and he emigrated and stayed in finland, and by the way, there are his works in the museum in the national art museum. although he is an ethnic ukrainian, he was a subject of the russian empire, nevertheless, he is in the financial museum, and that is why i think that we need everything that is born in ukraine, so to say that it's ukrainian, but that doesn't mean that we have to treat each of these characters well, we can and must and must say who was a traitor and who was er-er rushakhila and who was a communist and so on, yes, this is our story, she is in it is true that many ukrainians are problematic for us, unfortunately, they were focused on crimes, they were not even full-fledged or russophiles, they participated in the holodomor, unfortunately, there were a lot of them, and we need to speak honestly about it, it is the answer, for example, oleksandr

dovzhenka, who is responsible for the holodomor, we are ashamed to talk about it, but we we have to talk about it, it's purification, it's repentance, that's why it's all ours, but it 's ambiguous and the truth about each of the actors. we have to say it honestly, i understand. the self-definition of the artist er repin, whom you mentioned, never hid his ukrainian roots and his involvement in ukrainian culture, the truth was that there were very definitions of the russian empire in 1897, which we rightly consider as a sign of the spread of the ukrainian language among ukrainians, i will remind you that it was not ethnic self-determination, but only the presence of a

language. of this point. by the way, we can claim that not only the majority of modern ukraine, but also a significant part of the body of ukraine, at that time they were ethnic ukrainians because there was such a self-determination, instead, there were a lot of figures. in our history, they did not say anywhere, well, first of all, they did not always know the word ukrainian, because it is of recent origin, they were born . by the way, in the sense of the all-ukrainian ethnonym in kharkov, where did it already start to spread, that is, the eastern one, we have such an ethnonym that khmelnytskyi did not use it definition well, we won't be him, you, i'll tell you more, you won't find it anywhere taras shevchenko has self-definition as a ukrainian, there will be no doubt that he is a great ukrainian - it's more well, this is our deep, great ukrainian but he has nowhere when you say that he there was no such word yet,

it is not true when they say that it was because of censorship, it is also not true. because we do not know much about history, for example, his friend, brother and competitor, e. citizenship, all those who were on the territory of the state of ukraine, they automatically became citizens of ukraine, and this is what if we call a political nation. in fact, all nations are political , that is, this term of french origin, all citizens of the state, they belong to the nation, everyone who was at that time, including traitors , including those who worked against the ukrainian state, they are ukrainians, i want to say that this is our difficult history, i will tell you more than that, the bolsheviks, for example, were members of the central council of the central council, but you know what else worries me in in this situation, why does it only apply to the

representatives of the russian empire? well, gogol or bulgakov are ukrainian writers because they were here, and stanislav lembin is a ukrainian writer without a doubt, and happiness is indisputable. on the modern territory of ukraine, properly ukrainian on the modern territory of ukraine, i.e. in the borders formed by stalin, well, at least he is not ukrainian he is a georgian by stalin, because ukraine, fortunately , was formed after all in the first place in the successes of the holy agreement, there was a smaller country for us to create there or a ukrainian delegation and the

first borders were created there, then they were already emphasized in the state of the skoropadskyi soviet socialist republic, they actually recognized the state from the kharopetsk border, putin and moscow publicists forget about this, they forget to say , that is, the borders were already recognized, they were already led, they were ukrainian borders, but there were no borders in these borders , there was no lviv region then and there was no lviv, where lem was born, but here is taganrog anton palych chekhov, ukrainian writer or russian , he was already born in taganrog, on the one hand, it is the russian federation, and on the other hand, it is a ukrainian ethnic city. well, what to do, and ambrosia was born, which was only in 1923 handed over to the russian federation. the well-known ukrainian philologist oleksandr ponomaryov was born in the control region and he claimed that everything then came from the ukrainian

