promising directions for the development of the ukrainian military, oleksandr i congratulate you , mr. serhiy vitaliyovych, and i will start with a question for you, mr. oleksandr, the ukrainian air force is now actively deterring the enemy, we are proud of the combat work of our pilots, but they are facing an enemy that has more modern aircraft and longer -range missiles, so downloaded first, i would like to hear from you a general assessment of what exactly we are currently fighting and why we need to replace our aircraft fleet, we are fighting with comparable platforms this is su-27 flender mig-29 sometimes 625 ground forces aviation or used to be called urban aviation or it is now air force helicopters no 24.8 russians also fight with derivatives of su-27-130 135th the same mig 29 we

somewhere modification next modification mig-29, which is also called mig 35, but you spent in the fact that if the metal and dynamics remained in the 70s, then the electronic equipment unfortunately for our aircraft, it remained mainly at the level at which the aircraft we received at the end of existence of the soviet union according to some modifications of the already modern navigation equipment, but this does not bring radical changes to this day, to this day, the war is essentially a war , battle management, not aircraft management, let's distinguish between two things: vehicle management, which the aircraft is also a vehicle, the transportation of weapons and battle management that is, the system, the network of central control, the combination of various e-e sensors with awax aircraft, or the source,

as they used to be called. we have them in russia, they are called that is, we have already moved from the concept of an actual combat unit, an aircraft, to a combat control system. what kind of aircraft is only one of the elements, all of this is combined with radio technical means, which are also much more mobile in russia and today even our western colleagues and friends pose a problem. therefore, we have to speak already so much about a separate aircraft and about the integration of the combat management system together with our western partners, because ukraine alone is large in terms of the territory of ukraine, but which opposes an armada with a fairly developed scientific and technical base with all the scientific and technical potential of the people during the time of the soviet union, everything that we could lend to the development of our western opponents at the time. together they are essentially very precisely electronic components and

weapons, you correctly said their long-range missiles almost came close to the parameters that the air force of the united states of america has today and on today it is recognized that, for example, the su-27, which is a derivative of the f-15, today’s reincarnation of the su-35 , is essentially comparable to the f-15i in terms of the radar complex and almost the same long-range missiles, that is, today, when we are talking purely about the capabilities, the capabilities of individual elements of air military space forces, what are they called, the air force of the space forces of the russian federation are comparable in many parameters to the air forces of the united states of america, the picture if you detach it is from the aircraft as such that i ask everyone to this and urges already let's go back to the system, but when we talk about the first steps, we still have to earn a bet

on the aircraft as an element of such a system, and sir, i wonder what public position the ministry of defense takes today when it comes to replacing existing aircraft with western -made aircraft. to replace the aircraft and in general the display fleet with new models was known long ago. assumes that we should have been at the level there in 2025 , the transition to new western fighters has already begun. this is due to the fact that since 1991, the ukrainian air force has not received a single combat aircraft in principle. that is, we have not replaced those mig-29 sus. 27 and su-25 and su-24, which are being used in the air defense system, and it is necessary to understand that the youngest of these aircraft, in principle, is already as old as ukraine, that is, for an aircraft, this is already such a difficult age, and in any case, they

were necessary to update and it was even fixed in the visa e-e, of course, among the possible ones options, we relied exclusively on western aircraft , and according to its hardware, one of the upgrade options was such aircraft as the fourth plus generation, which is in the 16th and, for example, at the beginning of the russian invasion of russia regarding the supply of western aircraft to ukraine as a class in principle then it was about the fact that, well, sometime in the spring, about the fact that the planes will not be delivered to us, now it is about the fact that the planes are in processing, well, this request is being processed. that is, we are actually, well, in principle, not limited in choosing this plane, but this process long, that is, they we must understand that even in the case of acceptance, nothing was given by their provision. they will not be handed over tomorrow, if the list of these machines in general, then uh, in view of the statement of the secretary of the us air force at the aspin conference, then hm, we are talking about any

