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marathon, the only news, rebuild the powder, let's launch, we will win, the bristles news together, we are strong, i congratulate it program cultural instinct for social culture my name is sofia chelyak and today i will talk to galka kruk, who is a literary critic, writer , poet and translator. galka is known all over the world. she was a participant in all festivals in ukraine and visited many ukrainian cities and towns. galka also performed in the east of our of the country since the beginning of 2014 and actually barks. hello , first of all, i will immediately start with a question. yes, as i already mentioned, you spoke a lot in the east after the start of the war in donetsk and luhansk regions, your man, he was a veteran of the ato, and actually you met there, having experience, having an understanding

of what war is, was it possible or was it easier to prepare for a full-scale invasion, eh, i had a better idea of ​​what is happening in the east, what it looks like up close. it was shocking. i understand that one of the first times in the 15th year, when i returned from such a long, long trip, uh, in fact, on the demarcation line, we had performances there at about ten different points, uh, some points were completely like the republic the bridge or in the end all those that are now appearing in the news. as the places of the worst such shelling, these were mostly places where we spoke in front of the military who were just passing through the combat and had the opportunity to listen to us there. volunteer, let's say something not only for the soul, but accordingly,

some vitamins, some, accordingly, such hygiene products that were needed at that time, some, let 's say, the requests were very different. is happening now and applies to all other coaches of ukraine, this is a completely different thing, i understood that one way or another this war will simply not evaporate , it will not disappear in any way, one way or another it will come to some such well, an exacerbation, i was afraid, on the contrary, that we would be forced to settle on such unfavorable terms but uh, there is one more such moment that worried me even when i returned from one of the first trips, that the country basically lived as if the war had not happened. and i was terribly surprised by the fact that the

majority of people who did not have relatives there no one died there, in which no one fought, i simply did not take this war into account, and now that we are in such a situation of equalizing this experience, of course, this experience did not make anyone happy with us. but we did not choose this war, as it was imposed on us by which came to us, respectively, we only had the option to defend ourselves. and i understand that uh, in this situation we live, it's just an important moment to live day by day, what are all the challenges that this war brings. i grasp the phrase tell me which one you voiced please, how different are the feelings from when you are conditionally close to shelling hundreds of

kilometers from your home and with those feelings when you are in your own home and actually a couple of kilometers from your house, maybe a couple of meters from an anti-aircraft missile, i'm having a hard time compare i don't know this feeling when something accordingly happens at all when the war is very close to your home i just understood even from that time e that war leaves no possibility to be er let's say stand aside er be er not choose any side that is when something explodes right next to your house when you feel that it might fly and on your head , in fact, a colossal change takes place with a person with her er, let's say what she values ​​in the first place. and for example, i really understand people who immediately in the first days threatened, they left and took the children to a safe place because this is the area of ​​their

first responsibility, actually . in such places that your children will not become victims of even a random projectile that explodes, will not reach where it is intended, or will fly somewhere , and accordingly, the war leaves no other option , or does it change a lot when it happens, when you know that it is happening somewhere, it is completely, completely different feeling because you don't seem to see it visually, but since most of us are empathetic to the pain of other people, the experiences of other people, these are all the shots. and here it must be said that this war is actually happening live, so that is, we are talking about all this

we can learn very quickly, we can see all this as it happens with all the full deployment of e-e in the process even when it flies directly to the camera e and this situation it gives us a lot of this not even necessarily n- lived experience when they arrive your yard but you feel as if she flew into your yard too. i also want to cling to one more phrase that you said about the fact that you were afraid that our territories would be given in languages ​​that are not beneficial to us. that is, it can be interpreted this is your warning about cooperation and contacts with russia. well, in fact, we had this experience, we had these minsk agreements, which accordingly prohibited the shooting of certain types of weapons in ukraine, and this led to a situation that, for

several years, ukrainian fighters stood at these positions as objects that could be flown in, but accordingly they could not shoot back in the same way. with certain types of weapons, in fact, cautions and generally such things. do you remember we talked some time ago, we talked about all these red lines that can not be crossed which we will all carefully monitor that these lines are not crossed in fact there was no proper reaction to the actions of russia, they led to what we have now, that is, we can say that this is such a constant heating of the situation, which actually ended in such a full-length full-

length war, and i constantly have this inner caution, that is, i understand that the moment giving up and the moment of weakness and the moment of such positional negotiations, which can be the same politics and the world, too, it may suddenly become profitable to reconcile the world food crisis for each of the ukrainian territories, so and accordingly, and there may be all kinds of doubtful moments, how to force ukraine to this bad peace instead of this, let's say a war that threatens not only ukraine, but this is a constant balancing act and being in such a very sensitive state, it is in a state of constant attention to the situation. it seems to me that this is an important point now, about the red lines, for example, since the beginning of your career, you have been actively traveling, you attend festivals in asia, europe, yes,

