[000:00:00;00] yes, mr. vadim. and we heard you. we understood you completely. mr. vadim will start voicing the pro- anan plan. about such problems, in fact, the reduction of the ukrainian song quota on the radio by 10%."

well, to put it briefly, the threats are described correctly in general. they are perhaps described a little journalistically, because the law is a complex legal matter. document but the language community really unites, including our movement, the space of freedom and the age movement, many other organizations and many dozens of people 's deputies, they criticize not the entire law on the media, which, as vadim rightly said, and many media experts say, this is the necessary european integration law. - and in it 270 pages, we criticize only those moments that you, ms. angelica , have already said and which, in our opinion, demine the cultural border with russia, so that is, the cleaning of those fuses that have been for years is taking place sometimes in places, sometimes for years, girls, legislation , first of all, this is a list of people who threaten

national security, it is now about 200 people who in one way or another support russian aggression and with their participation, tours, concerts of the company, series with their participation cannot take place can be shown neither in cinemas nor on television, which is important in general in the media. in essence , this law introduces such a regulation of this list that if it imposes the regulation mechanism proposed by this law reasons for inclusion in this list, which are becoming very narrow, then maybe a tenth of it would remain from the current list, firstly , that is, it is very difficult for these artists to list this list and they will be excluded from it, even existing people, secondly, the national television council and radio broadcasting, about which vadim just rightly said that it is not essentially an independent regulator and by law it does not become an independent

regulator, in reality it is this national council that will form the list by voting, i.e. otsi ot 8 people. they will vote to include or not to include people in this list. if they don’t have enough votes, well, for example, you know the stories when, say, in the tv series 95 kvartal these artists rastyshki were included, if certain lobbyists of the 95th quarter or various media groups do not want to join us to vote, they simply won't raise their hands for it, that's why it's a big problem, we believe that these things should be excluded from the law on media in general , this list is the parish of the law on shadows of photographs and you shouldn't go there. the second problem - it's a ban on russian singers. the fact is that in june, the parliament, by a constitutional majority , banned broadcasting on television, on the radio, in the media, uh, songs, uh, well, phonograms, audiograms, clips of russian artists, russian singers, and here's the

law on media, the law on media - these norms fall out. that is, she is actually not included in the list of prohibitions, and this means that when the current law on television and radio broadcasting is replaced by a law on media, it means that it will be allowed , in fact, for the majority of russian singers to spin own songs is unacceptable and there is also a real problem with quotas, the quotas do not decrease by themselves, but the responsibility for violating the song quotas on the radio is greatly reduced, that is, a very simple mechanism has been in effect for seven years. violates the quota of a ukrainian song. yes, she spins fewer of them than this quota. it is now a 35% quota, so she is fined if during monitoring it was recorded on the council under the law on media, she will not be fined if the violation of the quota reaches up to

10% and she will only be warned once, warned a second time, and there will be five such warnings after which well, these five warnings will not be understood every day. they still need to be caught, and this is veiled in this way, it is really similar to reducing the quota, that is, to the fact that the radio station will be able to break the law for months or let's say break the law and the last of such serious blocks to which we have claims all these fleas are related is i repeat with the current laws we want not to weaken the current level of protection from russia the last box concerns the language of films is really because when a year ago, in july 21st, to whom is the norm of the law on the language of what is on television in the cinema distribution, well, except for film festivals, except for arthouse cinema, as a rule , the film we must go in ukrainian, you know that television there 1 +1 e-e means inter e-e holding of pinchuk and so on, the channels just brazenly

violated this norm and put shit in their hands, saying that we do not have the authority, this is unfashionable legislation, this is language legislation, accordingly, of course, we demand that already in the new law about media, all these disagreements were removed and that the norms of the language law were implemented, that there was control over the language, it is a pity that it has the opposite, in essence, the norms about companies are being weakened and of course we are also protesting against this. is it possible to correct it before the second reading? and here is a violation. as far as i understand in the walls of the parliament, how the deputies tell and you understand what the issue is, but on the one hand you understand and the majority. and this is not even the entire faction of the servant of the people, it is about two-thirds of the faction of the servant of the people and these there are the remnants of the former psg, so here are all the groups,

