons who pose a threat to national security, the cancellation of the ban on the promotion of the russian authorities and its individual representatives in tv shows and films, the permission for tv channels to broadcast films in russian, as well as the cancellation of the ban on the broadcasting of songs by russian artists, although mr. taras, all this is contained in this bill, because only approved in the first reading and can it be changed to the second after all