as i mentioned, you have been to almost all festivals in ukraine, and accordingly, it is possible to miss what you have before 2014, there were many contacts, many acquaintances, in particular in russia. but after the start of the war in 2014, you completely stopped publishing, translating, and speaking in russia. why, well, i already had enough even before the 14th year, uh, i felt this moment such tension, let's say uh, because somehow it happened even at the few festivals where i was in russia, uh, this is always a question, a ukrainian question . you know the russian language normally, why are you

showing off? and you write in ukrainian, that is, this is the moment when a person relaxes and stops filtering his political correctness, that is, very often digging deeper into this, let's say, ukrainian-russian relations, it was possible even then to be inspired by all kinds of such doubtful moments that eventually gave a sign that this later can in a certain way this gun which hangs somewhere in the background that sooner or later can shoot i really stopped most of the contacts i understand that now this is the only correct tactic, because there are moments, i think there is still a moment of collective responsibility, one way or another, the writers are responsible for what is happening in the video logical sphere of this or that country, that is, they are responsible for all kinds of processes that

become the quintessence of literature formed by literature. if literature is written here, let's say, the court is written, it is an export, and it is beautiful and democratic and something else, and for internal needs it either does not function or is afraid to say no there are some other important moments than this is accepted in russian society, yes, well, this literature is probably not worth the attention it has in the world, this is my point of view . the process of war and so on we are going through a lot of, let's say, trials in order to keep track of which of the russian authors expressed what the whole pen was with whom and who appeared with whom in some joint photos. that is, we can never track whether this or that author

is at this moment expressed support for ukraine, did he, let's say, 10 days ago, not receive any award there from the hands of putin or someone else, that is, it was never understood, the only option is to really boycott culture, because i often tell my foreign colleagues at that moment when you give the floor to a russian author who, accordingly, tries to say something about russia in this context, you take away the floor of a ukrainian author who, as we know, the majority of ukrainian authors immediately accepted this thesis that we do not speak on the same platforms with russian authors, at least in wartime. ok, but on the other hand, before the beginning of the mandatory large-scale invasion, there were cases when ukrainians spoke in russia or sold their products in russia. was active in russia, and there were translations

of ukrainian children's books, so let's say a translation of agrafoks, and in your opinion, were these works identified in principle with ukraine as an independent state, or were they part of some brothers of our minority type of perception and culture it's hard for me to say about these specific examples because i haven't followed them. i just know that, for example, certain ukrainian authors were published somewhere in russian magazines in the same section where they used to be often before representatives of the fraternal republics were published. that is, it is the friendship of peoples, and this, accordingly, it is actually in this friendship of peoples, it was never published in foreign literature. that is, it mostly did not deserve the classification that it is, for example, a work of foreign literature, and this is friendship

of peoples, it is our friendly some brothers are smaller, most likely, that is, in fact, i do not want to fit everything under one line in russia, of course, and then there are, let's say, some publications that were not quite fed by official sources, so that were positioned as e to to a certain extent, this issue is oppositional, at the moment it has been removed since the very beginning of the war. i know that some time ago, somewhere on one of the central russian sites where you from the libraries where various translations are posted, translations of my texts were also posted, and there was such a text about a chechen suicide bomber who lost the role of a mother under a good russian boot, that is, it hung there for a while as a protest text, but with the beginning of the war, it was simply taken away, that is, it performed some kind

of function instead. i understand that the majority of this cooperation is what it was ethical to stop it as early as the 14th year , that is, the authors who stuck with it were published somewhere in parallel and during that time, starting from the 14th until the 22nd, it still seemed to me wrong let's say by trying to sit on two chairs, and it seems to me that these issues should have been raised much earlier. they arose from time to time when someone wanted to spoil someone's blood, yes, but it was not a systemic issue. and how should it be resolved systematically, in your opinion, it is worth it to me it was the same to do it myself, as it is now, over time, when such a full format war began, it was necessary to do it also with such an ethical boycott. that is, i do not

know how or whether it could be done, because in fact there are already a lot of problems that started from that that we did not have an anti-terrorist operation , so if we are not in a state of war, should we demand from certain, well, from some people, to solve this issue more acutely, that is, these are all such issues that went into a complex and it was very difficult to do it in another way this is the war here the part of the war that began on february 24, it so clearly cut off everything that dragged on that could be somehow ours and yours. i also remember that you talked about uh, russian texts that are written for export and that remain in the country. yes , but i have personal story and i want to develop

it using the example of ukraine let's say. invasion, he began to paint huge canvases, these are somewhere two by three meters, these are the bodies of people who, uh, are riddled with debris, these are the bodies of tortured people, these are people who are collecting water, and somewhere on the horizon, on the field, tanks are fighting, i look at these paintings i understand that these paintings cannot be shown in the country yet, because they are so retraumatizing. yes, but instead, these paintings must be taken abroad, they must be shown in the largest galleries. that is, we are now approaching the moment when some part of things in ukraine will inflict a new trauma, are you observing such a phenomenon in ukraine and what do you think, what should we do with