plane 4 plus generation that is, f15 is f16 ff18th - gripen rafaliy european, just such a list, i.e. all aircraft of the fourth plus generation was announced by the pentagon as a possible candidate for strengthening the armed forces of ukraine, in principle, mr. oleksandr, when you managed the enterprise antonov, you took part in international tenders. and actually there, the customer announced the tender, announced the requirements for this or that aircraft, and the manufacturer had to adapt to these requirements or find some solution, so what is being learned that ukraine now actually has to understand the criteria for its own m- m of a promising aircraft, and the second is to announce a real tender, are there possibly other options for meeting operational needs, dictionaries, the optimal way today, well, it would be better for ukraine, i will immediately proceed to the conclusion let's separate the two issues. what i was doing in

antonov was aimed at durance. i personally understood why it was restrained, that we would reach a large-scale war. this has already been talked about specifically since the 15th year, here he directly dealt with the first meaning of the, let's say, the scientific and technical foundations of the re-equipment of the air force, and that is why, as of the 20th year, we came to the conclusion that one of these elements should be f -15 no one in the plan does not mind 16 and any other aircraft 18 especially emphasize 18 including why as 15 i also repeat that this is the father of the su-27 and all its current reincarnations su-35 as the last one directed by the thrust vector and in fact for now

returning to the question and what to do today, we need to divide the question into two, what we need to fight, what to fight today, this is not related to what we have after our victory . it is necessary to proceed only from what is available and what cannot be transferred and in this matter i absolutely support mr. oleg that the most widespread of the most massive western aircraft of the fourth generation of various modifications is of course in 16 let 's put it this way kalashnikov assault rifle if compared with storm troops f15 f 15- and - this is today's long-range sniper rifle with 2 km, which can be considered these, what is the f15, it is a powerful heavy weapon, the so-called offset, that is, which works from a long distance, works primarily on

ground targets retired by means of air defense, we will return to the kharma missiles and others, so i will sum up, we divide the question into two what will we find out today ? space exactly as a defense because as 15 is an offensive 16 is more of a defensive component and then talk about the future in the future antonov in high management positions and having an influence on the decisions of the regional industry, it is possible that the ministry of defense and the former should start with the added value that this project can give us, the goal is not only to get, to walk with an outstretched hand, to ask, give us, give

us something ready, and what will you ukrainians do yourself after 5 years, by the way, i congratulate everyone on the day of knowledge. because our knowledge is, first of all, the future of our children, grandchildren of our state, with a capital letter of the state, we must participate in the chains to the given value as the first such element do you remember there was a plane in that seven that was offered for assembly in anton not just to receive it as a gift as a tax you call it how exactly do you want to give us the opportunity to participate with brains and hands in this plane and also to arm it and it has already been said that those seeds considered so covertly considered as one of the contenders for a possible temporary one, we know that there is nothing more permanent than a temporary replacement exactly f16 because it combines the same unique characteristics, it is such a reduced copy f18 please look carefully 15th well f15 if

we were talking about x at that time yes, it is possible for us while the operations were ready to hand over the production of some components, part of the maintenance , of course, about the production of provocations in ukraine was found, that is, i, as a scientist, how exactly, an engineer is approximate to the design of production, fought for participation in the division of labor, dragged it to ukraine. i urge everyone who is currently involved in decision-making on the choice of this or that aircraft platform, first of all, think about how you will benefit from this their part of the job is that the planes all fly, they all fly well, because they are all over- developed according to the specification. they have approximately the same arsenal of weapons, it is also clear that i am a fraction of 16 and even those 15 f 15s are true again like special forces he has some specific tasks and specific weapons, but in principle, the standard set is the same, we are talking about only different ones. i

avoided mentioning the word combat all the time. well, today i will say, god knows, always say tactical radius, i will say combat radius, they are all different like this light aircraft of different classes are attached, the f16 is an average one. yes, the f-15 is a heavy or even super heavy aircraft, and what does this give them, they have different distances, combat radius and different weapons loads, that is, the f 15 for ukraine can be climbed from the west of which western point i i'm not saying that this is an airfield, you can't lift it from the airfield, they will immediately try to determine from some point where you can take off and get to the other extreme point diametrically opposite ukraine. work there and return intact and damaged back to the same the very western point with a large arsenal of weapons will not be able to do this. 16 it will have to work on smaller radii, and even less radii will work forts. here is such a set of data that i would