fragments of the party of regions, various allergic groups, these 233 votes adopted the law as a basis. so, these deputies and the working group that drafted the law, on the one hand, say that something can be done in the second reading, on the other hand side, when we talk about specific norms, here are these norms, about the list, well , about preserving the status quo, we are talking about preserving the current norms of laws in terms of protection, here, well, the list of these things, the protection of quotas, and so on , films in ukrainian, they say that they they won't allow that the list is necessary, just as they wrote it down, you understand, that is, on the one hand, they say that our claims are insignificant, as they say, on the other hand, they lie down so that we do not implement them, and this is such a strange line, so that leads to a dead end. all the same, i think that when our ancestors, i will say something and then

the deputy asks me. i apologize mr. vadim. it seems to me that if i were to say the media, that is, the community here, it is simply going on a wrong path from the beginning. when you said that the law has 270 pages, as far as i am concerned i remember in the american legislation there is no legislation at all about the press either you lie or you don't lie the end in the ukrainian case there is only one option well what needs to be supplemented is the presence of the enemy and the presence of the russian federation nearby this is a separate story that's why i constantly said all my life when we also started all these institutions, such as commissions of journalistic ethics, and before that and on and on. and then there were different periods in ukrainian, and as you already said, let's try not to regulate. let's try self-government

to introduce not to tell the story about the fact that let's appoint half of the e-e through a competition in the verkhovna rada and hold a second competition no, let journalists gather to discuss and there is no need for a state, we journalists are going to the state again, and this deep-rooted anti-statesmen can today under during the war, they are statesmen, but in life they are anti-statemen, they are constantly suspicious of the state, which wants to remove freedom of speech, democracy , etc. and it is true, the work is like this, but when we are going to talk, let's normalize from here the situation as a state we will be ordered by even the most beautiful state, the best president, but still me. if i become the president, someday i wo n’t be a journalist either, but i will think if these

restrictions are introduced and implemented so that journalists speak less with their tongues, that’s why it seems to me that from the beginning, if not enough you know, this is at the level of cooperation with the state, and self-government is much more important, you say one minute, snow, you know yes, i have to spam mykola disagree, because we have, in fact, for 30 years of independence, we they saw how the self-government of journalists was realized in us, a huge number of oligarchic channels appeared where journalists did not think at all about the fact that they are journalists, but thought about how to better serve their owner and how to better comment on his position, it is not about interests at all society and not about the honor of the profession in this case. we saw how the journalistic community did not react in any way to the appearance

of medvedchuk channels and the roots of these channels, which simply had such a dominant position in the information information field, and unfortunately, the state could not do anything with them by legal methods , because such legislation was only half effective , yes, that is, there are some bodies that regulate something, but they cannot do anything when there is a real threat, which they had to adopt through the nsdc sanctions, some bicycle, a lot, how to do it, therefore, in my opinion, certain legislation is still needed, and european traditions in this case are different from the american ones, which mr. mykola mentioned, uh, greece has the first amendment to the constitution prohibits the congress from adopting any acts that restrict freedom of speech. but in europe, the european convention on human rights says that freedom of speech in a democratic society is subject to certain restrictions in the interests of national security, territorial integrity, and intemperance in justice, and there are there are a number of other reasons, but it should be regulated

by law, which actually is what they are trying to do now. there is a steam generator yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes well, first of all, i agree that comments are necessary and they need to be voiced loudly and sometimes even in a journalistic way. as mr. taras says, so that they are heard, so that they become, well, certainly some kind of slogans and were heard, but until the second reading, in my opinion , the problems voiced by mr. taras can be corrected if we are talking about, for example, quotas, in my opinion , i am exaggerating a bit here, because we understand that the quotas that have been set so far are 35%, they are increased to 40% in the new law. and from and from these 40%, for 10 they allow during that for four realistic

percentages 10% from 40 from 100% from 40 i.e. in the worst case on the worst day when the radio station makes a mistake and on this one two songs she will put the wrong ones in the wrong slot then it will be 36, i.e. more than now. and it is not necessarily russian, it can be english, well, now you will react . taras. five times after that, everything is fine every time a prescription is given and if, er, the sixth time comes, then it is already er, all the strict sanctions as they are still, but if she does not make 36 percent, a 35 , then she will immediately have severe sanctions, as they exist, i have not always seen television and radio broadcasting systems broadcasts of medvedchuk's tv channels were somehow overlooked by radio stations. in a slightly different way, they give them a warning, and in principle, i don't see