this situation from afar ? which i had about the war and what kind of projects we did, such a primer project we did with yurk efremov from kharkiv, they basically did not find their readers, that is, it is not that they did not find and in general, at the level of literary infrastructure, the topic did not seem interesting, it was not commercial unequivocally within the borders of ukraine, yes within the borders of ukraine, it seemed that the war was enough for all of us anyway, and accordingly i found myself in such a situation, i remember, where i did not know whether to affect or to publish these texts somewhere other than to myself on facebook, or to simply limit them somewhere when after february 24,

in fact, when we all became witnesses of all these events, i realized that this book, which is a pity that it was not published then, because now it would be very good to illustrate everything that is happening in ukraine, and what to do with the facts of such art which immediately reflects this action, which does not make sense at the moment, but fixes. because we are still at the stage of fixation, documentation, fixation, er, such art can really traumatize. that is, we are not yet even at the moment of retromatization, we are still traumatized. that is, we will still receive it as an extended such a trauma stretched out in time e outside e-e i noticed since the beginning of the war that a lot of things have to be explained, i.e. our e-e our

sufferings e our injuries are sometimes given out interpreter i.e. they are in that state- in that in therefore, spaces where a person simply feels that she has not experienced this, she feels that she is being used emotionally, that she is such and such a term of emotional service, so that they are trying to impose some kind of emotion that she does not want to experience , that is, we are currently looking here with these injuries of ours there is a very fine line uh, accordingly, because this perception and the ability to accept uh, this whole tragic situation of our um, this ability is limited in time, first of all, some time will come and the interest, the moment of interest will disappear, and this ability is limited in uh let's say in the ability to perceive and sympathize in general. that is, it turns out that i encountered

such a sometimes even interesting reaction abroad that it is easier for people abroad to understand the suffering of russians from sanctions, it is easier to understand how you, oh, how unnatural it is when you are restricted there it is possible in the store. so, whether to pay with a card or go to mcdonald's or, accordingly, something more familiar than to understand what it's like to sit for a month in the future. and for example, what it's like to be shot in your own car or what it's like, well, not to mention more terrible things yes, about all these rapes and all the rest, that is, the limit of what the human psyche can allow in a non -endangered state is very small, let's say, and we are mostly beyond this limit. with our problems, we have to explain a lot and we are doing very difficult work those who somewhere abroad are trying to talk about it because it is actually difficult to talk, it is difficult to

explain such things that are self-evident to us and we would like to simply not explain in this place but send after the russian ship. i have to patiently explain why this is not the case, why it is not the case, and accordingly, this is a moment that i constantly observe when i am abroad. and please tell me at what levels they need to touch on certain topics, but for example, if we have a situation, what should we talk about to foreigners and what things they perceive best and are the first to perceive, well, it is clear that one of the first things is human choice, that is, european civilization is built in this way and about this one functions in such a way that we perceive everything through the humanistic prism, i.e. the human dimension, man is the dimension of all this, and instead of

speaking in dry numbers, let's say how many places were destroyed or how many museums were damaged, or conventionally speaking, what weapons are there and what do we have, and how much equipment was destroyed, how much is there something better to talk about the suffering of people, that is, how many people suffered, how many people were forcibly taken to russia , how many were injured, how many, that is, because of these human tragedies, these stories are told by human voices, we can find this understanding because uh actually, this purely military aspect is working against ukraine. that is, it is an interesting and new narrative that i have noticed recently. when the event tries to predict the situation of the war, that is, the situation of the victory of ukraine not in this war, and the event is based on those positive news that in we

are accepted so that the internal audience does not break down like this from negative news in the west, they listen to this news, it seems to them that this is a victory, especially if these people who do not analyze as experts are some kind of military, so are they in general they look at the situation like this and they begin to think that if ukraine provides all these weapons, then we will become aggressive militarily and accordingly , we, we, we will begin to conquer this russia and end up with the fact that we will have to somehow moderate this uh wild ukraine and which, according to which, it is not yet clear what to expect in general, and this is a new narrative that leads to the fact that i had to recently when we were in the states, actually, with such a responsible delegation and with many meetings there and in the senates, congresses and in the biden administration i had to meet with such an opinion that it is already

possible because ukraine is strong and since ukraine supports me, it is possible to start feeling sorry for russia because russia will be bad, that is, the fact that it is already bad in ukraine now that we are actually facing such sacrifices that are not voiced externally and these are big victims. so we have a lot of casualties, both among civilians and among military personnel. i think it's time to at least talk about these losses. it's time to talk about real situations, not just in numbers. damaged material property, but also in the human dimension, because it is only this dimension that gives an idea of ​​what we are going through. thank

you . you are trying to convey to them in the right words what we all feel, in particular. thanks to you, i understand that ukraine will receive more support and better understanding. so i will remind you that galka kruk was with us today. galka kruk is a ukrainian poetess a writer as well as a literary critic, a translator but who became an active participant in the information front, stay with us, stay with us, social culture is a cultural instinct and we go to victory, we will prevail, we will pass on, we will win the news together, we are strong ukrainian rescuers, they are dismantling multi-ton rubble in injured cities, between villages, they are doing everything possible and it is impossible for a renewed, prosperous and happy ukraine to emerge from fire and pain,

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