like to put through the brains of everyone, first of all, for the future, think about your participation of ukraine in to one or another project, well, india is sensibly yielding, offset is taking away almost 90% of the work for itself." well, first of all, you should just applaud the plasa because, well, the approach that has been voiced is the maximum

speed, well, about the maximum, it's simple, it's logical correct in general, in principle, the second aspect, if we are talking about the fact that we are really conducting a tender, then these are the same conditions, if we are looking at 20-30 years ahead, these are one condition, other conditions, when such conditions are needed now and the election situation is such that if some country simply offers any - which plane, even if the gripe does not want a euro fighter, even if the rafalt wants in 16, even though it is level eight, any of these planes, we will gladly accept them, even if they are right now, as turkey says, well, we have an f4 phantom, if you want , take it, we will take it and we will be extremely grateful ah ah regarding the aircraft that we really need right now. that is, we may be in a situation where we have to simultaneously solve two diametrically opposed tasks, the first is the acquisition of an extremely important advantage in the air thanks to the western aircraft, and this, of course, will only be exclusively as the 15th, which, especially if well take the modern version and that is, it is

just a universal car, which well, for the sake of understanding , it weighs the take-off weight there, if i am not mistaken , it is 36 tons, that is, it is three times heavier than the 16th for the flu, that is, for the sake of understanding, it is simple the air terminator is also developed, but it is necessary to take into account the fact that it is extremely expensive. that is, it is the most expensive plane and, in principle, not everyone in its country can afford it, that is, if you choose simply by operators, then if 15 of them are operated in general , more than 20 i in the 16th verse in most countries of the world, that is, you don’t have a man’s plane, there really is a kalashnikov assault rifle in the air, there are 25 countries ahead of 25 operator countries, so you are in the 15th of the operators, this is only the usa, israel, arabia, singapore, japan, and korea, that is, all countries, well, which ones, well, significantly prevail over in terms of economy and the ability to keep this plane in the air because one currency hour still costs, well, according to various sources, starting from 30,000 dollars, that is, it is an

extremely heavy aircraft from the point of view of maintenance, and it needs, well, an extremely expanded infrastructure on the ground in contrast it has, for example, the 16th, which was chosen by uh, 25 countries of the world, it soaked its elite time here, it costs well, according to various sources, on average, it is 8-12 thousand dollars , that is, it is much cheaper, but also its capabilities you also need to understand much less, so if you abstractly had the choice of renting planes there for a year, it’s simple, there is an opportunity to rent planes there for a month. well, probably on the moon , for example, for a year, then you need to type f 15 and because they will solve all the problems that can only be imagined. if we measure ourselves by the fact that this aircraft must solve problems now and then another one will be operated until the 20th, or until the 40th year of the abstract, then in my opinion the choice is really possible in the 16- and because all the neighbors around us, that is,

just poland, romania, bulgaria, turkey, they chose this particular plane, and this plane will definitely live for a very long time, because the order is from the idiots , the order for this plane until the 31st year is estimated at 1,100 machines for 1,400, this is already a solid contract for the us state on the export of these aircraft, of course i will ask you about the uniqueness of the use of the f-15 if there are any counterarguments to what oleg said, because really these arguments about the f-16 as the most optimal machine can be heard a lot from different offices. i think that somehow this is this approach. well, it is necessary to somehow dispel and show the possibilities of other options, which there is no contradiction. i actually said that to solve more simple routine problems