language. more than 70%. i will illustrate: 76% of the regadrov district was written in russian in 1997, and in 26 it was already written in ukrainian. that is, it was the ukrainian language and ethnic ukrainians, because the census of the 26th was already innumerable. that we all do this for common happiness, there are three criteria: the first exercise of the land, born on the territory of ukraine, without a doubt, and this is similar to germany or the united states of america, for example, maksakova, who is currently applying for ukrainian citizenship, except that she russian citizen to odesa citizen although they were born on the territory of a military town , in fact there, but from germany, land rights and everyone who was born there has the right to apply for citizenship , first of all, the matter of the land, the second version is consciousness itself,

because some ukrainians were born on the territory of ukraine, but they were considered ukrainian, it is some kind of tamara and chekhov. it’s not surprising who was going to write the census of the little russians at that time. and what did it mean for ukraine ? yes, and the second and the third are citizenship . ukraine, we don't know what his self-awareness was. because, according to his patients, that is , he had the upper hand, let's say, with no liver, it can be traced to his disrespect for skoropadsky, we don't know how he feels about the central council, and the central council was more inclusive, and i'll remind you it absorbed everyone because there were indirect elections and by way of corporations and polish jewish and even russian parties, including the bolsheviks, and it was a fairly inclusive project that was very groundbreaking at that time on the territory of the whole

europe to be honest, i have an extremely big skepticism about skoropadsky, who started repeating himself by destroying the ukrainian republic and which was initiated by the central rada, this is a separate thing that shows that in fact you ukrainians fought among themselves, and here is the problem of petlyura, who started the uprising against skoropadsky, but we must find a place for all of petliura and for hrushevskyi and for vinnichenko. oh, wait, and then what kind of place for shulgin do you know ? there was a lot in kyiv separately. let me remind you that one of the largest and strongest unions of russian nationalists is the official name in kyiv. by the way , it is ukrainian. if i am not mistaken , it is savchenko. ukrainian surname and ukrainian

origin are part of ukrainians. i understand correctly that if russia occupies the territory of ukraine and all this territory of ukraine will be declared a ukrainian federal district and manage this ukrainian federal the district will be ukraine-phobes who were either born here or will come from taganrog or from some or skursk, then it will still be ukraine and there will be a continuation of ukrainian civilization in this form, that is, can there be a continuation of ukrainian civilization in this situation when ukrainians are not all exterminated, they will simply do residents of the ukrainian federal district and will even teach them the ukrainian language for an hour a week here, i won't say the other criterion , but a very clear guy, everyone has gone over to the side of russia

if they find fascist russia on them if they are with a failure in their hands, they will be exterminated on the field of letters, all the rest who defected, that is, betrayed the ukrainian oath and went over to the side of russia, must be prosecuted according to the court, we are talking about, let me remind you, the studio prosecutors of the bezposhniks and the like took the oath of office, even if formally they can now in the russian army and they had an oath, respectively, they must chalenko, who help russia, certainly help one on the administrative front, the other on the informational front act, they must be handed over through the court i that used to call the surname kovalev. you can already see the problems with the camera, but come on, it’s tsarev chalenko or kovalev. they’re ukrainians, but

probably surkov and a cossack, despite the fact that the cossack was born in russia. they’re still in ukraine , they’re still russians is a cossack also a ukrainian, but i just want to understand the approach let 's go back to the holodomor so that i just want to understand the approach here we have the political struggle of the central committee of the communist party of the bolsheviks of ukraine at the time of the holodomor, conditionally speaking, all these events are there, conditionally speaking polya kosior, who was born in ukraine, he manages the party organization, kaganovych, a jew, who was born in ukraine, he manages the party organization of ukraine, such people manage the council of national people's commissars, and he was born in ukraine, and a russian supplied him. what is the second secretary of the central committee of the party, but he was not born in ukraine, but he is a member the same politburo, they are all ukrainians. is it really that simple? i really want to understand the methodology, because there are ukrainians for water, peace,