any such rampant uh-uh, in the decisions of the council regarding this issue regarding this list. i think that it is important, very important, the thesis was voiced by mr. taras about the fact that it is necessary to somehow refine the criteria by which this list is included, and the chairman of the committee, mykyta poturaev, says that our european partners criticize us for the fact that this list is now compiled by the security service of ukraine, and in order to compile it, what would be some more democratic way by some e- is a civil body and some kind of more collegial body is offering us treason, in my opinion, it can be done, but the criteria should really be so strict that the stage can not, says taras, take vat on his own experience thank you mr. taras, first of all for what pavlenko said about freedom of speech. well, the difference between america and ukraine is really because the usa has nothing to do with the eu and is not joining the eu, so ukraine must at least

comply with the audiovisual directive of the eu for the start of negotiations, and for that we really need some regulation of at least audiovisual media, why did the press and all the rest of the media write there, of course, this could not have been included in this law. i agree that in the 270 pages of the law, it was possible not to write the second point regarding the members of our council who are elected by the verkhovna rada and the president, perhaps this is really wrong. but this is the constitution and it is necessary to change the constitution in order to remove it from the arguments that vadim said just now. so all this can be corrected from the other side. you know, these are such minor violations , it's just one or two songs. so if we say that it's 10% of the quota, that is, 4% of this time, it's 57 minutes

and it's not 1-2 songs at least, and you see the problem in because it's not a problem, more precisely, but the fact is that the regulation has been in effect for six years, it certainly suited everyone except for some outright russifiers , yes. and the fine for violation is not so and was often paid by radio stations, because yesterday it was impossible to violate the quota. if you are careful, treat it the same way and with other things, you don't need vadim, eh, strict criteria, as you say, on the contrary, the state must have its hands free in order to fight against russian propaganda and rascal artists, just on any grounds, the security service must shares are now submitted to the ministry of culture or, as from october, it is provided by law, the nsdc apparatuses are simply included in this list, this is the protection of our state, the law must protect ukraine, its information space, and not protect the rights of artists

, as provided for in the law about the media, so i i still hope that there will really be not just conversations, but that these important things will really be taken into account, and i repeat for the third time that we are not proposing anything new , we are proposing not to backtrack on these issues of protecting the information space. thank you gentlemen, we will definitely have a discussion on this subject, because this draft law is of great concern to everyone, and an amendment will be made before the second reading, and oh well, we thank you and we will definitely involve you next time vadim city media expert program director geode director of media -secretary for issues of freedom of speech and protection of journalists taras shamayda, coordinator of the freedom space movement, were with us, and we will start an interactive session on this topic. mykola veresen wanted to tell us important information with the simple you understand. it seems to me that well, first of all, no one is interested in this except for journalists, and what were they doing

there for the last 10-15 minutes, it's a pity. well, it is so, and journalists have been discussing it for 30 years there, since 1991, approximately and avoz and now i apologize for my french, so nothing changes just now, as a matter of fact. it seems to me that there may be an improvement not in the style of yanukovych, but in the style of the post-yanukovych, that the influence of the oligarchy decreases during the war, and may even disappear altogether, as in the case of mr. akhmetov, and therefore it may journalists will have some hands free but it seems to me that the journalists themselves do not choose their interests, their rights, their needs, but rely on the state, and as long as they do not

rely on themselves, it will be as the state wants, not the free press. there are a lot of numbers, and there is such a law that numbers are the enemy of the press, because people cannot hear more than two numbers, uh, they can read at the same time, that's the difference between television and print media. yes, but unfortunately, i'm forced into this let me tell you and if anyone is interested. come on, i don't know how to make it public, but this is a story about the fact that i spent two days trying to find out what kind of army is in russia, the army is people. i meant not weapons, not planes, not tanks, but alive strength is what it is called and i made it for myself. these are three pages. as long as there is enough time, that is all i will say. so, during the soviet era, when there was the ussr