, a doctor of the f-16 class is needed. that in addition to the f-16, you cannot stop at only 16, and i also support the words of mr. oleg that today we need to ask, either with a green light or for military-technical assistance, to receive an f 15 aircraft in its current configuration for a while in order to resolve the issue with our south as soon as possible, i will not specifically name the places with our east where the special radio-technical and other means of our worst primordial enemy are located, which must be gotten rid of and the best thing will do it, and sometimes and only this can be done by the f-15i aircraft, which is today's i'm talking about this. i'm not saying that for the future we will remain as 15 and in service. i'm talking about the fact that

now, during this full-scale serious war, in which we essentially do not have air superiority , we have a partial ability to contain the air but there is no advantage, whether langes is self-sufficient, they allow themselves to say that we need an f15 plane, and in several pieces, as i said, and we need a large armada of f-16s, we don’t need the most modern, we need modifications, all of which will solve many of the issues in viber i did not ask they are never free on the market, now we are talking about the fact that we really do not have any surpluses, but they can be transferred from stocks, by the way, i supported the f18 plane that was considered and was not removed from the trip. the case is more optimal than a single-engine aircraft,

including even you know when i was accused by people who only look at the surface characteristics, but the f-15 is sorry, the f 16th is faster than the 2nd engine of the f18 , no, the cruising speed, the combat speed of the f18th exceeds the speed of the f16th i need a competent person to talk about certain characteristics. i have a question for oleg. how many countries have in their aircraft fleet, we can say two types of aircraft, conventionally speaking, f-15 f16, there are such countries. well, of course, that is , all countries that actually have 15 of them they use them exclusively for specific tasks . that is, it is not a so-called soldier plane. that is, all countries, for example, also from the same japan, well, in my opinion, it is better, but look at japan and the region, for example, countries that understand what they will oppose in the event of war to the enemy, which significantly

outweighs them in the air and on the ground. but in principle , that is, if you take them, then in japan, their version f16 f2 works together in the 15th year, if i am not mistaken, the name of this is the licensed version of the 16th year, in fact, it also works together in korea with the f-16 team if you take it that way then israel - operates both f-15 and f-16 at the same time, including localized versions, that is, a country that would actually have the 15th in its arsenal, and there is no such thing, even saudi arabia, having huge financial opportunities, simultaneously operates both f-15 and europeans when oleksandr talks about the fact that it is better to rent an f-15 for a short period of time, we are referring to an e-e plane, while to such a car where you all went, but of course we will say so, the question of pilot training arises, is this a serious challenge or something a time standard that would allow us to say that we

need a certain period of time to master the same f15 or f16-th, but you are probably the only one for you, the question p alexander will then comment like this, that is, there is simply public information that has been changed by the pentagon in general regarding the terms of preparation pilots, for example, on 16th-year airplanes, which can be considered much easier in my opinion in operation and whether the use of others in 16th no. already in 15th, and the standard training period consists of half a year, it includes separate and these conditions, the only thing about that the pilot already knows how to fly in principle, that is, he has already passed the necessary training, he is already a full-fledged cadet and he even knows how to use aircraft weapons. flight practice is carried out on average for 30 sorties, i.e. 30 days for each of the stages, i.e. flight training n- air combat

ground e-e a separate course for the destruction of ground objects and a separate training program for the breakthrough of air defense, all this stretches for six months, that is, for you to understand that even if we train the best pilots in our ukrainians, who have the most confidence because of real combat experience at the moment, then we will not be able to squeeze in this six-month course, for example up to a month, that is, we are talking about a minimum of several months, and if the course is standard, then even six months of training . oleksandr wanted to ask you in this vein, that is why it is better if we take a squadron of 12 fighters there, train 16 pilots, and then remember about the technicians and it seems that there should not be 16 technicians, but there should be 40. so, no less, and this means that now we have to mention to you the technicians who have a good command of the english language, know the procedure and so on, but it's a dead end, is it possible find a way out of this challenge,

no one. believe today, young people who speak english, by the way, who were technicians on the boyanets 737 a320 aircraft, who stood in line at the beginning of the war, let us go at 16. give number 15, they number hundreds. and no dozens are only a matter of organization, you know the joke . what in well, it is so distributed that the armed forces are all entered through the ground forces, sometimes curiosities happen, you just need to approach this issue correctly from an organizational point of view, you don't see any problems to prepare technicians to service western aircraft, moreover i will say that it is a funny situation. it is precisely because in civil aviation all the technicians are mainly english-speaking, because