who lived only three years here and, by the way, are very skeptical about ukraine, mentioning only about the program a-a-a-a or well, in which other surnames are there , for example, ukrainian women, er, american actors, i even forgot the last name, and kunis, for example, is from chernivtsi, she is of jewish origin, and she left eh she is young or small, even she is definitely ukrainian, she is ukraine. and those who came here later, they can be ukrainian figures. well, for example, it can be in a ukrainian way, or a ukrainian doctor was born in russia, but later accepted other citizens. and we have regardless of who we have were born, they are all ukrainians and we must

repent, regardless of the children's origin . let us remind you that during the holodomor, we had 500,000 ukrainian communists in ukraine who helped moscow exterminate ukrainian peasants. they physically exterminate those who took bread without what did 500 thousand ukrainian communists do? we must have inner repentance for this, without doubt, without repentance, there will be no changeable positive, that is why we have to say that we have a difficult history, in addition to the fact that russia tried to destroy ukraine. and this can be done for centuries. to find specific facts not only now we have fascist russia here, but putin's, we have a problem, let me remind you that during mazepa's uprising there, and where was most of the cossacks under the leadership of skoropadsky, by the way, and where was she, she was with peter i, who was exterminating sich, by order of mykytarina

galagan, we have many ukrainian figures who took part in actions against ukraine, how do we evaluate it now, we have the right to such evaluations and we will not erase them from our history, they were both the most famous ukrainian nationalists destroyed by the ukrainians, and stashevsky from western ukraine killed just bandera, and from southern ukraine sudoplata killed konovaltsy, you understand the murders of ukrainians, that is, unfortunately, we had everything here more recently, and heroes and traitors, and these and those are ours. unfortunately, they act as actors and we should know and we must bear our fate of repentance for the fact that, in addition to heroes,

we had traitors, thank you to mrs. olesya olesya to her , the head of the center for research of political values, the foundation of the artistic association, the last barricades, the former people's deputy of ukraine, we are in touch was on this broadcast. now let's try to answer a few questions related to the interactive. congratulations, sooner or later, donbass, luhansk region, crimea will be definitely released, how should we live and communicate with the population of these regions, considering that they were brainwashed quite significantly up to 2014 and are still being brainwashed now russian russian occupiers i do not use all these terms at once, i say because i believe that one should call things by their names, that is why i do not even read all these terms in questions, for me there are no orcs, no rashistov there are russian occupiers, don't hide behind the real ones, for the truth, they treat mainland ukraine frankly, varosh. i think that first you need to look, i always say that

these problems will not be solved before the end of military operations on the territory of ukraine, sooner or later, donbas , luhansk region and crimea will be unambiguous released this is a clear goal of ukraine today and it is a political and military slogan, and the realities of ukraine, which will win this war, may look completely different than what the majority of the ukrainian population thinks about it so i think that the question of what to do with the population, how to communicate with them will be decided in accordance with what territory the ukrainian state will control at the end of hostilities, this is a real political formulation that none of us knows and will not know until the end of these hostilities, which can last from the next six to eight months to the next 6-8 years, i am inclined to believe that you and i are living in a long-term military

conflict with the russian federation with a conflict i would said of a metaphysical nature, which consists of two peoples. they really claim one territory that is considered by both peoples to be their own . here in ukraine, we are sure that the ukrainian people have a full right to the ukrainian state, statehood, and the territory that ukraine occupies in accordance with all international norms in russia, the same amount people, if you look at the ratings of the president of russia vladimir putin, i am sure that we are talking about the territory of historical russia, which should be freed from those who think otherwise, we are talking about it is possible to liberate millions of people who live here, that is, we are talking about the struggle for the territory, this struggle has already acquired such a nature that it approaches the metaphysical. i only hope that russia will not have the strength to continue such a struggle. however, i am absolutely