, the soviet generals wanted to reduce the army. why ? because they understood that there would be no war, and then you also thought that there was no point. if you don't have sense to liman. what is an army? well, they planned a million and 700 people, well, and then you have to go to lamancha. if you don’t go to dolomansha, then you don’t need a million and 700. as a result, there are currently 750-740-760 thousand troops in russia around february 24. that’s it. what does reality say, but the ministry of finance pays about a million, that is, this million is something from it. that is, it is not 250,000 more than

it actually is. what can be stolen or paid chvk wagner or someone else, and this must be understood, what if today's military, which is politicized, they also say a million, because they need a little more money than they have, and that is, if they had 750 and they would give money for 750, where would they be at the expense of what they would be long yes or in the pocket this is the first point the second point a-a the mobilization of russian troops is impossible it is impossible for you and moreover, everything has been done in recent years so that it would not happen even when i am nervous and many people

are nervous even today in the program on espresso let's see if the russians gather 350,000 troops. they won't gather, they won't send. they don't have logistics. they don't have food. they don't have water. they do n't have transport. in we are constantly used to watching everything through the prism of the cinema. in the 41st year, in the 22nd year, everyone began to leave . well, they all left, but no, you mean where in the fall, two, two and a half million to 3 million people were captured, because again, no there was nothing to eat , there was nothing to drink, there was nowhere to go, it is still necessary these hundreds of thousands should be housed somewhere, so that it would be warm, that there would be food, that there would be water, that

the transport would have gasoline, that there would be a hospital nearby. this is a huge burden on the infrastructure of which there is none in the russian federation. would be because then the entire economy of russia would break down. if they continue to draft, it means that this increase putin signed a decree to increase by 137,000 or 13.5%. that's exactly 137,000, that's all, the budget will give

money for another 137,000, and this means that this money will not go to the army, but to some other needs. i knew there were simply no technologists, and then they took technologists into the army. they imagined technologies. factories who take to repair tanks in the russian federation, it is now clear what the people who fight against ukraine are made up of the ground troops of the air force well , there are

360,000 airborne troops and the marines, because i am ready for 150,000, that is, the maximum number of people who can attract on the front, it is somewhere around 150,000, the rest we subtract 750,000, this is generally military, everything, that means the rest - this is the rear, this is doctors, this is communication , security, and so on, that is, those who are able to run and shoot, there are 150 thousand. and the bad news for russians for the fall. they wanted for the spring. i'm sorry, they attracted 134,000 during the draft, they attracted 89 , people just didn't come for this autumn draft, eh,

they have, eh, it won't be enough, there will be a shortage of 45,000 again , that is, they have a shortage of about 90,100,000 there is simply no one to fight, now they went for what it all consists of, well ldnr ldnr is 35,000 , what is called a spouse 35,000 i want to report this is russian, by the way, it is not ukrainian, the numbers are all russian experts, i read there, which means that all 35,000 have been killed or wounded they can no longer oleksandr to fight the republic. then there are the so-called volunteers, if someone gives such a surname, borodai oleksandr, he participated in the 14th year in the army, he has now become a deputy. it seems to me that he promised publicly in may that he would create

a volunteer corps. well, not a volunteer corps of 16,000, but he he immediately said that this is patriotism, it’s not about money, it’s just people who want to serve their country, they will be war veterans, they will be given some badges and they will be fine , that means everything will be fine, but they it is the volunteers in the full sense of the word that 0 zero people came instead of 16,000 0 then it means that we all who are interested know there is a very interesting point that each subject of the federation promised a battalion or two battalions, which means a battalion - that's 300-400 people, roughly means a sub we have 90 entities of the federation, about 90 means all subjects of the federation,

an inferior battalion created one entity of the federation out of 90, namely the heavy ones, but the heavy ones in the battalions, on the other hand, the age limit is 60 years, but most of the battalions are semi-led a quarter of the battalion is about 40 plus, these are such rather unhealthy people who, well, they don't just run to attack , that is, there is also a minus, well, they don't pay money, and so on . and lifanists and so on and so on and so on, chvk wagner, whom everyone is afraid of, is 8,000

people and this is meat. well, the prisoners mean that there are 45,000 prisoners in russia, including women and seasons. well, i would really like to be against me i would fight an army consisting of convicts if i were an officer i would not have turned my back on such people during such a time because i would have been killed. well, if they were sent to different mouths, then can you imagine a kind where 25 people were not in prison, and five people were in prison in these there are five weapons, that's roughly how it looks like. when i read it all, i analyzed it and tried to put it here for you in a nutshell. my mood lifted

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