we operated must yerbas and people have licenses to the highest levels to conduct ostriches and so on. that is, it is a difficult form of maintenance of engine maintenance. we also had and still have people who did not go anywhere. many of them serve in the armed forces, but not in the aviation specialties of the military-politician specialty . must also be taken into account when ordering this or that aircraft, but what is nice about the combination that you and i are talking about together with you, the f-16 was created as an addition to the auxiliary aircraft for the f-15, they are unified by engine, they are unified according to the weapons control system well, of course, as a platform, they differ, that is, all the equipment of the aircraft is different, it is unique and specific, now it creates a very big headache and a big headache for precisely the air forces of the united states

of america, they raised the issue of decommissioning the 16th and replacing it with something else easier and so on well, but for now it’s not about that, for now it’s about what exactly in ukraine right now it’s here that the combination of f 15 f16 from a logistical point of view is even more optimal and from the point of view of preparing technical i am saying that there is an advantage here, the training of pilots, you and i have heard different versions, rumors, hints , and so on that something was happening, something is happening . ukrainian territory, olezhe oleksandr mentioned the requirements for airfields, requirements for equipment, and so on. at one time, just a couple of weeks ago, the minister of defense

varshnikov said that what we are talking about is the f16, there are problems with airfields, but we have found a certain way out. what is meant by these statements of the minister of defense ? well, it really just exists in well, it seems to me that you in society were formed thanks to the successful, in fact , advertising company saba, such aspects and the idea that the gripin can be operated from highways and this is supposedly the only plane in general of the fourth ukrainian generation, which can be operated in such conditions, in fact, if we are honest and frank, then both the f-15 and the 16th, in general, any aircraft of the four plus generations can be operated from highways and these trainings are regularly held both in nato countries and in any other countries, for example there in singapore or taiwan. that is, all countries that operate western fighter jets, they can operate them in a similar way to the gripin, then here it is really quite

possible that it is a little easier, let's say so and operating conditions eh, but they are not individually critical, but there is a significant difference between the griffin, for example, another western aircraft, for example, even in fuel, because i will fine the information that green does not fly on standard aviation fuel intended for fighter jets a on jet one fuel for civilian aircraft and there were even certain problems with the compatibility of gripens during joint nato operations in one of the african countries. that is, there were such problems, and that is why, again, this is the case if in our somehow the airfields are not suitable for nato aviation, and for this we need a special aircraft, so it seems to me that this is a little different from the correct approach when we bring all the infrastructure up to nato standards. when any aircraft or

american or european should be operated on our lithuanians, that is, it seems to me that here it is necessary to look for not some specific option, but exclusively to find ways of unification with the entire aircraft fleet of nato countries, in principle... processes that are connected with the adoption of this or that decision that our state is going through there, well, regarding difficult issues, in particular, their refueling of antique airplanes, how long, according to your estimates, in fact, we will still have to wait until we receive the first western aircraft at our airport, if we approach this harshly, as at one time i managed to be involved in the process and ensure that a hard and fast decision was made, then from signing the relevant documents to the delivery, i everything i will still say that now we

need first of all i am still 15, since my 29 are still working and as a support you will not be able to work, then at 15 we will be able to receive today that we have september, well, in six months, in the middle of spring next year, which means that we already have to start ahead of the pilot training processes for both the f-16 and f-15, taking into account that there is an absolutely loyal attitude towards such a step on the part of the paid staff and even allocated to the finances of oleg. well, i think so. well, yes. of course there is such a possibility , that is, we are just talking about terms that, well, half a year is a huge term, of course, and now because we have, excuse me, well, it seems to me that we live in one day in three, that is, for us, a period of six months is, well, very far away and i wanted to get together

hope that abstractly tomorrow the usa is there