sure that the mood of the russian people is such and that no less than 570 years will pass before there will be a generation in russia that will treat ukraine like poland or finland. and maybe that will never happen at all. therefore, we must prepare for further serious tests which can be much more serious than what happened these six months ago because the russians will retreat only when they do not have enough strength and we need to fight for ukraine's accession to nato because if this accession does not take place or if we do not receive real security guarantees from the united states and in other countries that have nuclear weapons, wars will be repeated until one of the subjects ceases to exist, either ukraine or the russian federation in its chauvinistic form and can stop the russians only the possibility of exchanging nuclear strikes

of a strategic nature, that is, if they know that their attack on ukraine can lead to the exchange of strategic strikes with nuclear weapons by the allied states, there are no other restrictions for the russian federation, including the use of tactical nuclear weapons against it , there are no tactical nuclear weapons this is the reality , so when is the conversation starting now. and what will we do with the population of those occupied territories in 2014 , and how will we develop the country after hostilities will end. i always tell you that these are absolutely people who live in a completely illusory world, because you and i do not know how to solve mathematical problems, we do not know the components, we do not know what the territory will look like, we do not know how many people will remain in this territory, all in all yes, but foreign-occupied territories are now also because we do not know, maybe a large part of the people who live in the occupied territory will simply leave it, about 3 million people have already left the

occupied territories, this departure will continue it is absolutely possible that we will not have problems with the population, but problems with the lack of population, and taking into account the fact that tens of millions of people will leave ukraine itself and a large number will not return , then we will have problems not with the population, but with the population settling a large part of ukrainian territories, and this is much more an actual problem than the problem of communicating with the phantom population that was washed into the cities. i just want us to understand all this very well, because it is nice to live in the world of the future, imagining this world like this as we want to imagine it, and the world of the future will not be as we want to imagine it, but as it will actually be, so i could tell you now if you were running for parliament, what if i wanted to be the leader of a political party there, a large-scale program of how to communicate with the population of the currently occupied regions, what should be the educational programs, what should

be the efforts from the point of view of media presence, by the way, this was done there, the tv channel, the house under this flag, was done by the current government and shock, as they say your fools helped you as they say the character of mykola gogol because putin was not going to join the dnr of the lpr in the so-called ukraine i was going to join ukraine to odesa of the dpr of the lpr do you remember how many conversations there were, i was also dragged into this senseless discussion and what do you say to do if putin pushes donetsk luhansk into ukraine, what will we do with the population of these regions, i always told you that no one will ever push anything and the territory where there is a boot of a russian soldier will remain russian forever or until the moment you will not drive him out of there by force, the russian soldier never leaves so easily, and you

noticed it. i think that during these six months, if there was no resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian invaders, they would now be standing near kiev, near chernihiv, near sumy, and they could not and would kill everywhere there they were raping peacefully. what kind of people were signed? so don't create problems for yourself that don't exist now. the problems of the ukrainian people are the first problem. the survival of the ukrainian state is the number one problem. the second problem is precisely survival of the ukrainian people, problem number two, the third problem, the problem of the re-ukrainian economy in the conditions of its deindustrialization and destroyed infrastructure, which is happening before our eyes and will continue to happen before our eyes for quite a long time, as long as these scoundrels have enough missiles, the fourth problem is the problem of settling the ukrainian territory after the end military actions and economic paradise will not come very quickly because

ukraine is a state on artificial respiration of other countries and when you are on artificial respiration you are not so you are developing rapidly. as you wanted, there is a certain time to start developing, i believe. by the way , after the end of hostilities, ukraine will get a chance for such development, when there may be a certain number of people who will number in the millions who will not want to wait 10-15 or 20 years of this recovery of the economy, who may want to live already today, i always said and said from 2014 to 2014 , but in 2014 i said that it has already begun, that in order to become an integral part of the european world, ukraine needs a fairly simple thing to start the reforms and to carry them out in 15-20 years, the reforms began in the 14th year, as far as they continued after 2019, i

will not even comment now, because these are topics for political discussions in any case, they did not go back those changes so we could calculate that in the 14th year we will need somewhere 20-25 years in order to complete these reforms and become members of the european family and in order for the generation of people with imperial thinking to change, he always said that another very important thing well, it consists in children were also born in 2007, those who went to school in 2014 roughly means that this is the year 2040, i said, now we need to add to this year 2040 the time of the war, how long it did not continue and a certain time for the recovery of the economy after military operations, let's take an optimistic scenario in five or six there are seven years, well, that is, until 2040, you add it's just mathematics, these 5-6 years are 2,000

plus an unknown time of the continuation of the hostilities themselves, so let's optimistically assume that it is from one to three years, in any case, we you are leaving on the optimistic scenario for 2050 let 's say that this is a pessimistic scenario and make it optimistic, let's make it 2040 - 2022 anyway, well, it's obvious that not all our compatriots will want to wait for 2022. should we participate in development when it comes to what is possible somewhere in europe to live today is also a reality these are the problems i propose to solve these problems until the end of hostilities concentrate just concentrate survive preserve multiply protect develop everything else

everything else has no meaning at all everything else is your attempt to escape from reality. to be honest, mr. romanovska, there is a conversation about adding odessa to the unesco heritage list if the city is included in the list. the monument that was in this place before the bolshevik coup of 2000 in 1917 and then was not found in any archives, but if we say the monument to catherine that stands in st. petersburg, this is a historical property and

catherine's monuments in odessa are a novelty that pleases the eyes of those who like such works of art. but this is not an original work. first , no one said that this monument should stand where it stands, but in some museum. space , that is, i absolutely do not believe that monuments should be demolished and destroyed, they should find their place in er spaces where they are architectural monuments and not historical political ones. by the way, this is much more than the monument to catherine really of the original building in kyiv, a monument to mykola shchors mykola shchors is an obvious cadet of ukraine, a collaborator, but this monument is a work of art that should find its place in the museum in the architectural space, but definitely not in the bosom of taras shevchenko mr. vitaly please comment on the russian rallies in the czech republic, viktor yaskiv asks, is this not the finalization of ukraine on the international

arena or is russian propaganda very strong there , first of all, you do not live in the soviet union, you live in a country whose opportunities are quite limited with from the point of view of the development of over-development in the international arena, secondly, you must understand that there are millions of people for whom electricity payments are much more important than the number of people who die in some foreign countries far from them during the war and that europe shows such solidarity with ukraine in these years this just speaks of the health of the ukrainian european society and not about its problems, but the fact that with the deterioration of the economic situation in european countries, the number of people who will say why do we have suffer because russians and ukrainians who have lived together for 300 years are now worried that their number will increase under the influence of russian propaganda, which will work for it, and there is no doubt . and what should we prepare for, because this is also another stage of those tests that we still have to

go through in the subsequent times of the russian war in ukraine, this war is in the midst of it, we just have to understand it. although many may think otherwise and in in this sense, i think that what we heard today and what i started our conversation with you is that the federal chancellor of germany olaf scholz refused to supply russian gas to germany already in december, this actually says much more about the european mood than -th demonstrations in the czech republic or in any other european country that will take place because the most important thing today is that they did not pay russia for energy carriers so that its economy began to be depleted because without the depletion of the russian economy, russia will fight in ukraine and in other former soviet republics for years until it wins this struggle for attrition, this is a struggle for attrition, one of the subjects must be exhausted and die. i simply believe that this subject must be the russian federation, but i know that tens of millions of russians

at the head with vladimir putin, they want ukraine to be the subject that got exhausted and died, and we have to win, and that's why we have to keep a cool head and understand the trials that we all have to go through. in the next assistant period, a the neptic and lunar period began on february 24, it will continue and we will continue to broadcast and the aval market will now present you with a news release of the last hour.